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Title: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: Wally on May 18, 2016, 05:08:00 PM
In the spirit of trying some of the cars that will feature in the upcoming season 12 poll, this Tuesday we will try the Ferrari 312T and the Lotus 72D at Silverstone. I'll wait a bit until we do the Jap Pack, so people have a little more chance to buy the pack.

2 x 10 lap races, with a 15 min qually prior to both races. The idea is for you to do a race in each car, for comparison.

Realistic weather for Silverstone at this time of year is about 18 degrees.
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: Wally on May 19, 2016, 10:08:49 AM
PS. Damage at 100%
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: Bacchulum on May 21, 2016, 01:35:33 PM
Do we have to use both cars?
 ???
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: Wally on May 21, 2016, 01:58:12 PM
Do we have to use both cars?
 ???
Oh not really. It's  more to encourage people to try both cars. But if you've already settled on one of them, then fine.
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: Bacchulum on May 21, 2016, 02:23:43 PM
Yeah, my all time favourite driver, Ronnie Peterson, drove the 72D so there's no way I'm not driving one. ;)
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: Wally on May 21, 2016, 03:49:14 PM
Yeah, my all time favourite driver, Ronnie Peterson, drove the 72D so there's no way I'm not driving one. ;)

Why is he your favourite driver?
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: Bacchulum on May 21, 2016, 04:02:35 PM
He could drive a piece of shit fast! 8)
He was always oversteery and when Gilles Villeneuve saw him said "I want to drive like that". :-X
He also honoured his word when he signed as #2 to Andretti. 8)

"Ronnie drives absolutely flat-out, all the time, If he's off the pace, then it might be the car. Not him."
Colin Chapman

"That would be a bloody fantastic spectacle, I can tell you. We would take corners one gear lower than we do now, and get the cars sideways. You know, people still rave about Ronnie Peterson in a Lotus 72, and I understand that. I agree with them. That's the kind of entertainment I want to give the crowds. Smoke the tyres ! Yeah ! "
Gilles Villeneuve discussing his ideal car and driver.
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: marty on May 21, 2016, 09:19:03 PM
I will be away next week so wont make this race, I did run a couple laps on the practice server and made a basic setup which is in ptracker for the lotus. There is still a fair bit left in the car here as each lap I was still finding something, the cars are fun to drive and are the exact opposite of last season. Seems there isnt a great deal of aero and my laptime was still a couple seconds slower then the GT3 pole lap there the other week. If these cars are accurate it goes to show how much technology has evolved if gt cars can now lap faster then a formula 1 car.
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: slideways on May 24, 2016, 03:22:02 PM
Won't be there for this one guys. Have fun. :)
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: Wally on May 24, 2016, 06:33:40 PM
Server's up.
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: Mael on May 24, 2016, 09:59:31 PM
That was great fun Wally, especially the second race!  Once one build a bit of confidence in the cars they really feel alive  ;D
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: Phil.8 on May 24, 2016, 10:06:30 PM
I really liked it, i think maybe fixed setup in these to get more driving and less setup fiddling
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: grat on May 24, 2016, 10:14:06 PM
The problem is that we cannot use the default setup (it is really bad for the lotus) and so the question is: who chooses the setup? I tried Marty's one, but could not make it work. I found something that worked for me and went for it... But yeah, it took a bit too much time to be fun. Although I appreciate learning a few mechanical tricks any now and then.
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: Wally on May 24, 2016, 10:38:57 PM
RACE RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2016/05/ferrari-312t-vs-lotus-72d-at-silverstone.html)

Race 1 was won by Jeremy in the Ferrari. The fastest lap was set by Jeremy, a 2:01.921.

Race 2 was won by Bacchulum in the Lotus. The fastest lap was set by Grat, in a Lotus, a 2:01.795.
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: Wally on May 24, 2016, 10:49:04 PM
The problem is that we cannot use the default setup (it is really bad for the lotus) and so the question is: who chooses the setup? I tried Marty's one, but could not make it work. I found something that worked for me and went for it... But yeah, it took a bit too much time to be fun. Although I appreciate learning a few mechanical tricks any now and then.
I'm not a fan of fixed setups for Tuesday nights. Setting up your car is all part of the skill, or leave it at default if you don't know what you're doing. Like Grat says, which fixed setup do you use? It might make the car better for some people and worse for others.

As to the racing, I enjoyed it. It's intense and requires concentration. Even if you're not battling other cars, it feels like an achievement to finish a race without either destroying your engine or your gearbox, or making too many mistakes. It's rewarding. Racing where you barely have time to blink is good racing.

Pros and cons:

Pros: Is a test of concentration and tiring, so you feel like you've really run a race! You get a sense of achievement.
The field can get rapidly shuffled, because it's easy for anyone to make a mistake, or in the extreme case, blow their gearbox.

Cons: Racing can be lonelier.
Perhaps a higher level of frustration as it's easier to make mistakes.
Potentially daunting setup options.

Anyway, use the experience to consider your season 12 option vote in the poll.
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: StanDaam on May 25, 2016, 09:14:20 AM
Thought it twas a fun night!
Had 2 very good races with no major offs and good results in both cars.
I agree with Wally's points, the pros n cons. I enjoy setting up a car to drive the way I like it. We could always just put a few base sets on the server that people could start with.
 :P
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: Mael on May 25, 2016, 10:39:14 AM
We could always just put a few base sets on the server that people could start with.
 :P

Yes please, I used Phil's test setup for the Ferrari with some tweaks of my own which made the car so much better than standard  8)
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: grat on May 25, 2016, 11:42:39 AM
Last laps duel with Jeremy:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9L5Da__NPg&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: Jeremy on May 25, 2016, 05:04:39 PM
Good racing bud!

Very clean
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: grat on May 25, 2016, 05:16:04 PM
Yeah, my team boss made a complaint about track limits at T11, but Charlie said no. ;)
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: Simone on May 25, 2016, 06:24:30 PM
Hello guys!
Sorry for the bad start but i thought the light turned off?  Anyway was good to catch up i love those cars.
Also i have dramas braking with the ferrari in fact  i am locking  the front wheel all the time with the min pressure,why is that? Very annoying.
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: Wally on May 25, 2016, 06:54:29 PM
Hello guys!
Sorry for the bad start but i thought the light turned off?  Anyway was good to catch up i love those cars.
Also i have dramas braking with the ferrari in fact  i am locking  the front wheel all the time with the min pressure,why is that? Very annoying.

I sent you a PM about the PLP app, with new start lights.

Yes, the Ferrari only needs quite light brake application. I moved the brake bias just a little more to the rear.
Title: Re: May 24 fun run: Ferrari 312T vs Lotus 72D at Silverstone
Post by: Simone on May 26, 2016, 08:14:38 AM
Hello guys!
Sorry for the bad start but i thought the light turned off?  Anyway was good to catch up i love those cars.
Also i have dramas braking with the ferrari in fact  i am locking  the front wheel all the time with the min pressure,why is that? Very annoying.

I sent you a PM about the PLP app, with new start lights.

Yes, the Ferrari only needs quite light brake application. I moved the brake bias just a little more to the rear.

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