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Title: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on April 25, 2018, 12:01:22 PM
Same track, different era cars...

TRACK: Imola with the OSRW PIT MOD (http://www.mediafire.com/file/s5cns01asg1se7d/Imola_32pits_AC1.15.rar) (so we can get more of each car on the prac server).

35 lap race (1 hour). No refuelling but change tyres as often as you like.
I'll probably have tyre rate at 1.5x again, as real life races were around about the 1.5 hr mark (will do a little more testing).
"Refuelling during races first took place in Formula One in 15th August 1982". So... no refuelling, and fuel rate at 1x.

CARS DOWNLOAD LINK (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1x0_vFbxDR0oie2b3JDRwy4tTO-9ebkAu) (914MB)
Unzip (e.g. with 7-zip) and extract to .../content/cars.
or if you've already downloaded the mod, here is an UPDATE PATCH (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1c57gW2312cEI77QPYG9LbVkW4d30XB-Y) to extract over your existing files.

You can choose any car you like.

Important PLP change
For this race (and the upcoming season), I'll double the number of warnings before you get penalised for disrespecting track limits, due to the length of the races.

You need to edit your ...\steamapps\common\assettocorsa\apps\python\PitLanePenalty\PLP.ini file with a text editor and change:

TOTAL_WARNINGS=6

You'll get penalised on your 7th cut.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: buellersdayoff on April 25, 2018, 12:21:52 PM
would an older version (1994) of the track be good for this race? can't remember where I got it and haven't tested yet
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Bacchulum on April 25, 2018, 12:38:20 PM
It's not very good, bueller.
Fun offline but not league quality.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: buellersdayoff on April 25, 2018, 01:03:20 PM
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Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on April 25, 2018, 01:19:40 PM
I just did some tyre testing, and 1.5x seems OK. Hards last a long time, but get squirmy before full race distance, and fuel will be very close. Softs... well, I blew up my gearbox before I could get my tyres worn down enough :( but they were on track for maybe 15-20 laps, at an estimate. The softs are 2 or 3 seconds quicker per lap, by my reckoning. Everyone will probably do 2 stints on soft and pit halfway, although there is scope for pitting outside of that if you want to get out of traffic or attempt an undercut.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Bacchulum on April 25, 2018, 04:52:39 PM
Cheers G0D. ;D
But please use this version, as it has my helmet:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/4k259d0xptscs73/xgn_bacchulum.7z (http://www.mediafire.com/file/4k259d0xptscs73/xgn_bacchulum.7z)
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Bacchulum on April 25, 2018, 07:52:59 PM
Haha.
Most people somehow see the pentagram when they view the unicursal-hexagram. ;)
I think we're all too used to the bicursal-hexagram. 8)
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Joe on April 25, 2018, 08:28:43 PM
Which car from the pack are we racing or will it be any of them? Praccy server still on the 2004.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on April 25, 2018, 10:06:17 PM
Which car from the pack are we racing or will it be any of them? Praccy server still on the 2004.
It will be any of them. I'll get the prac server set up as soon as I can.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on April 25, 2018, 10:27:02 PM
Added car download link (Seanus's improved mod) to the first post.

Also added link to Imola extra pits mod.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on April 25, 2018, 10:51:28 PM
Prac server is up, but I haven't tested it yet. Let me know if there's a problem.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Freezer on April 26, 2018, 03:19:26 PM
Just swapped to the newer version of the mod and am now getting black and white striped tyres whenever I go in the sand.
Thoughts...
UPDATE:  Only seems to be the Lotus.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Dave O on April 26, 2018, 04:22:16 PM
Just swapped to the newer version of the mod and am now getting black and white striped tyres whenever I go in the sand.
Thoughts...
UPDATE:  Only seems to be the Lotus.
 

