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Re: Lap time data for season 4 car selection
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2014, 12:58:30 PM »
IMPORTANT!
Keep an eye on the tyres, Gratulin! (and others)  Some cars have mediums as default, not softs!

The gearing can throw it out in a big way, too.  It's easy to fix, just change the overall ratio on those one or two that has 300km/h+ top speed to the shorter one, to match the others at around 280km/h top

IMPORTANT!
  Any times under 2:35 will cause Marty to rage crash his servers, bitch about it on TS to anyone who is listening and change his SLI settings.  :o
« Last Edit: October 20, 2014, 01:00:13 PM by Dick Forrest »

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Re: Lap time data for season 4 car selection
« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2014, 01:29:10 PM »
If you can do laps a mere 4s off guybrush at Spa, then you're not a slow driver by a long shot, IMO. :)

You're right Bird. My ego wrote a cheque my skills cant cash..

I forgot to take into account how bad I am and how good GB is. I'm 8 seconds off. Could knock a second off no worries. I'm making a mess of the last chicane.*

at Spa:
ferrari 458 GT2  2:24.689


* That's the most obvious spot I'm messing up.. clearly I'm not much better at the rest of the circuit either.

The important thing to remember is to take off the handbrake.

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Re: Lap time data for season 4 car selection
« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2014, 01:32:07 PM »
If you can do laps a mere 4s off guybrush at Spa, then you're not a slow driver by a long shot, IMO. :)

You're right Bird. My ego wrote a cheque my skills cant cash..

I forgot to take into account how bad I am and how good GB is. I'm 8 seconds off. Could knock a second off no worries. I'm making a mess of the last chicane.*

at Spa:
ferrari 458 GT2  2:24.689


* That's the most obvious spot I'm messing up.. clearly I'm not much better at the rest of the circuit either.

The important thing to remember is to take off the handbrake.

... right.. got it.


where is the handbrake?

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Re: Lap time data for season 4 car selection
« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2014, 01:37:14 PM »
funny but you can have a handbrake - there's a button for it, and then you can buy one of these:
http://www.fanatec.com/us-en/sim-racing-hardware/clubsport-handbrake-us.html

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Re: Lap time data for season 4 car selection
« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2014, 01:38:29 PM »
Love the Mclaren,
It does feel absent though. but I think it's because it's 100% drive-by-wire yeah? Not sure how many others are?
It has lots of aids though Marty. watch out. But the all work well. For a scrub like me.
But slow MP4-GT 2:26.653 after 6 laps. Spa. (Mr Wall,y I'll post my times all together when I've done the lot)

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Re: Lap time data for season 4 car selection
« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2014, 03:33:24 PM »
now, remember I haven't made skins for a lot of these cars so that will explain for a few seconds.
I did 4-6 laps of Spa depending on how much I liked the car.
Pretty much all fun and manageable. The M3 GT2 was the worst. Very boat compared to the rest.
The Mclaren and Ferrari where the best fun i thought Merc sounds the best.

all laps are @ SPA
BMW M3 GT2                2:27.037
Ferrari 458 GT2              2:24.689
Mclaren MP4-12C GT3  2:26.653
BMW Z4 GT3                 2:25.739
P4/5                               2:26.955
Merc SLS GT3                2:25.308
Lotus Evora GTC            2:27.886
Lotus Evora GX              2:27:717
Robin Standard              4:39.356
                           
They are all pretty well matched. It would be good to have that stupid ballast idea implemented. so then we can choose a car we like to drive for a GT season. or is that how it works?

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Re: Lap time data for season 4 car selection
« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2014, 03:43:55 PM »
I still dont see the reason why its best to set times with default sets. Surely everyone will be changing them as needed per track and an optimzed setup will show more each cars potential. Especially at a track like Spa gearing and Aero can be worth 3 or 4 seconds but then you will also need to change other things to make the car work after those changes.

Probably also best to get each cars times on medium tyres assuming we will be running longer races then even gt2 softs are good for. Qualy pace the gt2 cars will all have about a second over the other gt cars and only p4/5 is the real odd one here. It has gt2 tyres but limited setup options and on many track is more of a match for the gt3 cars.

Dick if you get under 2:35 id likely call you a cheat, I also was running a server with full blown aids. Id just rather run with no aids and that server has always been more popular. The first day I ran multi servers it was hard to get into the no aids server and the exact same setup with factory aids was empty all day.

I think you will learn much better car control without ABS TC and obviously no stability control. Those aids make it easier but also slower and make you more prone to get into bad habits.

Supposedly the no slot bug has been fixed for the next update so I will keep up some permenant servers but as is they all die over time with people getting stuck in them so no point keeping a no book server up for a long time. It needs a full reset quite often if full so leaving them up they will just turn to crap atm.

