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Title: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 09, 2018, 06:27:50 PM
RACE 1 RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2018/01/s20r3-bmw-m235i-at-thruxton-race-1.html)
RACE 2 RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2018/01/s20r3-bmw-m235i-at-thruxton-race-2.html)
RACE 3 RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2018/01/s20r3-bmw-m235i-at-thruxton-race-3.html)
SEASON STANDINGS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2017/12/season-20-standings.html)
SEASON STATS (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nu52lWM6_TIRBEGCTF32BxLe8mobfsCFpd_wOeuxpXI/edit?usp=sharing)

Round Points
Matthew111   116
Kcender87   106
Godzilla   92
killagorilla   87
Freezer   84
Joe   84
Jeremy   79
Grat   78
Seanus   73
Phil.8   69
Shayne   66
Bacchulum   60
Phil   51
Wally   50
Mael   47
ab156   39
Simone   38
Rob   35
RussG   34
JamieP   29
Dave O   28
Gratulin   22

Congratulations to Matthew111 on pole and the race 1 win, and Kcender for race 2 and 3 wins, as well as again winning the overall round.

Penalties
Race 1
A tough one – Dave O hit the rear of Kcender when he was rejoining the track after an off. Kcender was rejoining relatively slowly and carefully, in the direction of the flow of the traffic (i.e. not across the track), and was in Dave’s sight for some time. I have to call that one carelessness on Dave’s part, and call that a penalty.

Race 2
Godzilla deviated sideways suddenly across the track into the side of Kcender and into the back of me – penalty.
Grat drove into the back of RussG and caused a bit of carnage – penalty.

Race 3
Seanus divebombed too fast into the side of Freezer costing him positions – penalty.

Season Podium
1. Kcender87, 234 pts
2. Phil.8, 213
3. Grat, 205

Despite Grat's and Phil.8's relatively poor results here, there is no change to the overall podium standings.

Contact Reports

Contacts by driver
==================
Grat
------------------
   Lap 1: 14 kph
   Lap 1: 201 kph (+10 restrictor)
   Lap 1: 35 kph (+1 restrictor)
   Lap 2: 45 kph (+2 restrictor)
   Lap 2: 55 kph (+4 restrictor)
   Lap 12: 23 kph

Phil.8
------------------
   Lap 1: 14 kph
   Lap 3: 50 kph (+3 restrictor)

Godzilla
------------------
   Lap 1: 19 kph
   Lap 3: 25 kph
   Lap 4: 64 kph (+5 restrictor)
   Lap 4: 87 kph (+8 restrictor)
   Lap 6: 8 kph
   Lap 9: 1 kph

Kcender87
------------------
   Lap 1: 36 kph (+1 restrictor)
   Lap 1: 79 kph (+7 restrictor)
   Lap 2: 51 kph (+3 restrictor)

Simone
------------------
   Lap 1: 24 kph
   Lap 1: 25 kph
   Lap 1: 69 kph (+6 restrictor)

Gratulin
------------------
   Lap 1: 31 kph (+1 restrictor)
   Lap 1: 15 kph
   Lap 10: 11 kph
   Lap 10: 4 kph
   Lap 12: 11 kph

Dave O
------------------
   Lap 1: 67 kph (+5 restrictor)
   Lap 1: 68 kph (+5 restrictor)
   Lap 7: 51 kph (+3 restrictor)

Wally
------------------
   Lap 1: 14 kph
   Lap 13: 192 kph (+10 restrictor)

Rob
------------------
   Lap 2: 55 kph (+4 restrictor)

RussG
------------------
   Lap 4: 98 kph (+9 restrictor)
   Lap 9: 94 kph (+9 restrictor)
   Lap 9: 107 kph (+10 restrictor)

ab156
------------------
   Lap 4: 49 kph (+3 restrictor)
   Lap 9: 92 kph (+8 restrictor)

JamieP
------------------
   Lap 4: 29 kph

Bacchulum
------------------
   Lap 6: 18 kph
   Lap 9: 18 kph

Mael
------------------
   Lap 7: 42 kph (+2 restrictor)
   Lap 7: 124 kph (+10 restrictor)

Seanus
------------------
   Lap 7: 24 kph
   Lap 7: 117 kph (+10 restrictor)
   Lap 10: 6 kph

Phil
------------------
   Lap 7: 34 kph (+1 restrictor)


Contacts by driver
==================
Kcender87
------------------
   Lap 1: 34 kph (+1 restrictor)
   Lap 1: 58 kph (+4 restrictor)
   Lap 2: 1 kph

Godzilla
------------------
   Lap 1: 43 kph (+2 restrictor)
   Lap 1: 35 kph (+1 restrictor)
   Lap 1: 71 kph (+6 restrictor)
   Lap 1: 54 kph (+4 restrictor)
   Lap 1: 147 kph (+10 restrictor)
   Lap 4: 57 kph (+4 restrictor)
   Lap 4: 23 kph

Wally
------------------
   Lap 1: 43 kph (+2 restrictor)
   Lap 1: 131 kph (+10 restrictor)
   Lap 3: 42 kph (+2 restrictor)
   Lap 5: 14 kph
   Lap 5: 81 kph (+7 restrictor)
   Lap 5: 172 kph (+10 restrictor)

Phil.8
------------------
   Lap 1: 6 kph
   Lap 1: 226 kph (+10 restrictor)
   Lap 1: 204 kph (+10 restrictor)
   Lap 8: 1 kph
   Lap 8: 33 kph (+1 restrictor)

