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Title: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: marty on April 11, 2015, 05:45:09 PM
Ive noticed over the last couple weeks my connection turning to crap at peak hours and this is the same with many other aussies on my servers and in the league server. Coincidentally Netflix launched around the time things turned to crap, this isnt just effecting IINET but also optus, dodo maybe others. Australias network is pretty rubbish and the extra load from this has ground it to a pretty depressing state at peak times it seems.

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/the-real-reason-iinet-customers-are-facing-internet-speed-slowdowns-after-netflixs-arrival-20150408-1mgvas.html
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Wally on April 11, 2015, 06:08:55 PM
D'oh....
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Dick Forrest on April 11, 2015, 06:26:59 PM
Marty!!! It's George Brandis Farming your metadatas!!!!!!!

You're gone mate...
You better start scrubbing your drives. ASAP...
   I suggest XGN abandon any association with a Marty Cerven aka Mary Cervix... He could be funding pornographic terrorism and pushing it on our children via social media. That's what I've heard anyway...

I think we should watch Guybrush as well. He's just returned from a holy war of some nature.... But I think it was a prescription ointment or balm of some kind from the chemist that end up tuning the war in guybrushes favor.
 Just saying, wash your hands after using his setups...


Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on April 11, 2015, 07:35:46 PM
I thought it must have just been some poor netcode adjustments from Kunos.
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: marty on April 12, 2015, 09:28:10 AM
Marty!!! It's George Brandis Farming your metadatas!!!!!!!

You're gone mate...
You better start scrubbing your drives. ASAP...
   I suggest XGN abandon any association with a Marty Cerven aka Mary Cervix... He could be funding pornographic terrorism and pushing it on our children via social media. That's what I've heard anyway...

I think we should watch Guybrush as well. He's just returned from a holy war of some nature.... But I think it was a prescription ointment or balm of some kind from the chemist that end up tuning the war in guybrushes favor.
 Just saying, wash your hands after using his setups...

Metadata has been farmed and stored worldwide forever, this makes no difference. Pornographic terrorism lol that would be a new one but not surprising, I also just noticed you may contain traces of nuts.  That is like saying a bag of peanuts may contain traces of nuts, when the entire thing is fricken nuts.  ;)
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Bacchulum on April 12, 2015, 09:54:25 AM
It's just the new speed of our bastardised NBN. :o
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Wally on April 12, 2015, 10:55:10 AM
It's just the new speed of our bastardised NBN. :o

I think you're right, from what I've read. Fibre to the node instead of fibre to the premise. But how many people have NBN yet anyway? Netflix is probably killing all ADSL connections.
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on April 12, 2015, 11:45:36 AM
I don't know anyone who uses Netflix either...  Apparently the Aus catalogue is very small.  I have a bigger catalogue of on-demand from Foxtel.
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Wally on April 12, 2015, 01:03:53 PM
I don't know anyone who uses Netflix either...  Apparently the Aus catalogue is very small.  I have a bigger catalogue of on-demand from Foxtel.
I've read the same. Very few movies I would want to watch are actually available. What's the point?
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Bird on April 12, 2015, 01:39:57 PM
I don't know anyone who uses Netflix either...  Apparently the Aus catalogue is very small.  I have a bigger catalogue of on-demand from Foxtel.
You do, now.  I use Netflix - the US version, mind you - for about half a year now. 
The number of movies on the Aus version have been cut to about 1/5th of the US version, apparently.  But it's still a lot.

It's just the new speed of our bastardised NBN. :o

I think you're right, from what I've read. Fibre to the node instead of fibre to the premise. But how many people have NBN yet anyway? Netflix is probably killing all ADSL connections.

Nope, the rollout is crappola as of yet, so if there's a problem it's more likely something that has been building for a while.
I use netflix on an ADSL2, and even from the US it streams very nicely.  Chews through about 3-4GB for a full HD movie, but that's all. And it'll be the same on adsl or fibre, it does not matter.


