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Title: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Wally on April 12, 2016, 11:24:24 PM
I'll be away next Tuesday, so if someone else wants to organise some kind of fun run, go ahead.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: marty on April 12, 2016, 11:46:56 PM
I'll be away next Tuesday, so if someone else wants to organise some kind of fun run, go ahead.

I can run a fun run if needed, any suggestions guys? We can gonwith a majority decision or maybe wally can run a poll with a few options.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Wally on April 13, 2016, 12:10:38 AM
How about giving the new Mustang a go?
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: grat on April 13, 2016, 12:13:30 AM
The other day we were discussing how nice the Miura feels now. Perhaps it could be interesting to try it out for some races on one of your servers, Marty, and see how it goes for racing (it is nice to drive, but probably not great for races). Otherwise we might do something silly with the little Abarth oldie Step2.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: marty on April 13, 2016, 09:54:02 AM
Most of the cars do feel quite new, we can run some of the new old stuff like the miura. We did run the other lambos at lucaring between seasons.

We could also have 3 short races in the 3 new cars, the corvette mustang and baby fiat. Probably run them from slowest to fastest on one track, maybe a good mod track we havent raced yet for example Bridgehampton or another of that type of quality others suggest. We coukd even run all 3 cars at once and get people to run 1 race in each and have a mixed grid field.

We could run the Bathurst track too except I dont know if the fiat would make it up the mountain.  ;D
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: grat on April 13, 2016, 10:05:13 AM
Bridgehampton is nice and fun, although fitting some cars better than others. In any case, track should be sandy ;)

Did we try track Poznan. It feels slightly flat at points, but it is really well made graphically and apparently very accurate (did I hear something was laser scanned from top? Btw: what happened to the laserscann project for Baskerville?)
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: marty on April 13, 2016, 10:15:01 AM
Baskerville isnt laserscanned and I hadnt heard of them going that way but maybe you know more there then I do. That is a cool little track though we have ran it in a few fun runs already I think but its a track I do like.

I saw that symmons plains is now in AC. I havent tried it in AC yet but the rf2 version is very good though the screens Ive seen dont seem to do it justice from hiw I remember that version in RF2.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: marty on April 13, 2016, 11:13:16 AM
As I have the morning off, I am just updating the server and will put up Symmons with the 3 new cars and people can give this a run and say if this may be something a few would want to run or we can try other tracks such as Poznan another day. We can do a mixed grid or 3 races with one in each car making the races maybe 15 minutes long each or possibly even shorter as some tend not to want to hang around too long on a fun nite.

Edit: I have put up the server but also just noticed that symmons only has 17 grid spots (why do people make mod tracks with so few grid spots I have no idea) So quite likely if there is a bit of interest for people in a fun run this track will be a no go. Most mid season runs dont get a huge turnout but I think 17 is likely not enough as we dont want people that want to run to miss out.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: grat on April 13, 2016, 11:56:16 AM
Yeah, I was not suggesting Baskerville, just wondering what happened to that project. He talked of a laserscan experiment for a while, e.g. on this page of the thread http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/baskerville-raceway-australia-scratch-built-project-v0-8-released.13822/page-37 .

Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: marty on April 14, 2016, 06:35:47 PM
Seems it may be just Grat and me on the fun run, or everyone loves the current suggestion. So by the looks of it we will run the 3 new cars or the miura as they are the only suggestions. Track wise we havent really picked one but I think Poznan as my choice hasnt got enough grid spots and thats the only other suggestion.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Bacchulum on April 14, 2016, 07:22:20 PM
Riverside is a good scratch track. 8)
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: marty on April 15, 2016, 12:04:02 PM
Riverside is a good scratch track. 8)

I will put that up on the server tonight then and maybe Poznan at some point over the weekend.

I will also trial something new for the practice server as I asked Minolin about a possible whitelist. This will allow me to add all the xgn guys in to the whitelist (assuming it works as its still untested) and then have the server also open to others but only A or B rated guys with minorating.

