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Title: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 16, 2018, 06:28:53 PM
RACE 1 RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2018/01/s20r4-bmw-m235i-at-road-atlanta-race-1.html)
RACE 2 RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2018/01/s20r4-bmw-m235i-at-road-atlanta-race-2.html)
RACE 3 RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2018/01/s20r4-bmw-m235i-at-road-atlanta-race-3.html)
SEASON STANDINGS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2017/12/season-20-standings.html)
SEASON STATS (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nu52lWM6_TIRBEGCTF32BxLe8mobfsCFpd_wOeuxpXI/edit?usp=sharing)

Round Points
Matthew111   115
killagorilla   104
Phil.8   100
Jeremy   98
Phil   96
Kcender87   95
Shayne   89
ab156   69
Godzilla   68
RussG   68
Wally   65
Bacchulum   61
JamieP   48
Shameless   47
Joe   41
Mael   40
Dave O   39
Rob   35
Dadio   35
Seanus   20

Congratulations to Phil.8 on pole, Kcender and Matthew111 for their race wins, and Matthew111 for winning the overall round.

Penalties
Race 2
Race 3
Season Podium
1. Kcender87, 340 pts
2. Phil.8, 313
3. Matthew111, 306

With Grat unable to make this round and Matthew's strong result, Matthew moves up into 3rd place. There was a bit of shuffling lower down on the points ladder, with Jeremy, Bacchulum, Wally, ab156, RussG and Phil all climbing a few places.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Phil on January 16, 2018, 10:35:50 PM
Best round for me ever!

I had close bumper to bumper racing each round. Round two I went from mid to back of the field to 4th before the first corner. Great race to whoever I was racing with that was awesome fun, I had the lead for a while but screwed up with the first place gitters.
Great race Matt on round three, I tried to attack and keep up but I simply couldn't keep up, but for personal development that was probably the most consist laptimes I've ever put in. For a large part I was within a couple hundred milliseconds, which for me is exceptional cause I usually fluctuate between a second each lap normally.

Great round!
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Joe on January 16, 2018, 10:42:12 PM
Not a great round for me. Qualified 12th and could have done better but didn't get a great lap in.

Race 1 the first 9 laps were great, then the last 3 were terrible. I got up to 5th through being in the right place at the right time and getting through accidents, but then got wobbly and went off through the opening twisties. I waited for the two cars that were right behind me to pass and saw a gap on the track map and re-entered but guess the cars were coming quicker than I realised causing Wally to hit me; my bad, sorry. Finished 14th I think.

Due to race 1 woes I stared quite far up the grid, but had an issue with Seanus ahead who disappeared and reappeared and then didn't move when the lights when out. I managed to just get around him with a little tap, but then got sideswiped into turn 2 and had to let the whole grid go by rejoining in 17th. Wasn't sure who it was at the time, but just checked the replay and was Godzilla. I was on his outside keeping to the far left and he came across me taking us both out. I think after that the race was pretty good and I managed to get back up to 9th or something.

Race 3 was pretty average starting in the middle and finishing somewhere in the middle. I think I caught JamieP off guard into T1 and he gave me a tap and I lost a few positions but he redressed which was appreciated. I was taking T1 with a short sharp spike on the brakes at the end of the straight and then coasting to the apex in 5th and back on the power which I don't think was expected  ;D
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: kcender87 on January 16, 2018, 10:44:49 PM
Sorry for the weird warping all over the place - ping was about 27 every time I looked - will see if i can sort whats up for next time
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Shameless_1 on January 16, 2018, 11:03:44 PM
Interesting racing for me after being absent for the last 2 rounds.. very little practise.. fastest lap of the night for me was 1.33.2 or .4.. I didn't qualify well as expected in race 1, but made it from 17th to mid field, seanus was lagging which made it hard to get around him or plan any moves..

