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These cars are pretty awful to drive. Perhaps add a warm up race with easier to drive cars for those of us who really don't want/need the "challenge"?I believe that for once asking for a bit of preperation for a Thursday Fun Run is not asking to much, from ptracker stats only 3 people have given these cars a fair shake so far online. These cars are not awful to drive , they are different, but with a bit of practice you will get the hang of them, 20 laps or just 20 minutes. The whole car was designed to race these ovals at high speed, turning left , even the Offenhauser engine is at a slant to the left. I think just a gesture of thanks to Seanus, we owe him the pleasure of using some of his special cars and tracks in an online environment.
Phil will be away on the night so changing cars and tracks is not an option.
Sober me thinks drunk me is a bit of a fanboi.I have spent some more time with this mod and also got the Lotus and Ferrari working, it really is very good. I did some AI races around Osterreichring 1979 No chicane, and drove several different cars, I was surprised at how driveable they are. I think we could use this for a Thursday season with the right tracks .
Fun Run or Nightmare Run?Maybe only the tough Thursday guys can handle it . It does take about 20 laps to start to get the hang of it, and then it becomes a real addictive challenge to get your lap times down, I find the thought of racing side by side with a human driver in these cars, something to really look forward to. I agree it could be fun or nightmare , it will depend on how much practice you can get in . You also need to use one of the published setups and be VERY gentle with the throttle.
I think we should turn OFF damage for this event please Phil.
I had been on track practicing and already noticed the 63s lap before viewing this post, and was suitable impressed. I have now got my time down to 1.04.668 and was happy with that so far, I am now keen to do some more laps with your JSM setup . The noise of these beasts would not be good with a hangover .
Thanks Bacchulum .
Because you would burn the clutch out getting it moving remember it has a top speed of 300kph, so 2 gears is the minimum for such a speed range.With a rolling start, why would you need more?Ha! Why not only one then
The slick tyre revolution
Page 51, July 1999
Technofile - the slick tyre
The slick tyre was one of the greatest revolutions in racing car history, yet it crept into Formula One almost unnoticed. Keith Howard discovers its origins.
If you know your maths you'll know what an asymptote is: a value that is approached but never actually reached, like the hapless frog whose every jump across the pond is half the distance remaining to the other side. The slick racing tyre was an asymptote of sorts. Although it was, of course, a destination eventually reached, it took many years of painstaking development to do so. Moreover, as the treadless tyre era approached it was heralded by semi-slicks with very little and to the casual observer, vestigial tread pattern. So obvious, so infinitesimal seemed the final step to no tread at all that the slick eventually made its entrance without great fanfare, or even much comment.
When I began researching this piece I felt certain I'd quickly discover a potted history of the slick in my modest library of technical and motor racing tomes and cuttings, on the Internet or, surely, in back numbers of MOTOR SPORT. But no. Only careful reading of the magazine's Grand Prix reports from 1971 finally turned up this tantalising snippet from the Monaco GP: "...Peterson using some new Firestone tyres on his March, as were the two Lotus drivers [Wisell and Fittipaldij. These were a new compound smooth tyre, reckoned to give increased cornering power...". Although it's an equivocal remark, I take it to mean this was the first occasion a true slick was used in Formula One. But for the fine-toothed comb I was wielding that day, I might easily have missed it.
In itself the treadless tyre was nothing novel, of course. It had been used on Land Speed Record cars and in drag racing years earlier, but those applications were significantly less challenging. Removal of tread on high-speed tyres was simply a logical step to counter heat build-up; in drag racing the slick was used because of the superior grip it offered, but under conditions of traction and braking only. For the racing slick it was cornering that was to prove the really big problem. Why want a slick at all? It's a reasonable question because what you learn about friction in school physics suggests it's a senseless exercise. You may recall having it drummed into you that the frictional force developed between two sliding surfaces is dependent only on the clamping load between them, not on the contact area, and that the maximum possible coefficient of friction (friction divided by load) is One. If that rings a bell then cast such notions aside. Although this classic view of friction holds good where both materials are hard and unyielding, it means nothing in the world of tyres.
Frictional interaction between a flexible material (rubber) and a hard material (road) is fundamentally different, as a consequence of which two of the three statements above become untrue. Frictional force remains dependent on load, as before, but the area of contact is now a significant factor too and Unity no longer represents a theoretical maximum for friction coefficient. In fact a modem slick typically has a coefficient of friction around 1.8.
