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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on June 01, 2016, 07:51:16 PM
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Cars: Ferrari 312T and Lotus 72D
Post your car choice! There will be an optional car swap mid-season, but it will cost 12 championship points if you choose to swap cars.
Schedule
Qualifying starts at 8:30pm Eastern.
R1: Jun 7, Mugello, 2 x 16 laps
R2: Jun 14, Brands Hatch GP, 2 x 22 laps
R3: Jun 21, Misano World Circuit, 2 x 18 laps [TRACK DOWNLOAD (http://www.mediafire.com/download/w7tcds4hizidmz7/misano_beta4.rar)]
-- Optional car swap --
R4: Jun 28, Spa, 2 x 14 laps
R5: Jul 5, Barcelona GP, 2 x 17 laps
R6: Jul 12, Imola, 2 x 18 laps
Format
Two races of about 30 mins duration. Both races will have 1 compulsory pit stop (enforced by a 4.6x fuel multiplier). Tyres are normal 1x. Damage is 100%.
15 min qualifying before race 1; race 2 will be in season standing order (except round 1, where it will be in race 1 finish order).
Weather will be as per the real-world track on the day, but without rain.
Sign Ups
1. Wally, Ferrari
2. Bacchulum, Lotus
3. Phil.8, Ferrari
4. StanDaam, Ferrari
5. Marty, Lotus
6. Grat, Lotus
7. Mael, Ferrari
8. AJ, Ferrari
9. Rolz, Lotus
10. Rob, Lotus
11. Flattop
12. Hylas, Ferrari
13. Chap
14. Bafs17, Lotus
15. Matthew111
16. Doobs, Lotus
17. Freezer, Lotus
18. Jeremy
19. Vipergod
Reserves
1. Bird, Ferrari
2. Ben, Lotus
The Fine Print
Points
Points are 40, 38, 36... down to 2.
Fastest lap in each race gets 1 point bonus.
Top 10 qualifying times before race 1, get points 10,9,8... down to 1.
Penalties
Every opening lap infringement (e.g. avoidable rear hits, unsafe track re-entry causing accidents etc), will be awarded 80 kg of penalty ballast for the corresponding race of the next round (80 kg is approximately 15 seconds over the whole race, but the time lost will vary from track to track).
Weather
Weather will be taken from the real-world location on each actual race day. Races are at 10:00am and 1:00pm.
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yes please
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Yep!! :P
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Yep
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As you know: I am in even if we drive tricycles!
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As you know: I am in even if we drive tricycles!
Better put tricycles in the wishlist thread then.
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Ok but not if its unicycles' :o
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agreed, 2 is the lower bound for number of wheels, and even then we'd need to have a long chat with Kunos.
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Count me in please Wally :)
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Ok but not if its unicycles' :o
It would make the question of how many wheels can go off-track easier.
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please :)
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Yes please Wally
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I'd like to have a run please Wally.
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tentatively yes, I may not be able to attend every week, so put me on the reserve list.
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It would make the question of how many wheels can go off-track easier.
My father and I were discussing the Tyrrell six wheeler last weekend. It's one of the most fascinating F1 designs, wonder if the AC can simulate it?
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I really enjoyed racing last season with you all so count me in.
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yes please
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Yes thanks :D
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yish
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I put up some schedule and format info in the first post.
Let me know your car choice.
I'll add more rules for completeness later, but they will be the same as always.
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I'll take a Ferrari thanks Wally. Are we going to do skins for this season?
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I'll take a Ferrari thanks Wally. Are we going to do skins for this season?
Sure, if people want custom skins, post here: http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=1488.0
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Yis please. Lotus thanks Wally
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I'm in . . . will update car choice in the next day.
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Wally just a suggestion, could we just have maybe a compulory tyre stop with a pit window instead of forced stops with fuel. That way people could stop at different points and maybe run hard tyres longer rather then just all stop mid race when fuel makes them do this. Or if there was no pit window then people could possibly stop just after lap 1 to fix damage and get tyres and maybe still stay in the race. Ai it is if someone gets damage lap 1 they may as well pull out of the race they would limp to pits stop and fix damage but then still need another stop so would lose about 1 minute in a 3l25 minute race.