race 2 was an absolute disaster, stuck behind seanus again and he lagged off the start, tried to get around him but got shoved by the freight train of cars. ended up with damage and that just put my head out of the race really, disappointed in quite a few people in that race .. sheer desperation rather than decent racing..

race 3 I was middle field off the grid again, no seanus this time so i got a clean start got up as far as 10th but dropped back to 11th with kcender coming through then on the last lap went wide giving away another 2 positions..

was a fun night, but people need to be less aggressive off the start in reverse grid even in a sprint race.  And lagging/warping cars need to be addressed because they are causing incidents which drivers can be penalised for.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: kcender87 on January 16, 2018, 11:29:45 PM

   
  • Kcender ran into the back of Shayne and spun him (the lag jump was at the start of race 2 – this lap 1 incident looked nice and smooth) – 50 kg penalty.
   

I think I recall this on lap 1 and I stand to be corrected (as I dont have the reply only my memory :P) - but I recall a situation where I was uber close to a car in front that then it had an off but I immediately looked up to the left to see if there was contact and saw none and thought contact must have been made laterally or that they had a moment on their own?
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 16, 2018, 11:35:53 PM
It was a busy and entertaining round for me.

Race 1, I couldn't avoid Joe after he had an off when I was coming down the esses, and we collided losing me a few spots. Russ put a nice move on me on the final lap at the end of the back straight, and took one more spot off me.

Race 2, I did pretty well, finishing 6th from a start of 10th. I was following the ab156/Jeremy/Killagorilla pack for many laps but couldn't make any ground.

Race 3 I was also doing not too bad, up in 6th, but I buckled under pressure from Phil.8, and oversteered on the slow corner onto the back straight, putting my nose into the concrete wall there. That saw me stuck for a while, dropping down to 13th place. I eventually chased Bacchulum for a while and was slowly gaining, but a couple of loose and wild moments all by myself saw me fall back again, finishing with noone around except for Shameless who had an off.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: JamieP on January 16, 2018, 11:38:32 PM
I am back to my usual installing the track 30 minutes before qual and learning the track. The Thruxton setup worked well and I didn't even have to change the fuel load. Qual was a write off as I expected it to be but I can usually race my way up to the back of the midfield.

Race 1 was not too bad a race for me. Had a few battles, passed some cars and had a good battle with shameless which was great fun. First I spun and recovered and then he did and I ended up in 14th or thereabouts.

Race 2 was an absolute abomination. I butchered the start and had to make way for several cars moving around a stationary car on the grid. Lost a few places then got dive bombed a few times and lost some more. I then managed to get a couple of wheels in the grass and lost some more places. Ended up near the back and was making my way through when in the battle up ahead, a few cars got together and bachulum got spun around and was sideways across the track where he quickly got T-boned by me with nowhere else to go. That put both of us to the rear again. Made my way back to 15th or so with a few others having some off track excursions.

Race 3 was going OK and I was making steady progress forwards but tagged Joe going into turn 1 and felt it necessary to redress the average piece of driving. I do apologise Joe, I did see you taking a more shallow line and earlier on the brakes for a few laps but I completely stuffed up and left it too late to back out of the poor attempt to beat you to the turn in point in turn one. Ended up in 17th

Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 16, 2018, 11:45:57 PM

   
  • Kcender ran into the back of Shayne and spun him (the lag jump was at the start of race 2 – this lap 1 incident looked nice and smooth) – 50 kg penalty.
   

I think I recall this on lap 1 and I stand to be corrected (as I dont have the reply only my memory :P ) - but I recall a situation where I was uber close to a car in front that then it had an off but I immediately looked up to the left to see if there was contact and saw none and thought contact must have been made laterally or that they had a moment on their own?

