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Title: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 17, 2017, 10:20:42 PM
RACE RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2017/01/s15r2-praga-r1-at-nurburgring-gp.html)
SEASON STANDINGS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2017/01/season-15-standings.html)

Lap 1 Penalties
I've reduced the ballast to 60kg, but it will be in both races.

Race 1:
Dave O ran into the back of RussG (which set up a bit of a chain reaction) - 60kg penalty.
Keith ran into the back of Simone - 60kg penalty.

Race 2:
Grat had a tiny rear-end slide into the side of Matthew when they were side by side, but it sent Matthew off the track. Because it was only a slight side-to-side touch, it's a racing incident.
Keith hit AJ in the rear under brakes - 60kg penalty.
Shameless hit Rob in the rear under brakes - 60kg penalty.

Round Points
Kcender87   62
Grat   62
Diehard   55
Marty   55
Matthew111   52
Shayne   51
Mael   51
Keith   50
RussG   48
nith   46
Wally   45
Seanus   44
Simone   42
Phil.8   41
Joe   37
AJ   35
ab156   35
Doobs   34
Dave O   29
Shameless   24
Vipergod   24
Jeremy   23
Chap111   22
Rob   21
Bacchulum   8

Congratulations to Marty and Grat on the race wins, and Kcender87 and Grat on the tied round win.
 
Season Podium
1. Kcender87, 68
2. Grat, 62
3. Diehard, 60

Team Podium
1. DA Racing (Grat and Wally), 107
2. Infinity+1, Shayne and Seanus, 103
3. KNR Racing (Keith and RussG), 98
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: nith on January 17, 2017, 10:27:57 PM
Race 1 was a bit of fun. Ended up p7 from a midfield start. Did Soft Soft and really enjoyed it. Tyres going off towards the last couple of laps

Race 2 my PC froze on the final red light and came back to life just after it went green. Straight to the back of the field. Tried an early pit stop and tried mediums for the first time. Didn't suit my setup and i really struggled.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Dave O on January 17, 2017, 10:36:36 PM
Apologies to RussG in race 1 for the hit. Didn't expect the near sudden stop into turn 1 :-\
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Joe on January 17, 2017, 10:52:40 PM
My night was a tad ruined by pedal issues. Started last night where I couldn't figure out why I was struggling so hard then found in the pits the throttle was sticking.

In practise i was 5th then really struggled in qualifying then saw throttle was sticking again and was a lot further down than i hoped.

Messy start in r1 running into two accidents. After that a pretty fun mainly holding simone up but by about lap 12 I could tell it was sticking again as i was locking up and missing apexes. I struggled on but then spun twice in the last lap losing 4 places.

Race 2 i put the pedal app up to see what was happening and this race most of the time i was only hitting 80% throttle with the pedal all the way down making passing really hard. Weirdly after my pit stop this didn't happen??

Sorry for the tap dave. Lost concentration while gettint annoyed with the pedals..
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: marty on January 17, 2017, 10:58:34 PM
Race 1 was good fun with some nice battles with Grat early then Kcender a bit later, I went mediums as long as I could and stopped when I saw I could still come out ahead. I then put on the softs and they were nice in pretty much a low fuel high grip qualy run.

Race 2 I went for the same strategy, I saw all others around me went for softs but I got a good start and the mediums were doing better this race with a bit more early pace. I then was pushing on to try and get as much of a gap as possibly to make up for my 9 second pit penalty. Unfortunately I made a silly error exiting the last turn and spun the car facing the wall, I needed to wait for the field to pass before getting going again. This stuffed my strategy and also did some front damage, with the pit penalty and being at the back I didnt have much hope but I pushed on stopping earlier for another set of mediums to try get out of traffic. I then passed a few cars to the line, it may have been interesting to see how the 9 second penalty would have effected the race had I not had the spin but thats racing lol.

Have fun all for the rest of the season and I will be back for season 16.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Shameless_1 on January 17, 2017, 11:00:45 PM
This season has definitely not been working for me at all.  I'm struggling with heavy pain killers for the past 2 weeks which is leaving me with random shakes and dizziness.  I have been able to race a little off pace but things that happen in qualifying and race have been throwing me and have affected my race and concentration levels badly.  I didn't take any medication in the past 2 nights but I think it's still working its way out of my system.

Race 1 Lap times were 2:10s with a 100kg penalty I expected to be last and I figured it was probably best if I couldn't maintain a good pace. I ended up going from 24th to 17th in the first lap due to all the cars going off and nicely letting me through. But I soon came off myself with a dizzy spell and lost them all again back to last where I stayed. I struggle with this car, moreso with the 100kg,

Race 2 Lap times were 2:06s. It was like someone let go of the bungi cable....  I had trouble pulling the car up. I was so close to vipergod through every braking zone on the first lap. I pulled over to the left before the tight chicane without any intention to pass, just to not ram him up the arse and cause a major accident. Vipergod ended up braking later than I had anticipated and of course my car just wouldn't pull up and I locked it up only to punt off Rob :(  really sorry mate. I ended up lapping monotonously to the end as I couldn't catch AJ after my pit stop. 