PLP says when people change tyres so it would just make it much easier I think without the exaggerated fuel burn.
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Wally just a suggestion, could we just have maybe a compulory tyre stop with a pit window instead of forced stops with fuel. That way people could stop at different points and maybe run hard tyres longer rather then just all stop mid race when fuel makes them do this. Or if there was no pit window then people could possibly stop just after lap 1 to fix damage and get tyres and maybe still stay in the race. Ai it is if someone gets damage lap 1 they may as well pull out of the race they would limp to pits stop and fix damage but then still need another stop so would lose about 1 minute in a 3l25 minute race.
PLP says when people change tyres so it would just make it much easier I think without the exaggerated fuel burn.
The two cars have quite different fuel capacities. The Ferrari can nearly make it through the whole race on one tank, but not quite. The Lotus can make it about 2/3 of the way. I think that gives people plenty of choice when they stop and gives them some different tyre options.
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The main reason I suggested that is to give people a chance to make it one one early stop if needed to fix likely t1 damage. If you get rear ended then the car may be undriveable so the way it is people wont have any hope of a reasonable result losing the time on lap 1 and also needing a second stop for fuel. Its unlikely people would want to go the harder tyres wth 1 long stint as 2 shorter ones on soft would be best seeing as a stop is compulsory. But if your forced to an early stop for damage there really wont be much point continuing in the race being at the back early then also needing another stop later once you may have just started catching the back of the field again.
Also if the fuel usage is quite different wont that be more of a handicap for the car using more fuel. It will need to carry more and add more in the stop, seeing these cars are fairly evenly matched as is that could be enough to make the lotus lose out a bit more. Thats unless the only real difference is the size of the tank and not how much actual fuel they use.
Using the very high fuel multiplier also makes running longer stints worse as you carry more fuel and so are slower. Regular fuel burn gives options for different strategies the stop is forced anyway and can be a quite simple dq if no stop which should be enough incentive to ensure all stop for tyres or a minimum fuel add if you wanted to go that way.
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We're all in the same boat...
Take it all into consideration when choosing a car.
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Why do you always suggest people think "can't win, give up" Marty? ???
If I'm way out the back, I hotlap and hope others have issues for 1 or 2 spots.
I never think "there really wont be much point continuing in the race", I just think "that's racing".
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I think Marty only meant "have very little chances to get back to the main field, so I'll probably get a bit bored", not "can't win, give up", but I see your point.
Wally: is there any particular reason why you want the high fuel usage? I perfectly understand it and support it when we want to simulate series in which refuelling is a big part of the strategy. But for what I understand (http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/refueling.html) no refuelling during the race happened between 1957 and 1982 in F1. To be true, even changing tyres was extremely rare... (bar for punctures and stuff like that). But I am sure you have reasons. I am just curious...
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Why do you always suggest people think "can't win, give up" Marty? ???
If I'm way out the back, I hotlap and hope others have issues for 1 or 2 spots.
I never think "there really wont be much point continuing in the race", I just think "that's racing".
I finish every race I can no matter where I end up, but see in results how many tend to pull out after the first couple laps as is. If we make it less likely to even stay at the back of pack after an early incident it wont help there and simply less will finish races or even start race 2 if other peoples carelessness early means they are stuck way behind the pack all race.
Im fully for having full damage as hopefully that will also make people more aware to try to avoid contact, but if there is a collision and you need repairs it would be nice to still have some hope of at least catching the back of the field. If it meant you did your stop early and pushed on with a longer stint you may still get a reasonable result for the effort of hanging in til the end which is something that should be encouraged I think rather then giving no real reason to battle on half a lap or so behind the rest of the field all race.
