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Title: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Wally on December 11, 2018, 10:43:08 PM
Congratulations to Kcender87 on pole and the race win. Fastest lap of the race was done by Keith in his C9.

RACE RESULTS (https://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2018/12/s25r6-imsa-gt-at-watkins-glen.html)
SEASON STANDINGS (https://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2018/11/season-25-standings.html)
SEASON STATS (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nu52lWM6_TIRBEGCTF32BxLe8mobfsCFpd_wOeuxpXI/edit?usp=sharing)

Round Points
Kcender87   29
Jeremy   24
Keith   21
Matthew111   18
bradc   16
RussG   15
Phil.8   14
ab156   13
Doobs   12
Bacchulum   11
Mael   10
Freezer   9
AbleArcher83   8
Bird   7
Joe   0


Penalties - 15 second post race time penalty next race
None

Season Standings
1. Matthew111, 132
2. Kcender87, 112
3. Keith, 86




R6: Dec 18, Camel Continental at Watkins Glen (Boot Classic Endurance) (1 stop) [TRACK (https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/watkins-glen-international.20204)]

About the track download:
*********IMPORTANT*********
This track uses a custom shader by @Stereo (https://www.racedepartment.com/members/9613/). Because of this the the archive folder structure is different than previous versions. If you use Content Manager then you can just install it like any other mod. If you do not use Content manager make sure you copy the 3 folders shown here to the main assettocorsa folder.
 (https://www.racedepartment.com/attachments/upload_2018-10-3_13-6-36-png.272488/)
 If the game crashes when loading the track then you did not install it correctly. Please use the support forum if you have any issues.
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: kcender87 on December 15, 2018, 05:52:06 PM
anyone getting a cannot retrieve server list after the ac update? :(
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Wally on December 15, 2018, 06:40:30 PM
anyone getting a cannot retrieve server list after the ac update? :(
AC update?? I'd be surprised if there were any further updates.It seems you're not alone:

https://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/can%E2%80%99t-find-any-server-today.53961/
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Bacchulum on December 15, 2018, 07:44:37 PM
I found the server list down, but CM favourites got me on. ;)
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Bird on December 16, 2018, 08:34:54 PM
Hm...yet another track where the short tail will be schooled on the straight, and no way to take the position back later.  Not complaining, just stating the facts ;)

I've managed a decent low 37 but I'm burning up the rears after a lap or two...:/   
The last bit was always a weak part for me on this layout, I reckon in the proper hands the shorty could do a 36 no probs.  I just can't get the last 3 corners done properly, especially the 3rd last, I keep losing grip there (as usual for me).
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Wally on December 17, 2018, 10:30:17 AM
Hm...yet another track where the short tail will be schooled on the straight, and no way to take the position back later.  Not complaining, just stating the facts ;)

I've managed a decent low 37 but I'm burning up the rears after a lap or two...:/   
The last bit was always a weak part for me on this layout, I reckon in the proper hands the shorty could do a 36 no probs.  I just can't get the last 3 corners done properly, especially the 3rd last, I keep losing grip there (as usual for me).
You're only 0.15 off of Kcender's C9 time!
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Bird on December 17, 2018, 11:16:12 AM
Hm...yet another track where the short tail will be schooled on the straight, and no way to take the position back later.  Not complaining, just stating the facts ;)

I've managed a decent low 37 but I'm burning up the rears after a lap or two...:/   
The last bit was always a weak part for me on this layout, I reckon in the proper hands the shorty could do a 36 no probs.  I just can't get the last 3 corners done properly, especially the 3rd last, I keep losing grip there (as usual for me).
You're only 0.15 off of Kcender's C9 time!


Yeah, and if I could drive the bloody thing I'd be ahead... :)

But the diff in top speed....
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Mael on December 17, 2018, 12:13:00 PM
Hm...yet another track where the short tail will be schooled on the straight, and no way to take the position back later.  Not complaining, just stating the facts ;)

I've managed a decent low 37 but I'm burning up the rears after a lap or two...:/   
The last bit was always a weak part for me on this layout, I reckon in the proper hands the shorty could do a 36 no probs.  I just can't get the last 3 corners done properly, especially the 3rd last, I keep losing grip there (as usual for me).
You're only 0.15 off of Kcender's C9 time!