Now, gents, two thoughts;
1) netflix probably did increase the usage, somewhat.  But that alone is not as much as smh would like you to think, in my opinion.  (c'mon, seriously?  smh for IT news?!? the guys don't know which end of an ethernet cable to touch...:) )

2) The bandwidth is like a pipe.  You can get more and more through it, but once it's near-full, even a tiny bit extra can trigger a serious problem.   Suddenly packets are bunched up, packets that would normally have gone through without delay.  And it just keeps pooling up, unless demand drops.   


So if it was indeed netflix tipping the scales, then we were probably damn close to having a problem anyway.   

If it's indeed in the iinet group only?  Then it's probably not netflix. (unless it's eating the same bandwidth iinet users are - which would be weird, server hosting is usually sitting on separate networks from customers)  Netflix would be used by people on all ISP's about equally.  Hence the other big ones would feel the pinch much more.


P.s.  I've noticed a few funny nights recently, too. And I'm with 'node (iinet group) on the central coast.   
Not sure if there's any global issue here, netflix or otherwise, or simply one or two exchanges can't cope with the load - temporarily, or simply due to slowly increasing usage.


But I'd also note that it seems some people are gunning for iiNet - not the first time. They had lawsuits before, they had one recently, and now they're singled out here, again.   Funny, especially since TPG apparently have bought it out.   Which, if it goes through, will flatten the ISP landscape in this country, considerably :(
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Dick Forrest on April 12, 2015, 06:11:35 PM
It's just the new speed of our bastardised NBN. :o

I think you're right, from what I've read. Fibre to the node instead of fibre to the premise. But how many people have NBN yet anyway? Netflix is probably killing all ADSL connections.

fiber?? NBN?? pfft. That is a Labor initiative! Destroy it! Besides copper wire is coal friendly.
 It goes copper wire to Brandis then to premises, and back to Brandis then to the webz. (George Brandis does not even have a computer in his office btw he totally computer illiterate).........

*check which forum i'm posting on...... Oh racing.... right..

Yes, yes we should all race faster.



Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Dick Forrest on April 13, 2015, 09:01:56 AM
In all seriousness marty, change ISP. You must be one of the very few who use dodo. You seem like such a tech savvy guy yet you have chosen one of the poorest performing ISPs out there.
They might be cheap but that's about it....

Ok now how many other dodo users are here? Maybe they have improved?
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Bird on April 13, 2015, 09:56:45 AM
Stop kicking a dead bird, Dick! 
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on April 13, 2015, 10:17:13 AM
I'm with Internode, and apart from some self-inflicted issues and our exchange burning down, it's been good but I'm still getting much more warping and ping spikes than a month or so ago.  I'm starting to wonder whether it might be the Amazon servers?
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Bird on April 13, 2015, 10:22:34 AM
I'm using Amazon services for business, and the larger instances (that Wally uses for races) are rock solid.  They're far better than any game server you can get.  The tiny ones, though...  So if your experience is mostly on Marty's servers (he uses tiny instances loaded with multiple AC instances IIRC - correct me if I'm wrong, Marty) that may fluctuate more. 
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Gratulin on April 13, 2015, 11:23:24 AM

I'm with Internode, and apart from some self-inflicted issues and our exchange burning down, it's been good but I'm still getting much more warping and ping spikes than a month or so ago.  I'm starting to wonder whether it might be the Amazon servers?
More likely something you picked up in Thailand?
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on April 13, 2015, 01:17:43 PM
Something from someone somewhere.  Id like to think I turned the tables on them though.
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: marty on April 13, 2015, 02:13:25 PM
Guy your ping was up and down quite badly when I saw you on the server. I saw it climb to 150+ yet guys from the US stayed a solid sub 200 and they didnt warp but many locals were warping. I use the medium instance on my servers as the tiny can barely do 1 24 grid server without issues.

The amazon servers are pretty solid and these are not the problem. Quite a few locals are unaffected but many more are now much worse at peak times, the guys from OS are much more stable then many locals now but only at peak times afternoons on weekends and say 6 to 10pm weeknights.

Anyone on NBN shouldnt be effected but ADSL connections are being overstressed it seems. Could just be local congestion at some exchanges.

