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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on November 21, 2017, 06:16:53 PM
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RACE RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2017/11/s19r6-wec-at-shanghai.html)
SEASON STANDINGS (http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=2037.0)
Penalties: Mael had passed Bacchulum and was just clear, but Bacchulum sped up a little and hit Mael, who was still on the racing line, in the rear corner, spinning him off the track and causing him to lose several positions. Because Bacchulum should have backed off a little once cleanly passed, a penalty is issued (an extra 25% restrictor).
Round Points
GT3
DC 26
Joe 18
Freezer 15
Aaron Thomas 12
RussG 10
ab156 8
Shayne 6
Gratulin 5
killagorilla 2
Shameless 1
Phil.8 0.5
rexology 0.5
Dave O 0.5
Rob 0
LMP1
Kcender87 25
Matthew111 18
Diehard 16
Mael 12
buellersdayoff 10
JamieP 8
Wally 6
Bacchulum 5
Seanus 0
Congratulations to DC and Kcender87on their class wins, and to Diehard and DC on their respective pole positions.
Season Podium
GT3
1. DC, 103
2. killagorilla, 93
3. Joe, 64
DC's continuing good form and killagorilla's 9th place finish sees DC move up into the championship lead. A 2nd place finish for Joe sees him jump from 5th to 3rd, leapfrogging Phil and Shayne on the standings.
Aaron Thomas managed to climb 3 spots to 9th, with a solid 4th place.
LMP1
1. Matthew111, 102
2. Kcender87, 93
3. Grat, 89
Grat's absence from this round sees him drop to 3rd, with Matthew and Kcender moving up a spot each.
Buellersdayoff and JamieP both climb a couple of places.
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Well that was fun until the server kicked me when I entered the pit lane. Was 3rd after Matthew and Kcender at the time. Rejoined the server and did the laps but looks like it put me in 20th :(
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Bugga diehard, custom track issue by the sounds of it.
I hadn't prepared much for this race then saved my setup in another track folder by accident but didn't know which one DOH.. found something suitable and did some quick changes from memory, didn't expect to do much for the race.. qual 3rd last and just kept behind rexology, settled in and we gave each other pressure all race on and off.. I pitted a lap earlier than rexology and by the time I came around again he was just leaving the pits so i was pressuring him again, finally passed and put in place defensive driving in the corners so he had to go around the outside. LMPs made it hard at times to stay on track but in all a good race. Thanks rex, good close racing.
I still had 2nd gear maxed on the limit just to keep up, guessing my ratio was a little lower than the rest, by the time we got to the line there was a reasonable gap of about 4-5 car lengths.
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Think that was my worst race for many months.
First lap I misjudged the length of Bacchulums car spinning out on one of the long sweeping curbs. The after a decent recovery drive from about 30 minutes onward I started falling asleep as a number of the LMP encountered technical difficulties. This left me in the middle of nowhere with no-one to race :'( About 10 spins, two 10 second cutting penalties and toasted tires a recovering Diehard finally came and kept me company. That was until the last lap which when a loss of control caused another accident this time taking Diehard and a unknown GT3 out. Apologies guys.
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Started 5th in the GT3 cars having my best lap affected by an LMP squeezing past me pushing me off line. Phil got past me into T1 and I was close behind him for a while. I was getting loads of stuttering which was distracting me and I couldn't see why. My memory CPU and GPU usage seemed normal, but it is a pretty hot evening here so it could be time to update the cooling in my PC. I was also running Z1Dash for the first time with the AC app which provides it additional data so I did think maybe it was that, though I had no issue during the entire practice when it was running.
Had a good chase on Phil during most of the first half of the race until he had a coming together with Bacculum and I was able to get past. Russ was about 8 seconds in front and I spent a lot of time slowly chipping away at that gap when with around 20 mins to go passing LMP cars and his battle with Freezer had me close behind. Russ gave Freezer and small tap and spun himself giving me that spot. I then had some great laps right on Freezer's tail with Russ close behind. I had pace in corners but Freezer made that understeery boat hard to pass.
