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Title: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Wally on January 06, 2021, 09:37:01 AM
Bueller and Killa get their seasons off to a flying start with a win apiece, seeing them tied at the top of the season ladder.

RACE 1 RESULTS (https://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2021/01/s36r1-hockenheimring-race-1.html)
RACE 2 RESULTS (https://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2021/01/s36r1-hockenheimring-race-2.html)

SEASON STATS (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nu52lWM6_TIRBEGCTF32BxLe8mobfsCFpd_wOeuxpXI/edit?usp=sharing)

Round Points
killagorilla   35
buellersdayoff   35
ab156   22
Joe   18
Dietmar Raath   13
Wally   11
Freezer   8
Dave O   8
Phil.8   7
AGK   5
Rob   2
JamieP   2
bradc   2
Bacchulum   2
AbleArcher83   2

Penalties
Race 1
AbleArcher hit bradc in the rear corner in a tight corner, but I don’t think it was clearly anyone’s fault. AbleArcher was braking slowly up the inside; bradc turned in on him a bit (on the racing line) – racing incident.

Race 2
JamieP cannonballed into the back of AbleArcher – 60 kg penalty ballast for next race.


Season Standings
1. killagorilla & buellersdayoff, 35
2. ab156, 22
3. Joe, 18



The season opener is two sprints of 16 laps at Hockenheimring (GP).
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Alphonso_Timmins on January 09, 2021, 06:28:05 PM
This track eats tyres! Quite enjoyable to learn though
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: killagorilla on January 10, 2021, 12:54:29 PM
Wow...BMW is pretty fast there. Done some laps myself. It's a great layout...some fun high speed turns and it seems the long straight is a good spot for passes. Softs are getting pretty hot on the Alfa...don't know if you can make it through a race on them. Is the beemer gonna make it on softs?
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: bradc on January 10, 2021, 04:58:21 PM
I hear ya Killa, I did some laps in the Mercedes last night and I was pretty happy to choose that until I tried the little Bimmer and WOW what a difference that car is :o
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Alphonso_Timmins on January 10, 2021, 06:03:30 PM
I gave the Merc a few laps to see what times I could pull. Looks to be roughly the same as the BMW, and a more balanced car overall. I prefer the BMW though, as it feels so good when you get a section nailed

As for making the softs last.. well, that I'm not sure about as I haven't done 16 laps in a row yet. Depends if the grip stabilises, or drops off a cliff. I usually drive these cars on mediums because of how rough they tend to be on tyres.

Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: killagorilla on January 10, 2021, 07:29:11 PM
I hear ya Killa, I did some laps in the Mercedes last night and I was pretty happy to choose that until I tried the little Bimmer and WOW what a difference that car is :o
Guess you'd expect the Kunos boys to keep the Merc and the BMW on the same level re performance...as far as I know that's what it was in real in the end...from memory I'd even say the Merc was a bit more successful, but I can be wrong there. Bueller was very fast in the Merc in the fun run...yeah, and Alphonso's time on the server is great too.
With the restrictor on the BMW the Merc should be faster based on this logic of mine.
However, I know what you're saying. I just like driving the BMW so much more...it's the most fun to drive imo...couldn't get rid of the understeering in the Merc.
Definitely try the Alfa as well...more understeery, but fast too.
I just tried...can do 16 laps in the Alfa on softs, but they're overheating on the left-hand side pretty much right from the start and getting all red. Looks terrible in the tyre app, but the car still drives somewhat ok towards the end of the race.
Not sure whether mediums get you better lap times towards the end...I would think a bit. Guess you'd have to do the same with the mediums and compare lap times and I haven't done that. I think the difference between softs and mediums is less than half a second...0.3-0.4s.
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Bacchulum on January 10, 2021, 07:33:39 PM
Which tyre won't matter to me, gearbox only lasts 11 laps.
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: killagorilla on January 10, 2021, 08:13:10 PM
Which tyre won't matter to me, gearbox only lasts 11 laps.
Oh, that's bad. What if we did 3 ten lap sprints instead? That would be good for the tyres too  :)
Didn't you have some blown up engines in the V8's last season? Would be a pity if these kind of things affect the championship too much.
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Wally on January 10, 2021, 09:45:41 PM
Which tyre won't matter to me, gearbox only lasts 11 laps.
Oh, that's bad. What if we did 3 ten lap sprints instead? That would be good for the tyres too  :)
Didn't you have some blown up engines in the V8's last season? Would be a pity if these kind of things affect the championship too much.
I don't mind it if you have to be more gentle with the gearbox and perhaps sacrifice a little speed to make it survive.
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: buellersdayoff on January 11, 2021, 12:23:05 PM
Blowing up trannies? Is it because of rev matching without clutch?
Flat shift with a quick pop of the clutch on up shift (only useful if the engine has rev limiter or you have to release acc a bit) and heel and toe down shift w/c, I will only once in a while stuff up a shift so rarely come close to blowing boxes.
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: bradc on January 11, 2021, 01:02:50 PM
Wow, a blown box after 11 laps that's not good :o!!!
I've never seen this but that said I don't use the auto clutch and have been slightly lifting on upshifts and blipping on the down shift....
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: buellersdayoff on January 11, 2021, 02:52:34 PM
After saying that, I've blown an Alfa box. It seems to be a little more sensitive.
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Mael on January 11, 2021, 03:03:37 PM
After saying that, I've blown an Alfa box. It seems to be a little more sensitive.