This is the incident:

[youtube]cYfKNnhUxAY[/youtube]
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Godzilla on January 16, 2018, 11:57:51 PM
The 50kg penalty, looked to be worth about half a second, seemed fair enough. The 50 odd percent restrictive though by race 3 smashed another 2 seconds a lap to that, this seemed extreme.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: kcender87 on January 17, 2018, 12:01:21 AM

Oh shit! :P didn't even realise that had happened Shayne - my bad entirely sorry. Lag karma took its revenge a lap later - how I didn't notice that in the race I have no idea :s

   
  • Kcender ran into the back of Shayne and spun him (the lag jump was at the start of race 2 – this lap 1 incident looked nice and smooth) – 50 kg penalty.
   

I think I recall this on lap 1 and I stand to be corrected (as I dont have the reply only my memory :P ) - but I recall a situation where I was uber close to a car in front that then it had an off but I immediately looked up to the left to see if there was contact and saw none and thought contact must have been made laterally or that they had a moment on their own?

This is the incident:

[youtube]cYfKNnhUxAY[/youtube]
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 17, 2018, 12:02:20 AM
The 50kg penalty, looked to be worth about half a second, seemed fair enough. The 50 odd percent restrictive though by race 3 smashed another 2 seconds a lap to that, this seemed extreme.

FYI, your impacts were below. Race 2 was particularly bad - your car copped a lot of fairly high speed knocks.

Race 1
    Lap 1: 19 kph
    Lap 4: 51 kph (+3 restrictor)
    Lap 8: 39 kph (+2 restrictor)

Race 2
    Lap 1: 30 kph
    Lap 1: 80 kph (+7 restrictor)
    Lap 1: 42 kph (+2 restrictor)
    Lap 2: 137 kph (+10 restrictor)
    Lap 2: 47 kph (+3 restrictor)
    Lap 4: 87 kph (+8 restrictor)
    Lap 4: 113 kph (+10 restrictor)
    Lap 4: 69 kph (+6 restrictor)
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: RussG on January 17, 2018, 12:11:42 AM
Race 2
  • Godzilla bumped the side of Joe, but given that they were side by side for some time and Godzilla had no real visibility of Joe’s car, this is a racing incident.
  • RussG was off track and clipped the side of Godzilla’s car while re-entering, and then clipped JamieP’s car while correcting – racing incident (while RussG could have re-entered more safely, he was really the only car

Sorry Wally. I must disagree with you here on pretty much every point.
I agree with Joe. Godzilla turned in on him causing the carnage. Yes they were side by side for some time, so all the more reason that Godzilla should have been aware not to turn in.
Then ... the only reason I was off track was to avoid crashing into the recovering Godzilla, but the recovering Godzilla thought it best to go straight to the apex when I was there just trying not to hit him. Who was re-entering????
The tap I got there unsettled my car which meant JamieP had no chance to avoid me and clipped me which sent me into the wall.
I rejoined last again ... with big damage again ...
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: JamieP on January 17, 2018, 12:26:54 AM
Race 2
  • Godzilla bumped the side of Joe, but given that they were side by side for some time and Godzilla had no real visibility of Joe’s car, this is a racing incident.
  • RussG was off track and clipped the side of Godzilla’s car while re-entering, and then clipped JamieP’s car while correcting – racing incident (while RussG could have re-entered more safely, he was really the only car

Sorry Wally. I must disagree with you here on pretty much every point.
I agree with Joe. Godzilla turned in on him causing the carnage. Yes they were side by side for some time, so all the more reason that Godzilla should have been aware not to turn in.
Then ... the only reason I was off track was to avoid crashing into the recovering Godzilla, but the recovering Godzilla thought it best to go straight to the apex when I was there just trying not to hit him. Who was re-entering????
The tap I got there unsettled my car which meant JamieP had no chance to avoid me and clipped me which sent me into the wall.
I rejoined last again ... with big damage again ...

