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Title: Thursday Server
Post by: Phil.8 on December 18, 2015, 09:55:19 AM
I will update this first post when I know what I am doing with the AWS server
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Phil.8 on December 18, 2015, 11:19:41 AM
Thanks very much Dennis,  Are you sure you didn't pay to much :)
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Bird on December 18, 2015, 12:02:24 PM
How much is the server cost?

On that front;
I could offer some free amazon hosting, at least for the coming year, I think.
Our company has more credits we use in a year at the moment, just need to work out the server rights somehow. 
Last time I've tried I've failed miserably.
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Phil.8 on December 18, 2015, 12:14:12 PM
Thanks Bird.  I have a free amazon server as well, I just got this first month on a 50% discount to test it out over amazon.  I personally think its a bit smoother and its defiantly easier to update and stuff. 
For 20 slot it will cost around $208 a year, which for the ease of use I am happy to pay,  Someone has contributed nearly half of that already,  which I am happy to refund some if he feels he overpayed :)  and I have matched that amount also , so Its basically payed for 12 months now :)
Title: Re: Server
Post by: rooshooter on December 18, 2015, 12:33:06 PM
Thanks very much Dennis,  Are you sure you didn't pay to much :)
It is my way of saying thankyou to the people who run the servers, without whom
we have no races. I do not have the skills and really appreciate the time and effort
put in by the server admin.
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Phil.8 on December 18, 2015, 12:45:44 PM
Thanks very much :D
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Bruce on December 18, 2015, 01:10:29 PM
I know Dennis' generosity, nice work.
And thanks Phil Dennis is spot on.
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Phil.8 on December 18, 2015, 03:48:25 PM
Thank you Mr Rook, :)
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Phil.8 on December 18, 2015, 10:05:31 PM
Thanks a lot. Better not get any more donation for a while. Give them to wallys server.  With what the 3 of us have thrown in its over 12 months of server now :)
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Bruce on December 19, 2015, 01:12:55 PM
well, Long live Thursday's racing!  Yep good idea, I hope to run on the Tuesdays next year.
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Phil.8 on April 19, 2016, 10:26:10 PM
The last few donations (Thanks Very Much) run out soon so I thought I would do a small reminder post

Same as original post, I am not asking and don't except any payments, money is no issue, I am happy to pay it myself, Its just here if anyone feels the need :)

https://streamline-servers.com/billing/index.php?m=public_pay&hash_id=P5Wj7pKERk7E


Title: Re: Server
Post by: Bruce on April 21, 2016, 11:14:50 AM
Is this okay now Phil?
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Phil.8 on April 21, 2016, 11:40:38 AM
Just noticed , thanks very much :) I will match that today and that will keep us going for another 6 months :)
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Phil.8 on April 21, 2016, 12:20:45 PM
Thanks Dennis, most generous of you.
Please Don,t feel obligated to pay that much every time :)
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Phil.8 on April 21, 2016, 12:22:43 PM
I think I better name next season in recognition of a few people :)    The Bruce Dennis Cup Trophy sounds good :)
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Phil.8 on April 22, 2016, 11:20:29 AM
Thanks very much Simon, Very generous of you also :)

 The Bruce Dennis Simon Cup Trophy ? hehe
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Phil.8 on May 09, 2016, 04:46:11 PM
Thanks very much Grant Waterman  :)
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Phil.8 on July 04, 2017, 10:02:33 AM
I have learnt something today with amazon free tier, Its only free up to a certain amount of data and I got a bill this month, That does not worry me its only money and cheap :), I was just surprised that the server could of used nearly 10Gb of data, does this seem like a lot to others ?

$0.140 per GB - first 10 TB / month data transfer out beyond the global free tier
used - 9.989 GB

Title: Re: Server
Post by: Bruce on July 04, 2017, 10:36:36 AM
I have learnt something today with amazon free tier, Its only free up to a certain amount of data and I got a bill this month, That does not worry me its only money and cheap :), I was just surprised that the server could of used nearly 10Gb of data, does this seem like a lot to others ?

