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Re: Personal testing for Season 3 at Silverstone International
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2014, 08:59:18 AM »
It was fun last night, in a bit of muck around racing, with a mix of cars with different strengths and weaknesses. It does seem though, that the BMW's are a little too outclassed. I probably will ditch them from the mix.

Also, because car selection should be based on speed and not other factors like racecraft, what I think I'll do is assign a separate leaderboard sorted by fastest race laps as well, not for points but just to assign cars. I.e. You get points 24 down to 1 in order of lap times, and then the leader of that gets the slowest car etc.
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Re: Personal testing for Season 3 at Silverstone International
« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2014, 09:14:35 AM »
It was fun last night, in a bit of muck around racing, with a mix of cars with different strengths and weaknesses. It does seem though, that the BMW's are a little too outclassed. I probably will ditch them from the mix.

Also, because car selection should be based on speed and not other factors like racecraft, what I think I'll do is assign a separate leaderboard sorted by fastest race laps as well, not for points but just to assign cars. I.e. You get points 24 down to 1 in order of lap times, and then the leader of that gets the slowest car etc.

Very clever I like your thinking as it is probably more accurate than the "end race result" and it encourages clean race craft. You should take more holidays with ideas like these.

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Re: Personal testing for Season 3 at Silverstone International
« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2014, 09:25:01 AM »
Well we had a bit of a discussion about it last night after the Cobra races.
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Re: Personal testing for Season 3 at Silverstone International
« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2014, 09:25:55 AM »
Was an intresting experiment.
If I can get out in front and hold it together. I might actually get a podium... There. I said it.

I think we will all 'hate' whatever we end up in compared to the nimble, light, fast Abarths. These street cars all take far too long to brake and sure dont like turning at speed.

Should make for some tight racing. And a fair bit of wrecking from me as I get used to racing bumper to bumper with people.

EDIT: Can we get a 'State of Origin' Tally going or something as well? Just to give Wally something else to do.
Clearly Cramjet and myself are the most handsome here. But that might not equal race speed.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2014, 09:27:50 AM by Dick Forrest »

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Re: Personal testing for Season 3 at Silverstone International
« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2014, 10:29:35 AM »
Loved the car! Looking at the times, I think i should have applied "sand bagging" :)
Looking forward to Tuesdays with this mix of cars and a chance to have some close racing. Cheers Wally.
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Re: Personal testing for Season 3 at Silverstone International
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2014, 11:08:13 AM »
Wally, when I said use the fastest race-laps, I meant for this testing exercise :)
But then again, it may indeed be better - especially if it's using some averaged-out rank, not the last race results.

But let's not completely forget that we can use the rent-a-car (or buy a car) system, too.  The program exists (somewhere) I can probably dig it up and chuck it on a server, it requires configuration otherwise it should do it...

I think we will all 'hate' whatever we end up in compared to the nimble, light, fast Abarths. These street cars all take far too long to brake and sure dont like turning at speed.
Not even the slightest hint of hate from me.  I prefer tintops anyday.



« Last Edit: August 22, 2014, 11:12:12 AM by Bird »

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Re: Personal testing for Season 3 at Silverstone International
« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2014, 11:23:42 AM »
Last nite I did run the z4 s1 and did 1:17.9 in it so at this track its not too far off but the standard is just too slow. If you scrap the standard and add either the 1m or e92 standard it will spice it up a bit as they are fairly quick in a straight line but not as nimbke as any of the lotuses. At a bigger track though such as monza I think any of the slower cars will really struggle but if you add a tight circuit like Aosta it wouod be very close in just about all these cars.

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Re: Personal testing for Season 3 at Silverstone International
« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2014, 11:46:43 AM »
If it was up to me but it isnt obviously lol, id scrap the z4 standard and also the standard elise and add the 1m and m3e92 as the majority of the field are much closer in the middle of the field. Especially if you go by qualy at Monza race 1 for an example.

1   Guybrush Threepwood [Achilles Heels]   1:51:488   8
2   Marty [Achilles Heels]   1:51:868   9
3   Ysu [TKO Racing]   1:53:172   8
4   StanDaam [XGN]   1:53:427   6
5   Glen73 [Projekt Rennesport]   1:53:428   6
6   Wally [TKO Racing]   1:53:546   9
7   Freezer [XGN]   1:53:658   5
8   Rob [Team MRT]   1:53:802   7
9   Rolz [XGN]   1:53:877   5
10   Bacchulum [Aleph Null Ltd]   1:53:911   6
11   cramjet [CramDick Racing]   1:54:188   5
12   Vipergod [Team MRT]   1:54:274   8
13   Gratulin [XGN]   1:54:416   9
14   GWyar [XGN]   1:54:677   7
15   Crimespree [XGN]   1:55:393   4
16   Grubbet [XGN]   1:55:778   7
17   Insomniac [XGN]   1:56:016   4
18   Dave O [XGN]   1:56:116   6
19   Imperious [XGN]   1:58:509   5
20   Dick Forrest [CramDick Racing]   3:09:932   4

