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Title: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Wally on September 24, 2014, 07:22:45 AM
Car Allocations (from slowest to fastest):

 
Old CarNew Car
PhilElise SC S2BMW 1M
ImperiousElise SCElise SC S1
Dick Forrest [CramDick Racing]Exige 240R S3Exige 240R S3
Peter ReidElise SCElise SC
Rob [Team MRT]BMW 1MBMW 1M
BacchulumElise SCElise SC
cramjet [CramDick Racing]BMW 1MElise SC S2
Wally [TKO Racing]Elise SCElise SC
CrimespreeElise SCElise SC
SchmittezExige 240RBMW 1M
GrubbetExige 240R S3Exige Scura
Dave OM3 E92Elise SC S2
Ysu [TKO Racing]Elise SCElise SC
FreezerElise SCElise SC
GratulinExige 240RElise SC S2
GWyarM3 E92Elise SC S2
EdWoodElise SCElise SC
RPMEvora SElise SC S1
Marty [Achilles Heels]Elise SCElise SC
Guybrush Threepwood [Achilles Heels]Elise SCZ4 E89 S1
FlattopExige S RoadsterElise SC S2
KrahlBMW 1MElise SC
InsomniacExige 240R S3Elise SC


Here's how this is worked out.

1. The slowest Exige 240R S3 was Dick. He can't be given a faster car. His lap time is the baseline.

2. Phil and Imperious were slower than Dick. They can have a faster car, based on their gap to Dick's lap time. In Phil's case, he went from an Elise S2 to the slightly faster BMW 1M. Imperious steps up from an Elise to an Elise S1.

3. Everyone else needs a slower car, based on their gap to Dick's lap time. For example, Gratulin was 1.09 seconds faster than Dick, in his Exige 240. He needs a car that is 1.09 seconds slower than an Exige 240, which is the Elise S2.


30 grid places for this round:

 
Bacchulum
cramjet
Crimespree
Dave O
Dick Forrest
EdWood
Flattop
Freezer
G0RGAK
Gratulin
Grubbet
Guybrush Threepwood
GWyar
Imperious
Insomniac
Krahl
Marty
Mopz
Peter Reid
Phil
Rob
Rolz
RPM
Schmittez
Thndr
Vipergod
Wally
Ysu
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on September 24, 2014, 08:59:28 AM

Here's how this is worked out.

1. The slowest Exige 240R S3 was Dick. He can't be given a faster car. His lap time is the baseline.

2. Phil and Imperious were slower than Dick. They can have a faster car, based on their gap to Dick's lap time. In Phil's case, he went from an Elise S2 to the slightly faster BMW 1M. Imperious steps up from an Elise to an Elise S1.

3. Everyone else needs a slower car, based on their gap to Dick's lap time. For example, Gratulin was 1.09 seconds faster than Dick, in his Exige 240. He needs a car that is 1.09 seconds slower than an Exige 240, which is the Elise S2.

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Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Bird on September 24, 2014, 09:06:15 AM
There are 10 in the elise sc....I still maintain that the baseline should not be at the slowest. Maybe not at any extreme end. In the middle, probably.  Also, potentially, the extremes should be dropped from the calculation...
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Wally on September 24, 2014, 10:09:06 AM
There are 10 in the elise sc....I still maintain that the baseline should not be at the slowest. Maybe not at any extreme end. In the middle, probably.  Also, potentially, the extremes should be dropped from the calculation...
I already filter out extremes. With this selection of cars and lap times, the spread of Elise's cover a lot of the lapttime differences. The baseline has to be the slowest, because you can't make him faster as he's already in the fastest car. You can only make other people slower.

You'll just have to learn to enjoy the Elise ;) 
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: marty on September 24, 2014, 10:51:06 AM
I think that there was still a small time gap between the guys in the elise sc. I think ultimate time is about 1 second between the sc and s2 with about .5 for the s1.

If you go by the fastest times or even average fastest laps in each session I think a few of the guys in the sc could be stepped uo to step 1 or 2.

Also looking at times it may be best to work an average between a persons fastest qualy and race lap not all 3 race laps. Some may jist have a poor race and not try as much well off the pace or nit even finish the race.

