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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on October 18, 2017, 11:02:26 PM
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This week we travel to Spa for round 2, where Grat and Kcender will try to gain ground on Matthew in the LMP1 class and killagorilla will try to consolidate his early lead in the GT3 standings.
The weather is a cool 14 degrees, with very light winds.
You will need the OSRW PIT MOD (https://www.dropbox.com/s/g1139ea52qhj3fi/Spa_40pits_AC1.13.zip?dl=0).
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...and the practice server is up.
LAP TIMES (http://52.63.217.129:50041/lapstat?currservers=acserver2)
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Wally, any merit in the idea of 2 separate groups in the rolling start as per the "real" WEC?
The LMP cars grouped together controlled by the poll setter, then a gap, and then the GT3 group controlled by the fastest GT3. The 2 classes are not racing against each other, and having a gap may make the start less congested and reduce the chance of a possible 1st lap incident.
Just a thought.
rob
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It's worth a try. We could see what happens if both LMP1 and GT3 leaders don't go any higher than 2nd gear. That may naturally spread the two groups apart. I don't think the start was an issue in any case. The most dangerous thing I saw was a lot of braking and weaving. That puts people at risk of formation lap accidents. How much does that really warm the tyres in AC anyway?
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mine were 25 degrees when i started them race from just scrubbing the hard in the corners mainly, up from like 18 or 19 whatever they were
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I only got the LMP1 mediums up by 1 degree.
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i wasnt so much weaving as steering as hard as I could in the corners, getting that rubber screeching
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Lessons from the USA, how to conduct post race interviews
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-19/race-drivers-fight-one-hit-by-taser-in-road-rage-at-us-speedway/9064768 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-19/race-drivers-fight-one-hit-by-taser-in-road-rage-at-us-speedway/9064768)
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i wasnt so much weaving as steering as hard as I could in the corners, getting that rubber screeching
That's the only thing that really works, from what I know about the AC tyre model. You need the screech.
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It's worth a try. We could see what happens if both LMP1 and GT3 leaders don't go any higher than 2nd gear. That may naturally spread the two groups apart. I don't think the start was an issue in any case. The most dangerous thing I saw was a lot of braking and weaving. That puts people at risk of formation lap accidents. How much does that really warm the tyres in AC anyway?
Yes was a lot of weaving in front of me and what looked like some near contacts. I never do as I've not noticed it make any difference, though I have no app for tyre temp or wear as I just go by feel.
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The most dangerous thing I saw was a lot of braking and weaving. That puts people at risk of formation lap accidents. How much does that really warm the tyres in AC anyway?
I agree with you Wally. As one of the new boys on the block, I thought the formation lap would be just a half paced lap, Hence I wasn't expecting hard acceleration & braking and I nearly ran into the back of Feezer about 3 times. I thought everyone would be thinking, oh here we go the new bloke has caused a pile up on the formation lap :o
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I am not sure I understand: if the car ahead accelerates you do not need to necessarily follow immediately.
In any case, I think I managed to get all my tyres around 40C and at a low but decent pressure. Understeering on purpose on tight corners is the best you can do for the front ones (though braking hard helps a bit). Waving is also good---less effective, but if you do not do it you lose all the heat between a corner and another. For the rears, you need acceleration. Brutal acceleration.
I am guilty as charged about some (of course, completely involuntary) collision when lapping GT3s in the last 20 minutes of the race. I am sorry about it. That seems to be a much more difficult and important issue to solve than the warm up lap. I actually enjoy a lot the realistic challenge of the warm up lap. I mean, if we do not try to warm up tyres in the warm up lap.... whare are we warming, the seat? ;)
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Problems During Checksum
Cannot join the server.. OSRW for spa installed..
Doing a validation in steam but doubt that's the issue. edit: Validated 100% still the same error on server.
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Problems During Checksum
Cannot join the server.. OSRW for spa installed..
Doing a validation in steam but doubt that's the issue. edit: Validated 100% still the same error on server.
Maybe make sure you download the OSRW mod from the 1st post and make sure that's in place.
