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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on October 19, 2014, 12:51:40 PM
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Fellas, I'm after best lap data, using the 1.0 RC, for the following cars, for season 4 parity:
BMW M3 GT2
Ferrari 458 GT2
Mclaren MP4-12C GT3
BMW Z4 GT3
P4/5
Merc SLS GT3
Lotus Evora GTC
Lotus Evora GX
If you can, what I need is for you to use the default setup (changing gearing only and using SOFT tyres), 30L fuel. Give me your PBs at the same track (optimum grip), so I can start to gather data on relative car performance. There's not enough data on RSR with the 1.0 RC yet.
Depending on how the splits work out, I'll choose 3 or 4 of these cars only.
For example, at Mugello, I have (in seconds):
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Would it not be better to give times with a good tuned setup for each car on the track this will show more each cars potential.
I can set a server in that for people to run on, for some reason the logs arent working for me when running multiple servers the way I am doing them. Its creating the log files but they are empty which I havent looked into figuring out why.
You may also want to consider the evora gtc and 2 eleven gt4. Though the gt4 only has semi slicks with the gtc running tyres similar to gt3.
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Would it not be better to give times with a good tuned setup for each car on the track this will show more each cars potential.
I can set a server in that for people to run on, for some reason the logs arent working for me when running multiple servers the way I am doing them. Its creating the log files but they are empty which I havent looked into figuring out why.
You may also want to consider the evora gtc and 2 eleven gt4. Though the gt4 only has semi slicks with the gtc running tyres similar to gt3.
Everyone sets up cars differently, to different effect. I just want a baseline, with less variables.
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Cool. I'll let you know my PB's.
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Mid-ohio, doing 5 laps with each car, on default set but soft tyres. I've only changed the gearing to one lower on a couple that was set to 320+ top speed.
(btw we should put this track into the circulation, there's nothing wrong with it, and it's more accurate than for example Brands Hatch...)
M3 GT2 - 1:19:735
Ferrari 458 GT2 - 1:19.392
Mclaren MP4-12C GT3 - 1:20.997
BMW Z4 GT3 - 1:21.249
P4/5 - 1:20.722 - probably the easiest to drive
Merc SLS GT3 - 1:20.299 - probably the hardest to drive
Interesting to note, that the Beemers both have a somewhat understeery base set, the p4/5 is completely neutral, the fezza, mclaren & Merc are a bit oversteery or at least happy to step out here and there. So there's that, too.
I've also drive the cars in this order, only went back to the first car for 2 more laps near the end to make it a fairer comparison (you learn the track in after a few laps) - and shaved off .5 sec.
There's probably a lot more in it, too, for each car...I could see a couple of WR's on RSR, a couple of them are a good 3s faster than my time :)
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The good version of Brands Hatch is almost spot-on to me Bird.
Here's a comparison for you:
Open this video and go to 3:22 in the video:
[youtube]jcLjbbiTzww[/youtube]
Open this video and then play them both side by side:
[youtube]ahYBmQiFe_A[/youtube]
The AC version is not exactly the same, but as close as you are going to get without laser-scanning.
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The thing is videos never give me the full picture. I've driven the laser scanned version in iR a few times and it just feels different.
But maybe we've drive the wrong version the other night?
Still, it's a fun track. But mid-ohio is also very good. :)
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Thanks bird, exactly what I'm after.
I found the Ferrari a bullet, the McLaren tricky (rear end snappy) and the Merc a boat.
I also went back to the first car, because you do go quicker.
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As per Marty's suggestion, I've added the Lotus Evora GTC and GX, which will probably end up being the slowest cars (but very neutral and easy).
I want to stick to GT type tintops.
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Let me rephrase my last sentence though...it's not just that there's a lot more for each car; it's that some feels like I can't really get near their limit due to the difficult, or not-for-me handling. I mean the beemers (especially the gt2) feel like a joy to drive for one or two laps, but then you start to push it and you realise that they are pigs - just want to understeer wide all the time :)
There's the ferrari, too; it requires a very light touch, very measured throttle input, otherwise it bites. I'm sure it'd take time to learn it.