Is this the incident where I ended up T-boning bacchulum as well? It was a pretty messy part of the race
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: RussG on January 17, 2018, 12:39:17 AM
Is this the incident where I ended up T-boning bacchulum as well? It was a pretty messy part of the race
No mate, this was on lap 1. You got Bacchulum on lap 5 and not your fault ...
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Godzilla on January 17, 2018, 12:40:25 AM
Race 2
  • Godzilla bumped the side of Joe, but given that they were side by side for some time and Godzilla had no real visibility of Joe’s car, this is a racing incident.
  • RussG was off track and clipped the side of Godzilla’s car while re-entering, and then clipped JamieP’s car while correcting – racing incident (while RussG could have re-entered more safely, he was really the only car

Sorry Wally. I must disagree with you here on pretty much every point.
I agree with Joe. Godzilla turned in on him causing the carnage. Yes they were side by side for some time, so all the more reason that Godzilla should have been aware not to turn in.
Then ... the only reason I was off track was to avoid crashing into the recovering Godzilla, but the recovering Godzilla thought it best to go straight to the apex when I was there just trying not to hit him. Who was re-entering????
The tap I got there unsettled my car which meant JamieP had no chance to avoid me and clipped me which sent me into the wall.
I rejoined last again ... with big damage again ...

So last race where I got a good chunk of my car on the inside of Grat on the fast right hander and he turned not expecting me there you deemed as my fault. Now someone gets barely a nose in a place there’s nowhere to go and on the first lap and smashed me off track, essentially the same as the incident with me and Grat but in reverse and MUCH less overlap and you also deem that as my fault? Interesting consistency...

Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: RussG on January 17, 2018, 01:02:56 AM
So last race where I got a good chunk of my car on the inside of Grat on the fast right hander and he turned not expecting me there you deemed as my fault. Now someone gets barely a nose in a place there’s nowhere to go and on the first lap and smashed me off track, essentially the same as the incident with me and Grat but in reverse and MUCH less overlap and you also deem that as my fault? Interesting consistency...

First of all, I didn't comment on the incident between you and grat so you have no idea of my opinion on that.

Then, I think you better check the replay ... this incident isn't remotely like the incident with grat, but I have given my opinion on this one as it impacted me. Are you saying that Joe smashed you off track? The replay shows that Joe even braked - obviously to try to avoid contact - did you ... NO, you just turned in when there was a car there (cars can't suddenly disappear). That will only ever end badly.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: killagorilla on January 17, 2018, 08:12:34 AM
Race one was an uneventful one...was there pretty much by myself on 3 with a pretty decent gap to the guy behind me, but Phil and Kcender were a tad faster so they were pulling away slowly.
So starting 3rd last on race 2, but a bit too cautious at the start, which moved me back last.
It went good after that and I managed to make my way to the front end somehow. There was some really good close racing. I think I was going side by side with Bacchulum through some turns without contact...was great :-)
Got involved in a crash later where a few guys were battling for position in front of me at the S at the end of the long straight. So they messed it up and one car was suddenly parking square right in front of me in the middle of the track, braked hard, but I couldn't avoid contact. However, luckily enough no serious damage for the both of us (I would think).
Race 3 was lots of action...many changes in position and some very close racing with Jeremy and Shayne. Made a couple of mistakes as well. It was a bit difficult racing close to Jeremy at times as he was lagging quite a bit, but we were lucky and it didn't cause a major collision.
Was fun racing...thanks
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 17, 2018, 08:27:03 AM
Race 2
  • Godzilla bumped the side of Joe, but given that they were side by side for some time and Godzilla had no real visibility of Joe’s car, this is a racing incident.
  • RussG was off track and clipped the side of Godzilla’s car while re-entering, and then clipped JamieP’s car while correcting – racing incident (while RussG could have re-entered more safely, he was really the only car