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Problems During Checksum
Cannot join the server.. OSRW for spa installed..
Doing a validation in steam but doubt that's the issue. edit: Validated 100% still the same error on server.
Maybe make sure you download the OSRW mod from the 1st post and make sure that's in place.
Downloaded it from your link on this thread and it's installed correctly as per the compressed file.
Even uninstalled spa, reinstalled spa and put the OSRW files back from the compressed file, same issue, regardless of car choice, I'd say its still a track issue.
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Problems During Checksum
Cannot join the server.. OSRW for spa installed..
Doing a validation in steam but doubt that's the issue. edit: Validated 100% still the same error on server.
Maybe make sure you download the OSRW mod from the 1st post and make sure that's in place.
Downloaded it from your link on this thread and it's installed correctly as per the compressed file.
Even uninstalled spa, reinstalled spa and put the OSRW files back from the compressed file, same issue, regardless of car choice, I'd say its still a track issue.
I'm on the server now. I have a tracks\spa\spa_osrw113 folder.
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Problems During Checksum
Cannot join the server.. OSRW for spa installed..
Doing a validation in steam but doubt that's the issue. edit: Validated 100% still the same error on server.
Maybe make sure you download the OSRW mod from the 1st post and make sure that's in place.
Downloaded it from your link on this thread and it's installed correctly as per the compressed file.
Even uninstalled spa, reinstalled spa and put the OSRW files back from the compressed file, same issue, regardless of car choice, I'd say its still a track issue.
Same here.
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It's all there. I haven't added or changed anything.
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I'm looking into it. Hang 5....
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I reckon what you have to do is extract the rar file from the download and rename tracks\spa\spa_osrw113 folder to tracks\spa\spa_osrw (replacing any existing folder called spa_osrw).
Phil's logged onto the server right now, so I'll restart it in a moment.
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I reckon what you have to do is extract the rar file from the download and rename tracks\spa\spa_osrw113 folder to tracks\spa\spa_osrw (replacing any existing folder called spa_osrw).
Phil's logged onto the server right now, so I'll restart it in a moment.
that kind of makes sense as all the other osrw folders also dont have a version number in them.. but you would also need to rename models_spa_osrw113.ini to models_spa_osrw.ini in the Spa folder as well.
Will wait until the server is back online
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I reckon what you have to do is extract the rar file from the download and rename tracks\spa\spa_osrw113 folder to tracks\spa\spa_osrw (replacing any existing folder called spa_osrw).
Phil's logged onto the server right now, so I'll restart it in a moment.
oops sorry
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OK, try the updated link in the first post. I repackaged and uploaded the mod, so all folders and files are just spa_osrw instead of spa_osrw113.
You shouldn't have any folders or files called spa_osrw113 left.
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OK, try the updated link in the first post. I repackaged and uploaded the mod, so all folders and files are just spa_osrw instead of spa_osrw113.
You shouldn't have any folders or files called spa_osrw113 left.
ok done. now it's saying spa-spa_osrw in the track name on the server.. but tells me i dont have the content
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OK, try the updated link in the first post. I repackaged and uploaded the mod, so all folders and files are just spa_osrw instead of spa_osrw113.
You shouldn't have any folders or files called spa_osrw113 left.
ok done. now it's saying spa-spa_osrw in the track name on the server.. but tells me i dont have the content
My server list shows the track name as "Spa OSRW". Is that what you see? I was able to join OK.
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Spa-Spa_osrw for me
I've just deleted the spa folder, I'm re-validating and downloading it again. I'll put the new osrw files in it and try again.
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I just uploaded a new version, as the UI folder still had a "spa_osrw113" in it.
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I just uploaded a new version, as the UI folder still had a "spa_osrw113" in it.
nope
I now have the content for the server but I still get the same error on entry.. PROBLEMS DURING CHECKSUM. Game is 100% validated and I've added nothing since to the game since the last race other than setups for the amg.
