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Title: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Wally on March 24, 2015, 11:28:47 PM
Grid for this race:

Bafs17
Freezer
G0RGAK
Gratulin
Grubbet
Jeremy
Joe
Krahl
Marty
Matthew111
Perch
Rob
Rolz
Shameless
Simone
StanDaam
UnFknBLievable
Vipergod
Wally
Whitemoo
Wobblyone
Ysu

Room for 2 reserves
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Wobblyone on March 25, 2015, 10:24:12 AM
Going to be a Ferrari track you think?
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: marty on March 25, 2015, 10:36:33 AM
There are no Ferrari tracks really they will be slower laptime wise every track vs the dtm. But in a race they may be even harder to pass then they were at Nurburgring with a couple longer straights. Still unlikely to be able to catch and pass a dtm if behind one.

If I wanted the fastest car and easiest to win races in the Alfa is surely the one at each track.  ;)
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: StanDaam on March 25, 2015, 11:01:55 AM
Unless we went to the Mighty Monza 1966!!  :D
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Wobblyone on March 25, 2015, 11:32:24 AM
Mercedes and Alfa easiest to drive for sure....which is why I picked it lol....altho to get the last second or so out of them is hard...well for me anyway
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: marty on March 25, 2015, 12:16:54 PM
Yea no car is easy to drive fast but there is only so much you can get out of them. I didnt do enough laps in the dtm's to really get everything out of them but was still 3 seconds faster then I was in the 458 with 2.10.1 vs 2.13.0 and needing to push much harder in the 458 just to have any hope. The f40 I was only .3 slower then in the 458 but the taller gearing in that made it even more vulnerable to the quicker cars.

I kind of got used to the handicap seasons and not choosing the fastest option does mix the racing up a bit. I really enjoyed driving the lotus elise against the quicker street cars in a season needing to wring its neck to squeeze every 10th out of it to have any chance of competing.

The only car in the field I think has very little hope is the bmw grp A. Pushing very hard in that was getting a low 2.15 at nurburg and it is also quite slow in a straight line so not much going for that car in this field even though I think it was the most fun to drive at the limit just a shame its limit is so slow.

The KTM, F40 and 458 all can get quite similar times, if it wasnt racing against dtm cars I would have rather had the f40 as its much more fun to drive then the 458.
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Wobblyone on March 25, 2015, 12:29:27 PM
Yea I think anyone competing in the bmw is a hero as its a dog..which is a shame cos on r factor touring car legends it was a match for 190 and great fun to drive...and u gotta love the John Player Special livery :)

I really think the bonus points should be run for this series as its unfair the dtm really have the legs...altho my lap times were only averaging 12.5 to 13 in the races so if the 458 could do consistent 13,s u would hope they would get by on the straights and be reasonably close but obviously not.

If u didn't do much in the dtm and managed 10.1 I'm glad ur in the Ferrari ;). Shame no option for slick selection on the Ferrari would change the game I think.

If I could of got the ktm to be as stable under braking as the merc I'd of picked that tbh

Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Bird on March 25, 2015, 12:43:02 PM
Unless we went to the Mighty Monza 1966!!  :D

I wish :D
Or LeMans. 

Or really any old track w/o chicanes and other sharp-corner nasties. ;)  I think the old zandi would work, too.  Maybe even the old hockenheim.
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: mooface on March 25, 2015, 01:02:54 PM
Yea I think anyone competing in the bmw is a hero as its a dog

Yea a huge fat slow dog that seems to go around corners well. Its the XGN Toyota 86 hehehe!

I recall i was admist a pack of 458's in race one, was gaining ground in the corners, but given a straight line shows how really underpowered these cars are to the rest of the field.

Not complaining or anything, as i do want up my skill with these cars, bring on silverstone!
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Wobblyone on March 25, 2015, 01:17:31 PM
Best series I ever raced in the AE86 cup with r factor loved it....anyone remember Enna pergosa from the original GTR game...now that was a track...wonder if anyone modded it for R factor Or AC really fast with tyre chicanes you took flat out  that murdered your car if u got it wrong...mmm the 599 there was legendary
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: marty on March 25, 2015, 01:28:10 PM
Yea I think anyone competing in the bmw is a hero as its a dog..which is a shame cos on r factor touring car legends it was a match for 190 and great fun to drive...and u gotta love the John Player Special livery :)

The m3 e30 dtm would be more of match, just that before v 1.1 it was quicker then the alfa times now but has been slowed a bit it seems since 1.1. Now the e30 dtm is much closer to the merc but I think its trickier to drive then the grp A and not quite as much fun. I think they slowed the e30 dtm to reflect the Alfa's dominance over it when they raced together.