Same here Freezer  :o no biggie really as hopefully not in the sand too often  ;D
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: buellersdayoff on April 26, 2018, 05:35:19 PM
I think this is my preference out of the two, h-pattern cars just feel more interactive and my personal preference, slightly slower and more forgiving lol. Definitely a great mod.
Wally the tyres engineer changed my default/optimal pressures again, is it meant 29 psi for these cars. Also I noticed some frame freezing each time tapped +/-to adjust optimal on the fly (while the car was still rolling on main straight), could be my system but worth mentioning in case there are minor tweaks you could do to the app.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: buellersdayoff on April 26, 2018, 06:47:47 PM
27 front/28 rear

Nominal slip angle for max' grip is 8.9 front/7.1 rear


Tyres are Bazza's and I don't understand half the parameters in there anyway so not something I like to play with.
you lost me at nominal...thx btw
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Simone on April 26, 2018, 07:40:33 PM
Hey!!  where do i unzip the OSRW PIT MOD?    i forgot :-\
Actually i had already downloaded the mod few weeks ago,do i have to redownload from the link in the first post?
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: buellersdayoff on April 26, 2018, 07:47:06 PM
Hey!!  where do i unzip the OSRW PIT MOD?    i forgot :-\
Drag and drop it into content manager, or the track folder (imola)
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Simone on April 26, 2018, 07:50:35 PM
Hey!!  where do i unzip the OSRW PIT MOD?    i forgot :-\
Drag and drop it into content manager, or the track folder (imola)

Thats what i did but i think i have to  re download the mod
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: buellersdayoff on April 26, 2018, 08:59:30 PM
Hey!!  where do i unzip the OSRW PIT MOD?    i forgot :-\
Drag and drop it into content manager, or the track folder (imola)

Thats what i did but i think i have to  re download the mod
The car mod I think, is new today, so you'll most likely need to re-download if you had it all ready
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on April 26, 2018, 09:29:55 PM
Hey!!  where do i unzip the OSRW PIT MOD?    i forgot :-\
Actually i had already downloaded the mod few weeks ago,do i have to redownload from the link in the first post?
Yes Simone, it's updated by Seanus, so you'll have to redownload the cars. You should already have the OSRW pit mod for Imola; we've used it plenty of times before.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Simone on April 27, 2018, 07:15:50 AM
Hey!!  where do i unzip the OSRW PIT MOD?    i forgot :-\
Actually i had already downloaded the mod few weeks ago,do i have to redownload from the link in the first post?
Yes Simone, it's updated by Seanus, so you'll have to redownload the cars. You should already have the OSRW pit mod for Imola; we've used it plenty of times before.

Yes wally all good !!!   thx all!!
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on April 27, 2018, 09:25:53 PM
Here is a new link for the entire mod: F1 75 Compilation  (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1x0_vFbxDR0oie2b3JDRwy4tTO-9ebkAu) (Complete Mod no patching needed)

If you could update the OP please Wally.

And here is the latest patch for those who have already downloaded from the previous link: Patch F1 75 (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1c57gW2312cEI77QPYG9LbVkW4d30XB-Y) (Overwrite the existing Mod iff you have already downloaded form the original link in the OP)

As the data folders have been left unpacked the server won't check their contents so any patching I do will be mismatch free.

First post updated with new download or patch.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Simone on April 28, 2018, 09:16:31 AM
Ok guys...my tel line is dead, yes this time is flat dead. I called "Manila" again and the sixth technician will be here next week. I am over it and i will lodge a claim cause is not possible to spend hundreds of dollars every year and receive this sort of service.

So guys we r out of action at home and i will let you know when we will be back....sorry guys!!!
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on April 28, 2018, 09:56:56 AM
Ok guys...my tel line is dead, yes this time is flat dead. I called "Manila" again and the sixth technician will be here next week. I am over it and i will lodge a claim cause is not possible to spend hundreds of dollars every year and receive this sort of service.