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I just uploaded a new version, as the UI folder still had a "spa_osrw113" in it.
nope
I now have the content for the server but I still get the same error on entry.. PROBLEMS DURING CHECKSUM. Game is 100% validated and I've added nothing since to the game since the last race other than setups for the amg.
Try now... I restarted the server.
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on the server now..
thanks Wally.
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A bit of a root around because the original OSRW mod for Spa was just called spa_osrw, but the modder changed it to spa_osrw113 at some stage ::)
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To my Toyota bros I attached the setup Ill be running it feels pretty good I haven't done a huge amount of work to it but its something lol, you may need to pump the tyre pressures up for the track temps I found 34 hot worked nice and 7th gear may need to be longer.
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Well I wish in never picked the Ferrari, suss out that first sector difference, its only 20 kph slower up kemmel straight :( gain a littler in the slower middle sector then lose again in the last, will be a 2.17 at least in the Nismo, Probably .16 even, already peaked in the Ferrari .
Phil.8 ks_nissan_gtr_gt3 02:18.913 00:39.693 01:02.720 00:36.500 2 laps
Shameless_1 ks_mercedes_amg_gt3 02:19.820 00:39.995 01:03.156 00:36.669
Phil.8 ks_ferrari_488_gt3 02:21.345 00:41.246 01:02.929 00:37.170 6 laps completed 100 smashed
http://52.63.217.129:50041/lapstat
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Well I wish in never picked the Ferrari, suss out that first sector difference, its only 20 kph slower up kemmel straight :( gain a littler in the slower middle sector then lose again in the last, will be a 2.17 at least in the Nismo, Probably .16 even, already peaked in the Ferrari .
Phil.8 ks_nissan_gtr_gt3 02:18.913 00:39.693 01:02.720 00:36.500 2 laps
Shameless_1 ks_mercedes_amg_gt3 02:19.820 00:39.995 01:03.156 00:36.669
Phil.8 ks_ferrari_488_gt3 02:21.345 00:41.246 01:02.929 00:37.170 6 laps completed 100 smashed
http://52.63.217.129:50041/lapstat
The ferrari for me has always been a twitchy car, and really fussy on setup. I know it can go faster than a 2:21 at spa.
try this Phil.. 2:15 copy the setup from this youtube vid https://youtu.be/S6Vl7FTYJx8?t=149
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To my Toyota bros I attached the setup Ill be running it feels pretty good I haven't done a huge amount of work to it but its something lol, you may need to pump the tyre pressures up for the track temps I found 34 hot worked nice and 7th gear may need to be longer.
Stracker shows your top speed is "only" 299kph (I can hit 325), but your aero doesn't look overly aggressive in your setup. And you got a 1:59. What's going on there?
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Well I wish in never picked the Ferrari, suss out that first sector difference, its only 20 kph slower up kemmel straight :( gain a littler in the slower middle sector then lose again in the last, will be a 2.17 at least in the Nismo, Probably .16 even, already peaked in the Ferrari .
Phil.8 ks_nissan_gtr_gt3 02:18.913 00:39.693 01:02.720 00:36.500 2 laps
Shameless_1 ks_mercedes_amg_gt3 02:19.820 00:39.995 01:03.156 00:36.669
Phil.8 ks_ferrari_488_gt3 02:21.345 00:41.246 01:02.929 00:37.170 6 laps completed 100 smashed
http://52.63.217.129:50041/lapstat
The ferrari for me has always been a twitchy car, and really fussy on setup. I know it can go faster than a 2:21 at spa.
try this Phil.. 2:15 copy the setup from this youtube vid https://youtu.be/S6Vl7FTYJx8?t=149
Thanks, will give it a go
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Never seen that way of sharing a setup before! :o
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Never seen that way of sharing a setup before! :o
It's the damn youtube generation.
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Never seen that way of sharing a setup before! :o
It's the damn youtube generation.
If all our knowledge is being shared by youtube, we're all f*#ked! :o
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Why?
Anyway, great skills there. Interesting gear ratio. Should actually try it out, but just looking at the numbers I wouldn't be surprised if I struggled doing better than a 2:30 with it :-)
Err, guess I was wrong. Just checked the latest lap times, that setup seems to work...great!