I do think the 100kg penalty is a little harsh with this particular car. And the difference between race 1 and race 2 are at two ends of the scale with no time to settle in.. 2 laps and no qualifying so it was an accident waiting to happen. I would have preferred 50kg for each race or 100kg for both race to keep consistency. I don't want to have to practise 2 setups for 1 car.

At this point I don't know whether to keep going with this season or to quit as I don't want to ruin other players racing.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 17, 2017, 11:04:24 PM
Results up in 1st post.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 17, 2017, 11:05:37 PM
I do think the 100kg penalty is a little harsh with this particular car. And the difference between race 1 and race 2 are at two ends of the scale with no time to settle in.. 2 laps and no qualifying so it was an accident waiting to happen. I would have preferred 50kg for each race or 100kg for both race to keep consistency. I don't want to have to practise 2 setups for 1 car.

At this point I don't know whether to keep going with this season or to quit as I don't want to ruin other players racing.
I am sure you are not ruining anybody's anything. It happened to all of us to have a bad pair of races, especially when going through difficult stuff out of the races. You'll get back :)

As for the 100kg: it seems a bit excessive to me too, to be honest. Maybe Wally can think a bit about this and see if 50kg might be enough of a penalty for causing a crash.

Don't give up, mate!
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 17, 2017, 11:07:43 PM
Grat had a tiny rear-end slide into the side of Matthew when they were side by side, but it sent Matthew off the track. Because it was only a slight side-to-side touch, it's a racing incident.
Yeah, I saw the reply, and even though I agree with Wally's decision, I should apologize to Matthew. Sorry. :(
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 17, 2017, 11:08:40 PM
I do think the 100kg penalty is a little harsh with this particular car. And the difference between race 1 and race 2 are at two ends of the scale with no time to settle in.. 2 laps and no qualifying so it was an accident waiting to happen. I would have preferred 50kg for each race or 100kg for both race to keep consistency. I don't want to have to practise 2 setups for 1 car.
Yes, both fair points. I've reduced the penalty ballast to 60 kg, but it will be for the entire next round, so at least you can get used to one setup.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Mael on January 17, 2017, 11:19:01 PM
Solid results tonight.

Spun at the chicane in race 1 but had the presence of mind to keep the throttle buried for a 360 spin, no time lost trying to turn the car around  ;D  Kept out of trouble until the end to finish 10th. A shout out to Keith and Diehard for some clean passing during the last few laps.

Race two kept it clean for the whole race, no contacts or spins. Chased Shayne as hard as I could for most of the race, well driven!

Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 17, 2017, 11:22:32 PM
Firstly, congratulations to team mate Grat! A great points haul for the team.

In race 1, I went with two medium stints. Race 2, I went soft-medium. My best times were still on the mediums (cracking a PB in the 2:03's), so I'm not really getting mucgh benefit from the softs.

Race 1, I got a hit in the rear from Keith in the slow esses at turn 2/3 on lap 4, spinning me, where I was then hit by AJ, which dropped me from 8th to 17th. That made for an uncomfortable race, with all my windows cracked and a little rear aero damage. I came out of the pits just behind Simone, ready for a fun battle, but at turn 3 on my outlap, I did a slo-mo spin losing the rear and ended up facing the barrier, having to reverse back, which killed any chance of a battle with Simone. Luckily for me, he copped a 10 second track cutting penalty, and I finished within 10 seconds of him. I was also gaining slightly on AJ with fresher tyres, but couldn't catch him.

Race was much better, with some good racing chasing RussG towards the end of the race. A sloppy couple of laps near the end stopped my chase, but still finished cleanly, up 10 spots from 17th to finish 7th.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 17, 2017, 11:23:12 PM
ps. Has the 10 second cut penalties been applied Wally?
Yep, you can see it in the race results.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 17, 2017, 11:25:11 PM
ps. Has the 10 second cut penalties been applied Wally?
Yep, you can see it in the race results.
But it shows a penalty to me too, even if I did not have 4 cuts...

EDIT: indeed you gave me 28 points (5th). I thought it was penalty at the 4th cut (that's what the app shows). For example, Nith (7th) has 3 cuts as well, but no penalty, as it should be.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 17, 2017, 11:40:58 PM
ps. Has the 10 second cut penalties been applied Wally?
Yep, you can see it in the race results.
But it shows a penalty to me too, even if I did not have 4 cuts...

EDIT: indeed you gave me 28 points (5th). I thought it was penalty at the 4th cut (that's what the app shows). For example, Nith (7th) has 3 cuts as well, but no penalty, as it should be.
Yep, something is not working right. Wally.... Ehm... has 3 cuts and no penalty too. While Simone has 3 cuts and a penalty.

I want my points back!!!! ;) 8)
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 17, 2017, 11:42:09 PM
ps. Has the 10 second cut penalties been applied Wally?
Yep, you can see it in the race results.
But it shows a penalty to me too, even if I did not have 4 cuts...

EDIT: indeed you gave me 28 points (5th). I thought it was penalty at the 4th cut (that's what the app shows). For example, Nith (7th) has 3 cuts as well, but no penalty, as it should be.
Yep, something is not working right. Wally.... Ehm... has 3 cuts and no penalty too. While Simone has 3 cuts and a penalty.

