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Title: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Wally on May 09, 2017, 10:45:28 PM
RACE RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2017/05/gt-at-nordschleife-endurance-2-hours.html)

1. Kcender87
2. Marty
3. Matthew111

Fastest lap by Kcender - 8:15.250

Well done to the podium and well done to all finishers! 13 of us, I think.

Kcender and Marty are the only guys who had no contacts. The record for contacts was Seanus with 29 (car and environment), followed by Russ with 27.
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Matthew111 on May 09, 2017, 10:57:29 PM
Nice consistent race for me just ran my own race for most part until the end of my stints rolz would close up, Had a nice moment with rolz on the second last lap but the exit of aremburg its apparently called I somehow clipped his bumper trying to tuck back in behind which for all money looked like he was way past but it sent me sliding down a wall to disturb my race kinda annoying at the end but it didn't do anything anyway so all good tried hunting him down on the last lap, I started closing in but unfortunately his 911 snapped on him so that was a cheap inheritance of 3rd place :)
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: grat on May 09, 2017, 10:59:26 PM
Sorry guys. Despite it all, I manage to jump in and even had a nice start, passing Rolz in the first few corners. A bit after Flugplatz, my PC went crazy with really a lot of stuttering. I completed a properly heroic first lap hoping it would pass, but when at the end of the lap it was still there, I realized I could not handle it and I would have surely spun in front of all soon and ruin the night for all.

A shame. But at least it gave me a pair of hours to keep working on fixing the pc. I knew there were still one or two things I had to take care of, but they seemed minor and I did not have time last week. I think I have made a bit of progress tonight. Some encouraging signs. Maybe the light at the end of the tunnel... ehm, the Dottinger Hohe at the end of the tunnel is near...
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: marty on May 09, 2017, 11:11:38 PM
Good race to all finishers, I saw Kcender start on softs and saw his early pace which was just way too quick, once he got a stop ahead by lap 5 especially as I started light to maybe get a jump on him in the early laps I knew my race was done. Then when I saw he crossed the line by the end of lap 15 stopping early and leaving 5l in the pits from my 120l max to make just over 14 laps I needed a quick splash with one to go. I luckily just stayed ahead of Rolz and Matthew after that but the mediums after 10 laps or about 85 minutes were not at their best.  I couldn't make the softs work in the audi at all and chose that over the mclaren as I liked it more on the mediums, didnt really think 2 stops on softs would have been that much quicker but no blankets probably helped that out more getting to temp sooner but still Kcender was just too quick. Even without a wheel in the dirt over the distance it wasn't enough, I maybe could have gone 1 second per lap quicker with a bit more risk but was over 60 seconds down before needing the extra stop so it would have made no difference.
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Wally on May 09, 2017, 11:25:46 PM
I ran hards for this race. I planned on one stop, but I was too damaged after a crash into the barriers after the Flugplatz jump, which saw Bacchulum up my clacker. Sorry if I was all over the shop there, but my windscreen was smashed, and suspension was damaged with my steering wheel at an angle. I made it back to pits for repairs, but only fixed the body and not the suspension, which fixed my damage, but left the steering wheel crooked. I also switched to Mediums for a short stint.

I was vaguely around Bacchulum, Russ and Steven for some of the race, but ended up taking out the "Loneliest" award for the race, as for a lot of it there was no one in sight. Near the end, Steven was hard behind me, flashing his lights at me. Maybe he thought I was lapped traffic, but I was 9th and he was 10th, and I wasn't seeing any blue flags. He seemed pretty desperate to get past, but ended up losing time with some mistakes when he pushed too hard. On the penultimate lap, the two of us were still battling for position, with a couple of passes each, but unfortunately he ran out of fuel before the last lap.
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Shameless_1 on May 09, 2017, 11:28:14 PM
Qual ended up being 10th. struggled with getting the setup right all week.. finally got one i was stable with a low aero...but when tyre blankets were off I had to up pressures by 1 all round and raise aero to 4.  Wasn't bad unless i really pushed hard then the rears got too hot.. had a few light taps in the wall so barely a scratch.. few times i lost the rear but managed to keep it off the wall.. Held off Jeremy for a lap and a half,, but he had more grunt and speed up the hill than me in his Huracan so I pulled to the left and 3 laps or so later he pulled out of sight but later must have crashed and quit.  I Passed Mael under slipstream and managed to hold 6th for half the race, Mael pitted one lap before me but I stuffed my pit up next lap and lost time.. he passed me and I couldn't reel him back in. I tried but everytime i pushed I would lose the rear.  Settled for 8th overall so pretty happy,, fastest I could push for was an 8:30.3., crashed when those who had finished starting chatting to each other on ts.. thankfully only near medium damage so car was ok after it spun and tapped the wall twice..

Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: kcender87 on May 09, 2017, 11:38:05 PM
Great fun this one - knew Marty was going to have some proper consistent pace so had to do some strategy math to create a buffer. Math suggested a 2 stopper with softs the whole race would end up 5 - 8 seconds faster over the 15 laps than 1 stopper and meds. Trade off is the tyres start to go a bit sloppy half way through the pit in lap (ie 3 times during the race) - benefit is you can run a lower average fuel weight but any real mistake would negate the benefit of the strategy. Risk seems to have paid off. Congrats to everyone that made it through the laps - the concentration for a 2 hours stint here is right up there. 24 hour with driver swaps anyone? (that is a joke - please do not do a 24 hour race :P)
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Rolz on May 10, 2017, 07:55:26 AM
Firstly thanks for setting this up Wally, thanks Marty for the practice server and thanks for inviting ROOZ to take part!  :)

Certainly toughest event I have done to date... anyone else felt like that message up the top of the screen (Leader has 2 laps...) felt like ages?? :P
Thank goodness I had the intuition to just add a few more litres to my pitstop fuel load before starting or I would have been close to dry by the end.
My tires were stuffed by the end... (sidekick said high 50's on the tire bar)

I was shattered by the end of it... my wrists were so sore...

Congrats to Kcender87 for the win, that pace over that long was impressive! Nice work Marty and Matthew111 for the place.

Cheers again to Matthew111 for some awesome close racing for such a long period! Thanks also to UnFknBLievable for keeping the pressure on...

Top stuff to all that completed this mammoth event! Sorry to see you drop off grat, I was looking forward to racing you again :)

Cheers all :)

Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Wally on May 10, 2017, 07:59:44 AM
anyone else felt like that message up the top of the screen (Leader has 2 laps...) felt like ages?? :P
Yes! When I realised I had to still do one more lap, my heart sunk just a little. :)
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Mael on May 10, 2017, 10:32:04 AM
when tyre blankets were off I had to up pressures by 1 all round and raise aero to 4. 

I decided to go with no changes for the lower temperatures but for some reason the car had no pace for the first few laps. I lost almost 10s to you on lap two, 5s on lap three before matching your laptimes Shameless. I pushed as hard as I could on the outlap and expected to sneak out just in front of you, was pleasantly surprised with the gap after your stop.

Shayne had some damage which allowed me to make up a whole pitstop over the last 50 minutes, next time do a pitstop and repair the damage Shayne!  ;D
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: stevenngo on May 10, 2017, 10:48:49 AM
He seemed pretty desperate to get past, but ended up losing time with some mistakes when he pushed too hard. On the penultimate lap, the two of us were still battling for position, with a couple of passes each, but unfortunately he ran out of fuel before the last lap.

Haha my ping was very unstable and couldn't trust myself to get too close, it was a good race Wally while it lasted
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: marty on May 10, 2017, 10:49:11 AM
In the 650 I found it was about 3-4 seconds per lap faster softs vs mediums but as Kcender said it went away a bit by lap 5. Seems practice with blankets made me not realize how much slower the mediums would be to get to temp over softs. This extra time meant they grained more and so lost another 4 or more seconds per lap. At 3 seconds per lap over 15 laps with no errors the softs would be quicker then mediums but the audi was cooking rears on softs and was barely faster then mediums so it wasnt really an option.

I didnt think I would lose 40 seconds over 5 laps which meant even if I went longer first stint I would have not stayed ahead where possibly it could have effected kcenders strategy a bit. Trying a short first stint to get an advantage and losing 40 seconds pretty much dashed all hope. He likely still would have passed easily me with nearly 10 seconds per lap advantage on fresh tyres so unless he made a mistake he made the best strategy choice especially as on mediums the audi probably had the edge over the 650.  ;)

anyone else felt like that message up the top of the screen (Leader has 2 laps...) felt like ages?? :P
Yes! When I realised I had to still do one more lap, my heart sunk just a little. :)

Seeing I had fuel for 14.5 laps going 15 wasnt exactly what I wanted to see lol. It does make it interesting and I would like to see main season races go to a time in some seasons especially if the format is based on time which most recent seasons have been. Trying to save 5l of fuel wasmt worth the 20 seconds lost adding the fuel with 1 to go.  :-\
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Wally on May 10, 2017, 10:58:19 AM
Yes, time based races are interesting and I'll certainly add some next season.
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: stevenngo on May 10, 2017, 11:00:55 AM
Any plans on another enduro?  :)

I started to regret voting for a 2 hour enduro as the race got closer but it seems that racing online is much more engaging and you don't get fatigue as you do when you drive solo

Had to help out in the kitchen and couldn't finish till minutes before the race begain so I didn't have time to make it into teamspeak, luckily I managed to join the server as the race was starting
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Shayne on May 10, 2017, 11:03:32 AM
when tyre blankets were off I had to up pressures by 1 all round and raise aero to 4. 