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Just a comment.
GT3 drivers would need to be positive about which side of the track they going to go after Eau Rouge. The LMP will be doing around 315 on the exit on Eau Rouge and trying to pass GT3's safely will be impossible if we need to guess which side to go. So pick a side, left or right, it does not matter. But do it immediately. 8)
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Just a comment.
GT3 drivers would need to be positive about which side of the track they going to go after Eau Rouge. The LMP will be doing around 315 on the exit on Eau Rouge and trying to pass GT3's safely will be impossible if we need to guess which side to go. So pick a side, left or right, it does not matter. But do it immediately. 8)
As an LMP driver coming out of Eau Rouge you will have to be cautious. All GT3 cars will be on the right, but will merge back to the left for the straight, this is what I was doing when you side swiped me and put me into a wall, you came out lightning fast and I had no time to avoid. So all LMP drivers will have to show caution coming out at the top and it makes sense that they should all stick to the right and show some patience. I really don't want to see LMP drivers diving under brakes into a corner and forcing GT3 cars out wide and off the racing line for a second race either. In the few areas where the racing line crosses from one side to the other of the circuit to line up for the next corner LMP drivers will just have to wait for a clear path rather than make one. Both sets of drivers will have to check the track map more to see what is happening around them,
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Just a comment.
GT3 drivers would need to be positive about which side of the track they going to go after Eau Rouge. The LMP will be doing around 315 on the exit on Eau Rouge and trying to pass GT3's safely will be impossible if we need to guess which side to go. So pick a side, left or right, it does not matter. But do it immediately. 8)
As an LMP driver coming out of Eau Rouge you will have to be cautious. All GT3 cars will be on the right, but will merge back to the left for the straight, this is what I was doing when you side swiped me and put me into a wall, you came out lightning fast and I had no time to avoid. So all LMP drivers will have to show caution coming out at the top and it makes sense that they should all stick to the right and show some patience. I really don't want to see LMP drivers diving under brakes into a corner and forcing GT3 cars out wide and off the racing line for a second race either. In the few areas where the racing line crosses from one side to the other of the circuit to line up for the next corner LMP drivers will just have to wait for a clear path rather than make one. Both sets of drivers will have to check the track map more to see what is happening around them,
All cars will exit Eau Rouge on the right and be on the right through the following Radillon left hander, before moving over to the left up Kemmel. It's the natural line. I think the only way LMP1 and GT3 are going to play nicely through there is for the LMP1s to be patient through Eau Rouge and Radillon, as that's not a place for passing at the best of times, and wait for the pass on Kemmel (probably on the right of the GT3). It will mean the LMP1's sacrifice a lot of top speed by the end of the straight without a flat out run through Eau Rouge, but that's what will have to be done if you're going to safely pass a GT3 there.
LMP1 drivers will have to be aware of what GT3's are ahead of them, right back from La Source, and plan their move accordingly.
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I'm just a little concerned with trend.
When an LMP1 driver asks the GT3 driver for a heads up, the response seems to be you're on your own, you work it out.
If we all work together we can have a clean race but if some GT3 drivers are just going to ignore the fact that there are LMP1's out there, then crashes will follow.
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I'm just a little concerned with trend.
When an LMP1 driver asks the GT3 driver for a heads up, the response seems to be you're on your own, you work it out.
If we all work together we can have a clean race but if some GT3 drivers are just going to ignore the fact that there are LMP1's out there, then crashes will follow.
I concur. It will always need awareness from both classes. However the LMP1 is the one doing the passing, so the onus is primarily on the LMP1 to make a safe pass.
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I'm just a little concerned with trend.
When an LMP1 driver asks the GT3 driver for a heads up, the response seems to be you're on your own, you work it out.
If we all work together we can have a clean race but if some GT3 drivers are just going to ignore the fact that there are LMP1's out there, then crashes will follow.
I concur. It will always need awareness from both classes. However the LMP1 is the one doing the passing, so the onus is primarily on the LMP1 to make a safe pass.