Here is qualy race 1 at Mugello

Pos   Driver   Best Lap Time   Best Lap Num
1   Guybrush Threepwood [Achilles Heels]   1:44:254   9
2   Marty [Achilles Heels]   1:45:141   11
3   Wally [TKO Racing]   1:45:828   8
4   Rob [Team MRT]   1:45:946   7
5   StanDaam [XGN]   1:46:035   7
6   Bacchulum [Aleph Null Ltd]   1:46:181   7
7   Ysu [TKO Racing]   1:46:455   8
8   cramjet [CramDick Racing]   1:46:644   6
9   Rolz [XGN]   1:46:807   8
10   Insomniac [XGN]   1:46:962   6
11   Freezer [XGN]   1:46:974   7
12   Glen73 [Projekt Rennesport]   1:47:080   7
13   Gratulin [XGN]   1:47:095   4
14   Dave O [XGN]   1:48:411   4
15   Vipergod [Team MRT]   1:48:524   7
16   Imperious [XGN]   1:48:614   4
17   Crimespree [XGN]   1:48:832   4
18   GWyar [XGN]   1:48:929   4
19   Dick Forrest [CramDick Racing]   1:50:684   3

Here is Imola race 1 qualy


Pos   Driver   Best Lap Time   Best Lap Num
1   Marty [Achilles Heels]   1:44:486   9
2   Mopz [Team CTR]   1:45:109   6
3   Freezer [XGN]   1:45:711   7
4   Rob [Team MRT]   1:45:952   4
5   Bacchulum [Aleph Null Ltd]   1:46:006   7
6   Rolz [XGN]   1:46:435   4
7   Gratulin [XGN]   1:46:502   8
8   Wally [TKO Racing]   1:46:505   8
9   Insomniac [XGN]   1:46:961   3
10   Grubbet [XGN]   1:47:288   5
11   Crimespree [XGN]   1:47:569   5
12   BJSRacer [Projekt Rennesport]   1:47:590   7
13   cramjet [CramDick Racing]   1:47:646   6
14   Glen73 [Projekt Rennesport]   1:47:712   4
15   G0RGAK [Achilles Heels]   1:47:882   7
16   Vipergod [Team MRT]   1:48:050   4
17   Dave O [XGN]   1:49:050   3
18   GWyar [XGN]   1:49:278   4
19   Imperious [XGN]   1:49:349   6
20   Dick Forrest [CramDick Racing]   9:44:219   1
21   Ysu [TKO Racing]   NO TIME   

And Silverstone race 1 qualy

Pos   Driver   Best Lap Time   Best Lap Num
1   Guybrush Threepwood [Achilles Heels]   2:00:089   8
2   Marty [Achilles Heels]   2:01:632   7
3   Ysu [TKO Racing]   2:02:181   7
4   Wally [TKO Racing]   2:02:689   8
5   Gratulin [XGN]   2:02:690   9
6   BJSRacer [Projekt Rennesport]   2:02:959   7
7   Glen73 [Projekt Rennesport]   2:02:983   6
8   Bacchulum [Aleph Null Ltd]   2:03:129   6
9   cramjet [CramDick Racing]   2:03:652   2
10   Rob [Team MRT]   2:03:701   4
11   Phil [Team CTR]   2:03:808   2
12   Freezer [XGN]   2:03:845   6
13   Rolz [XGN]   2:04:094   6
14   Vipergod [Team MRT]   2:04:114   7
15   Crimespree [XGN]   2:04:537   6
16   Insomniac [XGN]   2:04:684   5
17   Dick Forrest [CramDick Racing]   2:04:757   3
18   GWyar [XGN]   2:05:396   7
19   Dave O [XGN]   2:06:044   3
20   Grubbet [XGN]   2:06:852   3
21   Imperious [XGN]   2:11:150   5

Having the 1 z4s1 can be ok for the quickest guys, then the 3 lotus elise versions are all quite similar with less then .5s between the standard and s3 I think and they are just a bit quicker then the z4 s1 as they handle much better but similar speeds. If you have 3 of them and the z4 that makes the 8 fastest guys in the much slower cars but looking at lap time spreeds it will be more of a disadvantage to the guys in 7th and 8th I think if they also have the slower lotus. These guys are generally running a pace close to most of the midfield so adding more midfield level cars I think would be better for them rather then having 8 slow cars.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2014, 11:51:39 AM by marty »

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Re: Personal testing for Season 3 at Silverstone International
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2014, 11:56:37 AM »
Just don't go by qualifying times. I generally won't even go out on the track for second race qualifying. I also try to avoid 'going for it' in race one. I really don't want to be anywhere but the very back of the grid.
I'm usually happy with my out lap.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2014, 11:58:13 AM by Dick Forrest »

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Re: Personal testing for Season 3 at Silverstone International
« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2014, 12:07:30 PM »
Wally, when I said use the fastest race-laps, I meant for this testing exercise :)
But then again, it may indeed be better - especially if it's using some averaged-out rank, not the last race results.

