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DD1 - will equipment upgrades make you faster?

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Offline buellersdayoff

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DD1 - will equipment upgrades make you faster?
« on: July 08, 2020, 12:19:55 PM »
Answer...sort of but not really...
I've had the Fanatec DD1 for a couple weeks now and decided to share my thoughts on it. Before I get into it though I'll talk about how I got to this point.
Starting off a few years ago, getting back into sim racing and signing up here I bought the Logitech G920 and shifter and mounted it to my old wobbly fanatec wheel stand (the folding one) it did the job and I was having fun racing online with all you cool guys. Looking to get faster (my original wheel that I didn't use much was fanatec porsche with load cell and crap plastic shifter) I wanted to get a load cell pedal again. I bought the fanatec v2.5 kit with v3 pedals and shifter, all mounted to my wobbly wheel stand. The load cell pedals made the biggest difference for my lap times, mostly for my consistency which overall still needed a lot of work. The high quality metal sequential/H-pattern shifter was a bonus for atleast the feel and not having to modify my logitech one with rubberbands to turn it into sequential mode lol. There was also slightly more precision with the v2.5 not that noticable but helped to catch or moreso recover from a slide. The extra power from the wheel meant i had to add some home made brackets to stiffen the wheel stand (but it still moved occassionally). Opportunity to move my PC to another room and set a up a permanent rig I purchased a Next Level Racing GT-Track at about $800 (christmas discounts, 8020's were well over a grand). This was another slight improvement to consistancy since everything is set up in the exact same place and has no movment.
Soooo now..... questioning all the reviews on direct drive wheels and are they that much better? I had to see for myself lol. Budget allowed the unthinkable for me... I put the order in and had to wait almost a month. Chris Hayes youtube covers direct drive wheels quite accurately imo, check out his vids on the subject.
THE DD1, Bolting it up to the chassis I updated my driver/firmware to the latest beta (better sensor resolution for DD and some added tuning features) I quickly realised I needed the Fanalab software just to have the rev/flag lights on my F1 wheel working again. I tried the software with my v2.5 but uninstalled it straight away, it seemed to induce performance issues, a newer version and with DD wheelbase seems ok now. With the DD at 45% power it felt stronger than the v2.5 at 100% (in-game gain 70 for AC/ACC), it was quite the workout for the 2hr Kyalami race at ROOZ. A definate, but minor again, upgrade to the precision allowed for slightly better reaction and instead of catching a slide, helped to avoid them. Drivers and sofware haven't been an issue for me so far, however there is this ever so slight feeling of power going to motor when turned on but can't be felt other than sitting idle with no game going. Seems to be a fixable thing as apparently wasn't there in previous drivers. SRG youtube reviews on the DD1/DD2 are good for more info on the wheelbase, software and features, I don't have any of the flex in the wheel/shaft that SRG sees. The NLR GT-Track holds up just fine with DD1, if I grab the wheel with both hands, push up & down, the deck flexes and the wheel moves about a millimetre or two, it can't be felt while driving.

TL:DR Budget allowed upgrades over the years, calculated decisions on what to purchase as I go and not specifically chasing faster lap times with hardware. Minor improvements to the gear but moreso time in seat and focus on consistancy (still a WIP lol) has helped me get faster over the years. Just to add, I'm pretty shit at set-ups and just use Bacchulum's (thank you) with sometimes a tweak or two in AC and default aggressive (sometimes a tweak or two) in ACC. A good set-up and/or better gear can help eek out a tiny bit but imo it's not much at all.

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Re: DD1 - will equipment upgrades make you faster?
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2020, 04:22:33 PM »
Thanks Bueller a very interesting read :). How much faster do you think you might have been , had you started with the setup you have now ? To win races on a Tuesday night is no mean feat , I was racing for 8 years before I won a race.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2020, 04:33:38 PM by rooshooter »
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Re: DD1 - will equipment upgrades make you faster?
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2020, 04:43:12 PM »
Agree  , after reading this I'm even more tempted to get a set of pedals . I need better consistency above all else . just don't want to fork out a grand on them tho , will do some research on the fanatech elites unless anyone knows of any better mid price options.

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Re: DD1 - will equipment upgrades make you faster?
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2020, 04:48:27 PM »
Agree  , after reading this I'm even more tempted to get a set of pedals . I need better consistency above all else . just don't want to fork out a grand on them tho , will do some research on the fanatech elites unless anyone knows of any better mid price options.
I have Fanatec Elites with load cell. They are good when they are working properly, but I've had problems with the pots being worn or dirty and becoming spiky. I got replacement pots from Fanatec, but the pot gears just didn't seem to mesh very well with the base unit. The pedals are let down a bit by the same old dinky little pots with small plastic gears.
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Re: DD1 - will equipment upgrades make you faster?
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2020, 07:44:05 PM »
Fanatec . . !!!   Please, I'm running a G27 with . . . wait for it.....Upside Down Pedals (and a progressive brake spring) :) :)

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Re: DD1 - will equipment upgrades make you faster?
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2020, 09:39:30 PM »
If the sand baggers weren't carrying an extra spare tyre I'm sure at least one of them would have served me a can of whoopass.
I believe the upgrades have assisted me in getting to where I am now (sooner maybe?) however could have been achieved without the fancy gear. I've been fortunate enough to be able to afford such nice stuff, if you scrounge up enough most upgrades are worth it even if for the niceties and immersion. I didn't buy to get faster (aside from initially wanting a load cell again). I think Kcender or guybrush would probably find another second or two, I'm still a long way off that!
When I ran the cheapo vr headset for 3 months over Christmas it helped a bit as it gave me some depth perception, I've since tossed it because I couldn't stand screen door effect, sweet spot blur and the feeling of the eye balls sweating lol. It was fun though and might invest properly one day when the headsets and gpus are up to the task at a more reasonable budget.

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Re: DD1 - will equipment upgrades make you faster?
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2020, 10:07:43 AM »
Good read bueller. I also upgraded over time starting from a G27 on a foldable stand pushed up to my 32" TV sitting on the sofa to what I have now.

The two upgrades that definitely helped my lap times were triple screens due to having such a wide fov, and load cell pedals.

I did then upgrade the G27 wheel to the CSL Elite base with a couple of Clubsport rims which felt so much nicer to use, but probably didn't really improve lap times; just made the experience more enjoyable.

@jarmel you may be able to grab some used CSW V2 pedals on Gumtree or something. That's how I got mine.

 

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