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But for what I understand (http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/refueling.html) no refuelling during the race happened between 1957 and 1982 in F1. To be true, even changing tyres was extremely rare... (bar for punctures and stuff like that). But I am sure you have reasons. I am just curious...
One tend to forget F1 has always been changing and chopping the rules to a larger extend than any other motorsport in my opinion :D
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But refuelling was not forbidden until 1984. It was just not considered a good idea (despite at times running 400+ Km races).
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Im in :)
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I think Marty only meant "have very little chances to get back to the main field, so I'll probably get a bit bored", not "can't win, give up", but I see your point.
Wally: is there any particular reason why you want the high fuel usage? I perfectly understand it and support it when we want to simulate series in which refuelling is a big part of the strategy. But for what I understand (http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/refueling.html) no refuelling during the race happened between 1957 and 1982 in F1. To be true, even changing tyres was extremely rare... (bar for punctures and stuff like that). But I am sure you have reasons. I am just curious...
It's a simple way to enforce a pitstop, and pitstops add a bit of a strategic element and mix things up. I don't have to check who pitted, pit windows, or anything like that. I know everyone will have to pit at least once.
This season is not simulating any kind of real life competition.
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I'm in . . . will update car choice in the next day.
Lotus for me thanks Wally.
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I shall go for the lotus too. Thank you.
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Anyone who drives a Lotus is a pussy. Just sayin'.
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Anyone who drives a Lotus is a pussy. Just sayin'.
and you know what he won't mean to have done...
jokes aside: that's great news! I am happy to be closer to my feminine side, especially during our Tuesday night's sausage special fests.
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Lol
I'm just sad you never met Dick Forrest who used to race with us.
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Out of these two clunkers, errr I mean classics, I find Lotus is more forgiving on my shoddy driving style.
:)
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FYI, if I don't get car choices by Tuesday night, the default car will be the Lotus.
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FYI, if I don't get car choices by Tuesday night, the default car will be the Lotus.
Ferrari Please
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I added some more "Fine Print" details in the first post, which I've repeated here, with some red highlights.
Car swap now costs 12 championship points.
The Fine Print
Points
Points are 40, 38, 36... down to 2.
Fastest lap in each race gets 1 point bonus.
Top 10 qualifying times before race 1, get points 10,9,8... down to 1.
Penalties
Every opening lap infringement (e.g. avoidable rear hits, unsafe track re-entry causing accidents etc), will be awarded xxx kg of penalty ballast for the corresponding race of the next round (xxx kg is approximately 10 seconds over the whole race, but the time lost will vary from track to track).
Weather
Weather will be taken from the real-world location on each actual race day. Races are at 10:00am and 1:00pm.
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If there are too many Lotus in the end I'd be happy to change to the Fezza. I don't mind, I like both.
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lol Grat :D
Ferrari for me!!
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Ferrari for me :)
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Lotus please Wally.
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I havent decided the car yet but I guess if I dont choose a ferrair in time I will just get the default lotus, only ran the one race in the ferrari which is also fun but need to have a play with the setup, Ferrari is a little quicker here over a single lap I think but passing the lotus still wasnt easy. They really seem quite close so either car has an equal chance id say with one maybe having the slight advantage on some tracks the other on other tracks.
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lotus please Wally :D
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lotus please Wally :D
Roger.
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I will go the Lotus Wally, this track I think the ferrari is a few tenths quicker but I havent really ran a low fuel qual lap with full grip in the lotus so cant compare directly.
My skin is this beauty which kind of helped me pick the car too.
(http://i.imgur.com/77BB8rN.jpg)
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OK. Very nice skin, too.