Grat
------------------
   Lap 1: 61 kph (+4 restrictor)
   Lap 1: 25 kph
   Lap 4: 75 kph (+6 restrictor)
   Lap 6: 26 kph
   Lap 6: 64 kph (+5 restrictor)
   Lap 6: 12 kph
   Lap 6: 24 kph
   Lap 12: 6 kph
   Lap 12: 20 kph

RussG
------------------
   Lap 1: 117 kph (+10 restrictor)
   Lap 1: 58 kph (+4 restrictor)
   Lap 1: 180 kph (+10 restrictor)
   Lap 1: 27 kph
   Lap 1: 24 kph
   Lap 10: 24 kph

Bacchulum
------------------
   Lap 1: 78 kph (+7 restrictor)
   Lap 1: 220 kph (+10 restrictor)
   Lap 3: 41 kph (+2 restrictor)
   Lap 5: 74 kph (+6 restrictor)
   Lap 7: 198 kph (+10 restrictor)
   Lap 11: 11 kph

Shayne
------------------
   Lap 1: 68 kph (+5 restrictor)

Jeremy
------------------
   Lap 1: 32 kph (+1 restrictor)
   Lap 5: 17 kph
   Lap 7: 19 kph
   Lap 7: 224 kph (+10 restrictor)
   Lap 9: 45 kph (+2 restrictor)
   Lap 14: 336 kph (+10 restrictor)

JamieP
------------------
   Lap 2: 53 kph (+3 restrictor)
   Lap 2: 208 kph (+10 restrictor)
   Lap 5: 7 kph

Matthew111
------------------
   Lap 3: 24 kph
   Lap 7: 26 kph
   Lap 7: 26 kph
   Lap 7: 41 kph (+2 restrictor)
   Lap 8: 25 kph
   Lap 9: 29 kph
   Lap 9: 21 kph

Dave O
------------------
   Lap 3: 30 kph
   Lap 8: 26 kph
   Lap 8: 2 kph
   Lap 9: 40 kph (+2 restrictor)
   Lap 11: 15 kph

Mael
------------------
   Lap 4: 32 kph (+1 restrictor)
   Lap 6: 59 kph (+4 restrictor)
   Lap 6: 17 kph
   Lap 6: 74 kph (+6 restrictor)
   Lap 8: 91 kph (+8 restrictor)
   Lap 9: 126 kph (+10 restrictor)

killagorilla
------------------
   Lap 6: 32 kph (+1 restrictor)
   Lap 6: 93 kph (+9 restrictor)
   Lap 7: 43 kph (+2 restrictor)
   Lap 7: 42 kph (+2 restrictor)
   Lap 8: 70 kph (+6 restrictor)
   Lap 8: 27 kph
   Lap 9: 40 kph (+2 restrictor)
   Lap 14: 154 kph (+10 restrictor)

Rob
------------------
   Lap 9: 22 kph
   Lap 12: 24 kph
   Lap 12: 48 kph (+3 restrictor)
   Lap 14: 156 kph (+10 restrictor)
   Lap 14: 146 kph (+10 restrictor)

Simone
------------------
   Lap 11: 14 kph
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 09, 2018, 11:36:50 PM
Results are up.
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Mael on January 09, 2018, 11:48:22 PM
Lesson learned, do not earn Wally's wrath. The bag of cement loaded in my BMW killed any chance of a good result  :'(   Overall had some good battles, had some great passes put on me (Grat & Jamie).

And thanks Seanus for waiting on me after our contact, an unfortunate incident which I blame on Wally for being so slow ahead of me  :)  But it is always good to see a driver redress if they cause an accident.
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 09, 2018, 11:52:06 PM
Lesson learned, do not earn Wally's wrath. The bag of cement loaded in my BMW killed any chance of a good result  :'(   
You're saying it wrong. It should be "Lesson learned, do not run into the back of anyone on the opening lap" :)
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Mael on January 09, 2018, 11:56:06 PM
Lesson learned, do not earn Wally's wrath. The bag of cement loaded in my BMW killed any chance of a good result  :'(   
You're saying it wrong. It should be "Lesson learned, do not run into the back of anyone on the opening lap" :)

No no no  ;D  the lesson is; DON'T GET CAUGHT!
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: killagorilla on January 09, 2018, 11:58:37 PM
Race 1 was quiet, wasn't able to keep up with the leaders, but managed to build up a gap to the fella behind me on 4.
Race 2 was very different of course...lots of action. My apologies to Matthew. I wanted to sneak through the inside at the exit, but you were slowing down because of your line (and maybe my nudge as well) a bit more than I expected and I hit you at the rear as a result...sorry. That line really is very slow.
Strangely enough I got kicked out of the server before race 3 and didn't manage to get back in in time for the race...ended up in the pits with a time penalty. That was great.
The result was accordingly.
However, it was some great racing and I enjoyed it...thanks.
Btw, it was amazing to see the speed some guys were carrying through the chicane before start-finish...seems to explain the 1:18.xx times on the practice server before.
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Joe on January 10, 2018, 12:00:25 AM
Pretty decent round for me. Qualified 6th and finished 4th in the first race. Managed to avoid the accident on lap 1 and had some place trading with Phil throughout.

Race 2 starting near the back again missed the accident and made a few passes to finish 8th.

Race 3 was going okay but got tapped in the rear going through the chicane and found myself facing oncoming traffic so coasted backwards off the track. Fortunately nobody else got caught up, but was no redress and I lost about 6 places. I made up some of those but was probably about 3 places down on where I could have finished.