Currently server is ABCN as not all xgn users may have a rating and some may have dropped down to C grade and N is unrated still. Possibly even on the fun run we can run the server as open to all xgn and AB rated others, this should ensure these others arent hazards and may get some more league exposure plus boost the field size as fun runs rarely get the same numbers as normal season races.

If we use a track with a large grid limit of 30 we may even possibly fill this if 15 or so xgn guys are in and others see its busy so may jump in too.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Gratulin on April 15, 2016, 12:40:48 PM
I do seem to remember someone getting bumped down to C recently  8)
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Bruce on April 15, 2016, 12:46:58 PM
I would vote for Mustangs at Riverside NASCAR.  8)
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: marty on April 15, 2016, 01:44:58 PM
I do seem to remember someone getting bumped down to C recently  8)

Guybrush did manage to do this I recall, not sure if other XGN guys also did but looks like the way it will be implemented is the whitelist will work for all my servers so any XGN user in this whitelist will get access to the practice server and any of my other ones even if they have dropped their grade. My first test is a partial success with the whitelist as I was able to get into the server when restricted to W grade only but with multiple GUID's in the system it currently isnt working but I trust Minolin can sort this little issue out.

I was lucky he had a little spare time to have a go at this for me and possibly even the Thursday nite races could be run this way with a whitelist for xgn and open to whatever MR grades you guys would want beyond that. AB are all pretty solid drivers so shouldnt cause any issues but I have seen some C graders look pretty dodgy but Guybrush is fairly dodgy at whatever grade and he even managed to be in AB earlier.

Trackwise it will be Between Riverside, Bridgehampton and Poznan all depending on how many cars they are set for. Riverside is the most Beta of these and the only one of them I have ran is Bridgehampton which is a top track. I cant remember the grid limit there so that may be the deciding factor between the 3 as Id like to have a min limit of 24 incase we get a few that want a run.

Would you guys prefer just to run the one car as Bruce suggests or do 3 shorter races with all 3 of the latest official cars. The C7R is a nice drive too but just a bit too quick against the mustang, the little abarth could be interesting in its slowness and close racing though we would use the least slow variant.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Bacchulum on April 16, 2016, 03:34:08 PM
I would vote for Mustangs at Riverside NASCAR.  8)
Exactly what I was thinking when I suggested Riverside. 8)
Great minds, hey. :P

I know it's still beta but it still looks better than Black Cat County. :o
(and I've found no bugs yet)
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: marty on April 16, 2016, 03:39:10 PM
I would vote for Mustangs at Riverside NASCAR.  8)
Exactly what I was thinking when I suggested Riverside. 8)
Great minds, hey. :P

I know it's still beta but it still looks better than Black Cat County. :o
(and I've found no bugs yet)

Its been on the server a couple days with all 3 of the new cars, I havent tried it yet but 2 votes one track is a huge majority in this large voting group so will just run that.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Bruce on April 16, 2016, 06:46:59 PM
I would vote for Mustangs at Riverside NASCAR.  8)
Exactly what I was thinking when I suggested Riverside. 8)
Great minds, hey. :P

I know it's still beta but it still looks better than Black Cat County. :o
(and I've found no bugs yet)

1:33s for my test, the Mustang sounds good and handles like a tank on the sliding Esse :)
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Rolz on April 16, 2016, 06:48:06 PM
I'm interested in joining this one :)
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: marty on April 17, 2016, 02:04:06 PM
So after running a few laps in the abarth and the corvette here I will make it 3x 15 minute races in each.

Will start with the slowest the Abarth s2 which will go up early for practice and qualy starting at the regular Tuesday nite time of 8:30 with a 13 minute qualy.

Race distance will be 7 laps with laptimes just under 2 minutes here, its a fun little car to drive here and even though only 3 proper corners is very tricky and going side by side through the esses will need some good driving by both and a fair bit of luck too.

Race 2 in the Ford with a 15 minute qualy, Lap times are just under 1:30 so we will have a 10 lap race in these.

Race 3 in the corvettes 15 min qualy and again a 10 lap race.

