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Title: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Wally on August 14, 2019, 07:22:02 PM
Congratulations to ab156 on pole and to Freezer for the three race wins and the overall round win, moving him into 3rd place in the season standings. Big movers on the leaderboard were Freezer (+4) and Killagorilla dropping 4 places.

RACE 1 RESULTS (https://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2019/08/s29r5-barbagallo-race-1.html)
RACE 2 RESULTS (https://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2019/08/s29r5-barbagallo-race-2.html)
RACE 3 RESULTS (https://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2019/08/s29r5-barbagallo-race-3.html)
SEASON STANDINGS (https://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2019/07/season-29-standings.html)
SEASON STATS (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nu52lWM6_TIRBEGCTF32BxLe8mobfsCFpd_wOeuxpXI/edit?usp=sharing)

Round Points
Freezer   120
ab156   109
AGK   108
Mael   107
AbleArcher83   100
bradc   84
Phil.8   68
Rob   68
Wally   66
Kcender87   60
killagorilla   58
Dave O   54
Joe   52
Bacchulum   34
Simone   18

Fastest Laps
ab156   58.950
Mael   58.976
Freezer   59.134
AGK   59.186
AbleArcher83   59.619
Kcender87   59.924
Joe   60.083
Rob   60.284
Wally   60.387
bradc   60.654
killagorilla   60.664
Phil.8   61.258
Dave O   61.345
Simone   61.353
Bacchulum   62.077


Lap 1 Penalties

Race 2
Off the start line, Kcender veered suddenly to the left, hitting Phil’s Hyundai rocket off into the wall - $1,000 penalty.

There was a bit of a concertina effect when Mael disco’d that caught up a few cars.

Race 3
Myself, Bacchulum and Killa were 3-wide going up the hill, and there was a bit of a side contact between Bacchulum and Killa which spun Bacchulum  - racing incident.


Season Standings
1. Kcender87, 416
2. Phil.8, 393
3. Freezer, 380



3 x 20 laps at Barbagallo.

It will be cool weather - 14, 15 and 15.

Race 3 will be my 400th Tuesday night league race.
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Joe on August 19, 2019, 08:09:46 PM
So what's the deal with the sausage curb on the last corner here? You can run the left side of it and not get a cut and gain a fair bit of time.
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Wally on August 19, 2019, 11:02:38 PM
If PLP doesn't ping you, go for it. The Supercars often run to the left of that kerb, but I think it's frowned upon.
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Mael on August 20, 2019, 10:48:37 AM
If PLP doesn't ping you, go for it. The Supercars often run to the left of that kerb, but I think it's frowned upon.

Don't worry about Joe, we'll just run him into the old pitlane wall if he cheats on that last corner  ;D

BTW how did the ACC enduro go last night Wally?
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Wally on August 20, 2019, 11:08:41 AM
If PLP doesn't ping you, go for it. The Supercars often run to the left of that kerb, but I think it's frowned upon.

Don't worry about Joe, we'll just run him into the old pitlane wall if he cheats on that last corner  ;D

BTW how did the ACC enduro go last night Wally?
I started on wets in rain which was only light. Bad move. I learned last night that slicks are better in light rain - they stay a bit cold, but that's better than the overheated wets if it's not wet enough.
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Joe on August 20, 2019, 03:11:27 PM
Don't worry about Joe, we'll just run him into the old pitlane wall if he cheats on that last corner  ;D

If PLP doesn't see it, is it really cheating?  :o

I was just raising it for consistency. I was making sure I was right of the curb apart from one lap where I messed it up but then gained a couple of 10ths. That said, if everyone is doing, why not  8)
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Mael on August 20, 2019, 03:58:10 PM
Don't worry about Joe, we'll just run him into the old pitlane wall if he cheats on that last corner  ;D

If PLP doesn't see it, is it really cheating?  :o

I was just raising it for consistency. I was making sure I was right of the curb apart from one lap where I messed it up but then gained a couple of 10ths. That said, if everyone is doing, why not  8)

Yeah, only pulling your leg, it is a legitimate problem on this track for us and the Supercars IRL  :) 

I'm not so worried if the driver re-enter the track over the curb, the most time can be gained by re-entering the track after the sausage curb ends, you can gain about 1/2 a second from memory. But hopefully not many drivers would take that option since its quite obvious against the track designers intention. And if a driver does it by mistake (Out-braking oneself at that last corner is almost inevitable) then we can only hope the driver would slow down to give the advantage gained back.

Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Wally on August 20, 2019, 04:53:31 PM
Well said Mael. I would hope that people will make their best effort to stay to the right of the kerb, but you won't get pinged for running wide there.
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Wally on August 20, 2019, 06:14:51 PM
Server's up.
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Jarmel on August 20, 2019, 07:33:36 PM
Hi, Won't be able to make it this week . Grandson is down from Qld.

Good luck all.
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Wally on August 20, 2019, 11:00:15 PM
Results are up.

Congratulations to Freezer on the round win.

Congratulations also to AGK, who has been slowly but steadily moving up the all time rankings here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nu52lWM6_TIRBEGCTF32BxLe8mobfsCFpd_wOeuxpXI/edit?usp=sharing). He's currently sitting at #13 in the all time rankings.
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: kcender87 on August 20, 2019, 11:23:50 PM
Sorry bout that hit Phil! Knew there was contact but didn't know it sent you flying - my bad
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: AGK on August 20, 2019, 11:54:54 PM
Results are up.

Congratulations to Freezer on the round win.

Congratulations also to AGK, who has been slowly but steadily moving up the all time rankings here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nu52lWM6_TIRBEGCTF32BxLe8mobfsCFpd_wOeuxpXI/edit?usp=sharing). He's currently sitting at #13 in the all time rankings.

Thanks Wally, I'm glad I could make it on the first page  :D

Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Joe on August 20, 2019, 11:56:38 PM
Race 1 was good and clean right behind kcender the whole race. We had about the same pace so no chance of pass. Looking at race stats was about a 0.5 sec gap between us from lap 2 till the end.

Race 2 was going okay having a good chase trying to get past Brad until I put the left rear on the gravel exiting to the back straight and spun. had to wait for most of the field to go to safely rejoin. Spun again a few laps later. Car was pretty dead so retired.

Race 3 started second last and had a great opening lap up to 6th or 7th but then got tangled up with Rob and Phil and ended up against the wall facing the wrong way and back to last. Wally, Phil, Rob and Killa were about 8 secs ahead battling so I took advantage of the the sausage curb for a few laps to catch up then had a few good final laps racing.
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: ab156 on August 21, 2019, 12:07:04 AM
Three great races.  No time to test at all this week, suspect I embarrassed myself with how slow I was in the French rocket but it did allow me to have great racing.

Good stuff with Mael and AGK race 1.
Good stuff with Freezer in race 2, I think I had the lead for 1.5 corners...
Good stuff with the rest of the field (esp. Kcender) in race 3 after I messed up lap 1.

BMWs were quick off the line and by the time my tyres were ready to go the pace difference wasn’t enough for a clean pass.

Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Bacchulum on August 21, 2019, 07:28:59 AM
I won't be taking the starts anymore.
There's obviously something wrong with my Car Radar.
2 weeks running it has shown Killa behind me yet it results in side to side contact.
If I can't trust my tools, I can't be safe in a pack.
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Wally on August 21, 2019, 08:02:25 AM
I won't be taking the starts anymore.
There's obviously something wrong with my Car Radar.
2 weeks running it has shown Killa behind me yet it results in side to side contact.
If I can't trust my tools, I can't be safe in a pack.
I wouldn't be too hard on yourself or your tools. Last night, it was 3 wide, not all exactly lined up side by side, cars moving a little bit tot the side... Killa was a little to the rear, but there's not a great deal he could have done to avoid a slight touch. That's touring car racing!