I wasn't 100% sure at the time how I got hit, but looks like the car behind caught a bit of grass and couldn't slow up in time:

[youtube]-QCgd7kVQJc[/youtube]
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Godzilla on January 10, 2018, 12:11:19 AM
Feel like I got squeezed out a bit there in race two for that hit, plenty of track space to the left and all...
Funny how so many keep saying that the 1:18.xxx times are because everyone must be cutting the chicane, just check the lap speed graph, most guys are WAY faster through there then my lap. So maybe it’s the chicane, or maybe it’s the 244 laps of practice, but sure, let’s go with the chicane thing.. lol
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 10, 2018, 12:12:59 AM
Hi,

first: apologies to RussG (race 2), Phil (race 1), and I think Simone (race 1). I am not the safest driver, but I hope you believe me when I say tonight it was not normal for me, especially at the start and, in RussG's case, I had tried to race with PP off and I could nto see his brake light... so since I did not expect him to slow down much there... anyway: sorry.

I have done the DDU and played around a lot. Alone, I can hold 90fps very steady in any conditions. As soon as I load a replay, it is much harder. When with one or two cars around and far from the pits, it almost holds it at 90. But as soon as I am in heavy traffic or close to the pits, it never gets close to 90, with some deep drops to 60 or so. I have tried to take off PP (which was already at minimum and off, but I need it to see brake lights) world details down to High, no reflections at all, and something more. It gets a tiny tiny bit better. But really nothing that can make me feel confortable racing with everybody else around.

Any suggestions from you computer super-savvy is super uber welcome :)
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 10, 2018, 12:16:45 AM
My race 1 was pretty boring. I ended up just circulating between Freezer and Shayne, but with Godzilla catching up. He caught up on lap at the chicane, and pressured me enough that I oversteered exiting the chicane and put my car into the barrier, which cost me 4 places late in the piece  :(

In race 2, I was carrying a bit of damage from my hit into the barrier in race 1. It didn't get off to a great start when Godzilla hit my car in the opening corners, again bouncing me off the barrier and putting me last. From there I clawed a few spots back with some good close racing, until I oversteered at the chicane again and spun in front of Bacchulum and hit the wall again. I think I was losing car balance in the left then right of the chicane, setting up a gentle tank slapper that I couldn't quite hold.
Last again :(
I caught up with the Bacchulum/Dave O/Jeremy pack which was some good fun racing. Finished 18th with still more damage to the car.

Race 3 was full of action. Lots of close racing with different guys, a bit of panel rubbing and biff 'n barge - all good fun. No spins or incidents this time, but I was a bit slow because of earlier damage.
It was a bit disappointing to be passed in the chicane like this though, by a car going well outside the white lines:

But like I said, it's a bit difficult to make sure everyone's on the same page rule-wise when some aren't on Discord, or read the forums that much.
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 10, 2018, 12:17:53 AM
Lesson learned, do not earn Wally's wrath. The bag of cement loaded in my BMW killed any chance of a good result  :'(   
You're saying it wrong. It should be "Lesson learned, do not run into the back of anyone on the opening lap" :)

No no no  ;D  the lesson is; DON'T GET CAUGHT!
The replay sees all... from many different angles.
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Godzilla on January 10, 2018, 12:21:37 AM
Hi,

first: apologies to RussG (race 2), Phil (race 1), and I think Simone (race 1). I am not the safest driver, but I hope you believe me when I say tonight it was not normal for me, especially at the start and, in RussG's case, I had tried to race with PP off and I could nto see his brake light... so since I did not expect him to slow down much there... anyway: sorry.

I have done the DDU and played around a lot. Alone, I can hold 90fps very steady in any conditions. As soon as I load a replay, it is much harder. When with one or two cars around and far from the pits, it almost holds it at 90. But as soon as I am in heavy traffic or close to the pits, it never gets close to 90, with some deep drops to 60 or so. I have tried to take off PP (which was already at minimum and off, but I need it to see brake lights) world details down to High, no reflections at all, and something more. It gets a tiny tiny bit better. But really nothing that can make me feel confortable racing with everybody else around.

Any suggestions from you computer super-savvy is super uber welcome :)

Took a good shot at wiping me out in the fast right, though I think you came off second best there, had comfortably two thirds of the car on your inside.

On a PC note, the fans/heatsonks aren’t just clogged with dust causing he card to throttle are they? Pixel density setting hasn’t changed?
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 10, 2018, 12:42:12 AM
Hi,

first: apologies to RussG (race 2), Phil (race 1), and I think Simone (race 1). I am not the safest driver, but I hope you believe me when I say tonight it was not normal for me, especially at the start and, in RussG's case, I had tried to race with PP off and I could nto see his brake light... so since I did not expect him to slow down much there... anyway: sorry.

I have done the DDU and played around a lot. Alone, I can hold 90fps very steady in any conditions. As soon as I load a replay, it is much harder. When with one or two cars around and far from the pits, it almost holds it at 90. But as soon as I am in heavy traffic or close to the pits, it never gets close to 90, with some deep drops to 60 or so. I have tried to take off PP (which was already at minimum and off, but I need it to see brake lights) world details down to High, no reflections at all, and something more. It gets a tiny tiny bit better. But really nothing that can make me feel confortable racing with everybody else around.

Any suggestions from you computer super-savvy is super uber welcome :)

Took a good shot at wiping me out in the fast right, though I think you came off second best there, had comfortably two thirds of the car on your inside.