If we can get an indication of people that may be interested to see if the server should be limited to XGN people only or also open to other AB rated people.  The track has a grid limit of 24 so if we are close to this number it may be best to keep it just for use but if like many other fun runs and between season runs we dont get anywhere near 24 I would rather leave it open so we can fill the grid.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Rolz on April 17, 2016, 02:09:12 PM
Yup interested and prolly good to leave it open to AB public racers
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: slideways on April 17, 2016, 02:10:06 PM
Yep, I'm in.... ;)
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: grat on April 17, 2016, 02:38:39 PM
I should be there :)
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Phil.8 on April 17, 2016, 02:57:17 PM
me please
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Bruce on April 17, 2016, 03:29:32 PM
Me too please.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: marty on April 17, 2016, 04:59:26 PM
Yup interested and prolly good to leave it open to AB public racers

Being a mod track its also unlikely to have too many public guys come in taking spots from xgn guys. Its only if we are expecting 20 or more xgn people that I would have to not allow any public in.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Rolz on April 17, 2016, 05:05:06 PM
Sorry for silly question, but can someone share track download so I get right one? :)
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: marty on April 17, 2016, 05:15:25 PM
Sorry for silly question, but can someone share track download so I get right one? :)

http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=1387.0  ;)

If that is giving a missmatch then I will need to update the server but I dloaded it just the other day, not sure if its had an update since then.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: slideways on April 17, 2016, 05:23:09 PM
I got it here and joined no probs.
http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/riverside-international-raceway.119388/
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: rob on April 18, 2016, 11:07:07 PM
Count me in please Marty.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Dave O on April 19, 2016, 12:03:18 AM
Should make it also Marty..  ;D
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: marty on April 19, 2016, 08:48:50 AM
With tonight I think I will leave the prac server up as is until it gets reset at 8:30 for the first qualy and race. This will give people a chance to run some laps in any of the cars before hand for practice.

Good to see a few keen for the run but as its not a huge number it will remain open to AB rated guys too beyond the XGN who should all be allowed access via the whitelist. Anyone that cant get intonthe server send me a pm with your guid but I think Ive added all that I have seen on my servers or last season at least. There really havent been many public on the server anyway as this seems a not very well used mod track yet so Id be surprised if many if any join in tonight anyway.

I have also put up a setup for each of the cars in ptracker, they arent anything special just what I used and was able to set competitive times with. For the races you may need to adjust fuel as the setups are likely all fueled for 5 laps only.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Bruce on April 19, 2016, 01:40:07 PM
Thanks Marty.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: slideways on April 19, 2016, 06:13:50 PM
What order are we racing these in? Haven't managed any laps in the "pencil sharpener yet". Keep laughing at how slow it is...like driving a beetle around Nords..... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: marty on April 19, 2016, 06:52:37 PM
What order are we racing these in? Haven't managed any laps in the "pencil sharpener yet". Keep laughing at how slow it is...like driving a beetle around Nords..... ;D ;D ;D

Will be going from slowest to fastest so Abarth, Mustang and finish with the Corvette.

The Abarth is the s2 as in speedy one or less slow at least  ;D it will actually catch out quite a few as its far from stable even at these speeds but once people get the hang of it can produce some silly close racing. Lift through the esses and you will likely end up in the sand but to pass someone you need to lift so I expect some carnage in that race.

The other 2 are a bit more traditional in the way they drive but the wall at the last turn will be lucky to still be standing by the end of the nite.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: slideways on April 19, 2016, 06:56:14 PM
LOL..Yeah, I've experienced side window damage as a result of that wall.... ;)
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Freezer on April 19, 2016, 07:44:46 PM
Hey Marty, might have the night off and make room for someone else.  Enjoy . . . :)
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: marty on April 19, 2016, 08:32:12 PM
Hey Marty, might have the night off and make room for someone else.  Enjoy . . . :)

Everyone is welcome, all xgn people can get in or anyone with minorating of AB.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: marty on April 19, 2016, 10:25:14 PM
Thanks all for a bit of fun tonight, good to do something a bit different.