I've increased the ratio's, using the gearbox as a 5 speed with a long first gear. Helps keep the gears within the box  ;D
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: buellersdayoff on January 11, 2021, 03:16:26 PM
Worth a look, I'll try it.
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Freezer on January 11, 2021, 03:24:21 PM
Can't say I've had warning of a gearbox issue in the BMW.
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Joe on January 11, 2021, 04:26:43 PM
All this talk of trannies and blown boxes... feels like I should do some practice for this season
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Bacchulum on January 11, 2021, 05:06:36 PM
Blowing up trannies? Is it because of rev matching without clutch?
Flat shift with a quick pop of the clutch on up shift (only useful if the engine has rev limiter or you have to release acc a bit) and heel and toe down shift w/c, I will only once in a while stuff up a shift so rarely come close to blowing boxes.
It's all from clutchless, rev-matching downshifts.
Every change does damage (even if you don't hear a grind), and as the damage gets worse, the more damage it does.
Upshifts are no problem, but heel-toeing is out of the question now (I used to do it), but any angle on the brake pedal breaks it now (they're very old). :'(
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Alphonso_Timmins on January 11, 2021, 06:42:23 PM
I usually flat shift on the way up the box (and hope not to miss gears), and then heel + toe on the way down. Before you guys mentioned it, I didn't even know the cars allowed you to do clutchless downshifts  ::)

I gave the 1988 version of Hockenheim a go just now, and it's also really good fun! Such an amazing array of mods available for AC
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: buellersdayoff on January 11, 2021, 07:07:03 PM
Blowing up trannies? Is it because of rev matching without clutch?
Flat shift with a quick pop of the clutch on up shift (only useful if the engine has rev limiter or you have to release acc a bit) and heel and toe down shift w/c, I will only once in a while stuff up a shift so rarely come close to blowing boxes.
It's all from clutchless, rev-matching downshifts.
Every change does damage (even if you don't hear a grind), and as the damage gets worse, the more damage it does.
Upshifts are no problem, but heel-toeing is out of the question now (I used to do it), but any angle on the brake pedal breaks it now (they're very old). :'(
It's difficult enough with the clutch in the Alfa
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Mael on January 11, 2021, 08:03:03 PM
All this talk of trannies and blown boxes...

...so many jokes to be made  ;D
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Joe on January 11, 2021, 08:51:54 PM
All this talk of trannies and blown boxes...

...so many jokes to be made  ;D

Glad it wasn't just me that laughed at that way more than I should have
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: killagorilla on January 11, 2021, 10:43:38 PM
3 cars within 0.03s...good calcs, Wally.
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Wally on January 12, 2021, 07:53:55 AM
We'll see how the damage pans out after a round of two (people might learn how to deal with it), but if it ends up being ridiculous, I will reduce the damage rate.
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Alphonso_Timmins on January 12, 2021, 10:24:54 AM
3 cars within 0.03s...good calcs, Wally.