And from the other side the p4/5 - you can man-handle it as much as you want and it just goes where you point it. Absolutely amazing.
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I'll assume you're after sober results, so I'll keep my drunken one's to myself. :-X
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I'll assume you're after sober results, so I'll keep my drunken one's to myself. :-X
Hey man, if I can forego a cider to post sober laptimes, so can you ;)
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I'll post these here now so I don't forget. Default setups with change to fuel, tyres and gears. Track was Spa.
Ferrari 458 GT: 2.16.7
BMW M3 GT: 2.17.3
Mercedes GT: 2.18.0
McLaren GT: 2.18.2
Comp P4/5: 2.19.3
BMW Z4 GT: 2.19.5
Evora GTC: 2.20.5
Evora GX: 2.20.6
I'll update it as I run some more.
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Thanks GT.
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Actually, it would be good if everyone who did this did the Ferrari first, because that's the baseline fastest car at this point. Then I can compare your times relative to the Ferrari.
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I'll post these here now so I don't forget. Default setups with change to fuel, tyres and gears. Track was Spa.
Mercedes GT: 2.18.0
McLaren GT: 2.18.2
BMW Z4 GT: 2.19.5
BMW M3 GT: 2.17.3
Ferrari 458 GT: 2.16.7
P4/5: 2.19.3
I'll update it as I run some more.
Yeah, these are about the times i did too wally
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Finished.
I tried the Lotus 2-11 GT4 and it's a pig. I didn't even finish my outlap, but I reckon it's be lucky to do Spa in under 2.35.0
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Finished.
I tried the Lotus 2-11 GT4 and it's a pig. I didn't even finish my outlap, but I reckon it's be lucky to do Spa in under 2.35.0
So we've found your car for the next season, then ?
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My times for Imola with settings set as requested..
BMW M3 GT2 110.2 seconds
Ferrari 458 GT2 107.6 "
Mc Claren 12CGT3 112.4 "
BMW Z4 GT3 111.0 "
P 4/5 110.1 "
Merc SLS GT3 109.3 "
Lotus Evora GTC 111.4 "
Lotus Evora GX 112.7 "
Cheers Dave O.
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I'll post these here now so I don't forget. Default setups with change to fuel, tyres and gears. Track was Spa.
Mercedes GT: 2.18.0
McLaren GT: 2.18.2
BMW Z4 GT: 2.19.5
BMW M3 GT: 2.17.3
Ferrari 458 GT: 2.16.7
P4/5: 2.19.3
I'll update it as I run some more.
Yeah, these are about the times i did too wally
I always wondered why I've never heard both of you guys talking at the same time. Dick = GT?
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Thanks Dave O.
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Blackwood track ONLY 3-4 LAPS
Ferrari 458 GT2-1:12.7
BMW GT2 -1:14.9
Mc Laren -1.13.7
BMW Z4 GT3 -1:13.7
P4/5 -1.13.7
Merc SLS GT3 -1:13.5
Lotus evora GTC -1:13.6
Lotus evora GX -1:14.3
Lotus GTC has been the funniest
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Times are all amazingly even between cars that feel quite different.
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ok i'm on holidays so I will throw down some genuine laps. With genuine times.. Not like Simone's very suspicious times ;D or he is just very good at doing 1.13.7s
My prediction for the day..
I should be 2-4 seconds off Guybrush. I'll say 4 seconds as I'll do my laps at Spa and I haven't had any coaching so I'll be a bit slower. Marty & Guybrush can usually find 2 seconds for me straight up. I just need to nail it down.
Most importantly, I need to know which cars to skin! and do we want a theme?
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If you can do laps a mere 4s off guybrush at Spa, then you're not a slow driver by a long shot, IMO. :)
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If you can do laps a mere 4s off guybrush at Spa, then you're not a slow driver by a long shot, IMO. :)
You're right Bird. My ego wrote a cheque my skills cant cash..