So guys we r out of action at home and i will let you know when we will be back....sorry guys!!!
Good luck Simone!
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: GT VIRUS on April 28, 2018, 11:06:57 AM
Ok guys...my tel line is dead, yes this time is flat dead. I called "Manila" again and the sixth technician will be here next week. I am over it and i will lodge a claim cause is not possible to spend hundreds of dollars every year and receive this sort of service.

So guys we r out of action at home and i will let you know when we will be back....sorry guys!!!

If you wanted to race, you could your phone for data for the night. I generally use my phone when playing on serious nights, and the lag is about the same as ADSL, with advantage of noone else in the house stealing bandwidth. Just using discord and AC doesn't use much at all, so as long as nothing else on your PC decides it wants to download, you'll be set.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on April 28, 2018, 12:18:33 PM
Has anyone noticed if the different makes feel different to drive? I haven't really driven more than one yet.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Bacchulum on April 28, 2018, 12:44:34 PM
The differences are subtle but they are there.
There are 3 'grades' of Cosworth engine and aero efficiency is slightly different as well.
I still think the driver makes the difference though.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: buellersdayoff on April 28, 2018, 02:26:57 PM
Has anyone noticed if the different makes feel different to drive? I haven't really driven more than one yet.
The differences are subtle but they are there.
There are 3 'grades' of Cosworth engine and aero efficiency is slightly different as well.
I still think the driver makes the difference though.
Of all the cars I've driven the fittipaldi seemed the odd one out, something wrong with alignment settings or maybe just me. The rest seemed very close and if you look at the server times the main difference was getting used to the cars (eg. slowest car driven first). I'm still racking my brain how kcender and the like can be 2-3 seconds faster. I'm giving it all she's got captain lol
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Joe on April 28, 2018, 02:55:46 PM
Agree i was happy with my time and its nearly 2 seconds off kcender. I was 100% stock setup.

Anyone know optimum pressures for these?
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Bacchulum on April 28, 2018, 03:15:46 PM
27F, 28R. ;)
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: buellersdayoff on April 28, 2018, 03:39:16 PM
Agree i was happy with my time and its nearly 2 seconds off kcender. I was 100% stock setup.

Anyone know optimum pressures for these?
Ikr, Wally updated the tyre app if you use it.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: buellersdayoff on April 28, 2018, 04:40:39 PM
...Of all the cars I've driven the fittipaldi seemed the odd one out, something wrong with alignment settings...

Thanks BDO, I fixed a small error in the front wing on this and another car. But all I can find on the FD03 is that it has fuck all trail so maybe that makes it feel odd?
It feels like it wants to sway? from one side to another, transitions aren't nice compared to the other cars and I couldn't get toe to near zero, it was a quick fiddle in settings so it could have just been me
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Bacchulum on April 28, 2018, 04:53:38 PM
and I couldn't get toe to near zero, it was a quick fiddle in settings so it could have just been me
There are some setup limitations in different cars.
In some, the best I can get is 0.17 rear.
But this is affected by ride height and spring rating.
This is why I like these cars, you can't always get the perfect setup as change options were limited, due to pre-design simulation limitations. ;)
(I don't know if each cars limitations are accurate, just that era cars were never perfect)
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on April 28, 2018, 05:03:59 PM
For authenticity, did these cars use sequential stick gears or H pattern? Or did it vary from car to car? It's hard to find many references on the net.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on April 28, 2018, 05:30:56 PM
H pattern or Dog Leg for all of them.
Thanks, that matches at least some old photos I found.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Bacchulum on April 28, 2018, 06:17:18 PM
Small update to Bachullum's skin.
;) 8) ;D
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: killagorilla on April 28, 2018, 09:39:19 PM
Same track, different era cars...

...Open pitstops again - refuel and change tyres as often as you like.
...
"Refuelling during races first took place in Formula One in 15th August 1982". So... no refuelling, and fuel rate at 1x.

Wally, can you clarify, please?
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on April 28, 2018, 10:20:51 PM
Same track, different era cars...