You are uncomfortably close after only a single lap! I better get practicing 🙂

Should be a good series of races, and I'm pleased that 3 cars that drive very differently and will therefore have different strengths/weaknesses at sections on the track have such close times. Looking forward to racing with you guys
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Wally on January 12, 2021, 07:15:56 PM
Server's up.

I set damage to 75%, not wanting too many races to be ruined by gearboxes.
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Wally on January 12, 2021, 11:10:55 PM
Results are up. Congratulations to Bueller and Killa.
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: killagorilla on January 12, 2021, 11:43:10 PM
Wasn't able to match my PB in the qualies, but races went well. Caught up with Bueller towards the end of race 1. Didn't get a chance to try a pass though. R2 was a bit lonely, but it's a rare win...so I'm happy...good start into the new season. Great qualy times by Bueller and Dietmar.
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Alphonso_Timmins on January 13, 2021, 06:52:39 AM
You guys in the Alfas had incredible race pace, especially once the tyres started to wear. I was working really hard to catch Bueller in R2 but the man was on a mission. Nearly dipped into the 51s on race fuel and mediums which I was quietly chuffed with.

Round 1 was a comedy of errors by me resulting in a blown box on the last lap, but I somehow coasted through to the finish line. I had a really good battle with AB156 in the Merc
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: buellersdayoff on January 13, 2021, 07:43:51 AM
Great racing again guys, really wasn't sure what tyres to use I thought the meds would be better towards the end of the race but Killa was hunting me down in R1. I didn't realise we had a second qualifying session and just put a few laps in with the race set, full fuel and meds, again hesitant to use meds for R2 but did anyways, however it looks like worn soft are still faster than worn meds surprisingly. I got pretty sloppy on the worn meds since they were already a bit slippery from the start. Does changing damage affect tyres? Speaking of damage my gearbox copped a flogging. Good fun thanks guys.
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: ab156 on January 13, 2021, 09:46:43 AM
Good start the the season, as they usually are.... Have to take advantage before others come to grips with the cars.

The Merc was pretty strong in the first half of the track (up to T7) then a handful. Ironically "Mercedes" corner was an absolute nightmare for some reason.  Some serious defensive lines required through there in the last laps of both races.

Races were pretty much the same, give up 2-3 seconds to the Alfa's on the start / opening lap then slip back a few tenths each lap and end up in an almighty battle with a BMW for the last couple of laps. In R1 only managed to nab Dietmar due to his gearbox management, in R2 I used all the PLP candy early and had to be very cautious at a few spots which made it interesting for Joe but I easily covered him by almost a full a car length to the line  ;D

Nice to have some clean side by side racing.

Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Wally on January 13, 2021, 10:25:47 AM
The reduced damage doesn't affect the tyre wear.

I had some good racing with Freezer most of the night. Our cars' front and rear bumpers seemed to be magnetically attracted a few times. The braking differences between the Alfa and the BMW didn't help there.
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: bradc on January 13, 2021, 10:54:54 AM

Race 1
AbleArcher hit bradc in the rear corner in a tight corner, but I don’t think it was clearly anyone’s fault. AbleArcher was braking slowly up the inside; bradc turned in on him a bit (on the racing line) – racing incident.

Did you happen to save a replay of this Wally? Reason being I'd like a 2nd look at it as that was a really weird incident and I certainly didn't expect to get turned around. Before the braking zone we were side by side and just before I braked I used my look left button and it appeared as if I was clear, so hence I remained on the racing line and turned in....I'm not disputing your decision, but would love a look at it because I don't know how to replay stuff on my pc - I'm sure I've not ticked a box somewhere... :-[

The 2nd race wasn't much better for me despite making some set up changes which improved my lap times. I must have been on the only down hill section of the start grid (lol  ;D) because as soon as I pushed the clutch and selected 1st gear the car moved forward.....I think I'd got to about 6th on the opening lap only to be 15th after the drive-thru and then I think I got back to 11th for the flag. The last 5 laps on worn out tyres were a lot of fun as it felt like I was catching the next group fighting of AGK, Rob and co but I could never quite bridge the gap.
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Wally on January 13, 2021, 11:40:21 AM

Race 1
AbleArcher hit bradc in the rear corner in a tight corner, but I don’t think it was clearly anyone’s fault. AbleArcher was braking slowly up the inside; bradc turned in on him a bit (on the racing line) – racing incident.

