[Guybrush Threepwood]

The car buying scheme is not a true handicap. You can still just choose what car you buy. And then there's the same arguments about the car value.

I could argue it's a much better, self-regulating handicap system.  Not a true handicap in the sense that it's not a ballast, indeed. It's just cars.
The ONLY argument is the car value & the earnings - and that is also the fine-tuning, that can be changed even mid-season without devastating effects

Why don't you "take the bull by the horn" Bird, and put together exactly how it would work - money for each position, car costs, rounds, etc?  This would make it easier for everyone to look at and would save Wally having to figure it all out.

It seems like a good idea, but just need to get it off the ground.

[Wally]

LOL, my bias is showing... I never really liked the car rental system in the past, because it meant I had to THINK about what car to rent each round. But that's not to rule it out.

[marty]

My mission is to include every car in one season or another! Different strokes for different folks.

We've only had the car handicap discussion in one season out of 6 so far, nudge, nudge.

Haven't we ran the handicap method in 2 out of 6 seasons, the Beamers vs Lotii and the GT season? was there not discussion before this and is there not discussion again. 

I'm pretty sure Bird has made mention of the car buying scheme before most seasons, I think at some point we will need to give this a go. He can do all the planning for it as he seems to have the best idea of how it will work. Is it using real money and does he get a commission is all I want to know.

[Matthew111]

Maybe just pick a specific class GT3 or GT2 keep it simple let the fia create the parity haha or just go the hypers as marty said we just came off a handicap gt season.

[Perch]

With the GT cars, would it not be better to base the pecking order of cars and assign the handicaps/boosts relative to where the next race is? Although the average times may lay the cars out in that order, it seems a reasonable possibility given the broad variety of cars that someone could be assigned a faster/slower car for race 2 given their results in race 1 only to find that that particular car is at an advantage/disadvantage at race 2 resulting is a boost/handicap that would, in the end, not help to promote closer racing. Just my 2 cents.

[Wally]

Maybe just pick a specific class GT3 or GT2 keep it simple let the fia create the parity haha or just go the hypers as marty said we just came off a handicap gt season.

This wasn't a handicap season. This was a ”drive a car you enjoy” season, your choice. There was no handicapping. We could do a GT season one day, but this time, it's hypercars.

[Wally]

With the GT cars, would it not be better to base the pecking order of cars and assign the handicaps/boosts relative to where the next race is? Although the average times may lay the cars out in that order, it seems a reasonable possibility given the broad variety of cars that someone could be assigned a faster/slower car for race 2 given their results in race 1 only to find that that particular car is at an advantage/disadvantage at race 2 resulting is a boost/handicap that would, in the end, not help to promote closer racing. Just my 2 cents.

That's a possibility, to rank the cars according to the next track, and something I looked at last time we had a handicapped season. It was all a bit too hard back then, but now that I've automated ranking the cars, it's much easier.

[marty]

Maybe just pick a specific class GT3 or GT2 keep it simple let the fia create the parity haha or just go the hypers as marty said we just came off a handicap gt season.

This wasn't a handicap season. This was a ”drive a car you enjoy” season, your choice. There was no handicapping. We could do a GT season one day, but this time, it's hypercars.

I think he meant a few seasons ago what was it season 3 that was gt handicap I think, the one after the street car handicaps but maybe something was inbetween them.

[Bird]

Why don't you "take the bull by the horn" Bird, and put together exactly how it would work - money for each position, car costs, rounds, etc?  This would make it easier for everyone to look at and would save Wally having to figure it all out.

It seems like a good idea, but just need to get it off the ground.

Few reasons.
Because there wasn't / isn't any real enthusiasm towards it.  I've set it up last time - it's still standing, minus the cars & earnings of course.  And people had a looksie and we have stopped there.
But Wally's dislike explains it I guess

Also; because the result parser has been built for GTL, works on simbin titles, it'll have to be re-written for AC.  I'm actually wondering if we could connect into stracker directly and avoid the need to donwload/upload result files. I'd also like to whip up a cfg generator for it, so the admin can simply download the grid. (because the cars for most racers will change week to week )

Especially tricky is to set up the balance (car prices and the earnings & points per position).
It's a simple & flexible system, you can do nearly any sort of balancing with it. But it has to be thought through.