Dick did do a laptime of 1.41.577 so he really wasnt that far off the pace. This put him pretty much in the midfield lap wise. I think Guy Me and Ed were a few tenths faster on a clean lap but even still only guy and I got into the 40s actually ed did in the last race. Everyone elses best lap in the elise sc was at least .5 slower and some around 1 second slower. Adding the other steps here I think would even out this a little as the changes arent very extreme in these models.

Take race 2 as an example time wise its really quite close, my best lao wasnt at my potential being stuck in traffic most of the race. But only Insomniac was clearly faster then Guy so if you slowd dave and then gave .5 to 1 sec to the guys in the other elises they woukd be closer to guys laps. The ones that were more then 1 sec behind maybe step them up one car. It could make it very close but then the next track may be a little different performance wise. Its a bit more twisty but also has a reasonably long straight.

I dont think you can slow guy and me down any more as the z4 just cant compete against these no matter who drives it. But the guys just off his pace by a bit could do with the faster elise. Even Insomniac though he was clearly quickest probabky could have been given an s2 as he never quite matches guys pace in other cars so now he will be handicapped a bit too much I think.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Wally on September 24, 2014, 11:19:55 AM
It's done by the numbers. It will never be an exact science, with different guys, different cars, different tracks. How I'm doing it now is how it's going to be done for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on September 24, 2014, 11:25:36 AM
I deliberately drove around at 90% throttle last night to make sure I would be slowest.  ???
  I feel like I am responsible for everyones car selection next week! lol

Grats to Wally for putting Guybrush in a Z4

Grats to my team mate Cramjet. We are 3rd on team standings.... ok fine two races in.... shut up Marty!
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on September 24, 2014, 11:35:34 AM
It's done by the numbers. It will never be an exact science, with different guys, different cars, different tracks. How I'm doing it now is how it's going to be done for the rest of the season.

You tell em Wally! Threaten to put them all in Z4s if they don't like the magic number system..
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: marty on September 24, 2014, 11:38:45 AM
It's done by the numbers. It will never be an exact science, with different guys, different cars, different tracks. How I'm doing it now is how it's going to be done for the rest of the season.

No worries your the boss Wally, Im mostly glad the z4 didnt get an appearance. Times were really quite close but the last 2 or 3 cars in each race generally ran times that didnt represent their true pace always so it dostorts the numbers a bit best race lap may be a better option for grading next season.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: marty on September 24, 2014, 11:46:39 AM
It's done by the numbers. It will never be an exact science, with different guys, different cars, different tracks. How I'm doing it now is how it's going to be done for the rest of the season.

You tell em Wally! Threaten to put them all in Z4s if they don't like the magic number system..

Lol just noticed the Z4 for guy edit, I was the one questioning your authority and got him screwed over. Dont think that would be much fun for him but we can all beep our horn as we lap him so be fun for everyone else.  :D
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on September 24, 2014, 12:03:29 PM
It's done by the numbers. It will never be an exact science, with different guys, different cars, different tracks. How I'm doing it now is how it's going to be done for the rest of the season.

You tell em Wally! Threaten to put them all in Z4s if they don't like the magic number system..

Lol just noticed the Z4 for guy edit, I was the one questioning your authority and got him screwed over. Dont think that would be much fun for him but we can all beep our horn as we lap him so be fun for everyone else.  :D

I don't know how Dave (insomniac) missed out on a Z4.. I'd ask Wally to explain but I simply wouldn't understand.
He uses black magic.
Title: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Gratulin on September 24, 2014, 12:44:07 PM
It's done by the numbers. It will never be an exact science, with different guys, different cars, different tracks. How I'm doing it now is how it's going to be done for the rest of the season.
Wait until ballast comes in and then the grumbling will really start :)

I overdrove the car in race 1 and 3 - results show the outcome - a disaster! Not being used to being in a pack makes it hard to just settle into your own pace.

Race 2 got lucky and drove straight through the mayhem and ended up 3rd. Once in clean air just stuck to keeping it on the track - had 'Guyrush' up my 'whatever' for about 5 laps until I 'let' him through since he obviously had a faster car then me :(

A full grid at Castle Hill should be really interesting!
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: cramjet on September 24, 2014, 03:00:13 PM
I deliberately drove around at 90% throttle last night to make sure I would be slowest.  ???
  I feel like I am responsible for everyones car selection next week! lol

Grats to Wally for putting Guybrush in a Z4

Grats to my team mate Cramjet. We are 3rd on team standings.... ok fine two races in.... shut up Marty!

