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Title: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on October 17, 2017, 10:06:38 PM
RACE RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2017/10/s19r1-wec-at-silverstone.html)
SEASON STANDINGS (http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=2037.0)

Penalties
None. The start was clean. 1/4 of the way into the first race lap, Bacchulum slid on a kerb on Wellington Straight which resulted in him spinning across the track, which impacted quite a few cars. That had nothing to do with the rolling start procedure - it was just a racing mishap of cold tyres on a slippery kerb - which saw several people end up just being passengers in the unfolding crash.

Round Points

 
NamePointsBonusPos
Matthew111
25
1
Grat
18
1
2
Kcender87
15
3
Diehard
12
4
Wally
10
5
Seanus
8
6
Keith
6
7
Mael
5
8
JamieP
2
9
Bacchulum
0
10
killagorilla
25
1
1
Shayne
18
2
Joe
15
3
rexology
12
4
Rob
10
5
Shameless
8
6
Dave O
6
7
DC
5
8
Jeremy
2
9
Freezer
1
10
Phil.8
0.5
11
Flattop
0
12
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Joe on October 17, 2017, 10:32:22 PM
I didn't do much practice and didn't do any strategy preparation.... this was a mistake!

I took the safe bet of full race fuel, mediums and mediums again on the stop. I saw Shayne and Killa ahead were on softs to I thought they'd be coming in early for mediums and hopefully it would sort itself out but that was not the case when after 35 mins Shayne was still out, and by that time way into the distance.

The mediums seemed to go off after around 20 mins but get to a point where they didn't get any worse though I was losing time. I stopped after I saw Shayne did and came out 10 second or so behind. In the latter part of the race he and Killa were pulling ahead by a second a lap finishing 20+ seconds ahead.

Spent most of the race with with Phil who was a lap down due to the start incident. Just felt like a bit of a Sunday cruise  ;D

The majority of the passing by the LMPs was good. The first time Grat and Kcender passed me was at Village and I had one either side though the turn. Really didn't expect that but saw them coming fast on Helicorsa and adjusted my line to keep to the middle of the track and we all made it thought but seemed unnecessary. Later right at the end was going through maggots and becketts and knew they were behind me but through that fast section I need to keep my line, though Grat jumped down the inside of the right before hanger straight. I had no intention of leaving space there, but saw him just in time and was able to give just enough room for them to both squeeze past. Both incidents could have ended badly but didn't, but from my point of view probably shouldn't have happened.
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Shameless_1 on October 17, 2017, 10:38:34 PM
I had a good setup tweaked for the AMG on softs for the race, a first for me as the joystick chews tyres especially fronts.  I still managed a mid 2:04 so I was happy.  I qualified around 19th but due to the cars crashing in the first lap I was up to 12th. Held on to that position to pit with 35mins to go. Had to repair damage after coming loose and hitting the wall which took longer, came out in 14th, caught up to Rob and was looking for a way past and a good battle until out of nowhere Gratulin came flying in and I had to avoid turning in which threw my line off and I took the ripple strip wrong sending me into the wall and ended up with a car wanting to turn left, a wobbling bonnet and enough damage to lose 2-3 seconds a lap. Then to be caught up between Kcender and Gratulin who were battling position, again trying to force their way through it was 3 a side through a 2nd gear near hairpin and I was stuck in the middle and had to slow right down to give Gratulin some room.. I gave inside room to Kcender thinking Gratulin would follow through, I can't give way to both sides mid corner to exit.

I'm disappointed with some of the LMP drivers forcing their way in where they shouldn't be instead of waiting for a safer place to pass especially when they were not even battling close for a position. I wasn't the only one who experienced, I want to see some penalties introduced to try an stop this from happening. For the most part the majority of the LMP drivers used a little patience and there was no issues for either them or the GT3 cars. Either ballast added or points lost.