On a PC note, the fans/heatsonks aren’t just clogged with dust causing he card to throttle are they? Pixel density setting hasn’t changed?
I remember that. I actually thought you were way later, but evidently I was getting there very slowly as I was battling with somebody else before. Sorry about that, though, as you said, it went bad for me.

For the PC: I have just opened the case and had a good look inside: it seems really quite clean. Just a tiny patina of dust on some of the surfaces.

Pixel density is set on openVR. I have it at 1.4, which still looks decent, but seems not too heavy on the GPU. But in fact it is all ok with 1 car or 2 around. It is heavy traffic or the pits which seems to be a problem.

Now, quite frankly, I know I could really start to cut: pixels at 1.1, world detail to Medium, etc. But I am already on a pretty low quality, and I do not feel like racing with less than that. Since this is basically my only hobby right now, I can spend 1K on a 1080ti if you guys tell me it would make a huge difference and could perhaps handle the next oculus rift or vive coming, say 2019 (the thing I have currently seems to be a decent but much crappier imitation to me ;)). Hell, we did not make me a christmas or birthday present after all this year ;)

But otherwise, if you guys say it would nto make much of a difference or I would need a new one in 1 year anyway, then it seems quite a bit of money to me.
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Godzilla on January 10, 2018, 12:48:08 AM
Jump from a 980 to 1080ti is quiet large but a 1080ti is fairly old now and the replacement based on Volta should be coming within the next 2 months ish so hard to recommend a 1080ti now. What’s the rest of the PC spec? The 980 shouldn’t be having any major issues. Maybe download something like 3D Mark and see how your scores compare to similar systems
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 10, 2018, 01:15:21 AM
Thank you, Godzilla. The rest should be: i7 4790K with some NZXT Kraken Liquid cooler, an MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition motherboard, and a 650W Power supply (I guess this is all that matters... as you can see, I am pretty ignorant)

Are you saying I should wait to buy a Volta card, or wait to buy a 1080ti if the price goes down?
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Godzilla on January 10, 2018, 01:19:50 AM
Thank you, Godzilla. The rest should be: i7 4790K with some NZXT Kraken Liquid cooler, an MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition motherboard, and a 650W Power supply (I guess this is all that matters... as you can see, I am pretty ignorant)

Are you saying I should wait to buy a Volta card, or wait to buy a 1080ti if the price goes down?

The rest of the system is fine. I’d wait for the Volta, should be a good performance jump based on the Titan-V performance and specs. Titan V benchmarks about 55% faster then the 1080ti and it’s not even optimised for games
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 10, 2018, 02:21:43 AM
Thank you, Godzilla. The rest should be: i7 4790K with some NZXT Kraken Liquid cooler, an MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition motherboard, and a 650W Power supply (I guess this is all that matters... as you can see, I am pretty ignorant)

Are you saying I should wait to buy a Volta card, or wait to buy a 1080ti if the price goes down?

The rest of the system is fine. I’d wait for the Volta, should be a good performance jump based on the Titan-V performance and specs. Titan V benchmarks about 55% faster then the 1080ti and it’s not even optimised for games
True, but I am worried the 1180 (or 2080, whatever they may call it) may not be there until late 2018 and cost more than a 1080ti now... (I guess I could sell my 980 for some money on ebay, though... never did that before, but it has a market still, no?)
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: buellersdayoff on January 10, 2018, 04:49:26 AM
Thank you, Godzilla. The rest should be: i7 4790K with some NZXT Kraken Liquid cooler, an MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition motherboard, and a 650W Power supply (I guess this is all that matters... as you can see, I am pretty ignorant)

Are you saying I should wait to buy a Volta card, or wait to buy a 1080ti if the price goes down?

The rest of the system is fine. I’d wait for the Volta, should be a good performance jump based on the Titan-V performance and specs. Titan V benchmarks about 55% faster then the 1080ti and it’s not even optimised for games
True, but I am worried the 1180 (or 2080, whatever they may call it) may not be there until late 2018 and cost more than a 1080ti now... (I guess I could sell my 980 for some money on ebay, though... never did that before, but it has a market still, no?)
My prediction based on previous generations is the next ti (volta) will be later this year and very expensive, also because of lack of real competition. The next xx80 volta will most likely be around similar performance to a 1080Ti but similar in price (over priced at release time), again lack of competition. It could bring down the price of the 1080ti a little. Any how if you can get a 1080Ti for a good price you'll still be good for quite a while or wait for 6-9months for whatever volta brings.
On your current rig check all the temps with something like hwinfo64, make sure your cpu is good and not throttling it sounds a bit like cpu? Might be time to repaste the cpu if you haven't before.
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 10, 2018, 07:49:35 AM
Thank you, Godzilla. The rest should be: i7 4790K with some NZXT Kraken Liquid cooler, an MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition motherboard, and a 650W Power supply (I guess this is all that matters... as you can see, I am pretty ignorant)

Are you saying I should wait to buy a Volta card, or wait to buy a 1080ti if the price goes down?

The rest of the system is fine. I’d wait for the Volta, should be a good performance jump based on the Titan-V performance and specs. Titan V benchmarks about 55% faster then the 1080ti and it’s not even optimised for games
True, but I am worried the 1180 (or 2080, whatever they may call it) may not be there until late 2018 and cost more than a 1080ti now... (I guess I could sell my 980 for some money on ebay, though... never did that before, but it has a market still, no?)
It's not really worth selling old cards in my opinion. You get bugger all.