After several laps like this coming into the last tight hairpin my tyres were starting to go and when I braked I knew I was going to either be very close to, or give Freezer a tap from behind so I moved over to the inside to avoid that from happening. It was in no way a pass attempt, but Freezer took the corner pretty wide. Unsure if it was to give me room as at that point I had the car under control and wasn't intending on going up the inside until I saw the gap. That allowed me to get ahead and build up a bit of a gap to the GT cars behind finishing 2nd in the GT3s.
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Well that was fun until the server kicked me when I entered the pit lane. Was 3rd after Matthew and Kcender at the time. Rejoined the server and did the laps but looks like it put me in 20th :(
I tried a stop in qually after hearing people say it kicked them back to the pits if you overran the pit lane. I went in really slow and still managed to do it. I guess in race in kicks you out rather than back to pits with a penalty ???
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Great race Shameless!!! Not sure what happened with my mic, as it was working fine during practice, but not during the race. I could hear everyone but obviously nobody could hear me.....maybe a good thing ;)
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Well that was fun until the server kicked me when I entered the pit lane. Was 3rd after Matthew and Kcender at the time. Rejoined the server and did the laps but looks like it put me in 20th :(
I tried a stop in qually after hearing people say it kicked them back to the pits if you overran the pit lane. I went in really slow and still managed to do it. I guess in race in kicks you out rather than back to pits with a penalty ???
Hmmmm... random discos are an "act of god", but I feel bad for a track issue kicking people, especially race leaders. I think I'll still award Matthew 2nd place and Diehard 3rd place, based on where they were when they were kicked, and lap times (still rewarding Kcender for winning the race).
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. I was getting loads of stuttering which was distracting me and I couldn't see why. My memory CPU and GPU usage seemed normal, but it is a pretty hot evening here so it could be time to update the cooling in my PC. I was also running Z1Dash for the first time with the AC app which provides it additional data so I did think maybe it was that, though I had no issue during the entire practice when it was running.
That's the fall creator update, its crap, causes sssssstuttering, wont really notice it on practice server with only a few cars , lots of posts about it, Only way I can alleviate it is by using NVidia driver 388.00, but its still not the best, not even vsync or fast sync totally fixes it would think I have a 960 not a 1080ti since that update :(
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1026749/geforce-drivers/window-10-fall-creators-update-feedback-thread/
All I can say id roll back if you can, I unfortunately cant because I did a clean install with FCU included :(
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Results are up in the 1st post.
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Hmmmm... random discos are an "act of god", but I feel bad for a track issue kicking people, especially race leaders. I think I'll still award Matthew 2nd place and Diehard 3rd place, based on where they were when they were kicked, and lap times (still rewarding Kcender for winning the race).
Fair enough I think :P
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Results are up in the 1st post.
Hey Wally, i think the results might be out. I finished 3rd on track behind Joe yet am showing as 6th in the round points?
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Results are up in the 1st post.
Hey Wally, i think the results might be out. I finished 3rd on track behind Joe yet am showing as 6th in the round points?
Yeah defiantly out i finished behind dc and Phil was a lap down
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Results are up in the 1st post.
Hey Wally, i think the results might be out. I finished 3rd on track behind Joe yet am showing as 6th in the round points?
Sorry, fixed. It was just the round points in that post (they were still from the week before).
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Results are up in the 1st post.
Hey Wally, i think the results might be out. I finished 3rd on track behind Joe yet am showing as 6th in the round points?
Sorry, fixed. It was just the round points in that post (they were still from the week before).
Thanks..
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As for my race, I never felt comfortable with the slow corners, probably after buggering around with my setup too much, and qualified 2nd last. At one point about a third of the way into the race, I overtook a bunch of cars with the boost, but then I lost the rear trying to negotiate the upcoming slow corner, and had a slow spin that left me at right angles to the track, where I collected a few cars. Sorry about that! That left my steering bent, so I pitted for suspension repairs and came out as the last of the LMP1s, lapped by the leaders :(
The rest of the race was largely uneventful, except for trying to finish within 10 seconds of Bacchulum, who I knew had a track cut penalty. I was just within the 10 seconds, but in the closing laps I caught up to a couple of GT3s which saw my gap stretch out over 10 seconds. Once I passed them, I was able to close the gap up again, and managed to finish 6.7 seconds behind Bacchulum.
