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Title: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: Wally on August 21, 2018, 11:29:55 PM
RACE 1 RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2018/08/s23r7-lotus-3-eleven-at-putnam-park.html)
RACE 2 RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2018/08/s23r7-lotus-3-eleven-at-putnam-park_28.html)
RACE 3 RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2018/08/s23r7-lotus-3-eleven-at-putnam-park_39.html)
SEASON STANDINGS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2018/07/season-23-standings.html)
SEASON STATS (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nu52lWM6_TIRBEGCTF32BxLe8mobfsCFpd_wOeuxpXI/edit?usp=sharing)

Round Points
Kcender87   76
Phil.8   68
Matthew111   67
Bacchulum   58
Jeremy   56
Keith   56
Mael   52
buellersdayoff   52
RussG   50
ab156   46
Freezer   45
Wally   38
AbleArcher83   35
Doobs   32
Dave O   22
Mac87   19
killagorilla   15

Congratulations to Kcender on the clean sweep - pole, and all 3 race wins.

Penalties

Race 1
Bacchulum ran into the back of Mael, but only because Mael braked suddenly, taking Bacchulum by surprise – racing incident, that unfortunately had some knock on effects.

Race 2

At turn 1, Jeremy turned into RussG. For not sticking to his side of the track in the 1st 2 corners and causing an incident – 10 second penalty.
There was a subsequent side-to-side impact between Freezer and Killagorilla – racing incident.

Race 3
Keith had an off by himself after clipping the grass, which caused a few impacts – racing incident.


Final Season Championship Standings
1. Matthew.111, 413
2. Kcender87, 410
3. Jeremy, 391
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Aug 28: Putnam Park (no chicane) [DOWNLOAD (https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/putnam-park.17661/)]

Putnam Park is a road course in Indianapolis, Indiana.

This is the final round, with Matthew 12 points clear of Kcender in the championship standings. Jeremy and Phil are separated by only 2 points in the battle for 3rd, and with Jeremy carrying penalty ballast, Phil may be able to move up into 3rd.

Weather: 21, 25 and 25 with moderate winds.
3 x 18 lap sprints.
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: RussG on August 22, 2018, 11:21:09 AM
Hi Wally,
Server no worky.

"WARNING: This server's available slots exceed the number of pitboxes for Putnam Park GP"
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: Wally on August 22, 2018, 12:37:56 PM
Hi Wally,
Server no worky.

"WARNING: This server's available slots exceed the number of pitboxes for Putnam Park GP"
Thanks, I'll check it.
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: Mael on August 22, 2018, 02:50:41 PM
Hi Wally,
Server no worky.

"WARNING: This server's available slots exceed the number of pitboxes for Putnam Park GP"

Hey you suppose to be at work Russ  :P
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: Wally on August 22, 2018, 08:12:23 PM
Should be fixed.
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: keithsgillan on August 22, 2018, 08:26:59 PM
what's fixed..? Russ being at work, or the server?
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: RussG on August 22, 2018, 08:53:31 PM
Hi Wally,
Server no worky.

"WARNING: This server's available slots exceed the number of pitboxes for Putnam Park GP"

Hey you suppose to be at work Russ  :P

No work for me today  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: Wally on August 22, 2018, 10:34:04 PM
what's fixed..? Russ being at work, or the server?
;D
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: Wally on August 28, 2018, 10:45:45 PM
SEASON RESULTS

And the season 23 champion is... Matthew111, by 3 points from Kcender87.

Champion: Matthew111, 413 pts
Runner Up: Kcender87, 410 pts
Third: Phil.8, 391 pts

Congratulations to Matthew on his 5th championship, and to Kcender and Phil on their  podium finishes.
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: Wally on August 28, 2018, 11:06:42 PM
Full round results are up in the 1st post.

Here are some final season stats:

Best average finish: Matthew, 2.7
Most wins: Kcender, 8
Most podiums: Matthew, 18
Most poles: Kcender, 4
Most consistent: Kcender
Hunter: Phil
Hunted: Matthew
Busiest: Phil
Loneliest: AbleArcher83, Dave O and Mac87
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: buellersdayoff on August 28, 2018, 11:21:00 PM
Wasn't that keen on these cars to begin with but warmed up to them from bikernike track onward so the season was pretty good all in all. I do however prefer (any) race cars over road cars, particularly one's with diff/trans whine and a whole lot of snap crackle and pop from the engine/exhaust, even the cars with squeaks inside the cab (don't think it's the actual suspension, is it?). Anyways..
R1 bumped into Russ near turn 1? but was because I had someone else right onto me as well, sorry. Ran most of the race behind ab156 was a lot of fun we only traded places when we made a mistake. I also let bacchulum go by when I spun toward the end of the race.
R2 tee-boned Russ when he'd spun (sorry again) In the middle of the pack had nowhere to go. The rest of the race was kinda lonely.
R3 tee-boned Freezer when he'd spun (sorry) similar situation but not sure which way to go. Tailing Wally for most of this race and really didn't think I'd get chance to pass but finally got a good run out of the last turn which set up a draft and clean move up the inside of turn 1, bad luck on the spin after that Wally. Also a little distracted by Daveo's open mic for most of this race, is there a way to use push to talk?
As always great racing with you guys despite the incidents, thanks again for the great fun.
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: keithsgillan on August 28, 2018, 11:31:26 PM
Many thanks to Wally for putting in the hard work that's required to make the season happen.

Great racing tonight for those that I battled with and my apologies to Freezer for the Race 3 lap 1 incident that you got caught up in.
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: killagorilla on August 29, 2018, 07:35:49 AM
R1: Braking started earlier than expected so I went off in order to avoid chaos.
R2: Jeremy was running into me a bit too often and the second time Russg was taking advantage out of it...we were going side by side, had slight contact being right next to each other and then Russg went into me left rear end which resulted in both of us going off. Instead of redressing he just went off.
I noticed I was a bit too aggressive on Ablearcher after this, which I finally got in trouble with...enough for the night...no fun...will make adjustments to my driving style with when racing Jeremy and Russg.
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: Wally on August 29, 2018, 08:10:56 AM
I'm glad to hear that Bueller came to like the car. That's a common story, where people aren't that keen on a car to start with, but it grows on them. Keep that in mind for future seasons ;)

My first race was a shocker because I tried a setup experiment, where I made the rear cambers as unoptimal as the front cambers to blanace the car, using the Camber Extravaganza app. I knew you could never get the front cambers to their sweet spot, so I tried to make the rear cambers equally bad to balance front and rear grip from camber. Well, that didn't work. The car was really unstable while cornering and badly prone to snap oversteer, so race 1was just hard work.

I reverted to my Queensland setup for the next races and that was much better. I still spent most of my time towards the rear of the field, but had some really good racing with Bueller pressuring me, and also me chasing AbleArcher who was also under pressure from ab156 but didn't crack. Made it hard work but a lot of good racing.

For Killagorilla, have you watched the replays? I haven't myself, and you may be right or you may be wrong, but my point is to make sure you have at least watched the replays before you make judgements.
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: doobs on August 29, 2018, 08:25:25 AM
That was not much fun.

Race 1: Tried to avoid someone else's accident and didn't.

Race 2: Tried to avoid someone else's accident and didn't.

Race 3: Avoided all others accidents by spinning off the track at least three times myself. I don't know what happened but the car was awful so it's possible I forgot to load my setup.

Good season though, thanks blokes.
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: keithsgillan on August 29, 2018, 09:24:31 AM
I'm glad to hear that Bueller came to like the car. That's a common story, where people aren't that keen on a car to start with, but it grows on them. Keep that in mind for future seasons ;)

My first race was a shocker because I tried a setup experiment, where I made the rear cambers as unoptimal as the front cambers to blanace the car, using the Camber Extravaganza app. I knew you could never get the front cambers to their sweet spot, so I tried to make the rear cambers equally bad to balance front and rear grip from camber. Well, that didn't work. The car was really unstable while cornering and badly prone to snap oversteer, so race 1was just hard work.

I reverted to my Queensland setup for the next races and that was much better. I still spent most of my time towards the rear of the field, but had some really good racing with Bueller pressuring me, and also me chasing AbleArcher who was also under pressure from ab156 but didn't crack. Made it hard work but a lot of good racing.

For Killagorilla, have you watched the replays? I haven't myself, and you may be right or you may be wrong, but my point is to make sure you have at least watched the replays before you make judgements.

Re watching replays... It is also good to watch from the other persons point of view. There has been times when I was certain I was in the right, and the other person equally so. When changing the view to other vehicle, trying to let go of any bias, you may see their version of events also have merit. I remember a race at Redbull Ring in the Ferrari 599, and after watching from both views I was happy to call it a racing incident. Although prior to that I was sure I was the victim.