Of course. but if the request is no to pass in braking zones because otherwise the GT3 car has to go off-line... then there's no racing, I guess. A pass is a pass. It should be safe, it should be deliberate and clear, and should leave racing space. But if you are being passed and need to get off the line, you do it. ;)
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Just a comment.
GT3 drivers would need to be positive about which side of the track they going to go after Eau Rouge. The LMP will be doing around 315 on the exit on Eau Rouge and trying to pass GT3's safely will be impossible if we need to guess which side to go. So pick a side, left or right, it does not matter. But do it immediately. 8)
As an LMP driver coming out of Eau Rouge you will have to be cautious. All GT3 cars will be on the right, but will merge back to the left for the straight, this is what I was doing when you side swiped me and put me into a wall, you came out lightning fast and I had no time to avoid. So all LMP drivers will have to show caution coming out at the top and it makes sense that they should all stick to the right and show some patience. I really don't want to see LMP drivers diving under brakes into a corner and forcing GT3 cars out wide and off the racing line for a second race either. In the few areas where the racing line crosses from one side to the other of the circuit to line up for the next corner LMP drivers will just have to wait for a clear path rather than make one. Both sets of drivers will have to check the track map more to see what is happening around them,
My comment was not aimed at you Shameless but the crash with you was the one prompting me to make the comment. Coming up behind you I was going to pass on the right but as you moved over (as is your right to do) it forced me to change decision and pass on the left. The problem was that I could not predict which side you were going to move to.
For me this is where Matthew is very good, probably the best I've raced with. From his car's body language I always know exactly what he is going to do when he is overtaking or lapping me, and thus he makes it very easy to avoid accidents.
As for the Eau Rouge exit. Later in the practice server I came up behind Phil at exactly the same place. He exited on the right and stayed right, meant I had to do all the work to get by but even on full boost at the edge of grip I managed to do it safely. So staying to the right on the optimal line would be best for GT3's in my opinion :P
Now obviously during the race I will not be so aggressive during the maneuver, the practice server is there to test how much we can push the limit. Strangely the accident with Shameless my car was not really affected, bit of loss of speed but I stayed on track and not a lot of damage. But poor Shamaless's car was spinning like a top in my rear view mirror!
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Yeah it was just unfortunate.. I was testing a very light and loose setup so the slightest upset and boom.. hello wall. I can be unpredictable most of the time, but have no issue communicating to a driver who I see is coming in my rear view, but can't see them from the Eau Rouge, only track map, if they are close enough.
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Of course. but if the request is no to pass in braking zones because otherwise the GT3 car has to go off-line... then there's no racing, I guess. A pass is a pass. It should be safe, it should be deliberate and clear, and should leave racing space. But if you are being passed and need to get off the line, you do it. ;)
Not the braking zone, more into the corners, I was forced offline in a chicane/bus stop which caused me to slam into a wall, only due to the fact of the immense speed difference between LMP and GT3, if it was another GT3 car pulling the same move it's a lot more predictable. So making a dangerous move in an LMP against a GT3 car in that situation is impatient and foolish if it's at the expense of someone else's race.
I have no issues with an LMP pulling up on the inside in a braking zone before the corner and a GT3 giving them the corner and to follow through after them..
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Hmmmm, Kcender87 has done a 1:58 in the Audi beating my 2:02, and his top speed is 306 compared to my 326. It seems to me that some people must be running quite high aero here.
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Hmmmm, Kcender87 has done a 1:58 in the Audi beating my 2:02, and his top speed is 306 compared to my 326. It seems to me that some people must be running quite high aero here.
Even with the GT3s the top speed down the straight isn't enough.. cornering speed is going to win at spa.
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To my Toyota bros I attached the setup Ill be running it feels pretty good I haven't done a huge amount of work to it but its something lol, you may need to pump the tyre pressures up for the track temps I found 34 hot worked nice and 7th gear may need to be longer.