I want my points back!!!! ;) 8)
SIMONE! You were right! There is a conspiracy against you... but it's not against you in particular. It's against all Italians. Australians get no penalties for 3 cuts. Only Italians ;)
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: marty on January 17, 2017, 11:47:30 PM
SIMONE! You were right! There is a conspiracy against you... but it's not against you in particular. It's against all Italians. Australians get no penalties for 3 cuts. Only Italians ;)

Maybe its the Italians cutting multiple times per lap like the cheaters they are.  ;D

(http://www.gifbin.com/bin/062010/1277466106_meanwhile-in-italy.gif)
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: AJ on January 17, 2017, 11:51:26 PM
Was unfortunately involved in early crashes in both races. Sorry I ended up running into you in the first one Wally, I thought for sure I was going wide enough to go around behind your car as it seemed like it was sliding then it caught grip at the wrong moment and lurched into my path. Just to note though, I went and pitted shortly after and told my pit crew to fix my car's body (and therefore the broken glass) and it took slightly shorter than the tyres change, so didn't make my stop any longer than it would have been otherwise.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 17, 2017, 11:52:05 PM
SIMONE! You were right! There is a conspiracy against you... but it's not against you in particular. It's against all Italians. Australians get no penalties for 3 cuts. Only Italians ;)

Maybe its the Italians cutting multiple times per lap like the cheaters they are.  ;D

(http://www.gifbin.com/bin/062010/1277466106_meanwhile-in-italy.gif)
You'd think so, but it shows if there are 2 cuts in one lap... so most likely is the Australians being... well, you know... ;)
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: marty on January 17, 2017, 11:58:48 PM
SIMONE! You were right! There is a conspiracy against you... but it's not against you in particular. It's against all Italians. Australians get no penalties for 3 cuts. Only Italians ;)

Maybe its the Italians cutting multiple times per lap like the cheaters they are.  ;D

(http://www.gifbin.com/bin/062010/1277466106_meanwhile-in-italy.gif)
You'd think so, but it shows if there are 2 cuts in one lap... so most likely is the Australians being... well, you know... ;)

Too funny I just noticed both you and Simone got a penalty for 3 cuts when it should be 4 and some others showed 2 cuts in a lap so its not that. It shows its again the issue of the Italians cheating but then add that to their passionate if not accurate code, the intention was to give all Italians the edge but instead just made it easier for them to get penalties.  ;D
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Joe on January 18, 2017, 12:14:57 AM
Looks like i got one for 3 cuts too. I noticed the message pop up in game so pretty odd
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 18, 2017, 12:15:12 AM
Yep, looks like something went wrong with the PLP app. I am sure Wally will fix it... he's scared of the Italians ;)
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 18, 2017, 12:16:17 AM
Looks like i got one for 3 cuts too. I noticed the message pop up in game so pretty odd
Are you, by any chance, of Italian descent?... maybe distant? Or have you entertained too many meetings with Italians?
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Joe on January 18, 2017, 12:17:59 AM
Looks like i got one for 3 cuts too. I noticed the message pop up in game so pretty odd
Are you, by any chance, of Italian descent?... maybe distant? Or have you entertained too many meetings with Italians?

Nah but i did have simone up my ass most of the race  :o
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 18, 2017, 12:21:05 AM
Looks like i got one for 3 cuts too. I noticed the message pop up in game so pretty odd
Are you, by any chance, of Italian descent?... maybe distant? Or have you entertained too many meetings with Italians?

Nah but i did have simone up my ass most of the race  :o
That might be enough! PLP is extremely sensitive to any italianity that might be in you
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 18, 2017, 07:47:05 AM
ps. Has the 10 second cut penalties been applied Wally?
Yep, you can see it in the race results.
But it shows a penalty to me too, even if I did not have 4 cuts...

EDIT: indeed you gave me 28 points (5th). I thought it was penalty at the 4th cut (that's what the app shows). For example, Nith (7th) has 3 cuts as well, but no penalty, as it should be.
Yep, something is not working right. Wally.... Ehm... has 3 cuts and no penalty too. While Simone has 3 cuts and a penalty.

I want my points back!!!! ;) 8)
It's definitely 4 cuts and you get a penalty. You can see it in the warning count in the app. You can be on 3/3 warnings, and the next cut gets you a penalty. The log parser might not be displaying the cuts right. From memory, I think the 4th cut isn't recorded in the server log as a cut, but as a penalty for cutting. I could tidy that up in the results.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 18, 2017, 07:49:34 AM
Was unfortunately involved in early crashes in both races. Sorry I ended up running into you in the first one Wally, I thought for sure I was going wide enough to go around behind your car as it seemed like it was sliding then it caught grip at the wrong moment and lurched into my path. Just to note though, I went and pitted shortly after and told my pit crew to fix my car's body (and therefore the broken glass) and it took slightly shorter than the tyres change, so didn't make my stop any longer than it would have been otherwise.
No worries AJ, I was out of control sliding and hard to avoid in the corner. I was wondering about the repair time. I virtually never repair anything because I don't know which repair option is going to suddenly make your pit stop 1 minute longer.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: marty on January 18, 2017, 08:38:31 AM
Repair wise in pitconfig the middle icon is aero and in this car most aero repair takes less time then the tyres. I had front aero damage after my attenpted pit entry through the pit wall after exiting the last turn.  :'( I got yellow front and it took hardly any tine to repair that.