I forgot to take into account how bad I am and how good GB is. I'm 8 seconds off. Could knock a second off no worries. I'm making a mess of the last chicane.*
at Spa:
ferrari 458 GT2 2:24.689
* That's the most obvious spot I'm messing up.. clearly I'm not much better at the rest of the circuit either.
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Finished.
I tried the Lotus 2-11 GT4 and it's a pig. I didn't even finish my outlap, but I reckon it's be lucky to do Spa in under 2.35.0
I havent been under 2.35 in any gt car yet so lets hope the kitty skin isnt far away for you Guybrush maybe also do one up for the robbin. I wonder of Dick has the abilities to add a wing to that robbin gt for you it sure needs a bit more drag.
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***UPDATED***
Track=Mugello; everything standard, even gears which impacts the Lotus's @Mugello.
Ferrari 458 GT2 1:47.453
BMW M3 GT2 1:47.895
Mclaren MP4-12C GT3 1:50.656
BMW Z4 GT3 1:49.789
P4/5 1:48.826
Merc SLS GT3 1:50.035
Lotus Evora GTC 1:50.303
Lotus Evora GX 1:51.118
I really struggled with the Mclaren. I really nailed the lap and still only did 1:50.9!
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IMPORTANT!
Keep an eye on the tyres, Gratulin! (and others) Some cars have mediums as default, not softs!
The gearing can throw it out in a big way, too. It's easy to fix, just change the overall ratio on those one or two that has 300km/h+ top speed to the shorter one, to match the others at around 280km/h top
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OK. I'll check and update where necessary.
Man! This is like back at school with all this homework :D
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IMPORTANT!
Keep an eye on the tyres, Gratulin! (and others) Some cars have mediums as default, not softs!
The gearing can throw it out in a big way, too. It's easy to fix, just change the overall ratio on those one or two that has 300km/h+ top speed to the shorter one, to match the others at around 280km/h top
IMPORTANT!
Any times under 2:35 will cause Marty to rage crash his servers, bitch about it on TS to anyone who is listening and change his SLI settings. :o
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If you can do laps a mere 4s off guybrush at Spa, then you're not a slow driver by a long shot, IMO. :)
You're right Bird. My ego wrote a cheque my skills cant cash..
I forgot to take into account how bad I am and how good GB is. I'm 8 seconds off. Could knock a second off no worries. I'm making a mess of the last chicane.*
at Spa:
ferrari 458 GT2 2:24.689
* That's the most obvious spot I'm messing up.. clearly I'm not much better at the rest of the circuit either.
The important thing to remember is to take off the handbrake.
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If you can do laps a mere 4s off guybrush at Spa, then you're not a slow driver by a long shot, IMO. :)
You're right Bird. My ego wrote a cheque my skills cant cash..
I forgot to take into account how bad I am and how good GB is. I'm 8 seconds off. Could knock a second off no worries. I'm making a mess of the last chicane.*
at Spa:
ferrari 458 GT2 2:24.689
* That's the most obvious spot I'm messing up.. clearly I'm not much better at the rest of the circuit either.
The important thing to remember is to take off the handbrake.
... right.. got it.
where is the handbrake?
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funny but you can have a handbrake - there's a button for it, and then you can buy one of these:
http://www.fanatec.com/us-en/sim-racing-hardware/clubsport-handbrake-us.html
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Love the Mclaren,
It does feel absent though. but I think it's because it's 100% drive-by-wire yeah? Not sure how many others are?
It has lots of aids though Marty. watch out. But the all work well. For a scrub like me.
But slow MP4-GT 2:26.653 after 6 laps. Spa. (Mr Wall,y I'll post my times all together when I've done the lot)
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now, remember I haven't made skins for a lot of these cars so that will explain for a few seconds.
I did 4-6 laps of Spa depending on how much I liked the car.
Pretty much all fun and manageable. The M3 GT2 was the worst. Very boat compared to the rest.