Stracker shows your top speed is "only" 299kph (I can hit 325), but your aero doesn't look overly aggressive in your setup. And you got a 1:59. What's going on there?
Somehow missed this Wally lol yeah I'm not too sure seems like the other toyotas arnt as bad either, I really struggled at silverstone on the straights. Maybe it's my gearing? I haven't tested much and the few things I tried last tues didn't really do anything.
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This is going to be a hard race, I can pretty much guarantee I wont make it to the end, about every 5 or 6 laps eau rouge bites and the impact from that is race ending every time
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This is going to be a hard race, I can pretty much guarantee I wont make it to the end, about every 5 or 6 laps eau rouge bites and the impact from that is race ending every time
Have you considered lifting? ;D
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To my Toyota bros I attached the setup Ill be running it feels pretty good I haven't done a huge amount of work to it but its something lol, you may need to pump the tyre pressures up for the track temps I found 34 hot worked nice and 7th gear may need to be longer.
Stracker shows your top speed is "only" 299kph (I can hit 325), but your aero doesn't look overly aggressive in your setup. And you got a 1:59. What's going on there?
Somehow missed this Wally lol yeah I'm not too sure seems like the other toyotas arnt as bad either, I really struggled at silverstone on the straights. Maybe it's my gearing? I haven't tested much and the few things I tried last tues didn't really do anything.
Check your PMs :)
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This is going to be a hard race, I can pretty much guarantee I wont make it to the end, about every 5 or 6 laps eau rouge bites and the impact from that is race ending every time
Have you considered lifting? ;D
whats this lifting you speak of
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This is going to be a hard race, I can pretty much guarantee I wont make it to the end, about every 5 or 6 laps eau rouge bites and the impact from that is race ending every time
Have you considered lifting? ;D
whats this lifting you speak of
Haha my fastest laps yesterday were when flat, but like you said didn't work that often. I'll most likely lift a little for the race.
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This is going to be a hard race, I can pretty much guarantee I wont make it to the end, about every 5 or 6 laps eau rouge bites and the impact from that is race ending every time
Have you considered lifting? ;D
whats this lifting you speak of
Haha my fastest laps yesterday were when flat, but like you said didn't work that often. I'll most likely lift a little for the race.
... whereas I'll be pressing the boost button.
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To my Toyota bros I attached the setup Ill be running it feels pretty good I haven't done a huge amount of work to it but its something lol, you may need to pump the tyre pressures up for the track temps I found 34 hot worked nice and 7th gear may need to be longer.
Stracker shows your top speed is "only" 299kph (I can hit 325), but your aero doesn't look overly aggressive in your setup. And you got a 1:59. What's going on there?
Somehow missed this Wally lol yeah I'm not too sure seems like the other toyotas arnt as bad either, I really struggled at silverstone on the straights. Maybe it's my gearing? I haven't tested much and the few things I tried last tues didn't really do anything.
Check your PMs :)
done :)
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Server's up - let me know here if there are any problems joining.
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Out again this week - but new wheel has arrived so I'll be back next week - good luck all, quite jelly about missing spa :(
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Out again also, been running around like a chook with its head chopped off today and only just got home.
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lost control when my car acted like it had hit a jump in eau rouge, aside from that the lmp cars are just annoying, pushing you off track limits , overtaking in spots that make you lose the optimal line and get more cut tracks , not fun at all having to watch your mirrors more than in front
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lost control when my car acted like it had hit a jump in eau rouge, aside from that the lmp cars are just annoying, pushing you off track limits , overtaking in spots that make you lose the optimal line and get more cut tracks , not fun at all having to watch your mirrors more than in front
If you think someone in LMP1 has been too aggressive with their passes, it might be worth sending them a PM and pointing to a particular overtake. They might not even be aware of the impact their pass had.
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lost control when my car acted like it had hit a jump in eau rouge, aside from that the lmp cars are just annoying, pushing you off track limits , overtaking in spots that make you lose the optimal line and get more cut tracks , not fun at all having to watch your mirrors more than in front
If you think someone in LMP1 has been too aggressive with their passes, it might be worth sending them a PM and pointing to a particular overtake. They might not even be aware of the impact their pass had.