Regarding Dodo ive had iinet, optus, netspace, tpg and other then netspace all have been the same. Netspace was very good until it got bought by iinet and then turned to crap. This is why I switched from them to dodo, proce wise not much between them and I can only get ADSL 2+ no option for naked. I need to pay for a phone line that doesnt even get used with no phone connected to it.

NBN has a large building less then 500m from my place but as all cables are underground in the estate there is no plan for NBN in any roadmap. My exchange is also at capacity now so changing ISP is not always easy and with neighbours using all other major ISP's with no better results its not much of a difference who you pay to use the same lines.

Dodo is likely overselling its network too so thats an issue but all others are doing the same so no real options here. Iinet was easily the worst isp I ever used and they managed to even turn a good one to crap within days of shutting it down.
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Bird on April 13, 2015, 02:32:27 PM
As long as we're on topic, can you badmouth iiNet for us, please?  I've never been with them, and my impressions of them so far were good, so I'm really interested about the details of  your issues!  Thanks!


E.g. I know that TPG is absolute rubbish when it comes to overselling bandwith to leachers (with their unlimited plans) and also their support - when I had to turn to it - had been an absolute disaster.  While this was quite a few years back, I'm not too keen on going to them.
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: marty on April 13, 2015, 03:10:06 PM
In terms of iinet I did first have them years ago and they were quite good early on then they started to have regular connectivity issues and the net would drop out quite regularly for hours at a time and at worst for a few days. I did dispute this and they found the issue on their end so gave me some credit for the days of no connectivity after months of contact. They simply couldnt provide the service I was paying for and thats when I switched to netspace and they were great for a couple years until iinet bought them lol. Then they went back to the exact same issues I had with them when I left the first time that never happened with netspace.
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on April 13, 2015, 04:04:44 PM
I'm wondering....

Bird and I both had ping spikes the other night (Thursday???) and we are both with Internode.

Internode (and I assume all iiNet subsidiaries) offer quota-free Netflix streaming.

Coincidence?
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Wally on April 13, 2015, 08:30:52 PM
I'm also with Internode. I don't know if I jumped for anyone. It didn't feel like I did.
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Bird on April 14, 2015, 09:20:08 AM
I'm wondering....

Bird and I both had ping spikes the other night (Thursday???) and we are both with Internode.

Internode (and I assume all iiNet subsidiaries) offer quota-free Netflix streaming.

Coincidence?

Where are you, physically?  I'm on the central coast, and I know I'm on an exchange that is 110% full - so my issues can stem from there as well.
I haven't had any in the past days, mind you.
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: marty on April 14, 2015, 10:08:46 AM
The funny thing is when I saw GB even though his ping got higher then I have ever seen it it wasnt as bad warp wise as I expected, he was getting the odd jitter but normally pings climbing that much would be near impossible to drive. I only ran a couple races last nite on my servers and my ping didnt climb much at all stayed around 44 while over the weekend it did climb to 70 and stayed above 50 most of the time. I did see much more warping and ping was moving up and down quite a bit which is where AC tends to cause most warping and netcode improvements could help here. Its clearly a sign of lost packets so not heaps that can be done but there is always room for improvement.

We will see tonight but last Tuesday and Thursday nites I have only seen minimal warps around me even with my ping climbing slightly up to maybe 60 on the race nite Tuesday.
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Joe on April 15, 2015, 08:07:58 PM
I've been with iiNet for 6 years and have always found them great and had no issues up until recently. Granted TPG bought them so they will probably go to shit now, but the recent issues are definitely due to Netflix.