Did you happen to save a replay of this Wally? Reason being I'd like a 2nd look at it as that was a really weird incident and I certainly didn't expect to get turned around. Before the braking zone we were side by side and just before I braked I used my look left button and it appeared as if I was clear, so hence I remained on the racing line and turned in....I'm not disputing your decision, but would love a look at it because I don't know how to replay stuff on my pc - I'm sure I've not ticked a box somewhere... :-[

The 2nd race wasn't much better for me despite making some set up changes which improved my lap times. I must have been on the only down hill section of the start grid (lol  ;D ) because as soon as I pushed the clutch and selected 1st gear the car moved forward.....I think I'd got to about 6th on the opening lap only to be 15th after the drive-thru and then I think I got back to 11th for the flag. The last 5 laps on worn out tyres were a lot of fun as it felt like I was catching the next group fighting of AGK, Rob and co but I could never quite bridge the gap.
Yes, I'll upload the replay tonight.
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Joe on January 13, 2021, 02:47:35 PM
Fun races. The alfas out front were quick but was good to see the different advantages and disadvantages of the cars. Hopefully will provide some mixed results at different tracks.

I managed to get into mid 52s by the middle of the 2nd race. Didn't really do much practise and didn't even try the Merc or alfa so just ran default setup and mediums for qually and race. Looks like I may need to try some tinkering to keep up this season.
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Wally on January 13, 2021, 07:21:43 PM

Race 1
AbleArcher hit bradc in the rear corner in a tight corner, but I don’t think it was clearly anyone’s fault. AbleArcher was braking slowly up the inside; bradc turned in on him a bit (on the racing line) – racing incident.

Did you happen to save a replay of this Wally? Reason being I'd like a 2nd look at it as that was a really weird incident and I certainly didn't expect to get turned around. Before the braking zone we were side by side and just before I braked I used my look left button and it appeared as if I was clear, so hence I remained on the racing line and turned in....I'm not disputing your decision, but would love a look at it because I don't know how to replay stuff on my pc - I'm sure I've not ticked a box somewhere... :-[

The 2nd race wasn't much better for me despite making some set up changes which improved my lap times. I must have been on the only down hill section of the start grid (lol  ;D ) because as soon as I pushed the clutch and selected 1st gear the car moved forward.....I think I'd got to about 6th on the opening lap only to be 15th after the drive-thru and then I think I got back to 11th for the flag. The last 5 laps on worn out tyres were a lot of fun as it felt like I was catching the next group fighting of AGK, Rob and co but I could never quite bridge the gap.
Yes, I'll upload the replay tonight.
Here's the race replay:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gufty-7y4VoH7IVcnSo01NVaMdRnn3Nc/view?usp=sharing
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Freezer on January 13, 2021, 08:25:03 PM
Good night of racing.  Got to one spot up to 5th at the start but then start but then had Joe behind for many laps putting on the pressure.  Eventually he got a run down the back straight and was through.
Race two found myself with behind Wally with about a one sec gap until lap 12 so it was tight.  Unfortunately I had that moment around lap 8 when you suddenly think, "Is he braking early, or am I braking late" either way it was an oh shit moment where pressing the brake harder only made it worse  ::)  Thankfully we both pushed on, but then it happened again a few laps later and we dropped a few spots as a result (my bad).
Definitely like these cars, the slight differences make for good racing . . . just need to find a bit more speed!
Title: Re: S36R1 - Hockenheimring
Post by: Bacchulum on January 13, 2021, 10:38:49 PM
Race 1, 1 lap too long.
Race 2, 2 laps too long. :-X
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