If it was me, I'd get a 1080 when their price drops. The new Volta will probably be horrendously expensive. I usually buy a generation back to get a better price. But don't leave it to long... old generation cards become unavailable very quickly when a new card comes out.
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 10, 2018, 09:06:24 AM
On your current rig check all the temps with something like hwinfo64, make sure your cpu is good and not throttling it sounds a bit like cpu? Might be time to repaste the cpu if you haven't before.
Thank you. I tested it on the replay from last night races. fps were dropping as usual, but CPU temps were all in the mid 50's and GPU was set between 72 and 73C. All in all, it does not seem to be a heat issue.
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Bird on January 10, 2018, 09:11:48 AM
The 1080Ti is a very strong card, but if you want the maximum, pay a little extra for something that's guaranteed to run fast.  I run mine with a 4k screen and it doesn't break a sweat, well outperforming the previous 970SLI setup.
Eh, here's the list of components.  Keep in mind I'm using the asus bios' simple "once-click" overclock (no bs, I have not had to look at anything in the bios but set one config) to run the 6700k at 15%, so @4.6 GHz.

Only the RAM is running at base clock, that's something to address in the future I just need the time - and inclination - to do so, hehe.

Corsair Carbide 600Q
ASUS Maximus 9 Hero
i7-6700k
NZXT Kraken X62 cooler
G.Skill Trident Z 32GB (2x 16GB) DDR4 3200MHz
Samsung 960 Evo (nvme)
ZOTAC GTX 1080 TI AMP Extreme
Seasonic Prime 850W Titanium
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 10, 2018, 09:20:39 AM
The 1080Ti is a very strong card, but if you want the maximum, pay a little extra for something that's guaranteed to run fast.  I run mine with a 4k screen and it doesn't break a sweat, well outperforming the previous 970SLI setup.
Eh, here's the list of components.  Keep in mind I'm using the asus bios' simple "once-click" overclock (no bs, I have not had to look at anything in the bios but set one config) to run the 6700k at 15%, so @4.6 GHz.

Only the RAM is running at base clock, that's something to address in the future I just need the time - and inclination - to do so, hehe.

Corsair Carbide 600Q
ASUS Maximus 9 Hero
i7-6700k
NZXT Kraken X62 cooler
G.Skill Trident Z 32GB (2x 16GB) DDR4 3200MHz
Samsung 960 Evo (nvme)
ZOTAC GTX 1080 TI AMP Extreme
Seasonic Prime 850W Titanium
Bird! Thank you! Unfortunately you would have to break it up into baby-sized pieces for me to understand. Are you saying I should buy the ZOTAC AMP Extreme version or you are saying I should buy an i7-6700k or that I should overclock the CPU (lost overclocking settings a year or so ago and I am not good enough to do them myself, I fear, but your 1 click option sounds nice)?
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 10, 2018, 09:30:08 AM
That is, are you saying I should buy this: https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA/67853-ZT-P10810C-10P ?
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Godzilla on January 10, 2018, 09:40:37 AM
Would be extremely surprised if we don’t see a Volta based GeForce card by March. The Titan card based on it is already out now. Performance jump will be huge. 1080ti is nice but it still can not run AC maxes out at 90fps (reflections kill it)
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: buellersdayoff on January 10, 2018, 09:55:26 AM
On your current rig check all the temps with something like hwinfo64, make sure your cpu is good and not throttling it sounds a bit like cpu? Might be time to repaste the cpu if you haven't before.
Thank you. I tested it on the replay from last night races. fps were dropping as usual, but CPU temps were all in the mid 50's and GPU was set between 72 and 73C. All in all, it does not seem to be a heat issue.
Ok, so a gpu upgrade might be needed. A 1080Ti or 1080 would be a good bit better and of course the next generation volta xx70 and up might worth the wait but will be ridiculously expensive particularly around launch, in the meantime definitely overclock what you have since you have the cooling headroom, it can help with the minimum frame rates.
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: buellersdayoff on January 10, 2018, 09:59:48 AM
Would be extremely surprised if we don’t see a Volta based GeForce card by March. The Titan card based on it is already out now. Performance jump will be huge. 1080ti is nice but it still can not run AC maxes out at 90fps (reflections kill it)
Most likely, but I don't think you'll see a ti version until later this year and what does release soon won't be too far better than the 1080ti, but more expensive. Just my guess though
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 10, 2018, 10:04:07 AM
On your current rig check all the temps with something like hwinfo64, make sure your cpu is good and not throttling it sounds a bit like cpu? Might be time to repaste the cpu if you haven't before.
Thank you. I tested it on the replay from last night races. fps were dropping as usual, but CPU temps were all in the mid 50's and GPU was set between 72 and 73C. All in all, it does not seem to be a heat issue.
Ok, so a gpu upgrade might be needed. A 1080Ti or 1080 would be a good bit better and of course the next generation volta xx70 and up might worth the wait but will be ridiculously expensive particularly around launch, in the meantime definitely overclock what you have since you have the cooling headroom, it can help with the minimum frame rates.
You mean overclock the GPU. I can try, but it would be my first time doing that, really... I am so useless :(
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: buellersdayoff on January 10, 2018, 10:18:57 AM
On your current rig check all the temps with something like hwinfo64, make sure your cpu is good and not throttling it sounds a bit like cpu? Might be time to repaste the cpu if you haven't before.
Thank you. I tested it on the replay from last night races. fps were dropping as usual, but CPU temps were all in the mid 50's and GPU was set between 72 and 73C. All in all, it does not seem to be a heat issue.
Ok, so a gpu upgrade might be needed. A 1080Ti or 1080 would be a good bit better and of course the next generation volta xx70 and up might worth the wait but will be ridiculously expensive particularly around launch, in the meantime definitely overclock what you have since you have the cooling headroom, it can help with the minimum frame rates.
You mean overclock the GPU. I can try, but it would be my first time doing that, really... I am so useless :(
Yeah cpu and gpu, if you have time to do some reading this will help...
CPU http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-guide-with-statistics
GPU http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2749337/safe-gpu-overclocking-guide-2016.html and there are also a lot of youtube videos for gpu overclocking, stability testing is the most important part, don't want to crash near the end of a race or something lol
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 10, 2018, 11:14:02 AM
On your current rig check all the temps with something like hwinfo64, make sure your cpu is good and not throttling it sounds a bit like cpu? Might be time to repaste the cpu if you haven't before.
Thank you. I tested it on the replay from last night races. fps were dropping as usual, but CPU temps were all in the mid 50's and GPU was set between 72 and 73C. All in all, it does not seem to be a heat issue.
Ok, so a gpu upgrade might be needed. A 1080Ti or 1080 would be a good bit better and of course the next generation volta xx70 and up might worth the wait but will be ridiculously expensive particularly around launch, in the meantime definitely overclock what you have since you have the cooling headroom, it can help with the minimum frame rates.
You mean overclock the GPU. I can try, but it would be my first time doing that, really... I am so useless :(
Yeah cpu and gpu, if you have time to do some reading this will help...
CPU http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-guide-with-statistics
GPU http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2749337/safe-gpu-overclocking-guide-2016.html and there are also a lot of youtube videos for gpu overclocking, stability testing is the most important part, don't want to crash near the end of a race or something lol
Thank you. Ok, so I followed a guide and overclocked the GPU (which I think was already oveclocked a bit by default). It was stable with +60 core and +150 memory, but there was no visible change in performance when ingame.