The other repair icons are suspension and engine/transmission. With engine being the right and suspension the left icon. With pit stops in practice now its fairly easy to test repair times if you happen to ever crash in practice that is.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on January 18, 2017, 09:13:31 AM
Race 1 hit again same as last week , broke wing spun next corner to last.
Race 2 my car was orange on every panel apart from left door by end of lap 1,  ended up being taken out by a car spinning lap 2

The standard of racing is appalling and getting worse each season and I am sick of being taken out by people who probably cant even drive a real car by the looks of it
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: RussG on January 18, 2017, 09:51:36 AM
Apologies to RussG in race 1 for the hit. Didn't expect the near sudden stop into turn 1 :-\

Hi Dave, I must disagree about the near sudden stop comment. The replay shows that I actually braked later than almost every other car but you didn't brake until just before the 100 board which I consider too late, particularly on lap 1.
A little extra caution is always advisable at T1 lap 1.

Race 1:
Came out of T1 last after the incident, then there was a pileup at T3 which I was lucky enough to get through cleanly which gave me back some places. After that it was a nice clean run for me with a bit of fun when Simone jammed it up the inside at T1 to pass me, then I got him back later when he had a slide at the chicane.

Race 2:
Had Wally behind at the start applying pressure. Made a good pass on Simone at the chicane :) After the pit stop I had Wally right behind putting the pressure on again and Simone came out just in front of me after his stop. I didn't notice that Simone got the 10 second penalty so I kept trying to pressure him to the end. It looked like Simone, Wally and I were pretty well matched in pace. I couldn't get to make a move on Simone and Wally never got to make a move on me. Great pressure stuff though.
Good racing.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: rob on January 18, 2017, 09:58:17 AM
I pulled over to the left before the tight chicane without any intention to pass, just to not ram him up the arse and cause a major accident. Vipergod ended up braking later than I had anticipated and of course my car just wouldn't pull up and I locked it up only to punt off Rob :(  really sorry mate.

At this point I don't know whether to keep going with this season or to quit as I don't want to ruin other players racing.

Hey Des, don't give up because of me mate. I know you are struggling with chronic back issues and pain killers. I have raced with you long enough that to know that you don't "dive bomb" on purpose. You were just having a bad night.

Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 18, 2017, 10:00:16 AM

The standard of racing is appalling and getting worse each season and I am sick of being taken out by people who probably cant even drive a real car by the looks of it
From what I see, reviewing opening laps and so on, I wouldn't say the racing standard is appalling or deteriorating. Fields are quite big, so the chance that you will be involved in an accident is higher.

Do you have any suggestions for how to improve driving standards?
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on January 18, 2017, 10:11:57 AM

The standard of racing is appalling and getting worse each season and I am sick of being taken out by people who probably cant even drive a real car by the looks of it
From what I see, reviewing opening laps and so on, I wouldn't say the racing standard is appalling or deteriorating. Fields are quite big, so the chance that you will be involved in an accident is higher.

Do you have any suggestions for how to improve driving standards?

Yes I agree its no worse, but it should be getting better,   I cant think of anyway to make people value their car as its a real one cause its not and not everyone gets immersed in the feeling of it being a real car.

Maybe some system where we had pretend money and we won money from races to buy better cars out of a choice of cars
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: rob on January 18, 2017, 10:21:21 AM
Wally, I definitely don't want to increase your already mammoth workload, but is there any way for AC (or an App) to automatically (repeat, automatically) generate an incident report? I know it won't be able to apportion blame but just a count of incidents during a race. We could have a best and fairest award for the season where the number of incidents during the season are taken into account.

I know the first reaction from some people will be "but it wasn't my fault", but it may alert some drivers that their incident count is higher than others and more caution is required.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: RussG on January 18, 2017, 10:23:46 AM
Race 1 hit again same as last week , broke wing spun next corner to last.
Race 2 my car was orange on every panel apart from left door by end of lap 1,  ended up being taken out by a car spinning lap 2

The standard of racing is appalling and getting worse each season and I am sick of being taken out by people who probably cant even drive a real car by the looks of it

Harsh words Phil.
Don't take this the wrong way mate, but maybe disappointment has clouded your memory.

Race 1, the only contact you had was a slight touch with Jeremy between T2 & T3 on lap 1, then you spun all by yourself at T3 but avoided hitting the wall. Your charge through the field from here was truly amazing making so many passes without any contact at all. To get on the podium was remarkable.

Race 2 replay shows that you had no contact at all on lap 1. Lap 2 Seanus ran wide at the Schumacher S which may have balked you, but you ran off and into the wall with no contact with anyone, then you quit.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on January 18, 2017, 10:26:32 AM
Race 1 hit again same as last week , broke wing spun next corner to last.
Race 2 my car was orange on every panel apart from left door by end of lap 1,  ended up being taken out by a car spinning lap 2

The standard of racing is appalling and getting worse each season and I am sick of being taken out by people who probably cant even drive a real car by the looks of it

Harsh words Phil.
Don't take this the wrong way mate, but maybe disappointment has clouded your memory.