Would have been an even better result if I didn't run us both off in that last race!

Last night was the most fun I've had in any racing sim. The field was so bunched up you'd go from one battle to the next - it was great fun holding onto the back of a lotus through the bends before gunning it past 2 or 3 of them down the back straight :D The different way each car put down a lap makes for some awesome racing.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on September 24, 2014, 03:13:47 PM
I deliberately drove around at 90% throttle last night to make sure I would be slowest.  ???
  I feel like I am responsible for everyones car selection next week! lol

Grats to Wally for putting Guybrush in a Z4

Grats to my team mate Cramjet. We are 3rd on team standings.... ok fine two races in.... shut up Marty!

Would have been an even better result if I didn't run us both off in that last race!

Last night was the most fun I've had in any racing sim. The field was so bunched up you'd go from one battle to the next - it was great fun holding onto the back of a lotus through the bends before gunning it past 2 or 3 of them down the back straight :D The different way each car put down a lap makes for some awesome racing.

It was the most adrenaline I've ever felt while racing. Yep and fun.

I'm sure there is going to be a lot more accidents yet.
Cramjet, I'm 100% sure it would have been Marty or Guybrush that caused our accident. They are our main rivals. And I hate them and all they stand for.

Lovely guys though.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Wally on September 24, 2014, 04:03:27 PM
Lol, Dick.

It's great to hear you guys are enjoying the close racing.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: marty on September 24, 2014, 04:12:48 PM
I ran a few laps in all the cars, only about 5 or so in each with basic setup tunes to get an idea of how they compare. Ok laps in each nothing great just clean laps in each.

BMW z4 e9 s1: 1:10.490
Lotus Elise SC: 1:09.742
Lotus Elise SC s1: 1:09.644
Lotus Elise SC s2: 1:09.484
BMW 1M: 1:09.659
Lotus Exige Scura: 1:08.407
Lotus Exige 240R s3: 1:07.504

Probably the biggest pig of the bunch is the standard elise but is also the first one I ran so got more comfortable with the track in the others. The z4 felt quite nice and I think that could quite easily match a standard elise lap wise and its not as far off as I though it would. The 1M is very different to any other here and so I probably could get much more out of it just not used to such a car atm. The scura felt nicer then the 240r but also a bit loose so I didnt get a great lap in it and also the 240r could gain time with a better setup and a few more laps.

Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Wally on September 24, 2014, 06:26:28 PM
Interesting, because even in the basic Elise, Guybrush was still one of the fastest guys, so this should ensure some good action for him.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Wally on September 24, 2014, 08:11:59 PM
Because Castle Hill has 30 pit bays again, all reserves can race in this round.

In round 1 at Mugello, the spread between the fastest and slowest lap times (outliers excluded) was 5.5% of the lap time. At gentrack1, it was 3.2%, so we've already reduced the spread in lap times by nearly half.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Phil on September 24, 2014, 09:53:03 PM
Wally, who had the highest top speed? Or is there no way to know?
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: marty on September 24, 2014, 10:22:07 PM
Wally, who had the highest top speed? Or is there no way to know?

Thats not available I think in server logs, lets hope that this is greatly improved in coming builds along with proper ingame timing info for all. If its not I wonder if anyone would make a plugin like RSR that could gather all this info as they capture pretty much all the info youd need, also how many invalid laps people run. But even rsr cant get sector times from when a time is made while in a mp server which is why many people dont show sectors on the rsr site.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Wally on September 24, 2014, 11:12:45 PM
That's right, you only get lap times.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Phil on September 25, 2014, 06:51:50 AM
Let's hope they add more stat gathering abilities. I'd like to see a quick summary after each race, who got the fastest lap, highest top speed, best position gains and losses.

Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Wally on September 25, 2014, 07:39:21 AM
Let's hope they add more stat gathering abilities. I'd like to see a quick summary after each race, who got the fastest lap, highest top speed, best position gains and losses.
In the race stats, I do show your move from your qualifying position. In theory, I could work out the total passes and losses, but only as at the end of each lap. I.e if you pass someone and they pass you back in the same lap, I wouldn't know. I only know if you finish a lap in a higher or lower position than you started.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: marty on September 25, 2014, 10:02:28 PM
Here is my setup in the elise, best time of 1:09.020.