Sorry Wally. I must disagree with you here on pretty much every point.
I agree with Joe. Godzilla turned in on him causing the carnage. Yes they were side by side for some time, so all the more reason that Godzilla should have been aware not to turn in.
Then ... the only reason I was off track was to avoid crashing into the recovering Godzilla, but the recovering Godzilla thought it best to go straight to the apex when I was there just trying not to hit him. Who was re-entering? ???
The tap I got there unsettled my car which meant JamieP had no chance to avoid me and clipped me which sent me into the wall.
I rejoined last again ... with big damage again ...
I won't comment without looking at the replay again, as the whole start was complex, with Seanus not starting off the line and bottling up the field which then went up the hill. It might be a good point of discussion in the video thread. I'll put up a video tonight.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Joe on January 17, 2018, 09:22:37 AM
Now someone gets barely a nose in a place there’s nowhere to go and on the first lap and smashed me off track, essentially the same as the incident with me and Grat but in reverse and MUCH less overlap and you also deem that as my fault?

Wow that's how you see it? I wasn't that bothered about it as it happens but rather Wally take another look now. We were side by side from the start and you cut across we with all the room in the world on the other side of the track costing me 10+ place. Race 3 you only hit me in the side twice as we were side by side in the twisties the second time pushing me off track and taking the place. Again didn't even mentioned this before as I don't really care, but seems you may need to work on knowing what cars are around you.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Phil on January 17, 2018, 02:24:34 PM
Anyone got a replay of race two? Even the CR record file from Assetto Corsa will do, I can just load it up here on mine.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Simone on January 17, 2018, 02:38:00 PM
Hey guys!!!  Sorry for my no show but i came back home from spraying custard apples at 7.15 pm qld time and the only thing i wish was sitting on a couch with a beer or 2 and watching tennis.
Sorry again!!
Simone
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: RussG on January 17, 2018, 03:34:37 PM
Anyone got a replay of race two? Even the CR record file from Assetto Corsa will do, I can just load it up here on mine.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/fkh7sz75z9x4xj7/AC_020118-205938_R_ks_bmw_m235i_racing_oulton_park_internationalnochic.7z (http://www.mediafire.com/file/fkh7sz75z9x4xj7/AC_020118-205938_R_ks_bmw_m235i_racing_oulton_park_internationalnochic.7z)
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 17, 2018, 08:02:45 PM
Race 2 Video Review

Here's the start of race 2, focussing on Godzilla's orange and white car. Godzilla ends up with Joe's blue car to the left. A little later, you see RussG's white car re-entering the track from the left and clipping Godzilla.

[youtube]YRTY-TDJRQg[/youtube]

Here's my take on it. There's not much in the Godzilla/Joe impact. I always cut a lot of slack for drivers in side-to-side impacts because you can't see the other car at all. In this instance, Godzilla could have shown more awareness that there may be a car to the left, but he may not even be aware that there was a car alongside him.

Suggestion for Godzilla - if you're not already running the Helicorsa app (http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/helicorsa-radar-app.20223/), you should be, to get a graphic warning that someone's alongside you.

In the Godzilla/RussG contact, Godzilla is just driving on his line when Russ re-enters from off-track into the rear side of Godzilla, again out of view of Godzilla.

So I stick with my original opinion - racing incidents.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: killagorilla on January 17, 2018, 08:40:15 PM
I'm with Joe on this one. Godzilla should have definitely known about Joe being on his left and in this turn there was no need to go for the apex anyway.
As Godzilla was closing in on Joe their speed was leveling off more and more...so where should Joe have gone if not being next to Godzilla? It was actually Joe's line imo...
Wally, of course not my call, just an opinion :-) Would have thought Godzilla should have even clearly heard him being so close right beside him.
I'm using Crewchief (btw. definitely turn swearing on). He would have warned him of Joe's presence as well in this case.
I'm running a quad screen setup and, no doubt, I would have seen Joe in this case without glancing left.
A question to VR users, are you actually looking left and right in a situation like that or are you just focusing on your race line?
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Joe on January 17, 2018, 09:29:57 PM
I accept Wally decision as I did from the start, but was surprised to be accused by Godzilla of 'sticking my nose' in and causing the incident.

In my opinion it's 100% his fault. I knew he was there, and being T2 I was sticking to my side of the track. Godzilla also runs VR and has the ability to look around.