Race 1, the only contact you had was a slight touch with Jeremy between T2 & T3 on lap 1, then you spun all by yourself at T3 but avoided hitting the wall. Your charge through the field from here was truly amazing making so many passes without any contact at all. To get on the podium was remarkable.

Race 2 replay shows that you had no contact at all on lap 1. Lap 2 Seanus ran wide at the Schumacher S which may have balked you, but you ran off and into the wall with no contact with anyone, then you quit.

Race 1 i was hit which put me all wrong for the next corner.  race 2 it was hit the car or hit the wall
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on January 18, 2017, 11:41:58 AM
race 2 it was hit the car or hit the wall
Sorry about being the protagonist here. I had already given you a shove in our side by side adventure (it looked to me and I hope to others to be a racing incident) so I can well imagine how pissed off you must have been when I propped in front of you.

its ok I have had my little cry and am happy again
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: keithsgillan on January 18, 2017, 11:44:25 AM
First of all my sincerest apologies to Simone, Wally and AJ for the collisions. Certainly not my proudest of rounds, I guess I need to work on my depth perception when racing close.

If it weren't for those three incidents I would have called it a good round.

Carrying the penalty weights next week and dropping in for some much needed practice, I look forward to an incident free race night next Tuesday.

Are the weight penalties also added to the practice server?
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 18, 2017, 12:36:24 PM
Wally, I definitely don't want to increase your already mammoth workload, but is there any way for AC (or an App) to automatically (repeat, automatically) generate an incident report? I know it won't be able to apportion blame but just a count of incidents during a race. We could have a best and fairest award for the season where the number of incidents during the season are taken into account.

I know the first reaction from some people will be "but it wasn't my fault", but it may alert some drivers that their incident count is higher than others and more caution is required.

Just a thought.
There is a contact report, but it reports every little touch, and can't apportion who hit who. It just identifies the two cars that touch. So there's a lot of noise.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 18, 2017, 12:37:07 PM
First of all my sincerest apologies to Simone, Wally and AJ for the collisions. Certainly not my proudest of rounds, I guess I need to work on my depth perception when racing close.

If it weren't for those three incidents I would have called it a good round.

Carrying the penalty weights next week and dropping in for some much needed practice, I look forward to an incident free race night next Tuesday.

Are the weight penalties also added to the practice server?
Yes.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: AJ on January 18, 2017, 01:08:33 PM
Was unfortunately involved in early crashes in both races. Sorry I ended up running into you in the first one Wally, I thought for sure I was going wide enough to go around behind your car as it seemed like it was sliding then it caught grip at the wrong moment and lurched into my path. Just to note though, I went and pitted shortly after and told my pit crew to fix my car's body (and therefore the broken glass) and it took slightly shorter than the tyres change, so didn't make my stop any longer than it would have been otherwise.
No worries AJ, I was out of control sliding and hard to avoid in the corner. I was wondering about the repair time. I virtually never repair anything because I don't know which repair option is going to suddenly make your pit stop 1 minute longer.

Yeah I don't usually bother with the repairs either but I was already at the back so I thought why not give it a go :)
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: marty on January 18, 2017, 01:12:01 PM
Wally, I definitely don't want to increase your already mammoth workload, but is there any way for AC (or an App) to automatically (repeat, automatically) generate an incident report? I know it won't be able to apportion blame but just a count of incidents during a race. We could have a best and fairest award for the season where the number of incidents during the season are taken into account.

I know the first reaction from some people will be "but it wasn't my fault", but it may alert some drivers that their incident count is higher than others and more caution is required.

Just a thought.
There is a contact report, but it reports every little touch, and can't apportion who hit who. It just identifies the two cars that touch. So there's a lot of noise.

I would find a contacts per race stat interesting, even though minor rubs arent an issue most of the time I still try to avoid any contact at all times. Those having more contacts could then look at ways to try and avoid these and maybe leave a bit more room next time.

Those that can race clean most races would show up in the stats and it should show that its possible. There are many times where contact isnt your fault but the cleaner drivers will generally always show less contacts.

Near the front of the pack I really havent seen many issues around me, Ive also had a majority of contact free races. Last season I think 2 of the later races I was taken out lap 1 which did give the other guys a penalty plus that race 1 lol where I was a bit of a punching bag to a new member.  ;D

Mid pack will likely always be where more contact happens especially early. Lots of this could still be avoided with a little more caution from all drivers but its racing so accidents will still always happen. I cant recall ever seeing anyone in an xgn race appear to purposefully hit another driver so all incidents are eother a basic driving error or a lack of awareness by 1 or both drivers.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Simone on January 18, 2017, 02:22:38 PM
Lovely night race for a change,this time i was determined to carry on does not matter what and it paid off in terms of fun,i thought whats the point to press ESC and get a cold beer on every accident,it is hard,,very hard in the first lap cause you know you will be last but hey..... ,,,,,i prefered keep racing!!

In the second race i had a ball,,,,really i had ball it was lovely to beat ppl like ,,wally.....russg.....and many others,loved it!!!!

The penalties for cuttings.i agree,the system is clear and rules are rules but hey,i mean i have never ever took any time advantages by cuttings,on the contrary...and to be honest my were not even cuttings they were just off roads that i repeat,only costed me time...plus the 10 sec penalty,but no worries cause i had fun.