...Open pitstops again - refuel and change tyres as often as you like.
...
"Refuelling during races first took place in Formula One in 15th August 1982". So... no refuelling, and fuel rate at 1x.

Wally, can you clarify, please?
Yep, I changed it to "No refuelling but change tyres as often as you like."
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on April 29, 2018, 10:08:16 AM
Sounds like you need to get onto the Telecommunications ombudsman. https://www.tio.com.au/making-a-complaint
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on May 01, 2018, 07:06:34 PM
Server's up. There are limited cars of each make, so we can either juggle, or it's the quick or the dead.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Simone on May 01, 2018, 08:09:34 PM
ok i got this wifi dongle connected for my internet
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on May 01, 2018, 08:15:19 PM
ok i got this wifi dongle connected for my internet
Nice one, hope it works out.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on May 01, 2018, 10:14:34 PM
The normal results blog site is down, but here's a pic.

Congrats to Phil who led the whole race for the win.



Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on May 01, 2018, 10:33:06 PM
And here's the gaps chart:

(http://xgn.com.au/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2226.0;attach=1413;image)

It's a lot closer than the F2004 was, but that's maybe down to having less pit stops.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iB6pVuyk4Uc/Wt8ck9ZE62I/AAAAAAAACqk/1-pLMGClJC4T2Q8JfRWQPDHn6umaFXipwCLcBGAs/s1600/Race%2B1%2B-%2BGap%2Bto%2Bleader.png)
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on May 01, 2018, 10:40:23 PM
The pit stop strategies used (by the finishers) were:
 
H, 6 guys
S|S, 3
H|H, 2
S|H, 1

So it was all either 0 or 1 stops, but a few different combinations of tyres.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: grat on May 01, 2018, 10:59:51 PM
Sorry guys---I did what I can, but between position of the head, degrees of rotation of the wheel, little tricks I have to do for pc performance, and finally no idea about fuel, tyres etc... I did not have enough time. I spent the evening hotlapping on something else.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Joe on May 02, 2018, 08:23:03 AM
I was doing okay until I missed a gear and put it in the wall which gave some pretty nasty damage and the car was all over the place. I thought I'd try one more lap then maybe pit and fix the damage but the car being all over the place let me to miss more gears and blow the gearbox  :o
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Mael on May 02, 2018, 10:45:46 AM
Enjoyed the race, not quite as lonely as the Ferrari test. And it certainly paid  to be accurate and deliberate with the gear changes, no flat shifting!

A slight touch to Kcender (sorry) on the first lap left me some way behind the pack struggling to catch up, the soft tires was definitely a help on full fuel. Pitted early hoping for an under-cut which did not eventuate. But spend 17 laps chasing Wally, slowly reeling him in by 0.2s per lap just hoping his soft tires would fail before the hard tires I chose during the pit stop. But just as I finally got by Wally I picked the wrong side of a spinning car (Keith?  :P ) to give the spot back to him.   Fun race
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: kcender87 on May 02, 2018, 11:02:40 AM
Enjoyed the race, not quite as lonely as the Ferrari test. And it certainly paid  to be accurate and deliberate with the gear changes, no flat shifting!

A slight touch to Kcender (sorry) on the first lap left me some way behind the pack struggling to catch up, the soft tires was definitely a help on full fuel. Pitted early hoping for an under-cut which did not eventuate. But spend 17 laps chasing Wally, slowly reeling him in by 0.2s per lap just hoping his soft tires would fail before the hard tires I chose during the pit stop. But just as I finally got by Wally I picked the wrong side of a spinning car (Keith?  :P ) to give the spot back to him.   Fun race

Nah all good - i thought that was my fault - after missing out on the Lotus I rushed a blind guess of a set on the Mclaren and ran too soft and heavy so I was laying chassis under braking so I had no control at that point :P

Car was odd - was evil laps 1 - 5 then came good on mid fuel then became evil again toward the end - seems like it has rubbish geometry that is super sensitive to travel and ride height requiring over stiff suspension to control it which isnt the way to go on the old things - saved by a long no stop strategy :P

Dead keen on these over the v10s though
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on May 02, 2018, 11:22:04 AM
I had some nice close racing with Freezer, Mael, Bacchulum and Seanus. Pity Seanus repaired damage in pits as we pitted together and the racing was very close, with some good position changes eirher by accidents or good passes.