The Mclaren and Ferrari where the best fun i thought Merc sounds the best.
all laps are @ SPA
BMW M3 GT2 2:27.037
Ferrari 458 GT2 2:24.689
Mclaren MP4-12C GT3 2:26.653
BMW Z4 GT3 2:25.739
P4/5 2:26.955
Merc SLS GT3 2:25.308
Lotus Evora GTC 2:27.886
Lotus Evora GX 2:27:717
Robin Standard 4:39.356
They are all pretty well matched. It would be good to have that stupid ballast idea implemented. so then we can choose a car we like to drive for a GT season. or is that how it works?
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I still dont see the reason why its best to set times with default sets. Surely everyone will be changing them as needed per track and an optimzed setup will show more each cars potential. Especially at a track like Spa gearing and Aero can be worth 3 or 4 seconds but then you will also need to change other things to make the car work after those changes.
Probably also best to get each cars times on medium tyres assuming we will be running longer races then even gt2 softs are good for. Qualy pace the gt2 cars will all have about a second over the other gt cars and only p4/5 is the real odd one here. It has gt2 tyres but limited setup options and on many track is more of a match for the gt3 cars.
Dick if you get under 2:35 id likely call you a cheat, I also was running a server with full blown aids. Id just rather run with no aids and that server has always been more popular. The first day I ran multi servers it was hard to get into the no aids server and the exact same setup with factory aids was empty all day.
I think you will learn much better car control without ABS TC and obviously no stability control. Those aids make it easier but also slower and make you more prone to get into bad habits.
Supposedly the no slot bug has been fixed for the next update so I will keep up some permenant servers but as is they all die over time with people getting stuck in them so no point keeping a no book server up for a long time. It needs a full reset quite often if full so leaving them up they will just turn to crap atm.
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now, remember I haven't made skins for a lot of these cars so that will explain for a few seconds.
I did 4-6 laps of Spa depending on how much I liked the car.
Pretty much all fun and manageable. The M3 GT2 was the worst. Very boat compared to the rest.
The Mclaren and Ferrari where the best fun i thought Merc sounds the best.
all laps are @ SPA
BMW M3 GT2 2:27.037
Ferrari 458 GT2 2:24.689
Mclaren MP4-12C GT3 2:26.653
BMW Z4 GT3 2:25.739
P4/5 2:26.955
Merc SLS GT3 2:25.308
Lotus Evora GTC 2:27.886
Lotus Evora GX 2:27:717
They are all pretty well matched. It would be good to have that stupid ballast idea implemented. so then we can choose a car we like to drive for a GT season. or is that how it works?
No. When we get ballast Wally chooses a car he likes ;) and Bird chooses the F40!!!
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@Marty, it's all just to get a relative performance differential, as a percentage. There are so many variables to a driver's lap time, this will be close enough.
@Dick, ballast works best in a single make field. I doubt we'll get ballast for a long time.
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full blown aids.
I wish it was something less serious....
[youtube]tXZWxzxGZGs[/youtube]
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I've updated my times to include the car of pure driving class. The Robin
Hang on to you fascinators ladies, 109kmh down Blanchimont!!
Sound doesn't work of cause. which makes down shifting even harder not to blow the power plant.
Dick Forrest is holding the WR with a 4:39.941... for now.
But i did post a .356 the lap before but RSR didn't like it..
I've been working on a skin for Threepwood but can't stop it from looking like tablecloth
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n497/mogwai101/Screenshot_reliant_robin_spa_20-10-2014-15-44-7.jpg)
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I didn't run all the cars but here are some times after just a few laps on default setup around Spa.
Thats after spending quite a few hours over the past few days on Martys server.
458: 2:19.914
M3: 2:20;079
Z4: 2:20.737
GTC: 2:23.988
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Here you go Wally,
I decided to do a different track – Watkins Glen
All cars default Setup (with Soft Tires) and I lengthened the Diff Ratio on cars that hit the Rev Limiter.
Track comments:
The grip level on this track is probably a little high. Timing for first Hot Lap is a bit screwed and there is only one replay camera.