Might be time to start adding ballast back to the Shorty!!
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Bird on December 17, 2018, 12:26:12 PM
Hm...yet another track where the short tail will be schooled on the straight, and no way to take the position back later.  Not complaining, just stating the facts ;)

I've managed a decent low 37 but I'm burning up the rears after a lap or two...:/   
The last bit was always a weak part for me on this layout, I reckon in the proper hands the shorty could do a 36 no probs.  I just can't get the last 3 corners done properly, especially the 3rd last, I keep losing grip there (as usual for me).
You're only 0.15 off of Kcender's C9 time!

Might be time to start adding ballast back to the Shorty!!

...and an extra manadatory pit stop to the c9 to even the pit times out :D

No, I reckon even as it is, it's a penalty that you have to try and get past on the twisties, not comfortably on the straight.  The pit stop & fuel usage is an added burden, still.
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Freezer on December 17, 2018, 05:08:41 PM
Hm...yet another track where the short tail will be schooled on the straight, and no way to take the position back later.  Not complaining, just stating the facts ;)

I've managed a decent low 37 but I'm burning up the rears after a lap or two...:/   
The last bit was always a weak part for me on this layout, I reckon in the proper hands the shorty could do a 36 no probs.  I just can't get the last 3 corners done properly, especially the 3rd last, I keep losing grip there (as usual for me).
You're only 0.15 off of Kcender's C9 time!

Might be time to start adding ballast back to the Shorty!!

...and an extra manadatory pit stop to the c9 to even the pit times out :D

No, I reckon even as it is, it's a penalty that you have to try and get past on the twisties, not comfortably on the straight.  The pit stop & fuel usage is an added burden, still.
The Shorty has barely been in the top 10 all season . . . so not sure why we keep talking about penalising it!   Practice server lap times are not at all reflective of the racing reality.
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: doobs on December 17, 2018, 06:35:34 PM
Hm...yet another track where the short tail will be schooled on the straight, and no way to take the position back later.  Not complaining, just stating the facts ;)

I've managed a decent low 37 but I'm burning up the rears after a lap or two...:/   
The last bit was always a weak part for me on this layout, I reckon in the proper hands the shorty could do a 36 no probs.  I just can't get the last 3 corners done properly, especially the 3rd last, I keep losing grip there (as usual for me).
You're only 0.15 off of Kcender's C9 time!

Might be time to start adding ballast back to the Shorty!!

...and an extra manadatory pit stop to the c9 to even the pit times out :D

No, I reckon even as it is, it's a penalty that you have to try and get past on the twisties, not comfortably on the straight.  The pit stop & fuel usage is an added burden, still.
The Shorty has barely been in the top 10 all season . . . so not sure why we keep talking about penalising it!   Practice server lap times are not at all reflective of the racing reality.

Yup, especially when you refuel the fecking things
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: bradc on December 17, 2018, 11:00:35 PM
What a great track. I haven't driven the boot layout since the days of N2003, but it's just like I remembered. I know there is a little more time in there and with race fuel and tyres there might be a little more speed but there is only 24 hours in a day....hopefully this race delivers all that I'm hoping for as this is an awesome track!
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Joe on December 18, 2018, 08:04:03 AM
Hm...yet another track where the short tail will be schooled on the straight, and no way to take the position back later.  Not complaining, just stating the facts ;)

I've managed a decent low 37 but I'm burning up the rears after a lap or two...:/   
The last bit was always a weak part for me on this layout, I reckon in the proper hands the shorty could do a 36 no probs.  I just can't get the last 3 corners done properly, especially the 3rd last, I keep losing grip there (as usual for me).
You're only 0.15 off of Kcender's C9 time!

Might be time to start adding ballast back to the Shorty!!

...and an extra manadatory pit stop to the c9 to even the pit times out :D

No, I reckon even as it is, it's a penalty that you have to try and get past on the twisties, not comfortably on the straight.  The pit stop & fuel usage is an added burden, still.
The Shorty has barely been in the top 10 all season . . . so not sure why we keep talking about penalising it!   Practice server lap times are not at all reflective of the racing reality.