Completely agree. I know you are not the type to complain about reasonable overtakes, so I got curious and went to check the replay from your perspective, but could not point out any particular one...
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lost control when my car acted like it had hit a jump in eau rouge, aside from that the lmp cars are just annoying, pushing you off track limits , overtaking in spots that make you lose the optimal line and get more cut tracks , not fun at all having to watch your mirrors more than in front
If you think someone in LMP1 has been too aggressive with their passes, it might be worth sending them a PM and pointing to a particular overtake. They might not even be aware of the impact their pass had.
Completely agree. I know you are not the type to complain about reasonable overtakes, so I got curious and went to check the replay from your perspective, but could not point out any particular one...
fair enough, I must find it more annoying than most been not able to be on the line you want and getting off track, the one that annoyed me was lap 7 or 8 at blanchimont when I could not get back online and was stuck on the inside for it
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lost control when my car acted like it had hit a jump in eau rouge, aside from that the lmp cars are just annoying, pushing you off track limits , overtaking in spots that make you lose the optimal line and get more cut tracks , not fun at all having to watch your mirrors more than in front
If you think someone in LMP1 has been too aggressive with their passes, it might be worth sending them a PM and pointing to a particular overtake. They might not even be aware of the impact their pass had.
Completely agree. I know you are not the type to complain about reasonable overtakes, so I got curious and went to check the replay from your perspective, but could not point out any particular one...
fair enough, I must find it more annoying than most been not able to be on the line you want and getting off track, the one that annoyed me was lap 7 or 8 at blanchimont when I could not get back online and was stuck on the inside for it
The LMP1s shouldn't be forcing the GT3's to do anything, including going off the line or whatever. It's up to the LMP1s to find a pass when it's safe - i.e. on a decent straight stretch.
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lost control when my car acted like it had hit a jump in eau rouge, aside from that the lmp cars are just annoying, pushing you off track limits , overtaking in spots that make you lose the optimal line and get more cut tracks , not fun at all having to watch your mirrors more than in front
If you think someone in LMP1 has been too aggressive with their passes, it might be worth sending them a PM and pointing to a particular overtake. They might not even be aware of the impact their pass had.
Completely agree. I know you are not the type to complain about reasonable overtakes, so I got curious and went to check the replay from your perspective, but could not point out any particular one...
fair enough, I must find it more annoying than most been not able to be on the line you want and getting off track, the one that annoyed me was lap 7 or 8 at blanchimont when I could not get back online and was stuck on the inside for it
Maybe I understood which one you are referring to. All I can say is that from the LMP1 perspective, everything happens so fast it is difficult to be completely sure. This race I was really taking a lot of care, and in the slow corners it was "easy" to just be patient and wait for a straight. But when I was approaching a GT3 or a group of them on one of the long straights (or Blanchimont) it was really a split second decision: right? left? If I brake I may just lose control and crash into them anyway.... oh, well. It passed. Phewww.
In one occasion, killagorilla spun just 5 meters ahead of me in the middle of Puhon. I managed to slow down and squeeze between him and the kerb, but honestly it was just luck. Too little time to react. To little understanding to know what to do.
The way I see it: it's a new challenge and we should all try to learn. For the GT3s it is a completely new world. For us in the LMP1, it is a puzzling thing, but perhaps slightly more normal. I guess we will all learn something from it which may be useful in future seasons too.
See you next Tuesday!
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It's not easy passing in the LMP1 sometimes, here's 3 examples from my only race so far.
1. approaching 2 GT3's on Kemmel, one moves to left to let me pass, the other directly in front moves to the right, and I have to negotiate a chicane at 300kph as I'd already hit the boost, and I'm off track.
2. approaching a GT3 up Kemmel I stay glued to the right hand line through the kink (to indicate my intention). Just as I'm about to pass, the GT3 moves to the right (presumably to let me by) but runs me off the track (as I'm already alongside).