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Hello guyzzz!!! heheeheeee
I am still around and in the background spying on you ;D I`d love to sign up for this season but we all(family) girls,boy and wife going to Italy(Tuscany for a month) leaving in 2 weeks,i have not been back home(the other home on to the other hemisphere for 3 years and time came to go and see my old friends and their families(some of them are from kindergarten) to see my old tuscany hills(i got a 50cc scooter to ride through those hills....drunk 8)) To see what left of my family only uncle and cousins(i lost everybody,mum ,dad,brother,,,i am the only survivor :()
To see my old walls,my old house(its an old convent funded in 998 AC heritage listed)you can see my place on my avatar,with the big pine tree that always been there and refuses to die.To speak my language,christ sake i need to do that cause i am the real Simone when i speak my language,to see my old motorbike,a yamaha xt 500,parked in the garage since 1989 and whisper to her,,,cmon,stay with me a little longer one day i will put you back on the road.
To see the month of july,full summer,i have not been in Italy in summer in the past 25 years....the country side must be spectacular....and why not........ to get stoned and drunk on a daily basis and grab some soil with my hand....and cry.
Also this is the airbnb link for my place,its in italian but there are some testimonials in english and some pictures you might find interesting,those windows upstairs are from a lovely attic waiting to be filled and built but i need to find some money :-X.....so...if any of you wants to go inTuscany(Italy) please consider.The host is my first cousin Giacomo,he runs the place and hes very good i`d be lost without him.
https://www.airbnb.it/rooms/1265400?guests=6&s=Gv8ANuYS
Have a good race guys,see you soon
yours, Simone
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wow Simone very nice place, The way you describe it i want to come also :)
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You sound homesick Simone!
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Yeah, count me in too, sounds excellent Simone!! :P
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Really nice,... and even the price is not bad ;)
Porta un bacione, Simone!
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Really nice Simone shame the house must not have any internets otherwise you could still join in after all your ping wouldn't be any worse then you get from the farm. :)
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I'll take the Lotus Wally. Can't tame the Ferrari unfortunately :-[
Simone I hope you have a great trip and time with la familglia.
Happy travels ;D
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I'll take the Lotus Wally. Can't tame the Ferrari unfortunately :-[
Simone I hope you have a great trip and time with la familglia.
Happy travels ;D
Done.
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where can i find some setups please
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where can i find some setups please
If you have ptracker jump on the practice server I have put one up for both the ferrari and lotus. They are maxed out engine rpm wise so you may want to either drop the limit or just shift earlier and have some extra rpm to play with if needed.
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I'll take the Ferrari, thanks Wally :)
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I'll take the Ferrari, thanks Wally :)
Done.
Once the server's up tomorrow night (about 6:00pm eastern), your car choice will be fixed until the optional car swap.
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Hi Wally: am I correct that the schedule is changed from previous seasons (i.e. quail is 30 mins earlier)?
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Hi Wally: am I correct that the schedule is changed from previous seasons (i.e. quail is 30 mins earlier)?
No, my mistake (why don't I just quote everything in Adelaide time, huh??). Qually is at 8:30 eastern.
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You sound homesick Simone!
Fark,,,,after 25 years in QLD :o
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Ah, Wally, I'll try to join in the fezza tonight if there's still space on the grid.
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Ah, Wally, I'll try to join in the fezza tonight if there's still space on the grid.
OK, great. I've got you permanently on the grid, so just join whenever you can.
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Hello Wally can i try the 312 as well tonight if its not a pain for you?
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I enjoyed your posting Simone, I only wish I had your prose... enjoy your trip, I know you WILL!
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Wally, could you slip me in the bottom of "reserves" please? I have trouble coping with these and I seem to have trouble applying myself at times, (I do a day at work on Tuesday which drains me a tad).
Have fun though, it looks like it will be a very rewarding series in these 2 cars.
Cheers,
Bruce
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You sound homesick Simone!
Fark,,,,after 25 years in QLD :o
...But no wally,is not even homesick,and poor QLD has nothing to do with ,,,lets call it,,,nostalgia,a bit of it.Dunno...maybe being 55 this year i start to feel and see things differently,i just started to "give a fuck" and i think is a very good state of mind.
Hey Bruce......i give you a hug. ???
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Hello Wally can i try the 312 as well tonight if its not a pain for you?
Sure, it's no pain.