The grp A was always about 3 or more seconds a lap slower then the dtm e30.
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Matthew111 on March 25, 2015, 02:27:05 PM
Yea I think anyone competing in the bmw is a hero as its a dog..which is a shame cos on r factor touring car legends it was a match for 190 and great fun to drive...and u gotta love the John Player Special livery :)

The m3 e30 dtm would be more of match, just that before v 1.1 it was quicker then the alfa times now but has been slowed a bit it seems since 1.1. Now the e30 dtm is much closer to the merc but I think its trickier to drive then the grp A and not quite as much fun. I think they slowed the e30 dtm to reflect the Alfa's dominance over it when they raced together.

The grp A was always about 3 or more seconds a lap slower then the dtm e30.

Which is a shame because before the update it was just as quick as the merc maybe a tad slower which is how it actually was in real life, it would of made for some great racing between the two and as we saw last night the alfa would of still had its advantage over them as it should being a class 1 DTM so the universe would have been a nice and balanced place but nooooo lol really annoys me what they did to the BMW dtm...
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Wobblyone on March 25, 2015, 04:32:02 PM
I gotta admit I hate the Alfa 4wd feel but there is no denying its grunt out of the corners...and personally it is easier to get constantly quicker times over the merc without having to focus as much...but no denying the merc is far more satisfying to drive...but being an ex racer I'll take a car I hate that's quicker than a car I love..yea I'm that shallow lol.
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Joe on March 26, 2015, 08:39:37 PM
Was just going to try learning this track on the practise server but seems its not running?
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Wally on March 26, 2015, 09:18:38 PM
Was just going to try learning this track on the practise server but seems its not running?
We're using it for Thursday fun run. Jump in!
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Joe on March 26, 2015, 10:47:10 PM
Was just going to try learning this track on the practise server but seems its not running?
We're using it for Thursday fun run. Jump in!

Ah didn't see it as it didn't start with AUS. Never mind. Got a few laps done in practise mode.
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Wally on March 26, 2015, 10:51:36 PM
Was just going to try learning this track on the practise server but seems its not running?
We're using it for Thursday fun run. Jump in!

Ah didn't see it as it didn't start with AUS. Never mind. Got a few laps done in practise mode.

I've got it back up for Tuesday practice. I normally just filter servers by "XGN".
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: marty on March 27, 2015, 12:23:47 AM
There will also be one of my servers setup with the league cars, look for Marty's server and you should find it. These are open to public but I do ban any real bad drivers so can get some decent racing in there. I think its setup for the same distance as the race nite plus there is Stracker stats for all my servers here.

http://52.64.34.231:50041/sessionstat
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Joe on March 27, 2015, 09:01:58 PM
Can't reach my keyboard from where I play so don't usually filter but now I've bound one of my wheel buttons to 'xgn Marty' so should be sorted going forward  :)
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: marty on March 28, 2015, 03:40:26 PM
Since Wally has put the practice server back up and has incorporated the blacklist from mine Im not also going to have the same one running. I can run 5 servers off my one dedicated so instead changed that to a different combination. There are always 5 up but normally at peak times only one of them may fill up, I do mix up the combinations a little every day or so but keep up something similar to what tends to be busiest.
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on March 29, 2015, 08:55:28 PM
I get a checksum error when trying to join the practice server,  validated game and no problems there
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Joe on March 29, 2015, 10:30:45 PM
I've been on it all evening with no issues. Maybe you're on the backlist  ;D
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Wally on March 29, 2015, 10:47:37 PM
I get a checksum error when trying to join the practice server,  validated game and no problems there

Hmmm, I seem to remember updating all of the track data on the server just recently. You could try deleting your silverstone-international/data/surfaces.ini (which is what the checksum checks) and verify your local content.
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on March 30, 2015, 10:35:26 AM
I've been on it all evening with no issues. Maybe you're on the backlist  ;D

LOL quite possible :)
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: marty on March 30, 2015, 12:23:11 PM
I havent been on the server yet will try tonight. Ive had no issues on any of mine but I normally update the server data whenever there is a game update but I dont think there has even been one since the last round.
Title: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Gratulin on March 30, 2015, 12:46:15 PM
Are you running the Logitech Profiler? If so then it should be used to detect the G27.

Re skins. Blame Wally. He keeps changing cars on us ;)
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on March 30, 2015, 07:52:30 PM
I get a checksum error when trying to join the practice server,  validated game and no problems there

Hmmm, I seem to remember updating all of the track data on the server just recently. You could try deleting your silverstone-international/data/surfaces.ini (which is what the checksum checks) and verify your local content.