3. approaching a GT3 into a corner I hold back (rather than dive up the inside) and plan to pass on exit with boost, and ease, but the GT3 brakes whilst on line, on corner exit, forcing me off track to avoid.
I can't remember who they were, I don't care, but I'm not be forced off-line, I'm being forced off-track.
The caveat is all other encounters went fine and as expected.
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yes you are right, I will just enjoy the driving :)
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yes you are right, I will just enjoy the driving :)
You suppose to enjoy the challenge Phil not only the driving!
Would be a lot easier if the GT3 don't insist in circling the track in groups. Spread out guys! I was battling Kcender and coming up behind a group GT3. Decided to be smart and pit letting him lose time overtaking. But ironically I came out behind Dr Dinkum in a LMP and another bunch of GT3's, lost a lot of time.
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To my mind its just a question of predictability when passing. LMP1 are so much more capable than the GT3s and can place the care basically where ever they want on a corner and not lose too much time - the GT3s (especially in fast corners) bog down and fall off the pace massively if they arent on line. From the cockpit of the LMP1, if I am coming up on a GT3, I am expecting them to be running their own race and I do not expect them to dive off line into the woods until I roll through on my line. I expect they will stay on line which allows me to plan a safe pass with the confidence that they will brake where they normally brake and place the car at certain points of the track so that when I shoot the LMP1 through that point of the track, a GT3 wont suddenly appear :P
I think the problems arise (maybe largely owing to the amount of discussion and concern around the topic) when a GT3 driver already caught up in running his own race catches a glimpse of a swarm of LMP1 cars approaching at a million miles an hour, doesnt want to be the cause of complaints / cause of a ruined LMP1 race and tries desperately to dive out of the way for them. From the LMP1 car we see an unpredictable big chunk of car doing strange things so we all start making poor decisions as a result then explosions happen and everyone dies / jumps on forums :P
Both classes are running their own races and both cannot reasonably be expected to give up 3 seconds slowing to a crawl then casually overtaking / allowing an overtake - especially 7 times per car per race. Secondly, the overtaking car is always in a better position to 'drive both cars' and determine when the overtake occurs and it should be their sole responsibility to execute this safely. This system begins to fail where LMP1 are unable to predict when the slower car is going to dive off line in a well intentioned attempt to allow the pass (which is appreciated). The overtaking car cannot then in any way predict when someone will dive off line and cannot safely plan an overtake resulting in split second decision making.
If GT3 drives its own race and stays on line, drives as fast as it can braking as per normal and turning in as per normal (unless a chuck of car is on the apex...you know...as you normally would), LMP1 can more easily determine safe passing moments that will not impact their race or require them to get off line - everyone wins...what could go wrong :P
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I agree... I know people are well intentioned when they move off the line for you to pass, but that can lead to unpredictability as you don't really know where the car is going to go. I find it easiest to pass GT3s when they just stay on their line, as then I know where the car is going to be, and I can be patient behind them waiting for room to pass.
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The only exception to staying online is, for example, out of Radillion.
Exiting full to the right (out of Radillion), then going to the left (to open up the kink), then to the right (for the apex of the kink) then to the left again for the run down Kemmel.
That's the racing line, but if there's a prototype behind that will/did cause trouble.
Same issue on the run from Paul Frere to Blanchimont, where the racing line is side to side of the track.
But normally, keeping the racing line is much more predictable. ;)
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I agree with what Kcender and Bacchulum said. At most, a GT3 car can choose to brake a tiny bit early and retard turn in if it notices that the LMP1 has already initiated the pass---mostly to avoid having their line too compromised when the LMP1 car will have occupied the apex. But that's it.
Of course, as Bacchulum said, there are straights and kinks which get a bit more complicated. But even there, the rule seems simple to me: if the LMP1 chose the right side when you are occupying the left, and will for sure reach you by the next change of line, then of course just stay on the left side. It always requires a bit of judgement, but in no case you need to dive off the line all of a sudden. Just pick a side and stay there a little longer than optimal and it will be the LMP1 driver's responsibility to pass on the other side.