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Thanks Simone, I appreciate the hug, and one to you too! Yes I, like you, have recently changed "priorities" and "stopped to smell the roses".
I am catching up with people that in the past were very important to me, who slipped due to less important "things"... but we are on the right path, enjoy all of it.
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Driving the lotus Wally (well trying too)
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sorry ill go lotus, Ferrari don't suit me lol
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I think Jeremy is going lotus too, could I be car 11 and Jeremy 12?
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Yep, all done above.
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I'll go on a reserve list too wally if that is ok. Not sure how worthy ill be of this car :)
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I'll go on a reserve list too wally if that is ok. Not sure how worthy ill be of this car :)
For Lotus
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I'll go on a reserve list too wally if that is ok. Not sure how worthy ill be of this car :)
OK, I've got you on the grid for whenver you can turn up.
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Hey guys,
Can I hop into the remaining races for this series? I'll probably opt for the Ferrari, not fussed about the skin.
Is ABS allowed? If not, I better start practicing. :o
Also what level grip are the tracks set to?
My steam id stuff:
steamID
STEAM_0:1:55330819
steamID3
[U:1:110661639]
steamID64
76561198070927367
name
Let's Test Drive
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Hey guys,
Can I hop into the remaining races for this series? I'll probably opt for the Ferrari, not fussed about the skin.
Is ABS allowed? If not, I better start practicing. :o
Also what level grip are the tracks set to?
My steam id stuff:
steamID
STEAM_0:1:55330819
steamID3
[U:1:110661639]
steamID64
76561198070927367
name
Let's Test Drive
Yessir. I'm out now, I'll answer later.
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Hey guys,
Can I hop into the remaining races for this series? I'll probably opt for the Ferrari, not fussed about the skin.
Is ABS allowed? If not, I better start practicing. :o
Also what level grip are the tracks set to?
Hey mate no ABS in these cars league runs factory assists only, track grip will be variable and seems to start between 94-96 and will end up at 100% before the end of a race. Not sure what qualy has been finishing on but going by laptimes its not quite getting up to 100% by the end of qualy.
I will add you to the whitelist for the pracy server too though I am fairly sure your MR AB anyway but at least that way it ensures you can always get into it. You can check the practice server that should be set as the race server though grip on that wont start quite as low. Practice server is set to start at 98% +-1 so 97-99% but as there are less cars running in that if it started too low it would never get up to the higher levels.
If you havent tried both cars you may want to give them a run in the prac server before making a choice, if you have ptracker I have a lotus setup up in that too you can try. I only ran a few laps in the Ferrari and that setup is a bit nasty still so not really good enough to share even if it can get a reasonable laptime.
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Regarding the ABS using a g27 I have my brake gamma set at 1.00 so fully linear, also make sure that at some point after joining a server to fully depress the brake pedal. It seems AC needs to calibrate the pedals each time you start the game, so if you dont depress the pedal fully it wont use its entire range. You dont have to do it straight away but it only uses the range of your max press on the pedal so a good habbit is as you load into a server press all pedals fully to get full range out of them.
This caught me out in one of the rounds this season and I couldnt understand why I was locking up everywhere early, then I remembered and did 1 big slam on the pedal and it was back to normal. These cars especially I dont think I would fully press the brake pedal at any time on track always a little bit light on it so if you dont recalibrate the pedal as you join it will be very grabby on the brakes til you do.
The wheel doesnt have the same issue it keeps the calibration as set in launcher but this only effects pedals. Also you only need to do that each time you load a track. It will stay fine as sessions change, so possibly that could be where your having issues without ABS.
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Hey guys,
Can I hop into the remaining races for this series? I'll probably opt for the Ferrari, not fussed about the skin.
Is ABS allowed? If not, I better start practicing. :o
Also what level grip are the tracks set to?
My steam id stuff:
steamID
STEAM_0:1:55330819
steamID3
[U:1:110661639]
steamID64
76561198070927367
name
Let's Test Drive
I sent you a PM. Marty mentioned the track grip and ABS levels. See you on Tuesday! Qually starts at 8:30pm Eastern, with practice before.