I have just done that but still getting checksum error
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on March 30, 2015, 07:56:37 PM
Its the xbow,  I can join with other cars
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Wally on March 30, 2015, 08:38:34 PM
Its the xbow,  I can join with other cars

I've updated the car data and restarted the server. Try again.
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: marty on March 30, 2015, 10:27:08 PM
I saw Krahl in the XBOW so seems all fixed, will be interesting as the 458 is giving up still a fair bit of time if going by the RSR records.  ;D

(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/8461/4mviqt8p3poz6017g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?4mviqt8p3poz601)
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Rolz on March 30, 2015, 10:37:33 PM
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/8461/4mviqt8p3poz6017g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?4mviqt8p3poz601)

Between you and GB, if I'm keeping you visible on my screen I know I'm not doing to badly at this sim  :o
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: marty on March 30, 2015, 11:16:51 PM
Im just lucky GB is still away and Darren's Rift still isnt race ready.  ;D If Im lucky I will get 1 podium tomorrow but had a fun race with Wobbly and Stan just then holding them off over 5 laps. If the 458 gets close enough it will be quite a nuisance to the DTM's possibly as its a rocket up the back straight.
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Wobblyone on March 30, 2015, 11:27:57 PM
Yea that 458 hangs around like a bad case of the clap ;). I'm just glad Marty isn't in a Alfa lol
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: marty on March 31, 2015, 12:33:44 AM
Here is a screen grab from one of the practice races crossing the line on the second last lap, with Stan DTM, Me 458 and Wobbly in the Alfa. Rather close here but the 458 has just enough grunt to get to the line first which is not a bad thing.  ;)

(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/5d84/5bbdmbwc8ccbiqd6g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?5bbdmbwc8ccbiqd)
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Wobblyone on March 31, 2015, 12:49:55 AM
Great shot....didn't realise we were that close...glad I had my eyes closed.  Please don't show the shot where I ram stan after pouring beer don't my crotch ;)
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Wally on March 31, 2015, 07:25:08 AM
Great finish!
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: StanDaam on March 31, 2015, 08:53:02 AM
Ha ha, top shot Marty!!
I was very happy last night!!  ;D (errr... back to the racing discussion)
My first foray out to multiplayer after re-installing windows n steam over the weekend, my connection seemed solid. Had some wicked fights with Marty n Wobbly and AusMike, very tight, very close, very happy, hoping it stays solid for tonights racings  :D
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Bird on March 31, 2015, 09:01:46 AM
I could only squeeze out a 1:12 from the F40 in the half an hour praccy yesternight.  But even the wr is a mid-11, so yeah, I'll be comfortably near the rear :)

Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: marty on March 31, 2015, 09:27:29 AM
Bird 1.12 is only .5 off my time and if you can get race pace around there it wont be far off the pointy end. The dtm guys will either need to go harder tyres and likely lose a second per lap overall or use the softer ones and fall off the cliff the last few laps. The 458 is fine over the race distance on tyres and f40 likely the same.

If you can stay close to any other car getting onto the back straight its quite likely you will pass it too as the ferraris have a nice speed advantage there.
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Bird on March 31, 2015, 09:36:45 AM
Sorry; let me rephrase that.  My pb was something mid-12, and it was a pb on edge.  The regular laptime was closer to a mid-13. :)
Also; the F40 is not tyre friendly.   Or my driving style.  Or both :)  It does feel a bit sloppier after a few laps.

But my biggest issue is that I need to get used to using some curbs that you simply can't use in racecars; eg T1, the corner to the back straight, and even the last corner combo.  And I've raced this track enough in racecars that I need a complete new mindset now :)

Funnily the exit curb on the s/f straight is not good for health, even in this car.
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Joe on March 31, 2015, 09:56:48 AM
I got a 1:12.7 in the 458 last night and a 5 lap race where every lap was in the 1:13s. Pretty happy with that 3 or 4 weeks into sim racing. Am sure the tips from WobblyOne helped, cheers dude!

My screen freezing issue did appear again and seems it was that I had an older version of Helicorsa that was causing it. Put the latest version on and no issues. Hope that is the end of it now, been dragging on for weeks....
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: marty on March 31, 2015, 10:00:23 AM
T1 is still an odd turn and I need to slow a bit as running wide on exit loses lots of time needing to lift more for t2 or run wide there and then also get out of position for t3.The 458 can take a fair bit of kerb there but can get silly loose at times off it so probably safer with slower entry and less kerb for pretty much the same delta and less risk of losing lots of time.

In this thing t1 to 3 and 3 to 6 are all very much connected get out of position on one of them and you lose lots of time by the last part of it. Mess up 1 and I can be chasing the car all the way until exit of6, so for me 1 is more critical to stay in control then to get the last fraction of a second out of it.

The end of the lap is much the same with the last 3 turns setup by the slow left hander. Then trying to get it in a slight drift for the last 2 to avoid understeering wide but also not too much drift to lose the exit speed onto the main straight. Mess up the first part and who knows how the car will come out onto the straight but its quite a fun layout in this car due to these flowing corners.