While I accept the decision I disagree with it; after a poor first race it was my chance to recover the round starting nearer the front, and that impact put me down in 17th which also had a known on affect for race 3. Causing that much of a disadvantage to somebody though carelessness as well as anyone else caught up in it should really be penalized.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: RussG on January 17, 2018, 09:55:42 PM
Wally's watching a different replay to the one I see.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Shayne on January 17, 2018, 11:11:23 PM
A question to VR users, are you actually looking left and right in a situation like that or are you just focusing on your race line?

I do sometimes, usually down a straight or somewhere that I feel comfortable looking away from the direction I'm going. Mostly though I'm just watching the racing line and helicorsa is right in the middle of my windscreen so I most definitely know if someone is still beside me.
Looking at that replay, I wouldn't of been looking out the side window. I would of kept my eyes on what's going on in front of me.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Mael on January 17, 2018, 11:17:04 PM
Wally's watching a different replay to the one I see.

lol Its very rare to disagree with Wally  but I'll go Russ. Its all very slight touches, nothing on purpose but majority of error still belongs to Godzilla.

And apologies to Dadio, I made a bad error taking him out into the first chicane during race 2, 100% my fault  :'(
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Freezer on January 18, 2018, 12:09:09 AM
I'll say Godzilla x 2.
Clearly moves left in the first hit, then with Russg coming through quicker up the inside moves left again. (albiet with russg on the kerb, but definitely over lap)
Nothing dramatic but a bit more awareness would have stopped both incidents.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 18, 2018, 08:04:13 AM
It seems I'm in the wrong here :)
It's good to hear "community views".
After trial by a jury of peers, it seems I have to award Godzilla a penalty of 50kg after all, for failing to stay on his side of the track in the opening corners.


But the impact with Russ I still see as not Godzilla's fault. Watch the replay again - Godzilla is just driving in a straight line near the edge of the track, not deviating left, when Russ rejoins from off-track and clips him in the rear side. It is always the responsibility of the off-track car to rejoin safely.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on January 18, 2018, 10:24:43 AM
I have only used VR very briefly in the local pc shop which has it set up with pcars .   I could do nothing but look straight ahead as I would drive off the track if I tried to look around , Just couldn't tell where I was going and looking left or right and found my self steering off the track thinking I was going straight, so for me VR reduced awareness by a huge margin,  probably get used to it though.

This is in no way having a go at anyone, just how I found VR after only 15 mins of use
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Godzilla on January 18, 2018, 10:26:43 AM
So race stuards cave to public opinion, nice.

At the time of the hit I was absolutely fuming, end of the day it was a hit from rear left and caused me to lose all control of the car. There was no visibility of the car to the left at the time but I though Joe may be there somewhere and left a car width to my left, which is frankly all the the car behind is ever entitled to. Was a fairly messy start and my concentration was was much more on what’s in front. Looking at the replay it’s hard, I turned in slightly for the corner essentially following whoever the yellow car was but Joe went for a straighter line and clipped my rear left, angry but happy enough as a racing incident.

But then RussGmanUnit has to come on here and start his witch hunt and finger pointing as he clearly has issues with me in general. The same RussG who hit me on lap one by his unsafe rejoining of the track (which is a penalty on any lap in any Motorsport category btw). And to add insult to injury after trying to fight my way back up the grid from near enough last I score restrictor penalties, get bounced around like a ping pong and by race 3 end up with a car that can do a mid/low 1:33 at absolute best, so arround 3 seconds slower then normal, seems fair.


Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Joe on January 18, 2018, 11:57:42 AM
There was no visibility of the car to the left at the time but I though Joe may be there somewhere and left a car width to my left, which is frankly all the the car behind is ever entitled to.

Looking at the replay it’s hard, I turned in slightly for the corner essentially following whoever the yellow car was but Joe went for a straighter line and clipped my rear left, angry but happy enough as a racing incident.