Congrats to the winners of both classes.
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on October 17, 2017, 10:41:54 PM
Race results are up....
I'll update with more info...
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on October 17, 2017, 10:55:55 PM
I fear this season is going to be one full of polemics. The speed difference between classes is huge and I do not think I am personally good enough for that. I could handle it decently well for the first 30 minutes or so, but then it was quite chaos. Until the chaos, it was actually a really good race with kcender, though with hindsight I should have bet on him getting a lots of PLP penalties and let him go ;)

Well, good job Matthew. You were the only one of the LMP pack to keep your head cool. I guess in endurance races that's 50% of the job.

Re: shameless. As I said, I am really sorry I shouted at you. Did not mean anything personal. If you watch the reply, you can understand why on the moment I was baffled: after kcender passes you on the right, you keep moving to the left for apparently no reason until the road's margin, sending me on the grass. I perfectly understand you had no clear knowledge I was there and just wanted to create space. In any case this does not justify me shouting at you. So: sorry, really.

PS: I believe Gratulin is innocent ;)

Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: rexology on October 17, 2017, 11:01:55 PM
Thanks Wally as I really enjoyed my first League race and first rolling start.
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Freezer on October 17, 2017, 11:05:03 PM
Learnt a few things tonight.  Firstly don't crash on lap one as that really sucks.  Two, use soft tyres as they are quicker and three, don't start with full fuel . . . you have time to refill.!!
Aside from that, I didn't put a wheel wrong during the rest of the race.  The LMP1's were pretty controlled with their passes although I did have a weird moment with Mael.  He went up the inside under brakes and as I braked a bit deeper down the outside of his car it  suddenly shot forward and spun him despite their being no actual contact!  Weird.
Anyway it can only get better from here... :)
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on October 17, 2017, 11:11:05 PM
My Audi felt rock solid and consistent, very easy to drive.

My start was OK, missing the Bacchulum crash, and soon settling into a rythm chasing Mael closely. His car was warping about quite a bit, which was offputting. I was thinking he was going to warp into me at any moment. We had one interesting moment when we both caught up to Shameless and both tried to apply boost at the same time to pass. I was in front so came out OK, but it looked like Mael ended up going off the track and possibly hitting the wall. Soon after that Mael seemed to drop off the radar, and I ended up circulating between Diehard and Seanus, never really seeing either of them but passing lots of GT3s. I don't know if I'll ever be able to keep with the likes of Grat, Kcender, Matthew and Diehard, but we'll see.

I found the GT3s pretty easy to pass provided I was patient and sucked up a bit of what seemed like "snail pace" driving until I had a good stretch of clear track to pass on. What worked best for me was when the GT3 drivers just stuck to their predictable race line, as I knew after so many laps where all the good passing spots were.
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on October 17, 2017, 11:12:09 PM
Thanks Wally as I really enjoyed my first League race and first rolling start.
Good to hear. You're off to a good start in the standings :)
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: kcender87 on October 17, 2017, 11:15:42 PM
Enjoyed that - once everyone gets used to the speed differentials it should be great - stress of battling after an hour on old tyres while trying not to lose Grat who has a billion hp on the straights while overcoming traffic takes some focus but is damn good fun - if only I had have read my own abbreviations correctly I would have added 15 L(aps) of fuel not 15 L(itres) and would have overcome all those PLP penalties :P Surely its still track until its wall and/or grandstand right.....? :P

On that - what is the sign I should be getting and where would it be in VR (I have to look around even for flags :P) to tell me im cutting?

Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on October 17, 2017, 11:38:45 PM
...overcome all those PLP penalties :P Surely its still track until its wall and/or grandstand right.....? :P

On that - what is the sign I should be getting and where would it be in VR (I have to look around even for flags :P ) to tell me im cutting?
The warnings come up within the actual PLP app and you also see a flag icon near the top of the screen. I have no idea how that translates to VR. You should see text within the app itself such as "warnings: 1/3" in VR, right? It might depend on where you actually position the app.
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Shayne on October 17, 2017, 11:39:01 PM
On that - what is the sign I should be getting and where would it be in VR (I have to look around even for flags :P) to tell me im cutting?