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Managed to grab third in qualifying with a pb for me. Got the jump at the start and was able to power past Killa before the first turn and slot in behind DC. But that's pretty much the last I saw of him as he just started extending the gap from there. Spent the first half with Killa right on my tail. This track was all about hitting the braking point and getting the power back down again on exit which i was able to do pretty consistently.
Pitted at lap 15 but over shot the pit entry and grabbed a bit of sand. This slight delay no doubt allowed Killa to jump back in front. For much of the second stint I had Russ behind and was deploying my same consistency tactic until Killa had an off. Got a tap from Russ toward the end which I think was a missed brake marker but kept going and shortly after Joe suddenly appeared. He was pretty quick and eventually got me at the 2nd last turn. (yes, I did leave you room as I thought you were diving in pretty late).
From there it was just keep it together to come home 3rd.
LMP1's were good for me, they get held up a bit in the tight stuff but no issues.
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Didn't do as much practice as I would normally, with Battlefront being released and all. Learning the track and getting a set-up was done during the practice session hence the reason I made a bad move on a GT3 and sent us off. Just used the default set-up with minor changes to aero and gears. In the race I lost my groove particularly around lap 10 or so and made a few mistakes giving me cuts and a penalty. Close racing to begin with but as usual I ended up lapping alone and trying to pass GT3's safely. While out of the grove I started to kill the tyres so pitted early and seemed to help me get back into it a bit. It was good lapping with diehard when he caught up after the disco, but that didn't last long. Nearing the end I realised I didn't put enough fuel to begin with and had to make a second stop costing plenty of time, couldn't find my notes from previous rounds I was short about 10L. Excellent racing and good fun as always, I'm headed back to work today so will miss the next one. Hopefully there's a bit more racing before Christmas...
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Yep, I'll see how the timing works out holiday/Christmas wise before the next season proper starts, but there will always be at least some fun runs.
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. I was getting loads of stuttering which was distracting me and I couldn't see why. My memory CPU and GPU usage seemed normal, but it is a pretty hot evening here so it could be time to update the cooling in my PC. I was also running Z1Dash for the first time with the AC app which provides it additional data so I did think maybe it was that, though I had no issue during the entire practice when it was running.
That's the fall creator update, its crap, causes sssssstuttering, wont really notice it on practice server with only a few cars , lots of posts about it, Only way I can alleviate it is by using NVidia driver 388.00, but its still not the best, not even vsync or fast sync totally fixes it would think I have a 960 not a 1080ti since that update :(
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1026749/geforce-drivers/window-10-fall-creators-update-feedback-thread/
All I can say id roll back if you can, I unfortunately cant because I did a clean install with FCU included :(
I Reinstalled 387.92? (last of the 387's) after a DDU, the 388's weren't nice to me either. Also I've blocked the fall update so still on regular creators atm.
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Car was decent didn't really get a clean lap in qual. Got a good start and took the lead and managed to pull a gap to diehard until I reached traffic in all the wrong spots again lol and somehow managed to get rear ended under brakes going up the inside of a car damaging my rear wing so the car was pretty tailey after that and by then kcender was in p2 and all over me but I was able to hold him off by using my kerrs down the straight, was a good battle and was interested to see how it would work after the pit stops but as soon as I entered the pits it killed my game lol so ahh well shit happens :)
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. I was getting loads of stuttering which was distracting me and I couldn't see why. My memory CPU and GPU usage seemed normal, but it is a pretty hot evening here so it could be time to update the cooling in my PC. I was also running Z1Dash for the first time with the AC app which provides it additional data so I did think maybe it was that, though I had no issue during the entire practice when it was running.
That's the fall creator update, its crap, causes sssssstuttering, wont really notice it on practice server with only a few cars , lots of posts about it, Only way I can alleviate it is by using NVidia driver 388.00, but its still not the best, not even vsync or fast sync totally fixes it would think I have a 960 not a 1080ti since that update :(
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1026749/geforce-drivers/window-10-fall-creators-update-feedback-thread/
All I can say id roll back if you can, I unfortunately cant because I did a clean install with FCU included :(
I Reinstalled 387.92? (last of the 387's) after a DDU, the 388's weren't nice to me either. Also I've blocked the fall update so still on regular creators atm.
Where can I get the latest Display Driver ?