I am a bit more worried about overclocking the CPU, as I am not planning at all to substitute it. But if you tell me it would really make huge changes...
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Godzilla on January 10, 2018, 11:18:16 AM
A bit of a stretch but I wonder if your issue is caused by the security update for Spectre,
See details here, especially on he older CPU performance hit part: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-intel-slowdown-old-chips,36293.html
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 10, 2018, 11:20:01 AM
A bit of a stretch but I wonder if your issue is caused by the security update for Spectre,
See details here, especially on he older CPU performance hit part: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-intel-slowdown-old-chips,36293.html
I thought about that too, as the update came in yesterday... I am not sure about how to check that though
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on January 10, 2018, 11:21:37 AM

Any suggestions from you computer super-savvy is super uber welcome :)

Maybe start a new thread letting us know what your current specs are, like ram, cpu and video card  8)
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on January 10, 2018, 11:24:17 AM
with a volta card your cpu will probably be the bottleneck
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: buellersdayoff on January 10, 2018, 11:29:17 AM
On your current rig check all the temps with something like hwinfo64, make sure your cpu is good and not throttling it sounds a bit like cpu? Might be time to repaste the cpu if you haven't before.
Thank you. I tested it on the replay from last night races. fps were dropping as usual, but CPU temps were all in the mid 50's and GPU was set between 72 and 73C. All in all, it does not seem to be a heat issue.
Ok, so a gpu upgrade might be needed. A 1080Ti or 1080 would be a good bit better and of course the next generation volta xx70 and up might worth the wait but will be ridiculously expensive particularly around launch, in the meantime definitely overclock what you have since you have the cooling headroom, it can help with the minimum frame rates.
You mean overclock the GPU. I can try, but it would be my first time doing that, really... I am so useless :(
Yeah cpu and gpu, if you have time to do some reading this will help...
CPU http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-guide-with-statistics
GPU http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2749337/safe-gpu-overclocking-guide-2016.html and there are also a lot of youtube videos for gpu overclocking, stability testing is the most important part, don't want to crash near the end of a race or something lol
Thank you. Ok, so I followed a guide and overclocked the GPU (which I think was already oveclocked a bit by default). It was stable with +60 core and +150 memory, but there was no visible change in performance when ingame.

I am a bit more worried about overclocking the CPU, as I am not planning at all to substitute it. But if you tell me it would really make huge changes...
Cpu overclock should help with minimum frame rates, but might not be much. Test it out, you can put it back to stock. Probably gpu limited in this application
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: RussG on January 10, 2018, 12:38:13 PM
Wondered why I had lost pace in qually. Realised between qually and race 1 that I wasn't getting full brakes. I turned the load cell up to full to get nearly full brakes which makes me think I have done a load cell. It was better but not ideal in the races as the brakes were just an on off switch - lucky we had ABS.

Race 1: rammed from behind by Godzilla - lap 4 I think.
Race 2: 28% restrictor from race 1. rammed from behind by grat on lap 1. Thanks for the apology grat.
Race 3: 52% restrictor due to the damage on my car.