The Alfa is also far from easy to go quick here but its just got that traction out of slow corners thanks to its 4wd which gives it the large lap time advantage. It needs to dial out any understeer but I was driving it like a rally car keeping it loose to avoid getting the dreaded understeer and its quite fun to drive once setup well. I cant share my setup for that as its already enough of an advantage for the guys in it.  ;) The 458 I just maxed cambers and adjusted pressures to balance them out once hot at around 34 to 35.

Slight negative toe at the front but not much you can do setup wise with this car, it also needs all the road and takes up 1 and a half lanes on most exits as its prone to being sideways on exits.
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Wobblyone on March 31, 2015, 11:12:45 AM
No worries Joe...glad to help, if u are getting those times a few weeks into sim racing u will be a alien in a year lol.

Totally agree with martys comments this is a track where if u push to hard on the key corners if affects you for many corners after with your inability to get the right line or exit speed....Marty blitzed me in his Alfa test setup, he is running different gearing and just cruised away..strangely I tried his gearing and can't drive it as it puts me in the wrong rev band and gears for the corners....on tyres I'm not sure what to do..I can get 7 or 8 good laps In the 10's on softs so might go for the blitz then wobble strategy lol
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: marty on March 31, 2015, 12:57:39 PM
I wonder how you knew what gearing I was running? as when you asked what gearing I was running, I did say the stock gearing in the 458 as I cant change it.  I didnt mention what the Alfa setup was :)
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
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Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Wobblyone on March 31, 2015, 04:24:54 PM
Shhhh stan...

On your Alfa gearing u were running the next ratio, either that or a spare 7 speed 458 box lol,  Just need to get into your garage when you are eating a burger :)
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: marty on March 31, 2015, 05:00:12 PM
I just find it funny you considered I was using taller ratios yet getting better acceleration. I was using the tallest possible gearing with positive front camber and max tyre pressures. I really didnt want to give any help to the Alfa guys but I just want to help you all do as well as possible.
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Wobblyone on March 31, 2015, 05:37:53 PM
Lol I was just saying my times are quicker bouncing off the limiter in top before my braking marker than you running different ratios the Alfa pipes flash on gear changes so u can see when u change gear...we were doing similar PB times on very different gearing that's all I was trying to say...ratios are very different and I think the alfas torque curve helps with the taller gearing, I just can't drive it well enough to use that gearing unless using it as. 5 speed box maybe?
Title: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Gratulin on March 31, 2015, 07:17:06 PM
Really helpful discussion re gear ratios on the Alfa - thanks! I am running same ratios as Wobbly but wasn't sure if that was the correct approach but I was getting my best times that way. Marty's approach should be quick but I have trouble getting the pace through the corners with the different gears. Also, I have dropped tire pressures - seemed to help.

Where's Guybrush when you need him!!
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: marty on March 31, 2015, 07:33:48 PM
I guess the taller ratios work better when the car is in a 4 wheel drift into most corners giving it some gas to  keep up the rpm. Looking at my top speed on RSR in the Alfa of 233 vs Wobbly at 227 on stracler being on the limiter is hurting a bit at the end of the straight. The top speed will also be very dependant on the exit coming onto the straight but I cant say that I felt like I was in the wrong gears for the turns.

Maybe I am even a bit taller then you guys but I didnt really apend heaps of time in the car or on the setup just wanted to see how far behind it I was in the 458.

If GB was here I highly doubt he would have taken an alfa and most likely hed be in the f40. Id take the f40 if there werent dtm cars but the 458 gearing just makes it a bit more useable at more tracks then the f40.
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Bird on March 31, 2015, 10:11:56 PM
Hey Marty, sorry for that last accident, but I had no way of anticipating you there - I've checked on the replay as well, to be sure, and you were just barely there, 5cm overlap, tops :)  And that's the blind spot for me.

Good fun races, I've enjoyed driving in the pack, holding up people regularly :D
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: marty on March 31, 2015, 10:29:55 PM
No problems Bird Im just not having much luck this season with 3 DNF's out of 6 races lol. Only 2 times Ive had contact and both times ruined front suspension which is pointless to continue with or bother driving to pits repairing then being more then a lap down. First round I hit a warper that totatled my car completly and this bang made the left front pretty bent. Race 1 I was just hanging in there and a couple laps to go a friend decided he needed something from behind the computer and managed to pull a monitor cable out blacking out my screen.

I didnt expect you to turn in so hard and not much I could do about it as it was a pretty aggressive turn in with that traffic but chit happens. Seeing replay from your car I cant see mine either but I saw you pretty clearly and just didnt expect you to dive into the apex like that from the outside on lap 1.
Title: Re: S6R2: Silverstone International Race Chat
Post by: Wobblyone on April 01, 2015, 01:11:57 AM
Yea totally agree grat...it didn't feel natural to me but the gears were perfect everywhere else..so kinda accepted the valve bounce on the straights lol
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