Here are the Race results for the nite.

http://52.62.170.191:50041/championship

Race Winners were Phil, Marty and Grat with overall points for the nite Phil and Marty tied but stracker is being nice and has put my name ahead as it should. :) with Stan coming in 3rd.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Phil.8 on April 19, 2016, 10:28:50 PM
Thanks all for a bit of fun tonight, good to do something a bit different.

Here are the Race results for the nite.

http://52.62.170.191:50041/championship

Race Winners were Phil, Marty and Grat with overall points for the nite Phil and Marty tied but stracker is being nice and has put my name ahead as it should. :) with Stan coming in 3rd.

was a good night
I think for an up coming Thursday season I am going to do a series of similar fun runs, because it was fun :)
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Gratulin on April 19, 2016, 10:30:18 PM
Good fun tonight. I need to practise with larger fields. Seems that I manage to "stay the distance" when there are smaller fields :(

Practise was interesting with the Corvette and Mustang overtaking the Abarth. Made me think of Brendon Hartley Big Crash 2016 WEC 6 Hours of Silverstone. Would it be feasible to run a season of 2 classes of car? - for example class of GT3's and a class of DTMs? Or similar combo of cars.

https://youtu.be/TJS-em2tFRU
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: marty on April 19, 2016, 10:37:19 PM
Good fun tonight. I need to practise with larger fields. Seems that I manage to "stay the distance" when there are smaller fields :(

Practise was interesting with the Corvette and Mustang overtaking the Abarth. Made me think of Brendon Hartley Big Crash 2016 WEC 6 Hours of Silverstone. Would it be feasible to run a season of 2 classes of car? - for example class of GT3's and a class of DTMs? Or similar combo of cars.

There are supposed to be some LMP cars coming at some point I think, we already do have the c9 and will soon get the 787B as official content. These could race against the Mclaren F1 in a split class or once some modern LMP cars come can race them against lower class gt cars.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Phil.8 on April 19, 2016, 10:37:57 PM
Would it be feasible to run a season of 2 classes of car? - for example class of GT3's and a class of DTMs? Or similar combo of cars.



Could try it on a Thusday after this season and if any good could do a season of it sometime or a series of fun runs with different cars and tracks each week
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Wally on April 20, 2016, 08:48:12 AM
Chuck some ideas in the bucket list thread!
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: StanDaam on April 20, 2016, 09:37:22 AM
I had the funs last night!!  :D
Good racings, got to drive the Stang n Vette and a ride on lawnmower, good times n great rock n roll!!
 :P :P :P
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: grat on April 20, 2016, 10:09:30 AM
I agree: it was a very fun night! Thanks all (and Marty for organizing it)!
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: AJ on April 20, 2016, 11:50:17 AM
Sorry guys. I really need to get the QOS sorted out on my router so the WiFi doesn't completely soak the connection every time it is used.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Phil.8 on April 20, 2016, 12:31:13 PM
Stan is the QOS man. I am sure he will have a story to tell us :)
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: StanDaam on April 20, 2016, 01:04:48 PM
Ha ha!!! My eyes lit up when I saw talk of the Mighty QoS!!
Nasty to research but well worth the journey for sure!! Power to the QoS!! The Wifi's must learn their place!! :D
(I start preparing a goat for you!! ... is all I can do  :P)
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: AJ on April 21, 2016, 12:17:26 AM
Haha thanks Stan.

Unfortunately the standard QoS in this router is really basic and doesn't seem to have any real world effect. I've tried other firmwares on it with varying but ultimately unsatisfactory results.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Gratulin on April 21, 2016, 07:32:49 AM
Haha thanks Stan.

Unfortunately the standard QoS in this router is really basic and doesn't seem to have any real world effect. I've tried other firmwares on it with varying but ultimately unsatisfactory results.
If you have ( or get ) a second wifi router and use that instead for your house wifi you will relegate your house wifi to "just another" Ethernet port equal to your PC Ethernet port. That is a form of physical qos.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Wally on April 21, 2016, 08:32:41 AM
Haha thanks Stan.