Nuff said.
Let's do it again next week.
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: killagorilla on January 10, 2018, 12:49:58 PM
...Funny how so many keep saying that the 1:18.xxx times are because everyone must be cutting the chicane, just check the lap speed graph, most guys are WAY faster through there then my lap. So maybe it’s the chicane, or maybe it’s the 244 laps of practice, but sure, let’s go with the chicane thing.. lol

Godzilla, you’ve said it many times (in writing and verbally) that you lose time to others there at the chicane. My apologies for not excluding you as a racer who’s done a 1:18.xx allegedly without being particularly fast there for whatever reason. I’m very impressed by your performance.
I only mentioned it because there were quite a few situations where guys behind me suddenly stuck to my rear bumper on start-finish even though there was a pretty decent gap before…almost as if they were driving a different car.
Of course that doesn’t mean I’m saying they’ve cut there…I simply don’t know because I was very busy with my own driving at these times, maybe they’ve set up their car better than I did or they just drive better than me…all I’m saying is there were some guys being impressively fast there.
So, again, sorry about not being precise enough in the way I articulated myself :-)
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: ab156 on January 10, 2018, 09:08:48 PM
Jump from a 980 to 1080ti is quiet large but a 1080ti is fairly old now and the replacement based on Volta should be coming within the next 2 months ish so hard to recommend a 1080ti now. What’s the rest of the PC spec? The 980 shouldn’t be having any major issues. Maybe download something like 3D Mark and see how your scores compare to similar systems

or ... there will be a metric shitload of 2nd hand 1080Ti'i (is that the plural?) on gumtree in March...
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on January 10, 2018, 09:10:07 PM
might even be one here for sale, depending on how new cards benchmark
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: ab156 on January 10, 2018, 09:21:29 PM
Wasn't really feeling up to racing last night, partially because I seemed to be really slow looking at lap times and partially because I will still looking for my dummy after last week...

Ended up having a fairly entertaining night despite the results.  Some good racing that just didn't work out for me.

Race 1 - new pedals, with clutch .. you guessed it, jumped start.  Pitted for penalty, had some good racing until I came across my old mate Russ who I punted off the track. Whoops.  I am blaming his load cell issue, he is not having a word of it. 

Race 2 was probably the highlight of the season.  Had fun racing with / holding up Joe only for our party to be ruined by Grat who capitalized on two guys giving racing room to slice past 3 cars on the ENTRY to the chicane.   AND he actually did a right, left, right when he got to the chicane, unlike some  :-X  Came out the loser in the battle but enjoyed it immensely.  Would post a video but have lost the replay. 

Can't really remember race 3 other than getting shunted off on the 2nd last lap.  Another one for my list ;)

Looking forward to next week, proper track. 
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Freezer on January 10, 2018, 10:21:20 PM
Like some i was not at all confident about last night but managed to qualify 12th.
Managed to make my way up to 6th when nearing the end i realised it was 14 not 12 laps so quick pit for fuel and came home 11th.
R2 equally surprising to find myself in 4th nearing the end and was able to grab two more to come home 2nd.  Best result in a while . . !
R3. Copped a hit at three start but pushed on for a hard fought run to come home 5th i think.
What i thought would be a shocker turned out to be a great night.
Didnt even make the contact report . . !
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: RussG on January 10, 2018, 10:39:49 PM
It was a bit disappointing to be passed in the chicane like this though, by a car going well outside the white lines:

But like I said, it's a bit difficult to make sure everyone's on the same page rule-wise when some aren't on Discord, or read the forums that much.

I guess the easiest solution for the future is to ignore the white lines and the track is wherever PLP says it is, and if you aren't up to date with PLP you can't race. That way the rule is simple and noone can complain about where another car drives :)
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 11, 2018, 12:06:45 AM
Took a good shot at wiping me out in the fast right, though I think you came off second best there, had comfortably two thirds of the car on your inside.
I remember that. I actually thought you were way later, but evidently I was getting there very slowly as I was battling with somebody else before. Sorry about that, though, as you said, it went bad for me.
To be brutally honest: I watched my replay: at braking point there is no overlap and at turn it there is a very small one. Personally, I would have backed up given the nature of the corner. I don't blame you at all: you had the full right of taking that move and meet the risk. But to say I "took a good shot at wiping you out" and "you had comfortably two thirds of the car on my inside" is a big stretch, if not plainly wrong. Material for Wally's thread? ;)
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Godzilla on January 11, 2018, 12:15:12 AM
Took a good shot at wiping me out in the fast right, though I think you came off second best there, had comfortably two thirds of the car on your inside.
I remember that. I actually thought you were way later, but evidently I was getting there very slowly as I was battling with somebody else before. Sorry about that, though, as you said, it went bad for me.
To be brutally honest: I watched my replay: at braking point there is no overlap and at turn it there is a very small one. Personally, I would have backed up given the nature of the corner. I don't blame you at all: you had the full right of taking that move and meet the risk. But to say I "took a good shot at wiping you out" and "you had comfortably two thirds of the car on my inside" is a big stretch, if not plainly wrong. Material for Wally's thread? ;)

There is no braking point in to that corner, only a touch if you have stuffed the entry and are running wide to get a bit of weight on the front to help turn. Otherwise it’s a very quick lift and flat back on it. You turned in hard and whacked the car to your right. In either case, doesn’t really matter now, on to the next one
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Bacchulum on January 11, 2018, 08:13:11 AM
Try to remember, Godzilla, everyone has different braking points (hence why some people are faster than others).
Just because you don't brake there, doesn't mean no-one does. ;)
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 11, 2018, 08:16:34 AM
It was a bit disappointing to be passed in the chicane like this though, by a car going well outside the white lines:

But like I said, it's a bit difficult to make sure everyone's on the same page rule-wise when some aren't on Discord, or read the forums that much.