I'm always happy to accept fault when it's my own, but you failing to accept fault here is beyond me. Here is the point you made impact with me: EDIT: Watching it that was where you turned into but the contact happened just after where I was closer to the curb.

(https://i.imgur.com/kx9Q56tl.jpg)

A split second before that I was even further along side but I eased off the throttle to keep to my side of the track. You didn't give a car's width; you went straight for the apex. A clear mistake you don't seem to want to accept.

Insulting people of your first season too. Off to a good start.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: RussG on January 18, 2018, 12:09:46 PM
But the impact with Russ I still see as not Godzilla's fault. Watch the replay again - Godzilla is just driving in a straight line near the edge of the track, not deviating left, when Russ rejoins from off-track and clips him in the rear side. It is always the responsibility of the off-track car to rejoin safely.
RussG who hit me on lap one by his unsafe rejoining of the track

My last post on this subject.
I'm not looking for penalties here but recognition of what really happened.
As I previously stated, I had to go off track to avoid Godzilla as he was recovering from the other incident and moving left. You can even see this in Wally's replay. Then I drove in a straight line while Godzilla drove from the middle of the track to the kerb.
As for unsafely rejoining the track, I was in fact still off track (i.e. no part of any of my 4 tyres were inside the yellow line) when the contact happened.
I did everything I could do to avoid contact except drive off into the weeds. I believe there is also some onus on a driver recovering from an incident.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 18, 2018, 12:15:40 PM
Everyone needs to calm down, take a deep breath and get their emotions in check. I am looking at the situation. I don't care who's driving what car. I am making a judgement call as to who might have made an avoidable mistake that impacts someone else badly. Nobody likes to be sent to the back of the field on the opening lap, due to no fault of their own, after all that practice and qualifying; that's what we're all trying to avoid.


As to "caving", I am representing "community standards" and adjusting my decision accordingly.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 18, 2018, 12:23:37 PM
Everyone needs to calm down, take a deep breath and get their emotions in check. I am looking at the situation. I don't care who's driving what car. I am making a judgement call as to who might have made an avoidable mistake that impacts someone else badly. Nobody likes to be sent to the back of the field on the opening lap, due to no fault of their own, after all that practice and qualifying; that's what we're all trying to avoid.


As to "caving", I am representing "community standards" and adjusting my decision accordingly.
In the absence of a [LIKE] button. I post this to second Wally's post.

Come on, guys. I get you: I am one that gets pissed relatively easily, as you know. But usually I wake up in quite a different mood the morning after ;) Nobody is trying to screw up the night for anybody here. We all know the rules, but sometimes perceptions and emotions do not help. We can only learn from these episodes and try to have the best racing we can next time.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Joe on January 18, 2018, 12:30:16 PM
I'm good with whatever decision. Like I said I accepted the decision from the start even though in my mind it wasn't my fault at all as shit happens. It's only when I'm being told it was actually my fault I feel the need to defend myself as to me this is the most clear cut incident I've been involved in.

I don't come here to win, I come here just to have fun. I've never said a bad word on voice chat and I don't complain really in the forum, and this type of drama kind of takes the fun out of it.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Godzilla on January 18, 2018, 01:39:56 PM
I'm good with whatever decision. Like I said I accepted the decision from the start even though in my mind it wasn't my fault at all as shit happens. It's only when I'm being told it was actually my fault I feel the need to defend myself as to me this is the most clear cut incident I've been involved in.

I don't come here to win, I come here just to have fun. I've never said a bad word on voice chat and I don't complain really in the forum, and this type of drama kind of takes the fun out of it.