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. I was getting loads of stuttering which was distracting me and I couldn't see why. My memory CPU and GPU usage seemed normal, but it is a pretty hot evening here so it could be time to update the cooling in my PC. I was also running Z1Dash for the first time with the AC app which provides it additional data so I did think maybe it was that, though I had no issue during the entire practice when it was running.
That's the fall creator update, its crap, causes sssssstuttering, wont really notice it on practice server with only a few cars , lots of posts about it, Only way I can alleviate it is by using NVidia driver 388.00, but its still not the best, not even vsync or fast sync totally fixes it would think I have a 960 not a 1080ti since that update :(
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1026749/geforce-drivers/window-10-fall-creators-update-feedback-thread/
All I can say id roll back if you can, I unfortunately cant because I did a clean install with FCU included :(
I Reinstalled 387.92? (last of the 387's) after a DDU, the 388's weren't nice to me either. Also I've blocked the fall update so still on regular creators atm.
Where can I get the latest Display Driver ?
https://www.geforce.com/drivers do the manual driver search.
DDU first http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html
Do a custom install, and only install the driver, physx, and audio if you need it for your monitor speakers.
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You may have trouble finding Nvidea Control Panel after the driver upgrade Phil, but do not panic there is work around.
https://www.drivereasy.com/knowledge/nvidia-control-panel-missing-solved/
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You may have trouble finding Nvidea Control Panel after the driver upgrade Phil, but do not panic there is work around.
Right click desktop?
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You may have trouble finding Nvidea Control Panel after the driver upgrade Phil, but do not panic there is work around.
Right click desktop?
That's all I've ever done. :-[
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You may have trouble finding Nvidea Control Panel after the driver upgrade Phil, but do not panic there is work around.
Right click desktop?
That's all I've ever done. :-[
No last update I did that would not work, I had to Google to find the above fix :o :o
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cool thanks :)
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You may have trouble finding Nvidea Control Panel after the driver upgrade Phil, but do not panic there is work around.
Right click desktop?
That's all I've ever done. :-[
No last update I did that would not work, I had to Google to find the above fix :o :o
Mine did that too. Even if you relaunched it, it would crash and disappear from the right-click menu. It's fixed itself now though so I guess due to a driver update.
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Freezer was coming closer to DC and me before the 'Go' from DC. I was going 126 and Freezer 132 at this point in time. There was a tiny delay in reaction time on my side, but Freezer didn't seem to have that. The result is just logical, he was passing me way before turn 1. Seems like I've made the mistake going exactly as fast as DC.
We've discussed that extensively, if the field is stretched and guys go at different speeds before the 'go' the few meters you gain as a result of your qualy time don't mean much.
Anyway I was able to go faster than him, but paranoid about about getting him involved in an accident after me turning him around at Paul Ricard. He was very fast on the straights, but I was a bit better on the brakes and in some turns. However, I didn't get an opportunity for a clean and safe pass.
Going into the pits one lap after him and coming out in front I was able to build up a gap, but later I messed it up twice, went off track and Freezer, Joe and RussG slipped through.
I managed to close the gap again and overtook RussG...so I had Freezer in front of me again.
Well, we were on the very last laps and then RussG made an attempt to pass me on the inside of that tight right hander before that very fast sweeping left hand turn.
I was going race line a tad more than a car length behind Freezer when he hit me behind the rear wheel and turned me around.
It's disappointing being taken out like that, as I'm obviously trying to win the series.
RussG, you've asked me whether I watch car races, yes mate, I've done that extensively...and I'm very confident that the race line was mine. You were too far behind to have a serious chance of a clean pass there. If I remember correctly I've had you only once sort of close behind me before. That was in the Escorts at Nurburgring...and you were running into me twice in two consecutive laps at the same spot. I was able to stay on track so I haven't said anything...anyway, you may understand that this worries me.
It was fun racing with Freezer so closely...just a bad outcome.
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Didn't get my best lap in qually, but was pretty happy with 4th. Freezer jumped in front of killa at the start and then killa and I followed Freezer all the way to the pitstop. I think we both had more pace than Freezer but he was keeping it all nice and tidy and never gave a chance.