Softs were getting pretty squirmy at the ends of the two stints, giving me a few exciting moments, and I was nursing a yellow gearbox by the end.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Simone on May 02, 2018, 12:19:10 PM
Hey Rooshooter!!  Thx for your support!!!  I have deleted that post because i think it was too over the limit, and when in anger i do things over the limit. I regret deleting now that you liked it(lol) but what happened with telstra is all true, still at jome got no telephone line..just dead.
Hey Roo...i have appreciated your personal message it made me feel that i am not alone!!

Regarding last night race, i like the mod, is fun, but i really got this tennis elbow that is forcing me to step back.Its a shame because i used to like long races...strategies..pits stop..etc etc.
I think also that the 1975 mod is not going to be very friendly....kind of tough but hey...we all r professional drivers!!!
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: buellersdayoff on May 02, 2018, 12:45:15 PM
Enjoyed the race, not quite as lonely as the Ferrari test. And it certainly paid  to be accurate and deliberate with the gear changes, no flat shifting!

A slight touch to Kcender (sorry) on the first lap left me some way behind the pack struggling to catch up, the soft tires was definitely a help on full fuel. Pitted early hoping for an under-cut which did not eventuate. But spend 17 laps chasing Wally, slowly reeling him in by 0.2s per lap just hoping his soft tires would fail before the hard tires I chose during the pit stop. But just as I finally got by Wally I picked the wrong side of a spinning car (Keith?  :P ) to give the spot back to him.   Fun race

Nah all good - i thought that was my fault - after missing out on the Lotus I rushed a blind guess of a set on the Mclaren and ran too soft and heavy so I was laying chassis under braking so I had no control at that point :P

Car was odd - was evil laps 1 - 5 then came good on mid fuel then became evil again toward the end - seems like it has rubbish geometry that is super sensitive to travel and ride height requiring over stiff suspension to control it which isnt the way to go on the old things - saved by a long no stop strategy :P

Dead keen on these over the v10s though
Geometry is definitely out of wack and more so on some cars than others.
I took the Williams without doing any trials beforehand and couldn't really get a good set-up compared to some of the others I had more time with, I had a faster time with other cars.
Also I tried shifting without clutch during practice and blew my box after two laps, so I didn't bother with it. Qualifying 10th I thought I'd be in for some good mid field racing but got punted off at the first corner, no worries all good. Damaged steering I went back to pit and came out with the leaders but I didn't feel like doing a full race blue flagged so I hit exit button and went out to the garage to continue my pc's front panel mod.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Mael on May 02, 2018, 01:08:30 PM
but I didn't feel like doing a full race blue flagged

There where no blue flags in 1975 as far as I know, so don't actively defend but no need to jump out of the leaders way  ;D
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on May 02, 2018, 02:08:38 PM
but I didn't feel like doing a full race blue flagged

There where no blue flags in 1975 as far as I know, so don't actively defend but no need to jump out of the leaders way  ;D
I would say for general racing etiquette, I'd still like to see blue flags respected.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on May 02, 2018, 02:26:21 PM
Thanks for the patch - that sounds like damage won't be so race wrecking, but rather just penalising.