There's a 0/3 Warning thingy that you can place where ever you want, there's also a red dot thing that appears if you've gone off track. If you enter back onto the track whilst that red dot is still showing then you'll get a warning. On the 4th warning you get the penalty then it starts again.

If you look through the PLP forum topic, wally has listed some updates implemented throughout the versions. One of the big things you need to understand about it, is that once you go offtrack, you won't get a warning straight away, you'll get it once you come back on a racing surface without slowing down. So make sure you slow down enough before entering back onto the track to avoid warning for little offtracks.

The problem with Silverstone, is that there's some corners where there's a bit of grass and then further offtrack is more tarmac that the app considers to be racing track. I got a couple warning tonight for missing a corner and not getting the chance to slow down because a split second later I'm back on a racing surface.

I also run with VR, and I have the warning thing sitting kinda of on the bonnet, so it's very clear when that red dot pops up I know I need to slow down before re-entering.
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on October 17, 2017, 11:40:51 PM
...and just for fun, I assigned everyone to a team, a pair of drivers usually in the same make of car, which you can see in the standings (http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=2037.msg39699#msg39699).

For the new guys, it's just for a bit of fun. You can ignore it, or you can share setup tips, or at least try not to crash into your teammate :)
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Shameless_1 on October 17, 2017, 11:44:29 PM
I fear this season is going to be one full of polemics. The speed difference between classes is huge and I do not think I am personally good enough for that. I could handle it decently well for the first 30 minutes or so, but then it was quite chaos. Until the chaos, it was actually a really good race with kcender, though with hindsight I should have bet on him getting a lots of PLP penalties and let him go ;)

Well, good job Matthew. You were the only one of the LMP pack to keep your head cool. I guess in endurance races that's 50% of the job.

Re: shameless. As I said, I am really sorry I shouted at you. Did not mean anything personal. If you watch the reply, you can understand why on the moment I was baffled: after kcender passes you on the right, you keep moving to the left for apparently no reason until the road's margin, sending me on the grass. I perfectly understand you had no clear knowledge I was there and just wanted to create space. In any case this does not justify me shouting at you. So: sorry, really.

PS: I believe Gratulin is innocent ;)

It wasn't taken personally Gratulin, my car was damaged and wanted to go left on its own, I was struggling to give Kcender room and keep my car turning steadily, but as you were in my blind spot I thought you were following him so i kept to the left as much as I could until I saw you in my mirror. I was annoyed at you for the othe incident where I ended up in the wall in the middle of a battle for position with Rob though :P
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Shayne on October 17, 2017, 11:50:44 PM
This might blow your mind, but Grat and Gratulin are two different people.
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on October 18, 2017, 12:03:52 AM
This might blow your mind, but Grat and Gratulin are two different people.
Ahahahah!
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Shameless_1 on October 18, 2017, 12:17:47 AM
This might blow your mind, but Grat and Gratulin are two different people.

It's just a habit when I type Grat I always type out Gratulin.. I don't think I've ever called him Grat.. subconsciously do it.
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Jeremy on October 18, 2017, 06:24:33 AM
Wasn't the night I was hoping for. Got caught up in the first lap incident, there was an lmp1 car rolling across the track and tried to avoid it to no avail. Engine was gone so had to quit and sit in the pits with the rest of them that got caught up. I came out the pits and decided to plot along pace was pretty good I ended up catching Shayne and Killagorilla had fun trying to unlaped myself against them which I did end up doing but made a small mistake letting Matthew pass and they once again got past. With 20min to go I decided just to sit behind them and let them battle it out for the win.

In regards to the passing of lmp1 cars on gt3s I found myself giving them to much room and got a few cuts from that. In saying that I just watched out for blue flags and made clear early calls on where I was going to position the car and thus never had a drama. Of course there will be spots on some tracks where it's single file but that's the nature of the game.
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Gratulin on October 18, 2017, 07:05:56 AM
This might blow your mind, but Grat and Gratulin are two different people.