I had some great racing last night, despite a few knocks. Chasing Simone for laps glued to his rear bumper with my angry lights on, until he finally ran a little wide and I could squeeze past. Caught in the Phil train with Killa's Nissan and Rob's Merc, jockeying for position to try to pass Phil. That was awesome racing, until I oversteered just a little at the bottom of the hill, tagged the back of Phil's Hyundai and came off. That sent me back to second last because the group was so close behind me.
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Ablearcher83 on August 21, 2019, 09:45:19 AM
Race 1 was a quiet affair with Kcender getting the jump on me in the first turn, but was able to pass the Nissan in the back Straight. Then it was 19 more laps of hot lapping. (Nil contacts)
Race 2 turn 1 first time around Mael internet glitched and he flotted across the track, I braked heavily making contact with Mael and also Phil and Bacchulum. Then going into T6 with cold tyres I slide the the outside of the track and at the same time slide back to 12. Once the tyres were warmed up the Seat was make short work of the Nissans and Hyundai on the back straight. Joe had a moment coming out of T6 on to the back straight, I thought I had cleared his rear end  but my windsheild smashed (sorry Joe).  I had to work to get passed Bradc to get back to fourth. The last four laps was spent holding Mael off.
Race 3 ab had a moment in the first lap and I found my self in 3rd :) . I could not keep pace with AGK and Freezer, so settled in a rhythum. Then Mael caught me in lap 9 had a great battle to keep him in check. Lap 15 the tyres of the Seat started to go off and in T6 I locked up and Mael was able to get a run down the back straight. I didnt have the speed that Mael had so slowly feel behind. So I settled for fourth.
So all up two fourths and fifth. A good fun night racing.
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Freezer on August 21, 2019, 11:20:20 AM
Record night for me.  Getting a win is fairly rare let alone getting three!!
I had cash for the Merc, but the felt much better in the BMW.  Just missed pole in qualy to AB but new the great launch of the BM
would sort that out!!
Each race was a case of getting the good jump and pulling a gap.  From there I focused on keeping it, although it got a bit small at times.
Had solid pressure from AGK and also AB with whom we shared a number of corners side by side, but just managed to prevail.
Formation finish in R1 for Maki Engineering with team mate Mael, but his pc drop out in R2 dropped him back unfortunately.
Now to Croft in the Nissan!
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Joe on August 21, 2019, 11:43:33 AM
Record night for me.  Getting a win is fairly rare let alone getting three!!
I had cash for the Merc, but the felt much better in the BMW.  Just missed pole in qualy to AB but new the great launch of the BM
would sort that out!!
Each race was a case of getting the good jump and pulling a gap.  From there I focused on keeping it, although it got a bit small at times.
Had solid pressure from AGK and also AB with whom we shared a number of corners side by side, but just managed to prevail.
Formation finish in R1 for Maki Engineering with team mate Mael, but his pc drop out in R2 dropped him back unfortunately.
Now to Croft in the Nissan!

Nice job Freezer. I've been hoping to get in the BMW one day but I never have quite enough  :'(
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Freezer on August 21, 2019, 11:51:28 AM
Record night for me.  Getting a win is fairly rare let alone getting three!!
I had cash for the Merc, but the felt much better in the BMW.  Just missed pole in qualy to AB but new the great launch of the BM
would sort that out!!
Each race was a case of getting the good jump and pulling a gap.  From there I focused on keeping it, although it got a bit small at times.
Had solid pressure from AGK and also AB with whom we shared a number of corners side by side, but just managed to prevail.
Formation finish in R1 for Maki Engineering with team mate Mael, but his pc drop out in R2 dropped him back unfortunately.
Now to Croft in the Nissan!
Yes, rear wheel drive is nice! :)