Regarding the crashes and the so called appaling driving lately...really,,,???  i have been racing with you guys for the last 10 years and i thought this group is the best in terms of quality of driving.As i said i prefer loosing a couples of sec (especially...ESPECIALLY during the first few laps) that ending up on the grass........ after all is that what happens in real life?  Most races are lost in the first corner

HEY WALLY,,,,JOE,,,,,RUSSG,,,MARTY........SUUUUUUUUUUCK iTTTTTTTTT!!!!!! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Simone on January 18, 2017, 02:29:27 PM
First of all my sincerest apologies to Simone, Wally and AJ for the collisions. Certainly not my proudest of rounds, I guess I need to work on my depth perception when racing close.

If it weren't for those three incidents I would have called it a good round.

Carrying the penalty weights next week and dropping in for some much needed practice, I look forward to an incident free race night next Tuesday.

Are the weight penalties also added to the practice server?

No problem at all Keithrichard,you r welcomed all the time,but you were lucky my teamspeak was not working at the time........ ;D ;D ;D  see you  next week mate!!!!
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Mael on January 18, 2017, 02:48:47 PM
[Or how about we just turn penalties off? If I want to stay between the lines I'd play Tennis]

We can only do that with F1 cars, have to keep it real  ;D
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Shameless_1 on January 18, 2017, 02:52:36 PM

Hey Des, don't give up because of me mate. I know you are struggling with chronic back issues and pain killers. I have raced with you long enough that to know that you don't "dive bomb" on purpose. You were just having a bad night.

Nah, it's not because of you. Just a lot going on in my personal life that is interfering with everything offline and online and being drugged up has just made it worse.  Last night felt like a withdrawal because I hadn't taken any pain killers for 2 nights. 


Phil, racing is frustrating at the best of times, only have to watch the v8 supercars to see how bad some drivers get dealt in racing.

This car is foreign to me as I'm used to racing GT3/2 and road cars. I'm not the only one finding it difficult/tricky to come to terms with. With this there is bound to be stuff ups more than cars we've raced before.

I'm divided when it comes to Lap 1. If I play it safe and hang back a little, everyone pushes and shoves their way in. If I keep it tighter I'm more prone to be in or cause an incident.  Hopefully now with ballast across both races people carrying it will have more consistency and less incidents.

I think next race I should just play "All By Myself" on repeat.... 
Race 1: Loneliest: Shameless (avg total gap in front and behind 27.82 secs)
Race 2: Loneliest: Shameless (avg total gap in front and behind 18.85 secs)
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 18, 2017, 05:18:49 PM
ps. Has the 10 second cut penalties been applied Wally?
Yep, you can see it in the race results.
But it shows a penalty to me too, even if I did not have 4 cuts...

EDIT: indeed you gave me 28 points (5th). I thought it was penalty at the 4th cut (that's what the app shows). For example, Nith (7th) has 3 cuts as well, but no penalty, as it should be.
Yep, something is not working right. Wally.... Ehm... has 3 cuts and no penalty too. While Simone has 3 cuts and a penalty.

I want my points back!!!! ;) 8)
It's definitely 4 cuts and you get a penalty. You can see it in the warning count in the app. You can be on 3/3 warnings, and the next cut gets you a penalty. The log parser might not be displaying the cuts right. From memory, I think the 4th cut isn't recorded in the server log as a cut, but as a penalty for cutting. I could tidy that up in the results.
Ok, so basically you are saying the log is wrong and I did have 4 cuts. It's possible, as I had a pair of offs at some point when I lost the lead, and then I had a long at the chicane, so probably that's it. But I'll keep an eye on you ;)
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 18, 2017, 05:21:39 PM
Regarding PLP how about rather than 3+1 offs equals a penalty, make it three offs at the same section of the race track? Indicating that you are doing something consistently wrong rather than just a bunch of slight mistakes, half of which are often not your own fault!

[Or how about we just turn penalties off? If I want to stay between the lines I'd play Tennis]
PLP is a consistent set of rules that everyone has to play by. You get plenty of opportunities to learn where you might get busted for exceeding track limits.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: marty on January 18, 2017, 06:03:37 PM

Regarding Track Limits how about rather than 3+1 offs equals a penalty, make it three offs at the same section of the race track? Indicating that you are doing something consistently wrong rather than just a bunch of slight mistakes, half of which are often not your own fault!

Track limits has only ever been a later day problem. First in cheating in Sims and then in F1. Our league doesn't and I can't see it ever having a cheating problem and as for F1, seriously, has ANYTHING they have done ever made sense.

With track limits though if they are off then its simply open to abuse. With defined track limits then the race is to see who is fastest around the defined track not who makes their own fastest layout.  ;)

Also PLP does have a warning system if you have an off and see its still red before re entering the track you will get a cut. If you slow down a bit more before re-entering it wont count as a cut. Also trying to race with someone that cant stay on the black stuff makes it much more likely a pass will end in a crash as they arent really in control. Many track days I did 2 tyres off was a warning flag and second offence end of session, 4 tyres off at any point unless going to avoid a car stopped on track was instant black flag and end of your session. This was so people try to maintain reasonable control to not be a hazard to everyone else on the track.