It's just a habit when I type Grat I always type out Gratulin.. I don't think I've ever called him Grat.. subconsciously do it.
And I spent the night rebuilding Windows 10 and re-installing AC on my PC.
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: killagorilla on October 18, 2017, 07:51:53 AM
That thing turned out pretty much perfect for me. Wouldn't have thought ending up on pole as especially DC seemed to be out of reach based on his lap times in practise.
I was lucky getting passed the two LMP1's at the start and the race went well from thereafter apart from the spin which got me on P2. However, that favour was returned so I went into the pits on P1. Yeah, the pitstop...it was pathetic. Must have gone in too slow so Shayne behind me was going right through me before we turned right onto start-finish straight. Then I missed my pits, had to reverse, went too far and at the 3rd try I finally made it. It must have looked pretty funny for someone watching this...like, what the hell is this guy doing there ;-)
The result was, I lost a lot of time and two positions in the pits.
Racing with the LMP1's was ok for me. I tried to be predictable. Didn't want to be rude when I was going there in the middle of the road, but I just thought, stay where you are and let them decide where to pass you.
Reg. cars, looks made me go for the Lambo when the choice was narrowed down to the Beamer & Lamborghini. Well, actually, the best looking car is the GT-R anyway ;-) but I just couldn't get rid of its understeer unfortunately.
I was very impressed by the time Phil squeezed out of the Ferrari in practise.
Cheers everyone. It was good to have Shayne around going pretty much the same pace :-)
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on October 18, 2017, 08:08:55 AM
This might blow your mind, but Grat and Gratulin are two different people.
Ahahahah!
Gratulin is Grat's son, I reckon. "Gratulin" means "little Grat" :-X
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on October 18, 2017, 09:52:33 AM
This might blow your mind, but Grat and Gratulin are two different people.

It's just a habit when I type Grat I always type out Gratulin.. I don't think I've ever called him Grat.. subconsciously do it.
And I spent the night rebuilding Windows 10 and re-installing AC on my PC.
That's rotten timing. I can't say I've seen a driver update have such drastic consequences before.
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: kcender87 on October 18, 2017, 11:48:35 AM
On that - what is the sign I should be getting and where would it be in VR (I have to look around even for flags :P) to tell me im cutting?

I also run with VR, and I have the warning thing sitting kinda of on the bonnet, so it's very clear when that red dot pops up I know I need to slow down before re-entering.

I see now the issue is that i didnt have any apps open....next time - of course just staying on track would help too but chasing the 919 means my diesel needs all the help it can get :P
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on October 18, 2017, 02:26:10 PM
well for my first time racing with cars so vastly different speed, I now know why I don't watch FIA World Endurance Cup and  I cant understand why it is even a thing to be honest
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Bacchulum on October 18, 2017, 02:34:45 PM
well for my first time racing with cars so vastly different speed, I now know why I don't watch FIA World Endurance Cup and  I cant understand why it is even a thing to be honest
It's a thing because it's the first type of motor racing.
Way back when there weren't enough of one type of car to fill a field, and some like to hang onto history. :-X

And if you want 'vastly different speeds', check out the latest craze of 'çircuit safaris', where they drive a tour bus around the track during practice! :o
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Mael on October 18, 2017, 02:41:19 PM
And if you want 'vastly different speeds', check out the latest craze of 'çircuit safaris', where they drive a tour bus around the track during practice! :o

That sound cool! I would be willing to fork out a bit of cash for a seat  ;D
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: rooshooter on October 18, 2017, 03:00:37 PM
And if you want 'vastly different speeds', check out the latest craze of 'çircuit safaris', where they drive a tour bus around the track during practice! :o

That sound cool! I would be willing to fork out a bit of cash for a seat  ;D
I'd love to do that  ;D.
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Bruce on October 18, 2017, 03:59:03 PM
well my first foray on track for quite some time, just a mere 10 seconds slower than my fellow Nissan driver, but I was 16th at one point, just as my "puff" was running out.
Well those LMPs are amazingly fast, it as almost as if lag spike has sent them past you!  I hope all the faster/lapping cars were able to negiate me okay, I don't believe I was in the way.