Re the blue flags, put yourself in the shoes of the guy behind you. I was in a situation where I was fighting with the guy in front of me for position, when a lapped car came between us and was shown a blue flag (and did let me pass). Why should I be held up in my position fight by someone who's a lap down? That's not fair.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Phil.8 on May 02, 2018, 03:05:13 PM
I use z1 software and that tells me if I bottom out, I didn't run it last night though so no idea if I was, It did sound like I was a few times, but didn't feel like I was if that makes sense, I will make sure to suss it out next time I drive these cars
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Freezer on May 02, 2018, 03:32:15 PM
I chose to run hards and see how they went last night.  Thanks to a good start and a few people slipping I found myself in 2nd.
I soon found Wally closing on his softs and he eventually slipped by.  I was most vulnerable under braking where I found it very easy
to lock up so I was braking early.   I pushed on for a pretty consistent run with only one small slip.  The tyres held in well and I wasn't getting
any damage so was able to run to the end.  In the dying laps I had RussG bearing down and would have likely got by if it wasn't for a few
small touches.  Interestingly I was the 2nd slowest of the top 10 for outright lap times but got home 3rd!
Definitely get my vote, just have to work on some speed!
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on May 02, 2018, 03:59:37 PM
I was laying chassis under braking....

How do you guys know the chassis is bottoming out?
The only way I can tell is to open the console and if the chassis bottoms out my CPU usage goes to >99%, otherwise in a normal session I don't seem to get any feedback that the chassis hit the ground. Over curbs I can get beached though.
I've been hearing the scraping at certain parts of the track.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Bacchulum on May 02, 2018, 04:27:20 PM
but I didn't feel like doing a full race blue flagged

There where no blue flags in 1975 as far as I know, so don't actively defend but no need to jump out of the leaders way  ;D
There have always been blue flags.
Pre-late-eighties there was no hard and fast rule about getting out of the way within 3 posts though.
Lapped drivers still got out of the way even though there was no rule, until the late 80's where they ignored the etiquette, so the rule was formalised.
A bit like bowling underarm in cricket......
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Gratulin on May 02, 2018, 04:44:16 PM
but I didn't feel like doing a full race blue flagged

There where no blue flags in 1975 as far as I know, so don't actively defend but no need to jump out of the leaders way  ;D
There have always been blue flags.
Pre-late-eighties there was no hard and fast rule about getting out of the way within 3 posts though.
Lapped drivers still got out of the way even though there was no rule, until the late 80's where they ignored the etiquette, so the rule was formalised.
A bit like bowling underarm in cricket......
I've always found the concept of blue flag rules strange in a sport that basically goes around in circles every minute or so. Why should someone with a faster car feel entitled to get a free overtake when everyone on the track is in the same race? Why should they only have to overtake someone once in race?

There are already so many anomalies in F1 such as - cannot overtake easily, safety cars deciding race outcome, debris on the road causing punctures, drivers running other drivers off the road etc etc. The skill in overtaking slower, lapped cars is just one more driver skill that would improve the competition.

and one more thing while I'm at it. It is pathetic to hear entitled brats complaining because someone who is driving their guts out in a slower car didn't get out of their way. They are race drivers for godsake!!!

And don't get me started on tennis players who complain if someone sneezes while they are serving :)
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Bacchulum on May 02, 2018, 04:57:43 PM
Oh, and blue flags were waved every time a faster car approached you, not just for lap down cars. :o
And in the 50's & 60's drivers would often wave others through even if they were on the same lap!
The thought being they would damage their engine, gearbox & tyres and you would pass them later. ;)
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: doobs on May 02, 2018, 05:18:31 PM
I thought I'd be in for some good mid field racing but got punted off at the first corner, no worries all good.

That was me, sorry again Bueller. The only excuse I can offer is that I haven't done much racing since October last year and I screwed up my first lap braking.