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Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: marty on September 25, 2014, 10:16:38 PM
I did ask the guys at RSR if they could add the track to the site and they have already done that which is great of them.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Phil on September 28, 2014, 10:31:45 AM
Hi Wally, can you could flick the practice server across to Castle Hill please?
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Wally on September 28, 2014, 10:54:36 AM
Hi Wally, can you could flick the practice server across to Castle Hill please?

Practice server is up with allocated cars.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on September 28, 2014, 11:19:08 AM
Hi Wally, can you could flick the practice server across to Castle Hill please?

Practice server is up with allocated cars.

after about 5 laps.
1:12.444

Going to say Castle Hill runs poorly compared to other modded tracks on my PC. I get the PCU warning a fair bit here.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Phil on September 28, 2014, 01:51:50 PM
Hi Wally, can you could flick the practice server across to Castle Hill please?

Practice server is up with allocated cars.

Thanks
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Wally on September 28, 2014, 02:51:45 PM
Hi Wally, can you could flick the practice server across to Castle Hill please?

Practice server is up with allocated cars.

after about 5 laps.
1:12.444

Going to say Castle Hill runs poorly compared to other modded tracks on my PC. I get the PCU warning a fair bit here.
At least it's only the PCU and not the CPU.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on September 28, 2014, 03:42:44 PM
lol indeed.

it's a 1.11 now btw.

nope make it a 1:10.115
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: marty on September 28, 2014, 04:43:15 PM
Hi Wally, can you could flick the practice server across to Castle Hill please?

Practice server is up with allocated cars.

after about 5 laps.
1:12.444

Going to say Castle Hill runs poorly compared to other modded tracks on my PC. I get the PCU warning a fair bit here.
At least it's only the PCU and not the CPU.

Not sure how old Dicks computer is but if his Photo Conductor Unit is having issues I think its time for that upgrade. It could also be his Primary care unit malfunctioning which seems more reasonable in this case and likely what he meant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCU
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on September 28, 2014, 05:52:31 PM
you're close.
my PCU or Partido Comunista del Uruguay
It's my Communist Party of Uruguay that I keep having trouble with.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Uruguay

 Down to a 1:10.03
I would have gotten even quicker if my 'peers' Marty and Guybrushy didn't keep wtf-dive-bombing down the inside of every corner.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: marty on September 28, 2014, 06:44:58 PM
Seems the handicap is working quite well was fun running some lap with Dick and Guy. Dick was more on pace and the 3 of us were fairly close. I was able to pass guy which doesnt happen all that often and dick was pressuring us both.

Dick still needs to understand how to race nice with others but I predict he will do better and so be involved in accidents further up the pack this round then just hitting those at the back of the pack like he normally does.  ;)
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Gratulin on September 28, 2014, 07:03:15 PM
Seems the handicap is working quite well was fun running some lap with Dick and Guy. Dick was more on pace and the 3 of us were fairly close. I was able to pass guy which doesnt happen all that often and dick was pressuring us both.

Dick still needs to understand how to race nice with others but I predict he will do better and so be involved in accidents further up the pack this round then just hitting those at the back of the pack like he normally does.  ;)
I think Dick learnt "nice" from you and guy  ;D 8)
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on September 29, 2014, 06:29:03 PM
Well? what times are we all doing?
I'm 1:10.0something. Could break 1:09 maybe...
Exige 204R s3
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Gratulin on September 29, 2014, 06:34:31 PM
I'm in the 1:10s but realistic laptime is 1:11s in the Elise S2. I just lose the front-end. Need to learn over-steer driving style. Understeer washes off too much speed.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on September 29, 2014, 06:53:35 PM
I'm in the 1:10s but realistic laptime is 1:11s in the Elise S2. I just lose the front-end. Need to learn over-steer driving style. Understeer washes off too much speed.

not bad. not bad.. Guybrush was doing low 1:06s in the Z4 yesterday.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Wally on September 29, 2014, 07:06:38 PM
I'm in the 1:10s but realistic laptime is 1:11s in the Elise S2. I just lose the front-end. Need to learn over-steer driving style. Understeer washes off too much speed.

not bad. not bad.. Guybrush was doing low 1:06s in the Z4 yesterday.