Thing is I didn’t complain about the decision either. After watching the replay I though racing incident was fair, we will of course both have different opinions on it but that’s racing. Then RussG had to get the pitchforks our even though he wasn’t involved and ironically the only one who is 100% at fault in the following incident for joining the track unsafely and hitting me, maybe he wanted to increase my damage restrictor....
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 18, 2018, 03:22:35 PM
I want to remind everyone of this rule:

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Turn 1 Racing Etiquette
To avoid turn 1 incidents, in turns 1 and 2 of the opening lap, stay on your side of the track, i.e. leave racing room for the cars around you. Don't close up the gap by cutting acorss to the apex on the other side of the track. All cars will come through safely this way without big pileups.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: killagorilla on January 18, 2018, 04:07:59 PM
I'm good with whatever decision. Like I said I accepted the decision from the start even though in my mind it wasn't my fault at all as shit happens. It's only when I'm being told it was actually my fault I feel the need to defend myself as to me this is the most clear cut incident I've been involved in.

I don't come here to win, I come here just to have fun. I've never said a bad word on voice chat and I don't complain really in the forum, and this type of drama kind of takes the fun out of it.

Thing is I didn’t complain about the decision either. After watching the replay I though racing incident was fair, we will of course both have different opinions on it but that’s racing. Then RussG had to get the pitchforks our even though he wasn’t involved and ironically the only one who is 100% at fault in the following incident for joining the track unsafely and hitting me, maybe he wanted to increase my damage restrictor....

The fact you weren't aware of Joe being right next to you and a fraction of a second before the collision even ahead of you is a matter of concern. Again, everything Joe has said is 100% right imo. Can't follow your interpretation of the incident at all...doesn't make sense to me. This case couldn't be more obvious and to blame him for this...well, what can you say...
Russ went off track in order to avoid a collision with you. The way I see it, it would have been considerate and fair of you to leave him a little bit of space so he can get back on track asap...it was your fault which made you an obstacle there on the race line in the end. However, you blocked him most likely being completely unaware of that. If you haven't been able to detect Joe's presence right next to you for such a long time it's no wonder you were unaware of what affect your actions before had to Russ, but you've watched the video in the meantime...
Russ was very fast and it looks like he must have seen you very late...so he pulled left...why not let him get back on track?
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Godzilla on January 18, 2018, 04:19:02 PM
My reasoning is I was in front, I left a car width of track space available and I got hit from behind putting me in a wall.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Joe on January 18, 2018, 04:56:01 PM
My reasoning is I was in front, I left a car width of track space available and I got hit from behind putting me in a wall.

I want to drop this but none of this is true. Sure call it a side by side racing incident as wally called it at the start but pointing blame at me is pretty unbelievable.
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Godzilla on January 18, 2018, 05:04:58 PM
My reasoning is I was in front, I left a car width of track space available and I got hit from behind putting me in a wall.

I want to drop this but none of this is true. Sure call it a side by side racing incident as wally called it at the start but pointing blame at me is pretty unbelievable.

I didn’t want to start it yet here we are. I’m not apointing blame, i don’t believe either is 100% responsible for it. I’m just giving my view of the incident. Seems I’m getting crucified for it though and copping a penalty
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: RussG on January 18, 2018, 05:25:01 PM
Anyone got a replay of race two? Even the CR record file from Assetto Corsa will do, I can just load it up here on mine.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/fkh7sz75z9x4xj7/AC_020118-205938_R_ks_bmw_m235i_racing_oulton_park_internationalnochic.7z (http://www.mediafire.com/file/fkh7sz75z9x4xj7/AC_020118-205938_R_ks_bmw_m235i_racing_oulton_park_internationalnochic.7z)

Sorry Phil, I zipped up Oulton Park instead I Road Atlanta. Should be right this time.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/z5uatyu7dclolpm/AC_160118-205542_R_ks_bmw_m235i_racing_road_atlanta2017_.7z (http://www.mediafire.com/file/z5uatyu7dclolpm/AC_160118-205542_R_ks_bmw_m235i_racing_road_atlanta2017_.7z)
Title: Re: S20R4: Road Atlanta Post-Race Chat
Post by: Phil on January 18, 2018, 11:07:40 PM
thx Russ
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