All this is lot of work to throw out on the window if in the end we won't use it

I'm going to think about how/what to do with it.  I think one way about it could be to have a consortium of a few people calling the car prices and earnings. 

I'm wondering who here would like to help me out, though? (not coding, just helping out with the balanced setup)

Also the site could use a bit of design-loving and I suck at that.   Maybe we can ask Dick to help?  We'd have some lovely pink site I'm sure...

And of course I'd like to know if Wally is willing to give us a go in a season at some point

[rob]

Thanks Wally, I've voted but of course the majority rules so I will be happy with either race format.

We also have the Thursday Fun Run (which I have actually enjoyed more than the "real" Tuesday action) so we have a range of fast/competitive and slower/fun Series. Something there for everybody.

The way I see it you are trying to give all the cars a run which is a really good idea. There are still some cars in AC that I have NEVER driven!! The Seasons are short so if anybody doesn't like the format in 6 weeks we start all over again. No big deal.

Thanks for all the effort you put in to keep us racing.

rob

[Wally]

Why don't you "take the bull by the horn" Bird, and put together exactly how it would work - money for each position, car costs, rounds, etc?  This would make it easier for everyone to look at and would save Wally having to figure it all out.

It seems like a good idea, but just need to get it off the ground.

Few reasons.
Because there wasn't / isn't any real enthusiasm towards it.  I've set it up last time - it's still standing, minus the cars & earnings of course.  And people had a looksie and we have stopped there.
But Wally's dislike explains it I guess

Also; because the result parser has been built for GTL, works on simbin titles, it'll have to be re-written for AC.  I'm actually wondering if we could connect into stracker directly and avoid the need to donwload/upload result files. I'd also like to whip up a cfg generator for it, so the admin can simply download the grid. (because the cars for most racers will change week to week )

Especially tricky is to set up the balance (car prices and the earnings & points per position).
It's a simple & flexible system, you can do nearly any sort of balancing with it. But it has to be thought through.

All this is lot of work to throw out on the window if in the end we won't use it

I'm going to think about how/what to do with it.  I think one way about it could be to have a consortium of a few people calling the car prices and earnings. 

I'm wondering who here would like to help me out, though? (not coding, just helping out with the balanced setup)

Also the site could use a bit of design-loving and I suck at that.   Maybe we can ask Dick to help?  We'd have some lovely pink site I'm sure...

And of course I'd like to know if Wally is willing to give us a go in a season at some point

Sure, I'm all for variety. I'd like to give it a go some time. The car ranking I have developed from the top 5% RSR lap times is the best indicator of the relative performance of the cars, based on real world data. That would be the place to start to assign values to the cars.

[Guybrush Threepwood]

I'm sure Wally could give it a run for at least 1 season?  I'll do the "renting" for him... I know he loves the Robin.

I'd be happy to help out Bird in any way I could.  I don't have any coding experience, but I am willing to do the donkey work... as long as it doesn't involved being milked and/or shaven.  If that's what they still do with Donkeys these days...  Mary-Ann?

[Matthew111]

Maybe just pick a specific class GT3 or GT2 keep it simple let the fia create the parity haha or just go the hypers as marty said we just came off a handicap gt season.

This wasn't a handicap season. This was a ”drive a car you enjoy” season, your choice. There was no handicapping. We could do a GT season one day, but this time, it's hypercars.

I think he meant a few seasons ago what was it season 3 that was gt handicap I think, the one after the street car handicaps but maybe something was inbetween them.

Yeah season 4

[StanDaam]

Some one say...

[Wally]

I don't mind giving the car rental system a try, but in all honesty, it's not all that different to the handicap system. The end result is that the better you do, the slower car you drive. It's a slightly more complicated way to get to the same result.