Contact area being a factor makes the attraction of a treadless tyre immediately obvious. Any form of tread pattern results in a reduced area of contact between rubber and road. Remove it and, provided you allow yourself the luxury of reverting to a treaded tyre when it rains, you have a tyre capable of generating more grip.
The story of the F1 slick is often reckoned to begin with the arrival of the two American tyre giants Firestone and Goodyear in F1 during the mid-1960s, and the Indycar tyre know-how they brought with them. Certainly the renewed competition acted as a wake-up call to incumbent Dunlop. But two technical developments were crucial to the slick tyre's development, one of which - the introduction of synthetic (particularly styrene-butadiene) rubbers - took place earlier, beginning with the Dunlop R6 (CR48) tyre of 1962. Synthetic rubbers, because they were created in the lab rather than bequeathed by nature, really kick-started the art of modern tyre compounding, opening the way to the development of a new breed of soft tread materials that were to prove vital to the slick. Racing tyres of the time were notoriously hard, Jim Clark once remarking that he was certain they grew rather than wore during a race as they picked up detritus from the track.
As tyre widths rapidly increased in F1 during the latter half of the '60s, a second crucial development occurred. Up until this point the crossply casings of the tyre had been formed in a circular cross-section, necessitating the shoulders of the tread to be created by increased rubber thickness. As tyre widths and cornering knees grew, this caused overheating. The solution lay in what Dunlop called 'reverse crown' or 'depressed crown' casing in which the tread area was formed in concave section, the tyre assuming its correct shape only when inflated. This allowed the thickness of shoulder rubber to be reduced from up to 20mm to 6-8mm. The Americans used something similar, derived from their Indycar experience.
From this point, you could say the slick became an inevitability, although a deal of development was still required, particularly in the compounding area, befbre it became a practical reality. You might suppose that removing the tread pattern should make a racing tyre more predictable in its responses, by banishing undesirable tread squirm, but early attempts at the slick defied such expectations.
Jackie Stewart, for example, tried a treadless Dunlop in private testing with the new March team in 1969/70. The tyre's 970 wet compound - soft for the time but hard by today's standards - conferred excellent braking and traction performance, but cornering grip lacked the necessary progression. Sudden breakaway made the tyre too difficult to drive at the limit. Only by adding small tread features, like the so-called crows' or sparrows' feet in the pictured 1970 CR92, could the tyre be made driveable.
Dunlop quit F1 at the end of the 1970 season, of course, so the final step of removing all vestiges of tread was left to its American competitors. Not, as I've noted, that putting the final piece of the jigsaw in place exactly made the headlines. It must seem ironic to those from all three F1 tyre suppliers of the period, who strove to make the slick work, that the FIA in its wisdom should now have banished it from Formula One altogether.
Our thanks to Alec Meskell, ex-Dunlop International Racing and Rally Service, for sharing his recollections
LOL it would probably be worth it.
Let us know what you think of it.
Before installing please read the Release notes. You need DLC for Lotus and Ferrari and copy and past a few files. The release notes run to 22 pages and are very detailed, this mod comes from material from many sources
All good Phil.
This Fun Run would be a lot FUNNER with a big field!!!! If some more Tuesdays guys could manage to race as well that would be great
If you have ever wondered what it would be like to drive a Speedway car now is your chance to find out. With a top speed of close to 300kph these cars are a real delight. They require a bit of practice to get used to the "lift off oversteer" and "power on oversteer" , very gentle use of the "loud pedal" is also needed, but you will soon get the hang of it .
Big thankyou to Seanus for making this combo possible.
This combo needs to be driven Speedway style in the corners. I will find and publish here the setup Bacchulum came up with to make it easier to get around this track , turning left, turning left, a low 60 seconds lap is on the money.
Like the song Phil .
« on: March 16, 2018, 07:01:34 AM »
What a blast this combo was, lots of very close racing. Congrats to Mael and Seanus. I cannot remember having such a close battle as I had with GW in the second race, and for me to finish just .04 of a second in front thanks GW great side by side racing.. I turned my graphics settings down because I thought my GPU was playing up with cars flickering in some corners, thanks Wally for pointing out it is the track. This track is GPU intensive with my FPS in the high 50s and I am running GTX1080ti .