I pitted on the same lap as Freezer and killa a lap later which allowed killa to jump Freezer in the pits. I continued to follow Freezer until the time I found myself about to run into his rear. I steered off track to avoid ramming him but there was still a bump. At least it didn't seem to upset Freezers car and he kept going, but by the time I got going again, Joe had slipped past. I caught them again and followed Freezer and Joe for a while. Then Freezer went wide at the last hairpin and Joe got past. I also got my nose in front of Freezer up the straight but I knew he was still on the inside so I left plenty of room which left me slow out of the final turn and Freezer slipped away and it also let killa cruise through.
Now I followed Freezer and killa until the incident which saw killa turned around. Then I was just cruising it home and ran long at the final hairpin which gave me the 4th cut track and 10 sec penalty dropping another place. I think I had one genuine cut track.
Got a tap from Russ toward the end which I think was a missed brake marker
I was caught by surprise with this one. I didn't THINK I missed my brake point. I wasn't sure what happened, but an LMP1 just screamed by and braked in front of Freezer so I thought it may have balked him a bit and he may have braked slightly earlier. I'm still not sure.
Well, we were on the very last laps and then RussG made an attempt to pass me on the inside of that tight right hander before that very fast sweeping left hand turn.
I was going race line a tad more than a car length behind Freezer when he hit me behind the rear wheel and turned me around.
It's disappointing being taken out like that, as I'm obviously trying to win the series.
RussG, you've asked me whether I watch car races, yes mate, I've done that extensively...and I'm very confident that the race line was mine. You were too far behind to have a serious chance of a clean pass there. If I remember correctly I've had you only once sort of close behind me before. That was in the Escorts at Nurburgring...and you were running into me twice in two consecutive laps at the same spot. I was able to stay on track so I haven't said anything...anyway, you may understand that this worries me.
killa, what I meant by do you watch Motor racing was that you will see attempts to outbrake on the inside a lot. Some come off some don't. Usually the driver on the outside will be aware that someone is taking a stab and leave some space instead of diving for the apex.
You must remember that once someone is braking later up the inside, there is nothing more they can do. It is only the driver on the outside who can decide whether to have an accident or not.
This lap was the closest I had been and you left the door wide open with a big invitation on it. Now, I'm not saying it was a good move. What I'm saying is that there was no need for contact to have been made.
I think these videos show the action better than a picture. People can make up their own minds.
https://youtu.be/5xa652AAm6U (https://youtu.be/5xa652AAm6U)
https://youtu.be/cqbv5Dl-2RU (https://youtu.be/cqbv5Dl-2RU)
I'm sorry but I don't remember what happened at the Nurburgring in the escorts and I don't have any replays.
Anyway there was a lot of good close racing. I look forward to more of it.
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Some times a divebomb works, other times it doesn't. I would suspect my pass on Wally would count as a divebomb but I was lucky and got away with it. Sadly Russ did not. So take it as the rub of racing but remember that incidents should not be discussed during the race :P At least after the race we all get to give our opinion which is the fun part after all!
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Freezer was coming closer to DC and me before the 'Go' from DC. I was going 126 and Freezer 132 at this point in time. There was a tiny delay in reaction time on my side, but Freezer didn't seem to have that. The result is just logical, he was passing me way before turn 1. Seems like I've made the mistake going exactly as fast as DC.
Hey Killa, 6km/h difference! I note that coming onto the main straight the pack was gapped behind ( I think I may have even said something on the air ). I also was moving up to get close along side and around that time I heard the gogogo and hit it. Not disputing the 6km/h but was not intentionally trying to do anything sus. I still think we need to slow more in the final turns to get properly in a pack.
My second gear will take me from 0 to 140km/h so there is a lot of variation there.
p.s. good racing with you...
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killa, what I meant by do you watch Motor racing was that you will see attempts to outbrake on the inside a lot. Some come off some don't. Usually the driver on the outside will be aware that someone is taking a stab and leave some space instead of diving for the apex.
You must remember that once someone is braking later up the inside, there is nothing more they can do. It is only the driver on the outside who can decide whether to have an accident or not.
This lap was the closest I had been and you left the door wide open with a big invitation on it. Now, I'm not saying it was a good move. What I'm saying is that there was no need for contact to have been made.