Maybe it's an optical illusion... maybe it's Spacetime... what ever it is, in the interest of painting the full picture it's worth checking out the view from the other party's car.
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: Wally on August 29, 2018, 09:57:52 AM
Keith is right. I have watched literally hundreds of opening lap contacts. Forwards, backwards, slow motion, car A, car B... it can take quite a bit to see who was in the wrong, if anyone.
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: buellersdayoff on August 29, 2018, 10:59:42 AM
I'm not sure everyone is using helicorsa/car radar because some of the incidents that I've seen unfold in front of me seem almost like one party does not realise there is someone so close, I know these apps aren't perfect and could also be partially to blame. On the flip side it can be just (innocent or not) mistakes, I know I I've had plenty of those, reality is we're not pros (no offence). Remaining calm is difficult sometimes but is necessary to at least enjoy the racing. I'll never be in championship contention because I can only race every second round (and I'm not fast enough) but I'm here for the racing and it's actually a lot of fun being mid pack. I often watched races on TV thinking how crap it me be for the guys always mid field or at back but seriously it's about racing because we enjoy the thrill of it, winning isn't everything despite what they say lol.
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: killagorilla on August 29, 2018, 11:59:30 AM
I'm glad to hear that Bueller came to like the car. That's a common story, where people aren't that keen on a car to start with, but it grows on them. Keep that in mind for future seasons ;)

My first race was a shocker because I tried a setup experiment, where I made the rear cambers as unoptimal as the front cambers to blanace the car, using the Camber Extravaganza app. I knew you could never get the front cambers to their sweet spot, so I tried to make the rear cambers equally bad to balance front and rear grip from camber. Well, that didn't work. The car was really unstable while cornering and badly prone to snap oversteer, so race 1was just hard work.

I reverted to my Queensland setup for the next races and that was much better. I still spent most of my time towards the rear of the field, but had some really good racing with Bueller pressuring me, and also me chasing AbleArcher who was also under pressure from ab156 but didn't crack. Made it hard work but a lot of good racing.

For Killagorilla, have you watched the replays? I haven't myself, and you may be right or you may be wrong, but my point is to make sure you have at least watched the replays before you make judgements.

Yes, I watched the replay from all perspectives. Jeremy redressed/gave me time to get my car straight again. Russ went just into my side turning me around. Russ, you can have that, I'll go harder next time. During the race I actually thought he went into me a couple of turns before, but that was Jeremy. That was the reason for my comments over the radio...I really do try hard to avoid that. I normally don't say anything in cases when someone runs into me, but I get pissed off if it happens multiple times. I understand they were battling for position behind me and that makes it more difficult...anyway, try to forget this thing
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on August 29, 2018, 12:53:03 PM
I'm not sure everyone is using helicorsa/car radar

and race engineer give a voice spotter so its impossible not to know someone is next to you
http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=1600.0
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: Wally on August 29, 2018, 02:05:49 PM
I'm not sure everyone is using helicorsa/car radar because some of the incidents that I've seen unfold in front of me seem almost like one party does not realise there is someone so close, I know these apps aren't perfect and could also be partially to blame. On the flip side it can be just (innocent or not) mistakes, I know I I've had plenty of those, reality is we're not pros (no offence). Remaining calm is difficult sometimes but is necessary to at least enjoy the racing. I'll never be in championship contention because I can only race every second round (and I'm not fast enough) but I'm here for the racing and it's actually a lot of fun being mid pack. I often watched races on TV thinking how crap it me be for the guys always mid field or at back but seriously it's about racing because we enjoy the thrill of it, winning isn't everything despite what they say lol.
Yeah I think the same thing when they say on the TV while watching a battle "And this is for 16th place!" Your sole focus is usually just to pass the car in front, no matter where you are in the field.
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: Mael on August 29, 2018, 03:26:02 PM
Race 1
Bacchulum ran into the back of Mael, but only because Mael braked suddenly, taking Bacchulum by surprise – racing incident, that unfortunately had some knock on effects.


That was not my intention, I saw trouble brewing between the cars in front of me so slowed down. With hind sight it seems I slowed down too much or too drastically especially if it was Bacchulum who rear-ended me  :'(  I did pay dearly for the mistake as the accident created rear wing damage only making the setup balance almost undrivable.

For a change I managed to avoid the race 2 and 3 opening lap carnage, strange that one of the easiest cars to drive is causing some much first lap heartache. Both race were spend chasing bacchulum for the majority of the time, mixed with some desperate defending against Jeremy.

Really enjoyed the battle Jeremy, had me in full concentration mode for most of the race. And I almost gifted you the place by running out of fuel with 5 meters to go ;D

And yeah a solid 2nd place for Team Maki, mostly thanks to Freezer speed this season. Well done to Struggle (????) Street Racing.
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: RussG on August 29, 2018, 09:09:07 PM
I'm glad to hear that Bueller came to like the car. That's a common story, where people aren't that keen on a car to start with, but it grows on them. Keep that in mind for future seasons ;)

My first race was a shocker because I tried a setup experiment, where I made the rear cambers as unoptimal as the front cambers to blanace the car, using the Camber Extravaganza app. I knew you could never get the front cambers to their sweet spot, so I tried to make the rear cambers equally bad to balance front and rear grip from camber. Well, that didn't work. The car was really unstable while cornering and badly prone to snap oversteer, so race 1was just hard work.