Thanks for run, but if I am a problem, you let me know!
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Bruce on October 18, 2017, 04:01:10 PM
Just checked the results, "IF" I could have hung on I may have had a 13th position finish!  :-X
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on October 18, 2017, 04:09:14 PM
No problem at all Bruce. I passed you without any hassles.
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: buellersdayoff on October 18, 2017, 06:02:01 PM
Dang...I missed all the fun. If you've got some spare time watch some of the on board classics at nurburgring, these guys are crazy dodging traffic at nurburgring https://www.youtube.com/user/RACEMEDIATV
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on October 18, 2017, 07:08:27 PM
And if you want 'vastly different speeds', check out the latest craze of 'çircuit safaris', where they drive a tour bus around the track during practice! :o

That sound cool! I would be willing to fork out a bit of cash for a seat  ;D
I'd love to do that  ;D.

me as well
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: JamieP on October 18, 2017, 08:51:41 PM
I turned my first laps in anger with the Audi in the half hour leading up to the race. Was just interested in getting a good race setup and making the car pretty forgiving to drive. I felt by the end of practice I'd achieved that and was looking forward to the race. I did enjoy the rolling start but the first lap incident was a little frustrating but that's racing. I thought the 5 min penalty was a bit rough but it's a game thing and can't be changed. I made myself a drink, re-grouped and just set out to understand the car better. I was pretty happy with the race pace of the car and there was definitely more in it. I think I did my best lap in the last few laps of the race but still some tuning to do yet.

Just a note to the GT cars, stay on line so it's more predictable and when we pass coming into a slow corner and please dont try and stick it back up the inside again, happened twice into the slow chicane and I went off track to avoid the collision since I was a few laps down anyway.

All things considered, it was a fun night and bring on next week.

Condolences to Kcender for being paired up with me......I think you'll be getting the bulk of the points for us
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: kcender87 on October 18, 2017, 09:15:00 PM
I turned my first laps in anger with the Audi in the half hour leading up to the race. Was just interested in getting a good race setup and making the car pretty forgiving to drive. I felt by the end of practice I'd achieved that and was looking forward to the race. I did enjoy the rolling start but the first lap incident was a little frustrating but that's racing. I thought the 5 min penalty was a bit rough but it's a game thing and can't be changed. I made myself a drink, re-grouped and just set out to understand the car better. I was pretty happy with the race pace of the car and there was definitely more in it. I think I did my best lap in the last few laps of the race but still some tuning to do yet.

Just a note to the GT cars, stay on line so it's more predictable and when we pass coming into a slow corner and please dont try and stick it back up the inside again, happened twice into the slow chicane and I went off track to avoid the collision since I was a few laps down anyway.

All things considered, it was a fun night and bring on next week.

Condolences to Kcender for being paired up with me......I think you'll be getting the bulk of the points for us

nah ---- ill flick you some Team Rollin' Coal setups and we shall blitz the field!
Title: Re: S19R1: Silverstone Post-Race Chat
Post by: Matthew111 on October 20, 2017, 08:23:37 PM
Was quite a interesting race with the strengths and weaknesses of the cars putting on a good race, the Toyota wasn't that strong here with its lack of power so wasn't expecting much of a result lol, but after I managed to pull away from the battle with diehard in the early laps of the race I was able to just keep out of trouble and bang out consistent laps on the med tyres while the leaders were on softs which I thought was odd until I saw them pit twice which wasn't needed with the Toyota as its quite good on fuel and all of a sudden I was right with the leaders for the race win. Was pretty cool to see us all come together in different ways at the race end and surprisingly I was able to grab grat for what I knew was the effective lead after kcenders penalties lol so was pretty happy with all that :D

Lapped traffic was fine, the LMP cars have so much more grip you can pretty much put it anywhere and it sticks so the gt cars shouldn't worry much and just stick to there normal racing lines and pace, also just because a car is by itself on the track doesn't mean it isn't trying to do some solid laps to make a strategy work so don't be fooled lol
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