This was pulled off their website by a guy at work last week:

"Off-net ADSL customers in NSW will be experiencing degraded performance during peak hour periods. Customers will notice slower than usual speeds, timeouts and high latency when using the internet. Technical Summary: Our links to our network partner are reaching capacity during peak traffic hours Resolution: We are working on upgrading the affected links. The current ETR for this work is 24/04."
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Bird on April 16, 2015, 02:02:05 PM
Truth to be told, I've not seen any problems in the recent days ( Internode // iiNet group // fuckingTPG)

But I notice, Joe, they say "reaching network capacity" - exactly what I thought earlier.  Even if Netflix was the last drop, this was something coming. :)
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Dick Forrest on April 16, 2015, 02:55:40 PM
Here's a news story and a bit of a empty apology and blame game.
http://m.watoday.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/netflix-regrets-unmetered-data-deals-with-optus-iinet-20150416-1mm5ey.html
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: marty on April 16, 2015, 05:46:00 PM
Truth to be told, I've not seen any problems in the recent days ( Internode // iiNet group // fuckingTPG)

But I notice, Joe, they say "reaching network capacity" - exactly what I thought earlier.  Even if Netflix was the last drop, this was something coming. :)

Ive seen Guybrush ping spiking pretty bad most nites and he had some nasty warps at the start of our little race run at Nords. He was very stable before he went to Thailand so it could just be one of the viruses he brought back.
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on April 16, 2015, 06:22:35 PM
Here's a news story and a bit of a empty apology and blame game.
http://m.watoday.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/netflix-regrets-unmetered-data-deals-with-optus-iinet-20150416-1mm5ey.html

Hmmm, thought this might have been the case as mentioned above, but they left out Internode.  Internode is basically iiNet now isn't it?
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Wally on April 16, 2015, 07:13:03 PM
Here's a news story and a bit of a empty apology and blame game.
http://m.watoday.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/netflix-regrets-unmetered-data-deals-with-optus-iinet-20150416-1mm5ey.html (http://m.watoday.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/netflix-regrets-unmetered-data-deals-with-optus-iinet-20150416-1mm5ey.html)

Hmmm, thought this might have been the case as mentioned above, but they left out Internode.  Internode is basically iiNet now isn't it?

iiNet owns Internode, but I don't know how much of the infrastructure they share.
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Bird on April 16, 2015, 07:14:51 PM
Here's a news story and a bit of a empty apology and blame game.
http://m.watoday.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/netflix-regrets-unmetered-data-deals-with-optus-iinet-20150416-1mm5ey.html

Hmmm, thought this might have been the case as mentioned above, but they left out Internode.  Internode is basically iiNet now isn't it?
Yes, they have been bought out a while ago.  However, now I'm not sure if their networks are also connected up completely or not...they've not merged, and Internode's webpage, support, etc, is still the same as it was.
Altho I seem to remember when I've asked 'node support for the potential IP allocations they said something about it being a very complex set of addresses due to the iiNet ranges added...I'm really not sure how they put it all together.
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: UBGrumpy on June 11, 2015, 03:50:06 PM
Hadn't noticed this thread before today.
I was with Adam Internet for 16 years, they were originally a South Australian ISP which later branched out to parts of NSW and QLD (I think) but mostly just South Australian. I was with them for so long because they were good and reliable. Then iinet bought Adam! They buggered the plans and raised the prices. So I switched to Telstra in December 2014.
For the first few months with Telstra I had no issues but once Netflix got going we now notice around 6-7pm our connection is crap, comes good for about an hour then at around 8-8:30pm it goes crap again. It doesn't happen all the time but we do notice its always around the same time of day.
It was really bad just after Netflix started, but over time it does seem to be getting better and doesn't happen as often but it does still occasionally happen. I cant say for sure its Netflix but just seem too much of a coincidence.
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: marty on August 31, 2015, 08:36:18 PM
I just did a speed test of my hotel connection in Osaka Japan, I would prefer this over my home connection which is fairly lame in comparison.  :'(

(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/2f34/gpxx9re44c9d1nn4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/gpxx9re44c9d1nn/Screenshot_2015-08-31-19-31-28.png)
Title: Re: Did Netflix kill aussie peak internet performance?
Post by: Wally on August 31, 2015, 08:58:03 PM
I just did a speed test of my hotel connection in Osaka Japan, I would prefer this over my home connection which is fairly lame in comparison.  :'(

(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/2f34/gpxx9re44c9d1nn4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/gpxx9re44c9d1nn/Screenshot_2015-08-31-19-31-28.png)
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