I guess the easiest solution for the future is to ignore the white lines and the track is wherever PLP says it is, and if you aren't up to date with PLP you can't race. That way the rule is simple and noone can complain about where another car drives :)
Yeah, that's probably right. Luckily tracks with bad cutting issues like this one are fairly rare.
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Godzilla on January 11, 2018, 09:24:52 AM
Try to remember, Godzilla, everyone has different braking points (hence why some people are faster than others).
Just because you don't brake there, doesn't mean no-one does. ;)

Different braking points I get, but braking where there’s no braking is dangerous.
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Mael on January 11, 2018, 11:35:24 AM
Try to remember, Godzilla, everyone has different braking points (hence why some people are faster than others).
Just because you don't brake there, doesn't mean no-one does. ;)

Different braking points I get, but braking where there’s no braking is dangerous.

Just shows how bad my setup was  ;D Had to brake to avoid going straight on!
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Bacchulum on January 11, 2018, 01:12:17 PM
Try to remember, Godzilla, everyone has different braking points (hence why some people are faster than others).
Just because you don't brake there, doesn't mean no-one does. ;)

Different braking points I get, but braking where there’s no braking is dangerous.
Like I said, everyone is different.
There's a very good chance only you weren't braking there, so you were the odd one out.
Or maybe not.
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 11, 2018, 02:30:30 PM
Try to remember, Godzilla, everyone has different braking points (hence why some people are faster than others).
Just because you don't brake there, doesn't mean no-one does. ;)

Different braking points I get, but braking where there’s no braking is dangerous.
Like I said, everyone is different.
There's a very good chance only you weren't braking there, so you were the odd one out.
Or maybe not.
Let's not get into linguistics now ;) Corners have braking points, turn-in points, and apexes. At the braking point you may brake hard, brake little, tap the brake, lift off, lift a bit, or even simply start praying the tyres will hold it. At turn in you may steer the car, flick it, or even use a bump or a piece of grass to make it flick. Still they are braking and turn-in points. :D

As for the accident: I do not care and I was the first to apologize. I just found the description a bit libellous. ;)
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 11, 2018, 10:16:40 PM
The opening lap of the reverse grid race 2 - to show the good quality of racing with 21 cars.

[youtube]0p7NzaYgl94[/youtube]
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: RussG on January 11, 2018, 10:32:04 PM
The opening lap of the reverse grid race 2 - to show the good quality of racing with 21 cars.

Wally, I think that's race 3. There is no pile up in T3/4 where grat rammed me .....
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 11, 2018, 10:54:30 PM
The opening lap of the reverse grid race 2 - to show the good quality of racing with 21 cars.

Wally, I think that's race 3. There is no pile up in T3/4 where grat rammed me .....
Yes, you're right - that was race 3.
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 11, 2018, 10:56:23 PM
The opening lap of the reverse grid race 2 - to show the good quality of racing with 21 cars.

Wally, I think that's race 3. There is no pile up in T3/4 where grat rammed me .....
You really wrote down a note to remember about it, did you? ;) (apologies again)
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: RussG on January 11, 2018, 11:03:12 PM
The opening lap of the reverse grid race 2 - to show the good quality of racing with 21 cars.

Wally, I think that's race 3. There is no pile up in T3/4 where grat rammed me .....
You really wrote down a note to remember about it, did you? ;) (apologies again)

Hahahah, sorry grat. But as soon as I saw it I thought ... that's not race 2 :P
I already accepted your apology, you don't need to do it again :D

by the way, that wasn't the biggest note I wrote down  :o ;D
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on January 11, 2018, 11:07:09 PM
The opening lap of the reverse grid race 2 - to show the good quality of racing with 21 cars.

Wally, I think that's race 3. There is no pile up in T3/4 where grat rammed me .....
You really wrote down a note to remember about it, did you? ;) (apologies again)

Hahahah, sorry grat. But as soon as I saw it I thought ... that's not race 2 :P
I already accepted your apology, you don't need to do it again :D

by the way, that wasn't the biggest note I wrote down  :o ;D
I know, me too. Actually, as soon as I read "opening lap of race 2" I thought: he must mean race 3 because I made a mess in race 2!
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: RussG on January 12, 2018, 12:00:24 AM
Different braking points I get, but braking where there’s no braking is dangerous.

So Godzilla, I guess you didn't feel the need to brake into T3/T4 (whatever it is) in race 1 (lap 4?) when I braked and Freezer behind me braked but you flew past Freezer and took me out. Then you drove off with no redressing of the incident. Two weeks in a row you have taken me out from behind mate.
It's just getting a bit tiresome for me at the moment. I have been taken out by other people in 4 of the last 6 races, and the last race I had 52% restrictor due to other people crashing into me.

I hope my luck changes soon ....
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: killagorilla on January 12, 2018, 08:15:01 AM
The opening lap of the reverse grid race 2 - to show the good quality of racing with 21 cars.

[youtube]0p7NzaYgl94[/youtube]

Great video. Of course it was race 3. Audio was up first and it was frustrating to hear you guys revving and my screens were still black...then the penalty as the icing on the cake...well, that was my contribution to that clean start  ;)
Title: Re: S20R3: Thruxton Post-Race Chat
Post by: Godzilla on January 12, 2018, 10:27:25 AM
Different braking points I get, but braking where there’s no braking is dangerous.

So Godzilla, I guess you didn't feel the need to brake into T3/T4 (whatever it is) in race 1 (lap 4?) when I braked and Freezer behind me braked but you flew past Freezer and took me out. Then you drove off with no redressing of the incident. Two weeks in a row you have taken me out from behind mate.
It's just getting a bit tiresome for me at the moment. I have been taken out by other people in 4 of the last 6 races, and the last race I had 52% restrictor due to other people crashing into me.

I hope my luck changes soon ....

I did apologise to you at the time and got no response. I can give you a heap of reasons why I did what I did but none of them will change anything so can we just please move on here?
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