I keep an eye on my cuts during a race and if for some reason I am high I will just back off to avoid getting another. This also means that you need to pick a line and take as much risk on track limits as you can consistantly pull off.

If your regularly going off track then by simply backing off and staying on the black stuff you will likely gain consistancy and overall race pace.

I think not enforcing track limits turns the racing into a bit of a joke, better drivers could easily exploit limits and gain 2 seconds per lap at most tracks with only minor cuts or simply over commiting to the entry knowing that running wide or off track will cost you no time.

Get and older style track with grass and gravel off track the linits arent as much of an issue, most modern tracks they are very open to abuse with no penalty for a mistake.

This is one reason I really like proper old school street circuits. Where the track limits are defined by solid walls, there like all tracks using as much road as possible is the fastest way around but use 1cm too much and the race is over.

Even PLP is really quite soft and you need to be pushing linits pretty hard or well off track to get called. The simple way to look at it is you wont ever get a plp inside the white lines.  :)
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 18, 2017, 06:11:55 PM
Agreed: track limits are a good thing and it's nice to be forced to respect them. Of course PLP cannot be perfect, as it is an automatic system. But 4 cuts in a race of 14 laps means plenty of freedom to make some mistake. Last night in race 1 I was probably a bit unlucky, as most of my cuts were proper mistakes in the grass, and of course no human would have considered them a cut. But had I been more careful later in the race, I would have surely avoided the last (unmarked in the logs) cut that costed me the penalty.

So.... long live PLP!
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: marty on January 18, 2017, 06:14:27 PM
As for chicanes and cutting, easy, fuck that chicane right off. Anyone putting in or designing a track with a chicane has no business in track building.

This is usually what people that cant get around a chicane properly say.  ;D Some chicanes are world famous corners think Eau Rogue, Corkscrew at Laguna etc.

They are normally a very technical section of track and do expose poor driving more then many other corners.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Mael on January 18, 2017, 06:15:13 PM
As for chicanes and cutting, easy, fuck that chicane right off. Anyone putting in or designing a track with a chicane has no business in track building.

While I agree the person who designed Monza's chicane should be hung, drawn and quartered there are a place for chicanes in racing. The Nurburgring chicane is not too bad and it certainly does present a driving challenge especially with those sausage curbs.  My setup was pretty forgiving with curbs so jumping over the entry curb was great fun during the race. Could never manage to safely go over the exit sausage curb though.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 18, 2017, 06:20:42 PM
As for chicanes and cutting, easy, fuck that chicane right off. Anyone putting in or designing a track with a chicane has no business in track building.

While I agree the person who designed Monza's chicane should be hung, drawn and quartered there are a place for chicanes in racing. The Nurburgring chicane is not too bad and it certainly does present a driving challenge especially with those sausage curbs.  My setup was pretty forgiving with curbs so jumping over the entry curb was great fun during the race. Could never manage to safely go over the exit sausage curb though.
You mean the first chicane, I guess. The Ascari is actually really good, in my opinion, and the Variante della Roggia is not too bad, considering the designer had very limited space to work with and that they definitely could not leave the Roggia straight-corner as it was with downforce cars.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Mael on January 18, 2017, 06:31:04 PM
You mean the first chicane, I guess.

I will leave naming the corners to the Italians  ;D  and yes it goes without saying that the first corner is the one that cannot be bulldoze quickly enough.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: marty on January 18, 2017, 06:40:54 PM
Monza is getting a rebuild of the first chicane anyway, I dont mind t1 chicane there as it is a very critical part of the lap and a great passing chance where a move can be made from inside or outside on entry. 2 good drivers can take it side by side 1 poor one cant get around on their own most times.  ;D

The thing is that such corners many make it harder for themselves then they should, simply by pushing the braking too much. If you do lock a wheel on entry you will make a proper mess of the corner and likely lose 1 to 2 seconds by the next chicane. Get the braking done late but in control and nail the first and second apex you can get a big jump on most of the field there.

Lap 1 its quite awkward as anyone touching a sausage curb will come across the track and cause a pile up if overlapping with another car. More often then not there will be a lap 1 incident there but with some patience and learning how best to take such corners it can be fairly easily managed every lap by anyone.

...Some chicanes are world famous corners think Eau Rogue, Corkscrew at Laguna ...

I consider those as more of an S bend.
Chicanes where you can't go side by side without slowing to near walking pace are the ones that need bulldozing, such as Monza.
When it boils down to it these nick nack chicanes are equivalent to having a three lane wide track coming upon a concrete gateway where only one car can pass through the gap. eg Those pathetic chicanes at the Gold Coast, ffs they have a giveway rule there, is this a bloody race track or a T-intersection.