Exactly. Race wise the Shorty and Mazda produce some close racing, but we've had zero chance against the longtail or C9s as they smoke us on the straights, slow us down in the corners but can't get past and even if we manage a pass due to a mistake they'll smoke us on the next straight.
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Bacchulum on December 18, 2018, 11:04:40 AM
From pre-season I ranked the cars, fastest to slowest:

C9
Longtail
Shortail
Mazda

so I never understood the shorty getting restriction of any kind. ???
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Mael on December 18, 2018, 11:20:39 AM
The Shorty has barely been in the top 10 all season . . . so not sure why we keep talking about penalising it!   Practice server lap times are not at all reflective of the racing reality.

The restrictions are not meant to be fair, it is there to help the Long-tail win. As the esteemed cricket team showed its all about winning and not how you play  :P Now I'm wondering; if I attack the C9 with a bit of sandpaper would it slow it down?
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Bacchulum on December 18, 2018, 11:49:58 AM
The Shorty has barely been in the top 10 all season . . . so not sure why we keep talking about penalising it!   Practice server lap times are not at all reflective of the racing reality.

The restrictions are not meant to be fair, it is there to help the Long-tail win. As the esteemed cricket team showed its all about winning and not how you play  :P Now I'm wondering; if I attack the C9 with a bit of sandpaper would it slow it down?
No, you'll just make it lighter. :o
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Simone on December 18, 2018, 03:13:39 PM
Tonight!!!.......My goal is.........to beat Bird.       
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Bird on December 18, 2018, 03:27:41 PM
Tonight!!!.......My goal is.........to beat Bird.       
Beat your own bird you pervert!
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: RussG on December 18, 2018, 05:25:21 PM
Should be an interesting race.

Shorty will lose all hope after the long pit stop of course.
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: ab156 on December 18, 2018, 05:50:19 PM
Hm...yet another track where the short tail will be schooled on the straight, and no way to take the position back later.  Not complaining, just stating the facts ;)

I've managed a decent low 37 but I'm burning up the rears after a lap or two...:/   
The last bit was always a weak part for me on this layout, I reckon in the proper hands the shorty could do a 36 no probs.  I just can't get the last 3 corners done properly, especially the 3rd last, I keep losing grip there (as usual for me).
You're only 0.15 off of Kcender's C9 time!

Might be time to start adding ballast back to the Shorty!!

...and an extra manadatory pit stop to the c9 to even the pit times out :D

No, I reckon even as it is, it's a penalty that you have to try and get past on the twisties, not comfortably on the straight.  The pit stop & fuel usage is an added burden, still.
The Shorty has barely been in the top 10 all season . . . so not sure why we keep talking about penalising it!   Practice server lap times are not at all reflective of the racing reality.

Exactly. Race wise the Shorty and Mazda produce some close racing, but we've had zero chance against the longtail or C9s as they smoke us on the straights, slow us down in the corners but can't get past and even if we manage a pass due to a mistake they'll smoke us on the next straight.

http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=2444.msg47490#msg47490
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: ab156 on December 18, 2018, 05:50:35 PM
From pre-season I ranked the cars, fastest to slowest:

C9
Longtail
Shortail
Mazda

so I never understood the shorty getting restriction of any kind. ???

http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=2444.msg47490#msg47490
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: ab156 on December 18, 2018, 05:51:01 PM
Should be an interesting race.

Shorty will lose all hope after the long pit stop of course.

http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=2444.msg47490#msg47490
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Joe on December 18, 2018, 06:10:43 PM
haha I'm not whinging I chose the Mazda knowing it was slower because I enjoyed driving it. I know it wouldnt have much chance.
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Bacchulum on December 18, 2018, 06:16:17 PM
From pre-season I ranked the cars, fastest to slowest:

C9
Longtail
Shortail
Mazda

so I never understood the shorty getting restriction of any kind. ???

http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=2444.msg47490#msg47490
Almost, but that's not a whinge, just a statement of confusion. ;) 8)
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Wally on December 18, 2018, 06:21:12 PM
Server's up.
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Wally on December 18, 2018, 06:31:37 PM
From pre-season I ranked the cars, fastest to slowest:

C9
Longtail
Shortail
Mazda

so I never understood the shorty getting restriction of any kind. ???

http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=2444.msg47490#msg47490 (http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=2444.msg47490#msg47490)
Almost, but that's not a whinge, just a statement of confusion. ;) 8)
Going by my car time ranking, using a sample size of about 170 instead of 1, the shorty lap times were on average roughly 0.5 seconds faster than the long tail. I also wanted to penalise the shorty slightly for being somewhat easier to drive than the other cars, to encourage people to drive the harder cars. What I didn't take into account was that the shorty is slow to refuel.