Ferrari 458 GT2 1:07.751
BMW M3 GT2 1:07.619
Mercedes SLS AMG GT3 1:09.411
McLaren MP4-12C GT3 1:09.520
BMW Z4 GT3 1:09.042
P 4/5 1:09.434
Lotus GTC 1:10.324
Lotus GX 1:11.996
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Here are my times at Spa over a few days running on my server, going by my RSR times. All have had some setup work but not all real great laps as it not always easy to get a clean run in an open server qualy session all on the softest tyres available. Still more fun then doing it on my own in hotlap mode even if many laps get ruined by traffic or others incidents. ;D
BMW Z4 GT3 2:18.751
Mercedes SLS GT3 2:17.581
Lotus Evora GTC 2:19.727
MP4 12C GT3 2:18.676
Ferrari 458 GT2 2:17.963
BMW M3 GT2 2:17.391
P4/5 2:20.374
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OK, I've collated the figures. Man, this is variable! Every different driver squeezes different relative performances out of the same cars. Some of that may be due to track variation.
Anyway, here are the averages. This is how many percent slower the car is than the F458 (or in other words, that many seconds slower over 100 seconds).
458 GT2 0.00
M3 GT2 1.31
SLS GT3 1.67
P4/5 1.98
Z4 GT3 2.32
MP12-4C GT3 2.45
Evora GTC 2.84
Evora GX 3.51
A reasonable spread of times, except the 458 is quite a bit faster than the other cars. Because these cars are a little more complex and variable than the lotuses (and BMWs), I don't want to have too many different cars in the mix, because peoples' cars will be too different week to week. I might just have 3 roughly evenly spaced "classes", e.g.
F458 (for the slowest guys)
M3 (for the middle guys)
MP12-4C (for the fastest guys)
where, like the Lotuses, the car you get next week depends on your speed relative to everyone else.
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i'd suggest that the cars chosen have more of a speed difference in the corners than the straight as otherwise it's impossible to pass. If it's a massive difference anyway.
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I'll start getting some skins together...
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i'd suggest that the cars chosen have more of a speed difference in the corners than the straight as otherwise it's impossible to pass. If it's a massive difference anyway.
I notice you haven't posted a time for the Robin @ Spa. it had a good chance of getting into the mix.
I did: 4:39.356
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I'll start getting some skins together...
If we only go with three distinct models, which are easy to tell apart, then I don't think we need colour coded skins. It would be too much the same. But if you want to make some custom skins that people can choose to use, then go for it.
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I'll start getting some skins together...
If we only go with three distinct models, which are easy to tell apart, then I don't think we need colour coded skins. It would be too much the same. But if you want to make some custom skins that people can choose to use, then go for it.
If we will be swapping cars than I'll just make 3 variants. If we are keeping cars then I can personalize them a bit more. I don't want people feeling forced to use skins either. Only Bruce and Bacchulum, should be forced to. those guys are way too conservative.
Is the car choice set in stone?
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I'll start getting some skins together...
If we only go with three distinct models, which are easy to tell apart, then I don't think we need colour coded skins. It would be too much the same. But if you want to make some custom skins that people can choose to use, then go for it.
If we will be swapping cars than I'll just make 3 variants. If we are keeping cars then I can personalize them a bit more. I don't want people feeling forced to use skins either. Only Bruce and Bacchulum, should be forced to. those guys are way too conservative.
Is the car choice set in stone?
Yeah, we'll be swapping cars. We don't need 8 pink Ferraris, if you know what I mean. Do you mean if you theme a car, you'll do that themed skin for each of the three cars? That would be good.
The car choice is set in foam, so far.
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no no, not 8 pink Ferrari's. Just the 3.
I won't do a colour scale. No hello kitty..... sigh....
I'll have a look at the templates and go from there. some templates are real easy and have big panels and wire mesh that actually align up. Others are just tedious and challenging for all the wrong reasons lol.
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Ferrari GT2 SPA 2:18:850
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Ferrari GT2 SPA 2:18:850
Robin Standard SPA 4:39.356
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OK, I've collated the figures. Man, this is variable! Every different driver squeezes different relative performances out of the same cars. Some of that may be due to track variation.