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Lap time data for season 4 car selection
« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2014, 03:44:14 PM »
now, remember I haven't made skins for a lot of these cars so that will explain for a few seconds.
I did 4-6 laps of Spa depending on how much I liked the car.
Pretty much all fun and manageable. The M3 GT2 was the worst. Very boat compared to the rest.
The Mclaren and Ferrari where the best fun i thought Merc sounds the best.

all laps are @ SPA
BMW M3 GT2                2:27.037
Ferrari 458 GT2              2:24.689
Mclaren MP4-12C GT3  2:26.653
BMW Z4 GT3                 2:25.739
P4/5                               2:26.955
Merc SLS GT3                2:25.308
Lotus Evora GTC            2:27.886
Lotus Evora GX              2:27:717

They are all pretty well matched. It would be good to have that stupid ballast idea implemented. so then we can choose a car we like to drive for a GT season. or is that how it works?
No. When we get ballast Wally chooses a car he likes ;) and Bird chooses the F40!!!

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Re: Lap time data for season 4 car selection
« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2014, 04:01:34 PM »
@Marty, it's all just to get a relative performance differential, as a percentage. There are so many variables to a driver's lap time, this will be close enough.

@Dick, ballast works best in a single make field. I doubt we'll get ballast for a long time. 
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Re: Lap time data for season 4 car selection
« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2014, 04:12:08 PM »
full blown aids.
I wish it was something less serious....



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Re: Lap time data for season 4 car selection
« Reply #40 on: October 20, 2014, 07:18:51 PM »
I've updated my times to include the car of pure driving class. The Robin

Hang on to you fascinators ladies, 109kmh down Blanchimont!!

Sound doesn't work of cause. which makes down shifting even harder not to blow the power plant.

Dick Forrest is holding the WR with a 4:39.941... for now.
But i did post a .356 the lap before but RSR didn't like it..

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Re: Lap time data for season 4 car selection
« Reply #41 on: October 20, 2014, 09:47:23 PM »
I didn't run all the cars but here are some times after just a few laps on default setup around Spa.

Thats after spending quite a few hours over the past few days on Martys server.

458: 2:19.914
M3: 2:20;079
Z4: 2:20.737
GTC: 2:23.988




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Re: Lap time data for season 4 car selection
« Reply #42 on: October 20, 2014, 10:12:58 PM »
Here you go Wally,

I decided to do a different track – Watkins Glen

All cars default Setup (with Soft Tires) and I lengthened the Diff Ratio on cars that hit the Rev Limiter.

Track comments:
The grip level on this track is probably a little high. Timing for first Hot Lap is a bit screwed and there is only one replay camera.

Ferrari 458 GT2      1:07.751

BMW M3 GT2         1:07.619

Mercedes SLS AMG GT3   1:09.411

McLaren MP4-12C GT3   1:09.520

BMW Z4 GT3         1:09.042

P 4/5            1:09.434

Lotus GTC         1:10.324

Lotus GX         1:11.996

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Re: Lap time data for season 4 car selection
« Reply #43 on: October 21, 2014, 11:11:19 PM »
Here are my times at Spa over a few days running on my server, going by my RSR times. All have had some setup work but not all real great laps as it not always easy to get a clean run in an open server qualy session all on the softest tyres available. Still more fun then doing it on my own in hotlap mode even if many laps get ruined by traffic or others incidents.  ;D

BMW Z4 GT3 2:18.751
Mercedes SLS GT3 2:17.581
Lotus Evora GTC 2:19.727
MP4 12C GT3 2:18.676
Ferrari 458 GT2 2:17.963
BMW M3 GT2 2:17.391
P4/5 2:20.374

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Re: Lap time data for season 4 car selection
« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2014, 10:50:16 PM »
OK, I've collated the figures. Man, this is variable! Every different driver squeezes different relative performances out of the same cars. Some of that may be due to track variation.
Anyway, here are the averages. This is how many percent slower the car is than the F458 (or in other words, that many seconds slower over 100 seconds).

458 GT2    0.00
M3 GT2    1.31
SLS GT3    1.67
P4/5    1.98
Z4 GT3    2.32
MP12-4C GT3    2.45
Evora GTC    2.84
Evora GX    3.51

A reasonable spread of times, except the 458 is quite a bit faster than the other cars. Because these cars are a little more complex and variable than the lotuses (and BMWs), I don't want to have too many different cars in the mix, because peoples' cars will be too different week to week. I might just have 3 roughly evenly spaced "classes", e.g.

F458 (for the slowest guys)
M3 (for the middle guys)
MP12-4C (for the fastest guys)

where, like the Lotuses, the car you get next week depends on your speed relative to everyone else.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2014, 07:31:59 AM by Wally »
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