You make some valid points Russ, but in say Supercars, they would want you up to the B pillar to consider it a legit dive and since you hit his rear bumper I'd say you be on for a drive through.
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Sorry Russ but I'm with Freezer on this, your car was not anywhere near far enough up the inside so he had the racing line and you should have given him the room. That's how I see it in motor racing too. Had you been further up his inside by the B pillar then the fault would have been Freezer's.
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killa, what I meant by do you watch Motor racing was that you will see attempts to outbrake on the inside a lot. Some come off some don't. Usually the driver on the outside will be aware that someone is taking a stab and leave some space instead of diving for the apex.
You must remember that once someone is braking later up the inside, there is nothing more they can do. It is only the driver on the outside who can decide whether to have an accident or not.
This lap was the closest I had been and you left the door wide open with a big invitation on it. Now, I'm not saying it was a good move. What I'm saying is that there was no need for contact to have been made.
Mate, I watched the replay many times from different angles before making my post. I had to make a decision based on our speeds at that point in time and before and the distance between us. You were behind me far enough that I thought it's appropriate to take the race line. If you were closer or at least somewhat next to me I would have had to give you room. I would think it's fair to claim that if you're half a car length behind. Putting your nose there on the race line and claim this space for you is not fair.
Remember that I don't have external cameras and slow motion videos available to make a decision about what line exactly to take in that split second moment. The impacts there in the Escort at the Nurburgring were rough and significant enough to remember imo and that happening twice...I'm surprised you forgot. I just managed to keep the car under control with difficulties.
Please be more careful...hope we'll have plenty more close racing in the time ahead.
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I agree with Freezer and Shameless that Russ wasn't far enough alongside to consider that a fair passing attempt. But I also agree with Russ that sometimes a little more awareness from the car in front can avert the accident if you can see that there's no way the divebombing car is going to be able to pull up, and you leave room. You also see Supercars drivers doing that. Sometimes the passes there look very easy, and it only because the lead car is basically conceding the corner. I'm pretty sure that's what I did with Mael's pass, leaving him room when I could see he was on the boost juice and was going to pass.
It can be a lot to take in though, when the lead car is already looking for the braking point and the apex. But the onus is always on the car behind to make the safe pass.
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I think it would be good if one is interfering with someone else's racing line in a passing attempt only if there's a realistic chance to be successful. Otherwise you'd lose positions too often in close racing especially. I'm more than happy to go side by side through turns...it's fun...but leaving the ideal line open as soon as someone is sort of close doesn't work. I could have done this move to Freezer so many times in this race...no, actually most likely only once...and the result would have been me feeling shit...again :-)
Btw. The accident before with Freezer was no overtaking attempt...just me misjudging his braking.
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OK, I am talking about contact being made, not whether the initial move of someone is judged to be a good or bad move.
I know about the B pillar rule etc. I already stated: "I'm not saying it was a good move. What I'm saying is that there was no need for contact to have been made." I didn't brake so late that I couldn't make the turn. If that was the case AND killa had tried to leave space AND we still crashed, then it is definitely my fault (the contact that is). There will always be someone having a go and not being quite there, but when it happens to me I go wide and leave space and we both keep racing. I don't want to be "racing" where nobody is allowed to have a go. In this particular case, if killa had left some space, I would have had to take such a tight line he would have driven away in front with a smile on his face.
Here is the scenario as I see it.
* The car behind makes a split second decision when to brake and maybe the decision is a little off, but they will still make the corner.
* The car behind is now on the braking limit, and there is no more they can do.
* The car on the outside now has a choice.
1. Go at the apex and have a crash.
2. Leave some space, don't crash and keep racing.
I always choose option 2.
In fact I chose option 2 earlier in the race when I got in front of Freezer when Joe passed him. I knew he was still there somewhere so I intentionally went wide at the last turn to avoid any chance of contact. This left me coming on to the straight slow and is how killa also managed to pass me. If I had claimed it was my corner and went for the apex I am certain we would have crashed.
I have noted other drivers who also take option 2 but we never hear about those :)
I don't want this to become too big a thing and I hope we can all have some more good "racing" in the future.