Wasn't that after one of his wheels came off?
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Grubbet on September 29, 2014, 10:01:05 PM
Im the only one that got the Exige Scura.. I pretty special ;)
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: marty on September 29, 2014, 11:26:37 PM
Well? what times are we all doing?
I'm 1:10.0something. Could break 1:09 maybe...
Exige 204R s3

I did sneak into the 1:08's but may need to pace myself a bit on the nite to avoid the hello kitty car at Silverstone  ;) as thats just a bit too slow there. It has more hope at this track but the long straights at the next round will give a fair advantage to the higher speed cars.

The last 3 rounds the elise will be struggling much more so anyone in a z4 there will be lucky to not be lapped.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Wally on September 30, 2014, 07:25:02 AM
My PB in the Elise is a 10 flat.

Don't forget that if the Elises end up being "too slow" people will automatically get faster cars.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: marty on September 30, 2014, 08:22:49 AM
My PB in the Elise is a 10 flat.

Don't forget that if the Elises end up being "too slow" people will automatically get faster cars.

I wouldnt mind an elise for the full season as its possible to get some pace out of it, just more of an issue with the z4 id rather avoid on any larger track.  ;)
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on September 30, 2014, 12:51:49 PM
My PB in the Elise is a 10 flat.

Don't forget that if the Elises end up being "too slow" people will automatically get faster cars.

I wouldnt mind an elise for the full season as its possible to get some pace out of it, just more of an issue with the z4 id rather avoid on any larger track.  ;)

I'm really starting to get used to the 240R step3. Can catch it a lot easier. I'm using its under-steer to my advantage.. I think I am anyway.
Like this: The right long handers, I think turns 3 & 4. I'm staying on the gas, turning in hard and the car keeps going forward, only slightly turning, I lift just a touch and the nose comes around nicely. Is that under-steer?
Again, after turn 1 through the 's's the last left out of the 's's I stay on the gas through the whole s's and under-steer out of that last left and if it exits good I should end along side the witches hats before that slow left.

ok so under-steer wears tyres and slows down top end speed?
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Wally on September 30, 2014, 01:40:48 PM
Yeah, that's understeer, if your car's not turning but still going straight. I find the best cure is slower corner entry and look for better exit speed.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Gratulin on September 30, 2014, 02:01:57 PM
I know this is an AC forum however...

I found that the Training section that comes as part of Live For Speed http://lfs.net (http://lfs.net) was invaluable in teaching me the basics for car control. It teaches you braking, cornering, starts etc.

The other benefit to LFS is that it runs on "less powerful" PCs very well since it is an older generation sim. For example, if you are struggling to get 50fps in AC you will exceed 100fps in LFS quite easily.

The Demo is free and comes with 3 cars plus Blackwood and, I think, includes the Training module.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on September 30, 2014, 02:25:06 PM
I know this is an AC forum however...

I found that the Training section that comes as part of Live For Speed http://lfs.net (http://lfs.net) was invaluable in teaching me the basics for car control. It teaches you braking, cornering, starts etc.

The other benefit to LFS is that it runs on "less powerful" PCs very well since it is an older generation sim. For example, if you are struggling to get 50fps in AC you will exceed 100fps in LFS quite easily.

The Demo is free and comes with 3 cars plus Blackwood and, I think, includes the Training module.

Thanks Mr Gratulin. I'm quite happy to learn using my current mode of instruction. Marty teaches me something then Guybrush teaches me the proper way.
Besides, I've heard some of the ugliest racers around come from LFS.....

and you all stop being mean to my PC!! it has got feelings you know! lol
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: marty on September 30, 2014, 02:57:51 PM
I do fear I taught Dick the Dive bomb manouver but in my defense I did it clean on him every time and it was just a normal pass under brakes. I saw him attempt the same but fail horribly each attempt due to outbraking himself and t-boning his victim.

The big trick to making a clean pass is that you need to slow enough so as not to run wide on the exit. Make sure the guy you are passing has room outside and you dont exit all the way across unless you are completly clear. If you are inside someone on entry you must not run wide on the apex or exit as that will nearly always cause a crash. So when you pass you will be slower then on the normal line but also the other person must give you room on the inside without turning in on you.

Its the same with the esses after t1 its going to have quite a few guys side by side into these but if you stay flatout and on the normal line beside someone your bound to make contact. So general rule in passing or driving side by side with anyone is to always leave enough room for the other guy. In most cases you will need to slow more then normal in order to be able to not need the full track as you need to leave some for the other guy to avoid a crash.