But let's not completely forget that we can use the rent-a-car (or buy a car) system, too.  The program exists (somewhere) I can probably dig it up and chuck it on a server, it requires configuration otherwise it should do it...

I think we will all 'hate' whatever we end up in compared to the nimble, light, fast Abarths. These street cars all take far too long to brake and sure dont like turning at speed.
Not even the slightest hint of hate from me.  I prefer tintops anyday.

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Re: Personal testing for Season 3 at Silverstone International
« Reply #40 on: August 22, 2014, 12:13:11 PM »
Just don't go by qualifying times. I generally won't even go out on the track for second race qualifying. I also try to avoid 'going for it' in race one. I really don't want to be anywhere but the very back of the grid.
I'm usually happy with my out lap.

So its quite clear you only like it in the rear.  :D

But you should have a bit of a go your pace is getting better and mixing it with guys at your real pace would probably be more of a challenge and fun for you.

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Re: Personal testing for Season 3 at Silverstone International
« Reply #41 on: August 22, 2014, 12:32:15 PM »
Maybe you don't need to stress too much about 'levelling the field'. From my point of view ( and I stress only talking about my own position ) I am very happy with how the races are panning out ie I don't need/want any handicapping help. By this I don't mean that I am against what is planned with the cars etc. I am just trying to say that as a driver in the middle-to-back of the pack I am happy with the racing as it is so don't worry about getting my part of the field too accurate.

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Re: Personal testing for Season 3 at Silverstone International
« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2014, 12:42:59 PM »
Just don't go by qualifying times. I generally won't even go out on the track for second race qualifying. I also try to avoid 'going for it' in race one. I really don't want to be anywhere but the very back of the grid.
I'm usually happy with my out lap.

So its quite clear you only like it in the rear.  :D

But you should have a bit of a go your pace is getting better and mixing it with guys at your real pace would probably be more of a challenge and fun for you.

don't worry Marty! I'm having a great deal of fun. Even coming last. My ambitions are quite low at this stage. Things like keeping it on the black stuff all race and finishing on the lead lap are enough to keep me satisfied as far as improvement goes.
so far all my race postions have been given to me by other peoples mistakes. Bar one fantastic dive-in I did in front of Gratulin in the DTM at Silverstone. Which I still am chuffed about.

Last night in one of the test runs I was almost un-catchable. Felt like Darren Marsh... ok maybe Guybrush...

There are a lot of fast guys here. But a few of those fast guys make mistakes each week. Mr Vipergod alas seems to be very good at this :) He's fast but it seems every week I'll pass him at some stage as he goes off on one of his 4wd sessions. Insommniac also doesn't mind messing up his race. :)

Please, keep those mistakes coming!

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Re: Personal testing for Season 3 at Silverstone International
« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2014, 12:54:52 PM »
Maybe you don't need to stress too much about 'levelling the field'. From my point of view ( and I stress only talking about my own position ) I am very happy with how the races are panning out ie I don't need/want any handicapping help. By this I don't mean that I am against what is planned with the cars etc. I am just trying to say that as a driver in the middle-to-back of the pack I am happy with the racing as it is so don't worry about getting my part of the field too accurate.

I dont think the mid pack needs much more spicing up its just when the leaders pull away from the pack it does get a little boring. Still challenging in its own way trying to go as fast as I could without a massive mistake and keep soke pressure on guy. But in the end I got half a nose on the inside of him earlyin race 1 and thats as close as I got to any car over the 24 laps there. Lookijg at the results quite often the top 4 or 5 dont have much of a battle and ive had some great fun when needing to fight my way back through the pack.

If we can get it so the average lap pace brings the quicker guys back into the mid pack then should be for some more fun racing. Also having a varied grid with cars having dofferent strengths and weaknesses should be quite fun. Still the quicker guys will be more consistant in the slower cars soguys that have a car advantage will still need to avoid making mistakes if they want to finish ahead.

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Re: Personal testing for Season 3 at Silverstone International
« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2014, 01:05:40 PM »
Looking at lap times maybe instead of scrapping one lotus elise if you scrap both z4's and keep all 3 elises and add the m3 and 1m it will be closer all round. Wr times here have the Elises in the low 1:16s and this way the 6 fastest would have similar cars that are slow but have some hope against the quicker ones in the corners. The Z4's if guys ahead get closer to their potential will make it impossible to really compete in these little beamers I think.

 

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