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Hmm interesting concept Marty...
I have had the issue where I wasn't calibrated right on accelerator.
But this breaking in game calibration is new.
Have you asked this question in the AC forums?
It's not really an issue with ABS enabled cars, but in this season it would make a massive difference.
:o
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Hmm interesting concept Marty...
I have had the issue where I wasn't calibrated right on accelerator.
But this breaking in game calibration is new.
Have you asked this question in the AC forums?
It's not really an issue with ABS enabled cars, but in this season it would make a massive difference.
:o
I think it's a Windows issue, not AC. If you run some other pedal program like DxTweak2, you can see the brake pedal do the same behaviour (not go smoothly to the max input) until you depress the pedal fully.
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Hey guys,
Can I hop into the remaining races for this series? I'll probably opt for the Ferrari, not fussed about the skin.
Is ABS allowed? If not, I better start practicing. :o
Also what level grip are the tracks set to?
My steam id stuff:
steamID
STEAM_0:1:55330819
steamID3
[U:1:110661639]
steamID64
76561198070927367
name
Let's Test Drive
And PS. this season, we have a qualifying session for race 1, but then the race 2 grid position is in season standings order, without a qualifying session. Because you're starting half way through the season, for race 2 you'll be starting near the back of the grid.
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All's good, I managed a 2.19.9 with the Ferrari, but when Cherno made up 5 car lengths on me under braking in the same car I knew I was doing something wrong ??? :-[ :-[ :-[
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Hmm interesting concept Marty...
I have had the issue where I wasn't calibrated right on accelerator.
But this breaking in game calibration is new.
Have you asked this question in the AC forums?
It's not really an issue with ABS enabled cars, but in this season it would make a massive difference.
:o
It would still effect ABS cars as you dont have full travel range until you fully press the pedal. However most people using ABS probably floor the brake pedal quite often. I still try to threshold brake even with ABS as I would without ABS the only real advamtage of ABS is you can give a bit more brake without locking inside fronts.
Any time ABS is actually kicking in your actually losing sone brake efficiency so best to use it as a bit of an assist rather then rely on using it by just braiing to the floor every time which cant be the best way in any car real or in AC that I have noticed.
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All's good, I managed a 2.19.9 with the Ferrari, but when Cherno made up 5 car lengths on me under braking in the same car I knew I was doing something wrong ??? :-[ :-[ :-[
Good time!
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I put up some OW cars on my Nords challenge server, damn the lotus 72D is such a blast around that track and its a shame we arent running a final longer race at the ring as these cars are made for that place.
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Hey Wally,
Unfortunately with the slight change in the calendar, I will surely miss the last round. I will do my best not to miss the Barcelona one, but I have lots of guests around next week, so I'll confirm it later on.
In case I miss both: loved the season. I was absolutely impressed by the quality of most races: very few crashes, very consistent laps. Great season!
Thanks as usual for the amazing organization.
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Hey Wally,
Unfortunately with the slight change in the calendar, I will surely miss the last round. I will do my best not to miss the Barcelona one, but I have lots of guests around next week, so I'll confirm it later on.
In case I miss both: loved the season. I was absolutely impressed by the quality of most races: very few crashes, very consistent laps. Great season!
Thanks as usual for the amazing organization.
Thanks Grat.
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I know its late notice and all but is there any way I could get a start in this?
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I know its late notice and all but is there any way I could get a start in this?
Hi Hornbag, I sent you a PM. If you can get me your GUID, i can add you to tonight's grid. Which car do you want to drive, Ferrari or Lotus?
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I know its late notice and all but is there any way I could get a start in this?
Hi Hornbag, I sent you a PM. If you can get me your GUID, i can add you to tonight's grid. Which car do you want to drive, Ferrari or Lotus?
Hi Wally, feel free to use my seat. As I anticipated, I won't be able to race tonight (and next week I am away).
Have fun!