The elise's advantage is under brakes so what may seem like a dive bomb is still a controlled move against a bigger car with worse brakes. Still best to show yoir intention early amd if you get fully alonfside you should just be able to slow with the other guy concedimg the corner. Still leave them room on the outside if they want it amd so the pass may not be completed until the next corner.

I did have fun trying to find a way past others in our practice races, but I suspect with much closer racing through the field this week there will likely be more incidents. So everyone should tryb o give plenty of racing room and if your the one behind do all you can to avoid hitting the car your trying to pass. The guy ahead should not turn in on cars that have got inside them or even someone on their outside shouldnt be pushed off the road.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Wally on September 30, 2014, 06:12:46 PM
Server's up.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: cramjet on September 30, 2014, 07:22:28 PM
I may or may not make this race tonight. Some family crap has popped up and not sure I'll be in the right head space although a good race might take my mind of things! Hope to see you guys there - sorry if I'm not!
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Wally on September 30, 2014, 07:31:00 PM
I may or may not make this race tonight. Some family crap has popped up and not sure I'll be in the right head space although a good race might take my mind of things! Hope to see you guys there - sorry if I'm not!
You're still on the grid so jump in if you can.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Wally on September 30, 2014, 11:09:35 PM
Race Results and Charts (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2014/09/s3r3-lotusbmw-at-castle-hill.html)
Season Standings (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2014/09/season-3-standings.html)
Season Stats (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnDaDoQGyFTddEZVTzRoZ0ZOR3NtNnNjcl8xVGpPSUE&usp=drive_web#gid=36)

Congratulations to Mopz and Marty on the race wins and Marty for the round win.

Round Points
Marty   70
Mopz   68
Ysu   67
EdWood   56
Wally   56
Guybrush Threepwood   55
Peter Reid   54
Freezer   50
Bacchulum   44
Imperious   42
Phil   39
Enforcer-J   36
GWyar   34
RPM   34
Dave O   31
Schmittez   27
Vipergod   25
Rob   24
Grubbet   19
Krahl   16
Flattop   15
Dick Forrest   14

Season Podium
1. Marty, 142
2. EdWood, 117
3. Ysu, 114

Marty breaks away a little out in front from a big pack from 2nd to 7th.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Wally on September 30, 2014, 11:21:09 PM
I broke my PB several times tonight, which was good.

In race 1, I had a great early race with EdWood, changing positions a few times. He and I had quite different lines into T1. He would take it wide and I would take it tight, so that made the esses fun. He finally made a mistake and let me past on lap 7. Then it was chasing Dick, who buckled on the last lap and oversteered off the track. Came home 5th, only 0.4 ahead of EdWood.

In race 2, that mess in the esses was caused by a lag spike, by the look of it. There were cars pinging back and forth, setting off a chain reaction. I got hit a couple of times, which put me back on track in 16th. But I had fun making a few passes to make my way to finish 11th. I had Guy's pink Beemer chasing me closely (I was the most hunted that race, with the person behind only 0.46 secs back on average), but Freezer was putting pressure on Guy so I was able to pull away from those two.

Race 3 was a close race with Guy nearly all the way, until he ran wide at one of the chicanes and I snuck past, to finish 3rd for a rare podium.

It was a much better round than last week, where I finished about 17th in each race. My goal was just to get "cleaner" results this round without spending so much time off track.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Enforcer-J on September 30, 2014, 11:39:19 PM
My first league race in a long time... with no practice on a track and car id never driven so it was a steep learning curve! Especially race 1 when I didnt realise I couldnt go back and add fuel after joining the grid so ran out with 2 laps to go!

I had some excellent battles in all races but was involved in a couple of incidents due to lag that I came out better off so feel a bit guilty for that but not much I could have done. Took someone out in race 1 being a tad optimistic thinking there was a gap but it closed (dont think they saw me) and I didnt get out of it in time (rosbeg style) so sorry to whomever that was :/

4 car battle for a lap or two in race 3 was brilliant! 4 of us comitted to the final corner at one stage and I got just loose enough to make contact and spit me off track bit was fun gaining a few possies back.

Frame rates were the worse ive experienced online so that took some getting used to but overall had heaps of fun!