Unfortunately the standard QoS in this router is really basic and doesn't seem to have any real world effect. I've tried other firmwares on it with varying but ultimately unsatisfactory results.
If you have ( or get ) a second wifi router and use that instead for your house wifi you will relegate your house wifi to "just another" Ethernet port equal to your PC Ethernet port. That is a form of physical qos.
Can you explain that a little more? Like what connects to what?
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Bird on April 21, 2016, 08:37:17 AM
If I understand correctly:

Router 1 -connects to- internet
Computer -connects into- router 1 (say port 1)
Router 2 -connects into- router 1 (port 2)
wifi -connects into- router 2

So all wifi is handled by router 2.

I'd still love to hear how this helps, though, Gratulin.  Never heard of this doing anything to help with traffic, really.   
I can imagine it helping if you can restrict the ethernet port to a lower throughput than your internet can handle, but otherwise I wouldn't think it will.

Please explain :)
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Gratulin on April 21, 2016, 08:39:45 AM
You turn off the adsl router's wifi. Then you plug a new wifi router into one of the adsl router's Ethernet ports. Make sure the new wifi router is set to bridge mode only. Then plug the PC Ethernet into the adsl router's second Ethernet port (there should be 4 Ethernet LAN ports on the adsl router supplied by your isp. The adsl router now sees two Ethernet ports of equal priority.

Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: AJ on April 21, 2016, 08:43:55 AM
Haha thanks Stan.

Unfortunately the standard QoS in this router is really basic and doesn't seem to have any real world effect. I've tried other firmwares on it with varying but ultimately unsatisfactory results.
If you have ( or get ) a second wifi router and use that instead for your house wifi you will relegate your house wifi to "just another" Ethernet port equal to your PC Ethernet port. That is a form of physical qos.

Makes perfect sense, thanks for the tip. Once I get a job and some money I may have to look into that.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Gratulin on April 21, 2016, 08:52:18 AM
If I understand correctly:

Router 1 -connects to- internet
Computer -connects into- router 1 (say port 1)
Router 2 -connects into- router 1 (port 2)
wifi -connects into- router 2

So all wifi is handled by router 2.

I'd still love to hear how this helps, though, Gratulin.  Never heard of this doing anything to help with traffic, really.   
I can imagine it helping if you can restrict the ethernet port to a lower throughput than your internet can handle, but otherwise I wouldn't think it will.

Please explain :)
The problem with ISP-supplied routers with built in wifi, especially ones with no QoS controls is that they will usually give equal priority to all MAC addresses irrespective of whether or not they are Wifi MACs or Ethernet MACs. Some routers have also been rumoured to give much greater priority to the built-in wifi essentially resulting in the wifi swamping the Ethernet traffic. This last situation is what could be happening in this case. Hence the suggestion to turn off the built in wifi and use an external wifi router.
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Gratulin on April 21, 2016, 08:56:57 AM
Haha thanks Stan.

Unfortunately the standard QoS in this router is really basic and doesn't seem to have any real world effect. I've tried other firmwares on it with varying but ultimately unsatisfactory results.
If you have ( or get ) a second wifi router and use that instead for your house wifi you will relegate your house wifi to "just another" Ethernet port equal to your PC Ethernet port. That is a form of physical qos.

Makes perfect sense, thanks for the tip. Once I get a job and some money I may have to look into that.
Ha! I keep forgetting that these routers are not cheap. I have a neighbour who had endless problems with Telstra ADSL. Every time he reported the problem Telstra sends out a new router. He has 3 brand new routers now. Of course the problem turned out to be the copper wiring in his house :(
Title: Re: Apr 19 - season 11 bye - fun run?
Post by: Bird on April 21, 2016, 03:03:26 PM
The problem with ISP-supplied routers with built in wifi, especially ones with no QoS controls is that they will usually give equal priority to all MAC addresses irrespective of whether or not they are Wifi MACs or Ethernet MACs. Some routers have also been rumoured to give much greater priority to the built-in wifi essentially resulting in the wifi swamping the Ethernet traffic. This last situation is what could be happening in this case. Hence the suggestion to turn off the built in wifi and use an external wifi router.

Thanks mate! 
Makes sense now. I'm always learning new things :)
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