Pretty much every corner you will need to slow a bit to go side by side. It adds strategy and goves both attacking and defending driver a chance. I had a good little battle with Grat at the final chicane in race 1 and have had some good racing at probably all the corners you hate.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Mael on January 18, 2017, 07:02:26 PM
chance. I had a good little battle with Grat at the final chicane in race 1


Brave Marty very brave.  :P
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 18, 2017, 07:35:15 PM
chance. I had a good little battle with Grat at the final chicane in race 1


Brave Marty very brave.  :P
Hey!!!  >:(....  ;)

Marty, you should make that video, I told you...
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 18, 2017, 08:07:25 PM
Ok, there you go: I made the video myself. Quality is what it is, but it's 3 nice laps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqnV02DnRZM

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqnV02DnRZM[/youtube]
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: marty on January 18, 2017, 08:32:30 PM
At least I made you work for that spot Grat on my harder compound tyres, how did I get it back?  ;) Oh kind of the same way I gave it away race 2 lol.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 18, 2017, 08:35:25 PM
Ok, so basically you are saying the log is wrong and I did have 4 cuts. It's possible, as I had a pair of offs at some point when I lost the lead, and then I had a long at the chicane, so probably that's it. But I'll keep an eye on you ;)
Fixed the results - it now shows all cuts as well as a time penalty (previously the 4th cut didn't show up, as it only reported the penalty and not the cut).

http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2017/01/s15r2-praga-r1-at-nurburgring-gp.html

Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 18, 2017, 08:40:49 PM
Ok, so basically you are saying the log is wrong and I did have 4 cuts. It's possible, as I had a pair of offs at some point when I lost the lead, and then I had a long at the chicane, so probably that's it. But I'll keep an eye on you ;)
Fixed the results - it now shows all cuts as well as a time penalty (previously the 4th cut didn't show up, as it only reported the penalty and not the cut).

http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2017/01/s15r2-praga-r1-at-nurburgring-gp.html
Ahahah! Oh, man! That fourth lap was a disaster... :(
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 18, 2017, 08:46:52 PM
Ok, so basically you are saying the log is wrong and I did have 4 cuts. It's possible, as I had a pair of offs at some point when I lost the lead, and then I had a long at the chicane, so probably that's it. But I'll keep an eye on you ;)
Fixed the results - it now shows all cuts as well as a time penalty (previously the 4th cut didn't show up, as it only reported the penalty and not the cut).

http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2017/01/s15r2-praga-r1-at-nurburgring-gp.html (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2017/01/s15r2-praga-r1-at-nurburgring-gp.html)
Ahahah! Oh, man! That fourth lap was a disaster... :(
What happened there?
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: marty on January 18, 2017, 09:17:58 PM
Ok, so basically you are saying the log is wrong and I did have 4 cuts. It's possible, as I had a pair of offs at some point when I lost the lead, and then I had a long at the chicane, so probably that's it. But I'll keep an eye on you ;)
Fixed the results - it now shows all cuts as well as a time penalty (previously the 4th cut didn't show up, as it only reported the penalty and not the cut).

http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2017/01/s15r2-praga-r1-at-nurburgring-gp.html (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2017/01/s15r2-praga-r1-at-nurburgring-gp.html)
Ahahah! Oh, man! That fourth lap was a disaster... :(
What happened there?

Thats the reason the video was only 3 laps.  ;D
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 18, 2017, 09:48:53 PM
OK, ok,... I made a "better" video, without all that crappy stuttering.

But the 4th lap is still censored (if to promote XGN, that should be the case) ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iQy0_wOBNM&feature=youtu.be

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iQy0_wOBNM&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 18, 2017, 10:19:03 PM
Nice chase!
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on January 19, 2017, 12:47:35 PM
Good battle.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Simone on January 19, 2017, 01:04:42 PM
Bravissimi!!!
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: marty on January 19, 2017, 01:11:27 PM
But the 4th lap is still censored (if to promote XGN, that should be the case) ;)

Nice video but censoring lap 4 to promote XGN  ;D I thought it would be quite funny as you worked so hard to get the place then just handed it back nicely along with a 10 second penalty for 3 cuts it seems.  :'(

Maybe censoring is to make it look like that was the pass for the win, and to keep your sponsors paying for future repairs.
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Joe on January 19, 2017, 02:11:48 PM
Good battle.

Where are you hiding GB?
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 19, 2017, 03:48:46 PM
But the 4th lap is still censored (if to promote XGN, that should be the case) ;)

Nice video but censoring lap 4 to promote XGN  ;D I thought it would be quite funny as you worked so hard to get the place then just handed it back nicely along with a 10 second penalty for 3 cuts it seems.  :'(

Maybe censoring is to make it look like that was the pass for the win, and to keep your sponsors paying for future repairs.
DA Racing this season is a works car, didn't you notice? No sponsors. Just Praga (though we are under investigation for taking money from a well known Italian brand of shoes which might be easily confused with Praga... but it's just bad rumors,... they have no evidence) ;)
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on January 19, 2017, 09:07:37 PM
Good battle.

Where are you hiding GB?

Its just my pedals that are hiding ;)

I'll be back one day.

Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Bacchulum on January 19, 2017, 11:36:52 PM
Good battle.

Where are you hiding GB?

Its just my pedals that are hiding ;)

I'll be back one day.
I thought you may have been in Las Vegas making some money. ;)
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Joe on January 19, 2017, 11:48:46 PM
Good battle.

Where are you hiding GB?

Its just my pedals that are hiding ;)

I'll be back one day.
I thought you may have been in Las Vegas making some money. ;)

To buy pedals?
Title: Re: S15R2: Nurburgring GP Post Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on January 20, 2017, 11:22:35 AM
its pretty obvious why he is in Vegas making money,  he has sponsorship deals to fulfill :) 

http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=1745.0
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