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Discussions like this are always great. But this is one of those perennial grey areas, which will always be a judgement call that could fall one way or the other. I'm sure everyone has their own style and level of aggression in situations like this - that's what makes racing against other people interesting.
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RussG, I'm happy to just look at it from a technical point of view and if that helps avoiding just one single collision with any of us than it's worth the time for me.
I would like to bring up one aspect and see what's your opinion on it. As I stated before I was on the limit and I decided going race line because I thought you'd just stick out your nose there but not really go for it.
This is the fastest line I'm talking about. If I had decided taking a different line I would have had to brake earlier in order to make it through the turn without leaving the track. Well, braking early in this particular situation wouldn't have been in my favour I guess. It would have been counter productive.
The other question is, how to judge the amount of space...a full car width? No way that would have been possible there without drastic speed reduction. You would have gone through. The problem is I simply couldn't see you and judge how much space you may need. You see Freezer and me in the picture - see the angle we're going compared to the way you are positioned on the track?
I don't say you're wrong with playing it safe and leave a bit of space to avoid a crash...not at all. I'm just of the opinion that this idea is difficult to apply in this case. Looking back I should have gone defense line.
If someone is beside me going into a turn there is no choice, you slow down and hope getting a chance slipping through the inside at the exit.
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There is a key difference here. Russ and me side by side, so we both left each other room at the last turn.
Killa and Russ NOT side by side so Killa has the line.
You said yourself Russ it was not a good move . . . and that about sums it up. A little bit too keen and it didn't come off . . it happens!
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Hi guys, if I can give my two cents here... I like aggressive racing, but the rule (though spelled differently in different categories) is always aimed at determining whether the passing car had overlap at turn in. If yes, then it is the passed car's job to leave space and see if you can make the corner. If not, then you should not have made the move and can't really complain if contact happens after it.
In the specific case:
- Killa chooses not to protect the inside. His choice. I would have done that, on a last lap, but he is completely free to "leave the door open" and it's up to Ross to choose what to do
- Russ has no overlap at turn in. Therefore, whatever happens next, his pass attempt was temerarious and he would be penalized in most categories. I don't blame him---it's a last lap attempt, the door was open, and he tried to pull a Ricciardo move. I like his bravery, but if it does not work (i.e., if you can't get overlap at turn in) then it's your fault ;)
- Killa could have given up the corner and let Russ go long and cross the lines. True, and it would have been the smart choice, because Russ was going to make the corner, but his exit would have been horribly compromised. But how can you blame him for going for the apex? It was his right and he was free to choose it. If it did not work out, it is just bad for him, but that's it
All in all, were we professionals, Russ would be penalized and Killa would regret having gone for the apex. Being amateurs, I think we can just have Russ say "sorry, mate" and Killa say "no worries." :)
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Hi guys, if I can give my two cents here... I like aggressive racing, but the rule (though spelled differently in different categories) is always aimed at determining whether the passing car had overlap at turn in. If yes, then it is the passed car's job to leave space and see if you can make the corner. If not, then you should not have made the move and can't really complain if contact happens after it.
In the specific case:
- Killa chooses not to protect the inside. His choice. I would have done that, on a last lap, but he is completely free to "leave the door open" and it's up to Ross to choose what to do
- Russ has no overlap at turn in. Therefore, whatever happens next, his pass attempt was temerarious and he would be penalized in most categories. I don't blame him---it's a last lap attempt, the door was open, and he tried to pull a Ricciardo move. I like his bravery, but if it does not work (i.e., if you can't get overlap at turn in) then it's your fault ;)
- Killa could have given up the corner and let Russ go long and cross the lines. True, and it would have been the smart choice, because Russ was going to make the corner, but his exit would have been horribly compromised. But how can you blame him for going for the apex? It was his right and he was free to choose it. If it did not work out, it is just bad for him, but that's it
All in all, were we professionals, Russ would be penalized and Killa would regret having gone for the apex. Being amateurs, I think we can just have Russ say "sorry, mate" and Killa say "no worries." :)
Good post Grat even though I had to look up temerarious 8) 8) but that's what big bros are for - to teach you stuff ;D
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temerarious
ˌtɛməˈrɛːrɪəs/
adjective literary
reckless; rash.
"a young officer of a brave and even temerarious disposition"
Grat and his thesaurus...