Nice job Freezer. I've been hoping to get in the BMW one day but I never have quite enough  :'(
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Bacchulum on August 21, 2019, 12:05:47 PM
Last night, it was 3 wide, not all exactly lined up side by side, cars moving a little bit tot the side...
That's my point Wally.
Car Radar at no point showed any cars beside me, just 2 (side by side) behind, when I had to take my eyes off it to see my turn in point.
but there's not a great deal he could have done to avoid a slight touch. That's touring car racing!
He did have the option to do what I did in R1 with you, at least try to pull out.
That's why I spun then, I was fully off the gas, so the rear was light.
From now on I'll just plow through the car in front.
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: killagorilla on August 21, 2019, 12:26:56 PM
I won't be taking the starts anymore.
There's obviously something wrong with my Car Radar.
2 weeks running it has shown Killa behind me yet it results in side to side contact.
If I can't trust my tools, I can't be safe in a pack.
Sorry, so it was you again. I thought it was Wally. Have you tried Crewchief? I'm using it and I really like it. He's telling you if there's someone next to you or, when overtaking, once you're clear. I rely on it with a bit of a buffer and it works.
Yeah, the races, in short, Phil has done a great job and I pretty much the opposite. Just couldn't get past him. Tried different lines...then made mistakes...it was frustrating. Then of course other faster cars caught up, passed me easily on the long straight, which meant I lost additional positions. That's all Phil's fault ;-)
However, there was a lot of close racing, which was fun.
Hope I got enough money to get the beemer again.
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Mael on August 21, 2019, 12:42:58 PM
Last night, it was 3 wide, not all exactly lined up side by side, cars moving a little bit tot the side...
That's my point Wally.
Car Radar at no point showed any cars beside me, just 2 (side by side) behind, when I had to take my eyes off it to see my turn in point.

Heliocorsa is still the gold standard in my exalt opinion
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Ablearcher83 on August 21, 2019, 03:20:20 PM
I won't be taking the starts anymore.
There's obviously something wrong with my Car Radar.
2 weeks running it has shown Killa behind me yet it results in side to side contact.
If I can't trust my tools, I can't be safe in a pack.
Sorry, so it was you again. I thought it was Wally. Have you tried Crewchief? I'm using it and I really like it. He's telling you if there's someone next to you or, when overtaking, once you're clear. I rely on it with a bit of a buffer and it works.
Yeah, the races, in short, Phil has done a great job and I pretty much the opposite. Just couldn't get past him. Tried different lines...then made mistakes...it was frustrating. Then of course other faster cars caught up, passed me easily on the long straight, which meant I lost additional positions. That's all Phil's fault ;-)
However, there was a lot of close racing, which was fun.
Hope I got enough money to get the beemer again.

+1 for Crewcheif (spotter) no need to look at radar. So you can keep your eyes on the road.
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Wally on August 21, 2019, 03:20:36 PM
I use Helicorsa and find it shows very accurately what's around me.


He did have the option to do what I did in R1 with you, at least try to pull out.
That's why I spun then, I was fully off the gas, so the rear was light.
From now on I'll just plow through the car in front.
That's the eternal judgement call, isn't it. Whether to pursue the pass or pull out, all decided in the split second heat of the moment. Won't be the first, won't be the last
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: Joe on August 21, 2019, 03:29:31 PM
I also use Helicorsa. Does all I need and never had an issue with it.
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: bradc on August 21, 2019, 08:58:58 PM
Possibly my best night of results in a very long time. Had the races only been 10 laps long each, then I know I would have had a night filled with top 4 finishes. Never the less, as the laps progressed, so to did the faster guys recovering from their early lap dramas. Whilst I didn't move over and wave the white flags as they all caught up to me, I knew that I was taking a knife to a gun fight! Sure it was fun, but in reality my nights results reflected that the fast guys are still fast in very slow cars and snails like me are still snails even when riding in rocketships!
Title: Re: S29R5: Barbagallo
Post by: killagorilla on August 22, 2019, 05:48:21 PM
I wonder what Helicorsa's resolution is, because Car Radar's is 20mm. That's right folks, (barring any other mistakes I happen to make) I am repeatedly driving within 20mm of other cars*#. Judging from encounters with other drivers I would say Helicorsa's margin of error is over a metre and VR users seem to need four or five metres clearance to be safe.


*and that is the actual collider be it accurate or not.
#and of course I am leaving more wiggle room than that, to allow for said mistakes.

20mm, that's fantastic. I watched the replay of us, Wally, Bacchulum and me, going side-by-side. To be honest, I don't really know what to say about it. One thing is clear though, car radar should have indicated me being next to Bacchulum and not behind. I was there one the inside and Bacchulum shut the door pulling in towards the apex. Crewchief would have told him that there's a car to the right. The Nissan is a lot faster there, I saw a gap and went for it...wasn't dive bombing.
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