I decided to go with no changes for the lower temperatures but for some reason the car had no pace for the first few laps. I lost almost 10s to you on lap two, 5s on lap three before matching your laptimes Shameless. I pushed as hard as I could on the outlap and expected to sneak out just in front of you, was pleasantly surprised with the gap after your stop.

Shayne had some damage which allowed me to make up a whole pitstop over the last 50 minutes, next time do a pitstop and repair the damage Shayne!  ;D

haha it wouldn't of helped much. I had one crash before my pitstop. The car felt ok, maybe loose a bit but as a whole it felt ok so I wasn't going to repair it. After my pitstop I crashed about 5 times or something, it was a pretty ordinary performance really, I'm surprised the car still felt ok after all the crashes. My wheel was still straight at the end and my window wasn't cracked. I bounced off some walls pretty hard at times too. The last few crashes all happened in about 2 laps and thats where you were able to pass. My tyres were absolutely ruined and I was sliding everywhere by the end. My tyres ranged from 30%-40% left. I don't think I've ever raced in AC with tyres that have been so worn down.

I was fiddling with my fuel levels just before the race and forgot to fill it back up so I started the race with only 80L out of the 120L tank. When I pitted I filled it, I could of actually gone one lap longer before needing to fill but I thought I had enough to finish the race, with that extra lap I ended up needing to pit again on the last lap to make it to the end.

It was a good event, thanks Wally! Next time I'll make sure I do more practice. I wasn't really ready for taking on nords in the Audi this time.
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: marty on May 10, 2017, 11:36:26 AM
Any plans on another enduro?  :)

I started to regret voting for a 2 hour enduro as the race got closer but it seems that racing online is much more engaging and you don't get fatigue as you do when you drive solo

Had to help out in the kitchen and couldn't finish till minutes before the race begain so I didn't have time to make it into teamspeak, luckily I managed to join the server as the race was starting

I would like to do more proper enduro's I think the regular season enduro is what most real world series call a sprint race. Blancpain sprint series format is actually a 1 hour race with a forced pit stop.  ;)

Shame numbers werent that high with 17 starters and of this I think 3 or 4 didnt make it but only Grat with PC issues was a very early retirement. This makes it seem its not the most popular but even similar numbers I would be happy to do more 1.5 to 2 hr races.

Full length f1 races would be fun, I dont know how long the historic f1's used to race but even running that full season at real race distances would be interesting with no need for those silly multipliers to try and pretend we are actually doing proper length races.  ;)
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Rolz on May 10, 2017, 11:44:03 AM
This makes it seem its not the most popular

I think Nords generally scares people off... an enduro at Spa would be a different kettle of fish  ::)
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: marty on May 10, 2017, 11:46:45 AM
This makes it seem its not the most popular

I think Nords generally scares people off... an enduro at Spa would be a different kettle of fish  ::)

Yet gt cars are the supposedly most popular online and the most popular track online is also Nords.  ;)

Funnily enough however most like Nords only for trackdays with the big majority claiming its not a good track to race. The only difference between running a longer race at Spa is you would lap more cars but if of the 3 cars I lapped 1 nearly took me out both times when I passed it twice. Having to deal with cars very sketchy when being lapped and under no pressure isnt exactly what I consider more fun.  ;)
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Rolz on May 10, 2017, 12:21:46 PM
probably also worth noting is that this was a fun run... had this been part of a season X league race you would probably had a few more take part.

I was only giving Spa as an example, use any reasonable size track as an enduro... being lapped then would be something most of us would have to handle...
Then you could run multiple classes if you get closer to 30 starters...

I'd also make being on TS/discord a requirement of participation... the bandwidth overheads are so small these days there really isn't any excuse not to run it.

just random musings over my lunch break :)
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Mael on May 10, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
I'd also make being on TS/discord a requirement of participation... the bandwidth overheads are so small these days there really isn't any excuse not to run it.
just random musings over my lunch break :)

Not for us guys on Mobile Internet, TS/Discord can overwhelm my system. Discord more so than Teamspeak from my experience.