Cheers Wally for allowing me to race late notice and for you and others that help make this league happen :)
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Bruce on October 01, 2014, 08:25:21 AM
Struggled a bit had a few good bakes with Rob
But by race 3 I was just too tired and drove so badly I knew it was tone to exit.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: insomniac on October 01, 2014, 08:37:51 AM
Well my internet died on about lap 2 or 3 of race 1 so I called it a night. >:(  Really pissed as it very rarely happens unless someone knocks the modem power brick out of the socket, might've jinxed myself earlier on in the week lol
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on October 01, 2014, 09:03:21 AM
Best race night ever for me. Said that two weeks in a row now. So how will next week be?

Race one was the most excited, adrenaline filled, sweaty hands, stiff shouldered race I've been in. And I choked on the last lap, second last corner spun off. Was in 5th, my highest place ever. ended up not finishing. I don't want to talk about it lol. Just gotta pull up my skirt and move on.
  Really, that race one I was out of my depth from the start. I shouldn't go from being a tailender to being front runners. Too much pressure! lol. I had to slow down for next qualify so I wouldn't have so much pressure lol.

 Race two kept it together and bought it home at least. Got caught up in a accident in the S's , Phil sent me spinning but bounced nicely off Wally which straightened me back up and I was away.

Race 3 AC decided to crash a few laps in. I was flying through the S's when it crashed, Managed to see a few frozen screens of me t-boning a blue BMW, I think that was RPM.. I'm really sorry about that!!! I think I took out others, (Dave O) Sorry guys!

Love the track layout. But alas, It's one of the worst coded tracks and causes performance issues.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Bird on October 01, 2014, 09:21:33 AM
Good races even if a bit uneventful. My lack of praccy shows very nicely: my laptimes are better and better as the night progresses ☺
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on October 01, 2014, 09:31:10 AM
Yeah great work Wally at getting this shit together!
Don't listen to the back seat drivers.  :D You have got the car allocation sussed. With what you have to work with. awesome.
There was, what, 20 of us last night? 2 seconds covered us? great.

Unlike the admin for Thursday nights... I think he might be a bit of a soak.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Wally on October 01, 2014, 10:09:53 AM
Lol Dick. It's great experience trying to hold onto a 5th with a swarm of angry Elises behind you.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on October 01, 2014, 10:45:40 AM
Well, it was an interesting night.  I was never going to hold onto the Elise's in my little (big?) Z4, but it was fun trying to get as much as I could out of it to keep up with Wally and co. while fending off Freezer.

Still, I was happy with my efforts as most qualifying and race laps were around my PB taking into account fuel loads and tyres... but still over a second slower than Marty.  There is no easy way to bring everyone together without ballast so I'm happy to be mixing it with a few others, even if it means the championship isn't viable for me.

Overall it was a fun night.  The first race I was on my own pretty much, separated by a bit to the car in front and behind, so that was uneventful.  The second race I was behind Wally for most of it but couldn't past as I just didn't have the speed into/through/out of the corners or the brakes to try a move.  Eventually Freezer got right behind me and I had to defend the big boy for the last couple of laps.  That was fun.  The third race Wally was on my tail, a little bit behind, but I felt I had to defend into the corner after the wiggly bit due to the braking difference between the cars, but I went a bit long which let him past and I had no hope of catching him after that.

Overall I think I passed only 1 car on track over all of the 3 races, but still had fun.  It would be good if we could find another set of cars with similar performance differences for next season and do the same thing.

Oh, and I quite like Dicks skins.  I knew straight away what kind of car was in front or behind me just from the colour.  Good work Dick.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on October 01, 2014, 11:03:12 AM
Well, it was an interesting night.  I was never going to hold onto the Elise's in my little (big?) Z4, but it was fun trying to get as much as I could out of it to keep up with Wally and co. while fending off Freezer.

Still, I was happy with my efforts as most qualifying and race laps were around my PB taking into account fuel loads and tyres... but still over a second slower than Marty.  There is no easy way to bring everyone together without ballast so I'm happy to be mixing it with a few others, even if it means the championship isn't viable for me.

Overall it was a fun night.  The first race I was on my own pretty much, separated by a bit to the car in front and behind, so that was uneventful.  The second race I was behind Wally for most of it but couldn't past as I just didn't have the speed into/through/out of the corners or the brakes to try a move.  Eventually Freezer got right behind me and I had to defend the big boy for the last couple of laps.  That was fun.  The third race Wally was on my tail, a little bit behind, but I felt I had to defend into the corner after the wiggly bit due to the braking difference between the cars, but I went a bit long which let him past and I had no hope of catching him after that.