I was annoyingly slow, and any change I made caused me to go slower. After I punted Bueller I drove pretty poorly till I decided I was too much of a menace and had no real interest in continuing. I hope it was a practice race thing because I wasn't having much fun. Normally I can cruise around trying to improve my lap times even if I'm not having battles.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on May 02, 2018, 07:33:04 PM
If you've made a mistake, be it accident or screwed up pit stop, which puts you a lap down, you forfeit the right to hold up a driver who hasn't made such mistakes.
In this league, you're expected to drive courteously and respectfully and that means following flag rules including blue flags.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Simone on May 03, 2018, 06:59:20 AM
Hey guys but whats your prefered method of changing gears??  I am using the flaps around the wheel..lol....but its not that good. I got a gear stick but i think it would be a mess..i am not used to, yes i have been cheating all these years........cant believe i have to push the clutch every time i change gear...lololol
So..do i need to set up a gear stick?????? 😁😁😁😁😁
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on May 03, 2018, 08:07:20 AM
Hey guys but whats your prefered method of changing gears??  I am using the flaps around the wheel..lol....but its not that good. I got a gear stick but i think it would be a mess..i am not used to, yes i have been cheating all these years........cant believe i have to push the clutch every time i change gear...lololol
So..do i need to set up a gear stick? ??? ?? 😁😁😁😁😁
Gear stick all the way, for realism, immersion and to test your skill. BUT... You run a huge risk of stuffing up gear shifts and/or blowing a gearbox.
There's also a slight speed benefit with a manual shifter in AC.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: grat on May 03, 2018, 08:43:37 AM
If anyone does blow their gearbox use ctrl+g to turn on the auto, which mysteriously 'repairs' the gearbox,
? that should not happen, I guess...
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Bacchulum on May 03, 2018, 08:50:37 AM
I used stick with right foot braking, heel-toe downshifts.
I'm going to have to risk clutchless downshifts as I lost around 1.5-2 sec/lap heel-toeing. :'(
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Wally on May 03, 2018, 09:16:14 AM
I wasn't heel toeing at all, but using a quick clutch on every up down and down shift.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: grat on May 03, 2018, 09:19:47 AM
You know about my dislike for chicanes, rolling starts and blue flags, well you can toss is heel 'n' toe with that lot too.  >:( :P
Ahahah! Are you ok with cars having 4 wheels?
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: buellersdayoff on May 03, 2018, 09:31:57 AM
I wasn't heel toeing at all, but using a quick clutch on every up down and down shift.
I can get up shifts without clutch but down shifts without clutch is just not happening for me. Maybe with more practice but not sure if the risk is worth it at the moment.
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: Bacchulum on May 03, 2018, 11:08:30 AM
I used stick with right foot braking, heel-toe downshifts.
I'm going to have to risk clutchless downshifts as I lost around 1.5-2 sec/lap heel-toeing. :'(
I think the timings are too tight for clutchless shifting?
Just slip the clutch like I do.

You know about my dislike for chicanes, rolling starts and blue flags, well you can toss is heel 'n' toe with that lot too.  >:( :P
What's ruling out heel-toe would rule that out as well.
If there's any lateral force at all (Aqua Minerali & the kink before Rivazza mainly), the car gets very unstable when I lift off the throttle to apply the brake.
I usually overlap the throttle/brake under lateral load to avoid this.
What I did Tuesday was to either brake earlier of lift and coast before the lateral force came in.
The other technique I used was 'hybrid', left foot brake initially and swap feet half way through the braking zone, when I needed to shift.
But I still had to brake early to give me room to swap feet on the brake so I could use the clutch, resulting in reduced retardation during the "foot dance".
Hence, any use of the clutch on downshifts requires right foot braking and extended braking distances. :'(
Title: Re: Test run - F1 1975 at Imola
Post by: grat on May 03, 2018, 12:01:33 PM
You know about my dislike for chicanes, rolling starts and blue flags, well you can toss is heel 'n' toe with that lot too.  >:( :P
Ahahah! Are you ok with cars having 4 wheels?

Tyrell P34

and I forgot to mention Unsprung aero, AWD and Gas Turbines. All banned 'cause some little twits in the FIA needed a Band-Aid.  >:( >:( >:(
said the one who drives from inside his living room ;)
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