BoP sure ain't easy!
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Freezer on December 18, 2018, 10:22:43 PM
Tough night for me.  Qualified 9th after a few average laps but got a great jump and was into 5th behind Mael.  Mael offered up the Multi21 so I slipped by and was able to keep about 2 second gap to the pack in front.  But after a few laps I decided to look at a guage for something and proceeded to miss the brake marker at the end of the back straight!!  I almost saved it but glanced to wall.  Damage fix was necessary so limped back, fixed it and took a bit of my fuel and pushed on.  From there it was a lonely race, only seeing Kcender and Jeremy (twice) as the lapped me.  Not sure if I caused Jeremy grief on the second pass as I got a momentary black screen and ran off.  Other than that it was just a case of getting it home...
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Wally on December 18, 2018, 10:31:02 PM
Results are up in the 1st post.
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Joe on December 19, 2018, 08:14:58 AM
Had a poor start missing a gear and loosing places. Had a tangle with Able after 5 mins breaking my windscreen and giving me body damage. Also had a spin that may have collected Mael but I thought he was well past me by the time I spun? Limped along for 30 mins to pit and fix all my damage, then on my first lap out I got a little loose on cold tyres and made a very slight touch with a wall which somehow broke both front suspension. Not sure how I was barely moving. Limped back to the pits and fixed it, but came out a lap down on everyone and didn't really feel like a further 20 mins of hotlapping in the heat so retired from the race.
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Bird on December 19, 2018, 08:38:33 AM
Shitty night for me, too.   
I could not find my qualify legs - as usual - but also that 98% grip was enough to throw me off big time, somehow.   I just could not get the car around corners fast without losing the rear.

The race started ok, seemed like we'll have an epic battle, but got in a tangle with Phil, had to take an early pit, making the race a two-stopper already.  Then another when I overtook AbleArcher's merc on the outside of T7 (the tight right hander) and he could not turn in entirely tight (or maybe I did not go wide enough) - although this second did not cause too much damage and I was able to drive on no probs.  Then I've overrevved the engine on a downshift pretty bad, opted to fix it (bad idea!!!) so I sat in the pits for about 5 minutes the second time.   

After the first one I still had a chance not to be dead last (slight, because of the fuel usage & subsequent pit time), but after the second; nothing.

Just one of those nights... :)

Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: keithsgillan on December 19, 2018, 11:29:15 AM
Going into the evening I felt I would be circulating to minimize championship points lost. Downloading and installing the track after 8pm, didn't give me much time to practice let alone setup, although I do like Watkins Glen. I went with my Sebring setup, adjusted the gears, then the tyre pressures and it was time for qually.

I set a banker lap on medium tyres and realised my hard pressures were not suited for the qually session. I changed to softs, tweaked the pressures, and  came out into a nice gap on track. Starting my hot lap I encountered some traffic coming out of the pits which had me abort the lap (nothing malicious, just bad timing). Felt like I had a second more in it but still happy to start 10th.

The race had a few moments, the main one being a turn 4 tangle with Mael. My sincerest apologies I miss calculated my braking distance, locked up and became a passenger. I was hoping you noticed and could take evasive action but unfortunately we came together. I waited for Mael to rejoin and circulated behind him for a little while. From there I felt the car was pretty good but felt the pack would be too far away to catch. People started to pit and my tyres were still good so I continued to lap. Kcender rejoined the track just in front of me after his pit stop but he wasn't pulling away like he normally does, that gave me confidence to push on. I lapped until my fuel was all but empty, came out of the pits in 4th with Matthew 20 seconds up the road. I predicted that's how we would finish, so I just watched my delta and was trying to be consistent. With about 5 minutes to go I noticed Matthew was having trouble and was coming back to me. I figured his tyres may have been off so I pushed up close to him and kept the pressure on with a couple laps to go. He held out well and I had accepted 4th, until he ran wide in the final turn on the last lap of the race. I kept it on the racing line and took 3rd    :)
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Mael on December 19, 2018, 11:32:00 AM
The night race started bad, a first lap incident with Keith (20% my fault/80% his I would judge) which caused a red nose and some interesting handling. A few laps of learning the car's new handling followed before suddenly parked up against the wall all broken   :'(  Joe must have just nicked my rear bumper as I passed causing a 90 degree turn into the rather solid walls of Watkins Glen.