I really enjoyed the week long practice/qualifying, we should continue with the idea for future enduro's.
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Rolz on May 10, 2017, 12:30:20 PM
Not for us guys on Mobile Internet, TS/Discord can overwhelm my system. Discord more so than Teamspeak from my experience.
I was going to say last night ur too good to talk to us at ROOZ where u were happily babbling along here :P
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Wally on May 10, 2017, 12:51:39 PM
I quite like the qualifying through the week and the long race, but there are many factors to balance. Some people may not be able to qualify during the week. People can't start the night too late or early, and others can't finish too late. I keep Tuesday nights to roughly the same start and end times, as time has proven that it's a compromise that suits all.


But it's definitely a good way to do the occasional fun run. A 2 hr enduro like this one could well be a regular between season feature.
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Rolz on May 10, 2017, 12:54:47 PM
A 2 hr enduro like this one could well be a regular between season feature.

I've got the bug and will be back if you do run more  ;D
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: kcender87 on May 10, 2017, 12:56:20 PM
Dead keen for an enduro series in these cars. A large field on somewhere like Spa will bring traffic, an evolving track and strategy all into play with each other over 2 hours and really create a great race - Tuesday after next in Belgium?
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: marty on May 10, 2017, 01:47:56 PM
Even a regular season qualifying could be very short 8 minutes or so, with the evolving tracl its usually the last 3 minutes that sets the grid anyhow. Even a 5 minute plus finish the lap will give a chance for a couple flying laps in most combos. You can then do an hour and half race which would start  qualy at 8:30 and be still finished before 10:30. I dont really know what the actual qualy start to finish your looking for Wally.

Another Enduro possibly after the coming season which is only planned for 5 weeks starting in a couple weeks, maybe even try a multi class race either gt3 and some gt4 style cars or have gt2/e and lmp cars in the mext enduro for wec race.
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Wally on May 10, 2017, 01:50:33 PM
Dead keen for an enduro series in these cars. A large field on somewhere like Spa will bring traffic, an evolving track and strategy all into play with each other over 2 hours and really create a great race - Tuesday after next in Belgium?
The season after next will be a WEC endurance style season, where enduros would be perfect.
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Shameless_1 on May 10, 2017, 04:26:23 PM
is there a decent lemans track we can race on for an enduro? mixed class on that would surely bring the numbers as well as spa.

And if we're racing cars like the 919s would the Pagani Zonda R have a place on the grid perhaps?
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: stevenngo on May 10, 2017, 05:17:23 PM
great thing about spa is that it is not as punishing to make a mistake as much as nordschleiefe and feel demoralised after your car gets damaged,

though I do hope to do an enduro on Bathurst one day with GT cars
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: marty on May 10, 2017, 05:26:46 PM
I find Le mans the most boring track around personally, there is a mod track around but I would much prefer a race at Spa or amy of the other WEC circuits that arent Le Mans lol.

919's will get some competition as Kunos will release Audi and Toyota LMP1 cars at some point. I would probably hold off on a wec season until those come as its not likely we will get multipke wec seasons. There will also be more gte cars coming but no real news of what or when has been announced other then whats been announced but yet unreleased. A WEC enduro as a mixed class test after this season would work and I think Spa would be a good track for it.

The Zonda R is a trackday special hypercar kind of competing with the 599xx, laferrari fxxk,p1 gtr, 918 etc ts not close to an lmp1 car.
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Wally on May 10, 2017, 06:14:39 PM
I think you'd have to throw Le Mans into the mix! There is a mod track listed already in the Tue Mod Tracks forum.
After the next open wheeler season, we'll see what cars are available.
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: marty on May 10, 2017, 06:51:17 PM
For a season yes but a one off enduro there are much more enjoyable tracks I think to race at.
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Wally on May 10, 2017, 07:09:19 PM
Yeah, I was thinking as part of a season for sure.
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Shameless_1 on May 10, 2017, 07:56:40 PM
I find Le mans the most boring track around personally, there is a mod track around but I would much prefer a race at Spa or amy of the other WEC circuits that arent Le Mans lol.

919's will get some competition as Kunos will release Audi and Toyota LMP1 cars at some point. I would probably hold off on a wec season until those come as its not likely we will get multipke wec seasons. There will also be more gte cars coming but no real news of what or when has been announced other then whats been announced but yet unreleased. A WEC enduro as a mixed class test after this season would work and I think Spa would be a good track for it.