I reverted to my Queensland setup for the next races and that was much better. I still spent most of my time towards the rear of the field, but had some really good racing with Bueller pressuring me, and also me chasing AbleArcher who was also under pressure from ab156 but didn't crack. Made it hard work but a lot of good racing.

For Killagorilla, have you watched the replays? I haven't myself, and you may be right or you may be wrong, but my point is to make sure you have at least watched the replays before you make judgements.

Yes, I watched the replay from all perspectives. Jeremy redressed/gave me time to get my car straight again. Russ went just into my side turning me around. Russ, you can have that, I'll go harder next time. During the race I actually thought he went into me a couple of turns before, but that was Jeremy. That was the reason for my comments over the radio...I really do try hard to avoid that. I normally don't say anything in cases when someone runs into me, but I get pissed off if it happens multiple times. I understand they were battling for position behind me and that makes it more difficult...anyway, try to forget this thing

killa, I'm not sure what replay you watched but I have watched the replay from all angles and my take is not the same.

Sequence of events (as I see it) ...
So ... I didn't see the need for me to redress something that wasn't my fault.

Happy to discuss.
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: Wally on August 29, 2018, 10:05:17 PM
As an impartial observer, this is my take on it.
Jeremy, too aggressive in the start of the sequence. trying to punch a hole where there was none. There was nowhere for him to go other than into the back of killa.
But then between Russ and Killa, it looked like you were trying to give each other racing room, with Russ having a go at a criss cross manoeuvre that saw the two of you swapping sides of the track mid corner. Russ was trying to keep it tucked on the inside, but there was a side-to-side impact (always hard to avoid, especially mid corner) that unsettled Russ a bit and caused his nose to hit killa's rear. That second part of the passing in the corner just looked like hard racing to me, that unfortunately ended in tears. I couldn't assign blame to either in that move, but if I was forced to, I would say that killa was moving around more, taking room away from Russ. But overall, it looked like a hard-fought passing/defending move from both.
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: killagorilla on August 30, 2018, 07:35:15 AM
Well, it doesn't help watching this thing again. I was pissed off because, during the race I thought it was you, Russ, running into me at that sharp right hander before...and then just going off. The second incident was more difficult to judge. I trust Wally's judgement on this enough...so, yeah, what can I say...
In the end being run into twice there within a few laps spoiled it enough for me to hit the exit button.
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: Wally on August 30, 2018, 07:36:56 AM
Well, it doesn't help watching this thing again. I was pissed off because, during the race, I thought it was you, Russ, running into me at that sharp left hander before...and then just going off. The second incident was more difficult to judge. I trust Wally's judgement on this enough...so, yeah, what can I say...
In the end being run into twice there within a few laps spoiled it enough for me to hit the exit button.
For sure, previous hits a second before totally cloud how you perceive the next impact in the heat of battle. Everyone's the same.
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: RussG on August 30, 2018, 12:42:49 PM
Well, it doesn't help watching this thing again. I was pissed off because, during the race I thought it was you, Russ, running into me at that sharp right hander before...and then just going off. The second incident was more difficult to judge. I trust Wally's judgement on this enough...so, yeah, what can I say...
In the end being run into twice there within a few laps spoiled it enough for me to hit the exit button.
Hi killa,
Yeah, we both got taken out at the sharp right hander.
I would probably call the one where we went off a racing incident. I just didn't like being handed the blame.

Let's all just try our best to avoid incidents in the first place and have some good racing   :)
Title: Re: S23R7: Putnam Park Race Chat
Post by: killagorilla on August 30, 2018, 03:39:35 PM
Well, it doesn't help watching this thing again. I was pissed off because, during the race I thought it was you, Russ, running into me at that sharp right hander before...and then just going off. The second incident was more difficult to judge. I trust Wally's judgement on this enough...so, yeah, what can I say...
In the end being run into twice there within a few laps spoiled it enough for me to hit the exit button.
Hi killa,
Yeah, we both got taken out at the sharp right hander.
I would probably call the one where we went off a racing incident. I just didn't like being handed the blame.

Yeah, you're right...sorry. It was the bloody whole package which got me to react the way I did.

Let's all just try our best to avoid incidents in the first place and have some good racing   :)
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