Anyway, here are the averages. This is how many percent slower the car is than the F458 (or in other words, that many seconds slower over 100 seconds).
458 GT2 0.00
M3 GT2 1.31
SLS GT3 1.67
P4/5 1.98
Z4 GT3 2.32
MP12-4C GT3 2.45
Evora GTC 2.84
Evora GX 3.51
A reasonable spread of times, except the 458 is quite a bit faster than the other cars. Because these cars are a little more complex and variable than the lotuses (and BMWs), I don't want to have too many different cars in the mix, because peoples' cars will be too different week to week. I might just have 3 roughly evenly spaced "classes", e.g.
F458 (for the slowest guys)
M3 (for the middle guys)
MP12-4C (for the fastest guys)
where, like the Lotuses, the car you get next week depends on your speed relative to everyone else.
There is more to these cars and so some may suit people better then others, some I just struggled setup wise but also testing at spa is very different to a smaller tighter circuit. Id prefer having a larger selection of cars as even in the same class with cars performing similar times they have other strengths and weaknesses. Its pretty cool to race others this way rather then all having the same car.
The p4/5 is the most odd car out of the bunch as it will do well on most tracks that arent long and open like Spa amd Monza. The GT3 cars really dont have much in them and people could pick a preferred model of these. Racing gt3 cars online I can be up front in any of these. Even gt2 the m3 and 458 can battle it out quite well and really the major difference between these classes are the better tyres in the gt2 which the p4/5 also shares.
The Evora GTC can get a laptime and be competitive qith a quick driver as long as there arent aliens in the faster cars.
To get a proper speed differential I think people need to re run tests on medium tyres to see race pace rather then qualy pace. Also custom setups shouod be used as defaults will favour some cars more then others.
Unless races are very short all cars will need the med tyres to race only gt2 can run softs for 6 or 7 laps at spa but they do lose quite a bit over the last lap and a bit. Gt3 cars need a very slow outlap to just get 1 hotlap with optimum tyres on the softs so tbey are useless in any race. There is about 1 second between each tyre compound it seems at Spa.
Handicapping could be simply done by class slowest guys in gt2's and fastest in gtc etc. You can then use the general advantage many seem to have in 458 or merc in their class but its really not so much as they can compete fairly well.
Giving people a preference car in the class will help them use a car they may be more comfortable in as its shown that not all are the same for all. Just because for some 1 is quicker then the other it may not be the case for particular drivers. I think Dick hates the m3 and so screwed up all the data to make sure he doesnt get that one. ;D
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I don't want to give people choice - that's an admin nightmare.
I'm thinking of longer races with increased tyre wear, involving pitstops. Maybe 1 quick sprint on normal tyre wear, then a longer race needing a pitstop.
The tests were just to get approximate relative car performances. No point in trying to refine it further as its way too variable and time consuming. Its been averaged over a few different drivers at different kinds of tracks, so that's good enough. Like I've said many times before, with so many variables, it's never going to be perfect. The Lotus races are already giving great racing for most.
Most of these cars are pretty stable on default setups, so it might be more entertaining to use a bigger mix, especially as some will be kinder to tyres than others.
Dick, we'll skip the custom skins for this series. Too hard. There's already enough great looking race skins in the game. I'll assign them randomly.
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Dick, we'll skip the custom skins for this series. Too hard. There's already enough great looking race skins in the game. I'll assign them randomly.
No worries Wally. fine, go boring race car looks. ;)
I can concentrate on making custom cobra skins that conservative, are easy for people to choose a colour scheme and a race number. and it will take weeks for me to fill orders instead of months!
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No hello kitty..... sigh....
I quit.
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I don't want to give people choice - that's an admin nightmare.
Not if it's automatic....
Can I just put in again - we still have the old car-rental or car-buying system....it's really easy on the admin (as long as the result parser is corrected for AC)
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No hello kitty..... sigh....
I quit.
Can I have your lap times?
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No hello kitty..... sigh....