The Zonda R is a trackday special hypercar kind of competing with the 599xx, laferrari fxxk,p1 gtr, 918 etc ts not close to an lmp1 car.

could always put in the 599xx the the fxxxk and the zonda r as a class if they are comparable. And another class type as well for a mixed race
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: marty on May 10, 2017, 08:20:31 PM
I find Le mans the most boring track around personally, there is a mod track around but I would much prefer a race at Spa or amy of the other WEC circuits that arent Le Mans lol.

919's will get some competition as Kunos will release Audi and Toyota LMP1 cars at some point. I would probably hold off on a wec season until those come as its not likely we will get multipke wec seasons. There will also be more gte cars coming but no real news of what or when has been announced other then whats been announced but yet unreleased. A WEC enduro as a mixed class test after this season would work and I think Spa would be a good track for it.

The Zonda R is a trackday special hypercar kind of competing with the 599xx, laferrari fxxk,p1 gtr, 918 etc ts not close to an lmp1 car.

could always put in the 599xx the the fxxxk and the zonda r as a class if they are comparable. And another class type as well for a mixed race

You would need considerably more drivers then last race to consider so many different classes, also those cars arent that evenly matched and a bit too close to gt3 yet done so differently they dont go so well together. Also they are probably all considerably trickier to drive then gt3 if you wanted to go another class I think a low powered basic high grip class like gt4 would work better but even 2 classes is more then enough with less then 20 starters.
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Wally on May 10, 2017, 09:57:37 PM
Come season 18, we'll be driving LMP1 cars and GTE cars (at least Porsche 911 RSR, Ferrari 488/458 GT2, Corvette C7.R).
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Shameless_1 on May 11, 2017, 07:55:50 PM
I think more non season events would be good, but advertising would be needed to get in more numbers.  But a season of lmp1 and gt3 would be good.. on medium to large tracks.. maybe do a class swap each race..

how fast is GTE compared to GT4?
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Sin on May 15, 2017, 11:33:16 AM
Sorry for the no show. Had to fly out. Congrats to all, would have been fun.
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: marty on May 15, 2017, 12:17:50 PM
I think more non season events would be good, but advertising would be needed to get in more numbers.  But a season of lmp1 and gt3 would be good.. on medium to large tracks.. maybe do a class swap each race..

how fast is GTE compared to GT4?

I think with multiclass for one off events best to let people choose the class they want to race, no need to force people to choose a car they arent comfortable with. Numbers wise not much you can do, some simply arent into endurance races and just like in a regular season if 30 enter your lucky to get 24 start a race due to  people unable to make it for whatever reason.

This is why I find it funny one of the most asked for additions is driver swaps. Using the last race as an example with 17 starters in a car swap race that would have been 8 cars on track. I would rather do a solo stint with twice as many cars instead of running half a race with half a field. But if it meant that we could run a 2 hour race with optional swaps, some could run as a team and others could do the full race we may get more in otherwise not wanting to run the 2 hours so increase the field this way.  ;)

GT4 vs GTE is considerably slower as gt4 is more production car based with much less aero probably about 10 seconds per lap around an f1 circuit like Barcelona. The LMP1 cars would be about 10-15 seconds faster then gte there too so its 3 classes with similar gaps.
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Wally on May 15, 2017, 12:39:16 PM
The only reason for a slower class that I can see is more overtaking. But I like to try to model seasons on real world series where possible, so I'd be more tempted to stick with GTE cars.
Title: Re: Nords 2hr Enduro Results
Post by: Shameless_1 on May 16, 2017, 05:55:47 PM

I think with multiclass for one off events best to let people choose the class they want to race, no need to force people to choose a car they arent comfortable with. Numbers wise not much you can do, some simply arent into endurance races and just like in a regular season if 30 enter your lucky to get 24 start a race due to  people unable to make it for whatever reason.

GT4 vs GTE is considerably slower as gt4 is more production car based with much less aero probably about 10 seconds per lap around an f1 circuit like Barcelona. The LMP1 cars would be about 10-15 seconds faster then gte there too so its 3 classes with similar gaps.

Changing between 2 classes in a season race to race would mix it up a bit, I wouldn't think people would not like a car in each class, as we've raced most of them here.  No one seems to have an issue on thurs night when a car type swap happens. Can't please everyone all of the time .. If people really want to race they'll do it..   Multiclass racing is fun but in a season to me would need more people in each class.. and more variety to choose from in each class, not just 1-2 cars per class.
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