Overall I think I passed only 1 car on track over all of the 3 races, but still had fun.  It would be good if we could find another set of cars with similar performance differences for next season and do the same thing.

Oh, and I quite like Dicks skins.  I knew straight away what kind of car was in front or behind me just from the colour.  Good work Dick.

Only you could be capable of driving the Z4 so well I think Guybrush. sure Marty would have a go but I think the Z4 is a like a penalty for being too quick! I wouldn't write off your season's result so fast. Surely others will get the Z4 and you can get pretty quick in a SC.
  Well, I know it's black magic and voodoo that Wally uses. I hear he sacrifices a Robin Reliant every Tuesday at midnight. But surely you wouldn't get the Z4 two weeks in a row??
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: marty on October 01, 2014, 01:04:03 PM
Was a fun night the handicaps worked quite well with most within a couple seconds for qualy and race pace. Had a couple good battles with Mopz the first 2 races driving the wheels off it to hang on and we had a couple passes in race 2 but I finished just behind him in both.

Race 3 Mopz didnt do qualy but Bird had found some more pace by then and so he pressured me all the way. I think I got a bit burned out the first 2 races and I struggled to maintain concentration on race 3 with the second half of my race getting quite messy. Bird was throwing down some good laps and I was struggling but managed to just hang on. Lucky I had such a great start in race 3 as if Bird git the lead early I may never have got by which is a shame for him.

Good effort by all around me as there was no contact but some close racing especialy with mopz as we were side by side a couple times through t1 and the esses.

Guy did a great job in the little big kitty machine, I found that car to be about 1.5 seconds slower then the elise sc for me and as Guy is normally about .5 a lap faster then me I still had about a second on him in ultimate pace. Next round will give the faster cars in a straight line a bit more of a boost and so spice up the racing a bit more. Actually the last 3 rounds will be like this with a few longer straights and this was about the only track that really favoured the nimble little lotuses quite a bit over the larger cars.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Bruce on October 01, 2014, 01:31:20 PM
Well done Dick, it may be a daunting task, but great experience.  As always a good race report.

 
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Freezer on October 01, 2014, 03:11:35 PM
An eventful night.  I qualified around 6th for each race which I was happy with.
R1: Managed to avoid some early carnage to find myself behind Ysu in 4th but after a few laps I put a wheel on the grass and spun into the tight chicane and from there held on to about 8th.
R2: I was right under the back of Guy heading for the quick esses when bang, there seemed to be a spike and cars went everywhere which unfortunately put me back to about 18th.  From there I grabbed a couple of spots and had a great last few laps putting some heat on Guy, but he held on.
R3:  A bit more consistent in this one chasing Wally and Guy but not able to get by.
Apologies to Schmittez whom I tagged after getting a better run out of the 2nd last turn and spun him in one of the races.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Vipergod on October 01, 2014, 08:19:20 PM
Race 3 i had major lag issues,  I caused 2 bad incidents very sorry for that
Until i can fix my issues i will pull out of this season
Again, very sorry to Dav o and Grubbet i think it was
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Wally on October 01, 2014, 08:24:09 PM
Race 3 i had major lag issues,  I caused 2 bad incidents very sorry for that
Until i can fix my issues i will pull out of this season
Again, very sorry to Dav o and Grubbet i think it was
I wouldn't worry about it Viper. Blame the netcode. There are a lot of randomly jumping cars, like the bad old days of the old netKar. I forbid you from pulling out.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on October 01, 2014, 09:11:06 PM
Race 3 i had major lag issues,  I caused 2 bad incidents very sorry for that
Until i can fix my issues i will pull out of this season
Again, very sorry to Dav o and Grubbet i think it was

It was also a modded track. and it causes everyone troubles.
 My game also crashed and I also took out Daveo... and I hope Grubbet too! lol
Don't quit the season yet.. I don't think I've run into you enough Viper!
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Schmittez on October 01, 2014, 09:30:55 PM
Apologies to Schmittez whom I tagged after getting a better run out of the 2nd last turn and spun him in one of the races.

It's all good, I also had lifted a touch because the front end started to slide a bit which didn't help the situation.
Title: Re: Season 3 round 3: Castle Hill Long race chat
Post by: Freezer on October 02, 2014, 09:58:44 PM
Until i can fix my issues i will pull out of this season
Hang in there Viper, many of us saw lag problems that night...!
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