I quit.
Don't worry. I'm working on a hax that will make every skin turn into a Hello Kitty skin.
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Dick, we'll skip the custom skins for this series. Too hard. There's already enough great looking race skins in the game. I'll assign them randomly.
Just sayin'.... I have skins ready to go....
I can't believe you'd knock back a Coolabah Fruity Lexia skin!
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n497/mogwai101/Screenshot_ferrari_458_gt2_spa_19-10-2014-10-38-43.jpg)
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If someone wants to choose a custom skin, then great. What I mean is, I don't want to see all cars of a model looking the same this time.
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If someone wants to choose a custom skin, then great. What I mean is, I don't want to see all cars of a model looking the same this time.
Yeah same. I liked the concept of colour coding. But I never really had enough time to add more to the paint jobs. And the Lotus skins are very bitsy. Like I said, not my proudest work at all. I don't like to half do things, even though my life is full of half finished projects lol. I doubt we will have a field that large again though. (car model wise)
Just let me know what cars we are going to use for sure and I can mess about with them and take it from there.
I need some advice for sponsors though. Not about silly sponsors. but racing sponsors. I look at other skins and find brand names that way no worries. What I don't want to do in end up having conflict of interest which may spoil a legit looking skin otherwise. eg mobil 1 and shell oil stickers on the same car That example is kinda obvious. But if anyone notices a conflict with my sponsors let me know! Or sponsors that are important to have for a certain class or whatever.
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I think this is on the way to being legit looking. Add a few sponsors, a hello kitty here and there and you've got a race car.
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n497/mogwai101/Screenshot_mclaren_mp412c_gt3_imola_26-10-2014-5-22-17.jpg)
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n497/mogwai101/Screenshot_mclaren_mp412c_gt3_imola_26-10-2014-5-22-7.jpg)
a few sponsors now added
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n497/mogwai101/Screenshot_mclaren_mp412c_gt3_imola_26-10-2014-5-48-45.jpg)
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Very nice skin but I still think we need Mr.Bean behind the wheel or a few Clarksons!
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Very nice skin but I still think we need Mr.Bean behind the wheel or a few Clarksons!
lol hmm I haven't even found the face file. No one would see them behind the helmet anyway.
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few more prototypes.
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n497/mogwai101/Screenshot_ferrari_458_gt2_imola_26-10-2014-6-39-29.jpg)
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n497/mogwai101/Screenshot_mclaren_mp412c_gt3_imola_26-10-2014-6-19-15.jpg)
But Threepwood's MP4 is looking like one sweet ride already...
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n497/mogwai101/Screenshot_mclaren_mp412c_gt3_imola_26-10-2014-7-43-19.jpg)
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n497/mogwai101/Screenshot_mclaren_mp412c_gt3_imola_26-10-2014-7-42-40.jpg)
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The problem, Dick, is that we don't know who'll drive what car.
I'd love a gold/skyblue/black one, maybe that geometrial pattern thing up here. Let's put it on the slowest car and let's hope I can drive it :)
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The problem, Dick, is that we don't know who'll drive what car.
I'd love a gold/skyblue/black one, maybe that geometrial pattern thing up here. Let's put it on the slowest car and let's hope I can drive it :)
yeah we will see what happens. If we only have the 3 variants, I might be able to make enough to just have a few Dick Skins in the mix if we go random.. Chances are the likes of GT will be in the same car so why not have a HK skin ready for him.
It will come down to admin at the end of the day really.
I will work on the colour combo. I'm pretty happy with how that came out.. MP4-GT3 is the slowest?
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I think the Lotus are.
Wally, you promised no more Lotus. ???
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I think the Lotus are.
Wally, you promised no more Lotus. ???
I think it's been short listed to 3. The Ferrari, McLaren and robin. Or is it the bmw... not set in stone though
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I'll post up some season 4 thoughts soon. I'm thinking of using all of the cars I listed, to mix up the field, and to have a variety of strengths and weaknesses as Marty suggested.
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Why don't you just use ballast? :P