Luckily the pitlane was close at hand, repaired the damage, put on some hard boots and tried to make it 40 minutes on one tank of fuel. But the hard tires turned out to be a bad idea, the car just would not turn! Lapping around 3 seconds slower and realizing that the fuel saving was not enough I made a second pitstop for a bit more fuel and some proper tires.

Ended up behind Keith (a lap down off course) with 20 minutes to go, but this made the night for me. I had an idea to irritate him by following closely so gave it absolutely everything the Porsche had. But noting I tried worked, doing my best laps averaging in the 1:38's I could see him edging away inexplicable every single lap. Using 90% to 100% turbo did not help at all. But what fun trying to keep up  :)  It was only afterwards looking at the results that I realized he was lapping at the fastest pace of anybody in the race, good driving Keith.

Also managed to finish ahead of my team mate, must have been a horror night Freezer!
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: keithsgillan on December 19, 2018, 01:27:29 PM
The night race started bad, a first lap incident with Keith (20% my fault/80% his I would judge) which caused a red nose and some interesting handling.

I consider it my miss judgment that created the tangle so I take responsibility for this one. I had a great run on AB out of turn 1, I patiently waited through the S bends then wound the Merc up to 100% boost. Initially I didn't intend on passing both of you but the closing speed was strong and I felt it was on. I believe I escaped the eyes of the stewards because it was incident actually occurred on lap 3.

Anyway my apologies, and I'm glad you could still find some enjoyment in the evenings event.
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Freezer on December 19, 2018, 07:42:32 PM
Luckily the pitlane was close at hand, repaired the damage, put on some hard boots and tried to make it 40 minutes on one tank of fuel. But the hard tires turned out to be a bad idea, the car just would not turn!
Just looking at the results and realised that in my haste to pit after my lap 8 crash, I have thrown on hards also which was costing me around 2 seconds a lap . . . dooh!
Also managed to finish ahead of my team mate, must have been a horror night Freezer!
Yeah wasn't the best but both crashing and wrong tyres were my own silly fault . . . so can't complain!
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: Joe on December 19, 2018, 09:03:01 PM
Joe must have just nicked my rear bumper as I passed causing a 90 degree turn into the rather solid walls of Watkins Glen.

Damn thought you were well past me when I started spinning.
Title: Re: S25R6: Camel Continental at Watkins Glen
Post by: RussG on December 20, 2018, 10:37:11 AM
I had a good night  ;D
Didn't get everything out of it in qually, but still a fairly good lap and good enough to qually 4th,
Before race start, I predicted it didn't much matter where I quallied as I'd be behind the Merc's and Longy's by the end of the straight.
As predicted this was the case, but the good qually meant I was first in line behind them in 9th. Picked up 2 spots with the Keith/Mael tangle.
I was much faster than Brad, but couldn't do anything until he made a mistake. Managed to get by ab, then Freezer went off as I was getting close to him.
Matthew must have had some issue and came back to me, then at the icy left turn he went wide and I stayed on the line. As we converged my front lightly tapped his rear (I wasn't even attempting an overtake) and turned Matthew sideways. Waited for him to get going and pressed on. About 8 seconds lost.
This incident turned out to be crucial as after the pit stops Brad (with much shorter stop) came out just in front of me, and although I was much faster I couldn't do anything as he just pulled away after the exit of every turn. I must say it was great fun trying to get Brad - I even managed to stick the nose up the inside a few times but was unable to complete a pass.
5th was the best possible, but 6th is still a great result for the might Shorty  ;D ;D ;D
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