$0.140 per GB - first 10 TB / month data transfer out beyond the global free tier
used - 9.989 GB
it is the first 750 hours on a new account that is free, from that point on it is pay. AWS info. (https://aws.amazon.com/free/#legal)
not sure about the data load on the server, seems high, will need to look a that one, Wally or Bird may chirp in here... :)
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Phil.8 on July 04, 2017, 11:11:52 AM
so it changes to pay as you go or something,  if thats the case i probably better upgrade it to another type with a monthly bill instead :)
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Wally on July 04, 2017, 11:27:21 AM
The data could well be MR info going back and forth, refreshing the MR cache and so on. I don't think the AC servers themselves see that much action from the public, do they?
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Phil.8 on July 04, 2017, 12:00:16 PM
yes i was wondering if it was MR, i have turned it off for now
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Bruce on July 04, 2017, 12:22:04 PM
Certainly happy to chip in for the account even if you see it as "small".  Better to keep the "system" you have functioning, just give a hoy and there is a link me thinks for server payments... somewhere  :-\
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Bird on July 11, 2017, 08:21:23 AM
I can't comment on the data usage of AC, but indeed, the free tier has its limits every way.  Traffic is one of the cheapest things on Ec2, luckily.

Btw you can get another free tier account with another credit card if the first one has expired.  :)
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Phil.8 on September 07, 2017, 09:24:27 AM
I have had no more bills since I disabled Mino rating thingy
Title: Re: Server
Post by: rooshooter on September 07, 2017, 10:42:12 AM
I have had no more bills since I disabled Mino rating thingy
Must be getting close to end of free instance, should we think about doing a multi year deal with the same company as we have had no problems, PM me the details so I can chip in.
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Phil.8 on September 07, 2017, 11:09:29 AM
I think there is a few months left :) will let you know when time is closer
Title: Re: Server
Post by: rooshooter on September 07, 2017, 11:51:03 AM
I think there is a few months left :) will let you know when time is closer
OK thanks .
Title: Re: Server
Post by: Phil.8 on March 28, 2018, 08:55:07 PM
Free AWS server runs out this Saturday, and I have used up all my current emails.
This means its going to start costing, I have no idea how much yet as I cannot figure out how, so if anyone can figure out how much an EC2 Micro server will cost a month that would be very helpful :)
Title: Re: Server
Post by: rooshooter on March 30, 2018, 07:38:16 AM
Free AWS server runs out this Saturday, and I have used up all my current emails.
This means its going to start costing, I have no idea how much yet as I cannot figure out how, so if anyone can figure out how much an EC2 Micro server will cost a month that would be very helpful :)
Wally should have a fair idea or if we went with the same provider as him , he would know exactly.
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Bird on March 30, 2018, 08:20:14 AM
Free AWS server runs out this Saturday, and I have used up all my current emails.
This means its going to start costing, I have no idea how much yet as I cannot figure out how, so if anyone can figure out how much an EC2 Micro server will cost a month that would be very helpful :)

A t2.micro server's rough costs all up are around $15 iirc.  And then each tier is double as you go up.  Bit less, as usually the biggest cost is the cpu power,  then the storage (the drive attached) is a magnitude less, then traffic & S3 storage is yet another magnitude less (i.e. negligible)

Here's a calculator: http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/index.html - don't forget to change the region to "asia-pacific (sydney)"!

Note that at this micro level, the storage (drive) is still a significant cost.   Also note that storage *speed* is dependent on storage *size* funnily enough. 
Although in the t2 range everything is burstable - including i/o - these bursts can only be fairly short at micro level (a minute or two I reckon).

You can also buy reserved instances.  That means you pay someting up front and pay less (or nothing) ongoing.   Depending on utilisation this can be much cheaper - 20%-50%.   To get the cheapest you need to buy an all-upfront 3-year instance.
But even a 1-year all up front saves a bit: instead of $10.69/mo it's $80 one-off (USD) for the cpu power.

But you change the instance type to t2.small, and you start losing money, so this is only a good option if you're sure this is what you'll need for all year.

Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: rooshooter on March 30, 2018, 09:35:36 AM
Thanks Bird, what we have been using for the last year has been perfect. If we can get the same for a 3 year deal that would be good . PM me your bank details  so I can send you some money please Phil, once you can decide which way to jump.
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Phil.8 on March 30, 2018, 11:11:30 AM
Thanks,  that's pretty cheap, will I just go monthly or get a 1 year one,  3 years seems a long time
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Bacchulum on March 30, 2018, 11:15:22 AM
Thanks,  that's pretty cheap, will I just go monthly or get a 1 year one,  3 years seems a long time
You think it might not be good enough for ACC? ;) :P
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Phil.8 on March 30, 2018, 12:41:44 PM
I wont be playing ACC :)
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: rooshooter on March 30, 2018, 02:53:15 PM
Thanks,  that's pretty cheap, will I just go monthly or get a 1 year one,  3 years seems a long time
1 year should be enough if you think the prices are good, a lot can happen in a year. I do not think I will be playing ACC either, content does nothing for me.
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Phil.8 on March 30, 2018, 03:47:28 PM
I cannot figure out how to pay for the server I have for 12 months :(  so I will just leave it monthly I guess
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Phil.8 on March 30, 2018, 03:55:58 PM
Thanks Bird, what we have been using for the last year has been perfect. If we can get the same for a 3 year deal that would be good . PM me your bank details  so I can send you some money please Phil, once you can decide which way to jump.

Thanks, I just want to leave as is because it all works fine and has stracker all setup and everything and is already a micro server, just cannot figure out how to pay for it lol  ;D

But maybe I cannot do that until it runs out at midnight ? if at all
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Bird on March 30, 2018, 07:32:45 PM
I cannot figure out how to pay for the server I have for 12 months :(  so I will just leave it monthly I guess

You can purchase a "reserved instance" in the ec2 console (4th item on the left in the "instances" section) - then it'll automatically apply to any matching server.  This way if you need/want to start a new one and shut the old one down, it still applies. 

You just need to make sure you buy the correct instance in the correct zone, that's all.
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Phil.8 on March 30, 2018, 08:30:44 PM
Thanks Bird :)   what is difference between convertible and standard ?
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Phil.8 on March 30, 2018, 08:37:40 PM
This , partial payment even though it says all upfront  :-\
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Phil.8 on March 30, 2018, 08:38:26 PM
or this is my options, does that all look correct for full or partial payment ?
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Bird on March 31, 2018, 09:36:14 AM
Thanks Bird :)   what is difference between convertible and standard ?
Convertible is as it says; you can change the reserved instance to something - stronger or equal - later.   But you're saving less.   It's the "I'm unsure exactly what but I'll certainly need something" option :)
Quote
"...With Convertible RIs, customers now have the option at any time to change the instance family, OS, or tenancy associated with their RI.  Via the EC2 Console or APIs, customers simply indicate what change they want to make, and the change is made as long as the exchange is for an equal or greater spend on the new Convertible RIs. "
and :
https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ri-convertible-exchange.html



That second screen looks like it - the hourly is zero on them.
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Phil.8 on March 31, 2018, 12:47:31 PM
Thanks for all the help Bird :D
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Bird on March 31, 2018, 02:01:33 PM
No worries.
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: rooshooter on April 01, 2018, 08:26:00 AM
Thanks for all the help Bird :D
Yes thanks Bird, much appreciated :).
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Phil.8 on April 01, 2018, 09:17:58 AM
Thankyou Rooshooter,  thanks to your generosity we are paid for 12 months now
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Wally on April 01, 2018, 05:42:55 PM
Fantastic work rooshooter and Phil.
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Phil.8 on May 17, 2018, 09:53:11 PM
The server has started asking for a password every time I or Wally access it and also has started saying "The server name on the certificate is incorrect" and "The certificate is not from a trusted certifying authority", I am pretty dumb with all this stuff and was wondering if anyone (Bird) knows how to fix it
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Shayne on May 18, 2018, 06:57:40 AM
The server has started asking for a password every time I or Wally access it and also has started saying "The server name on the certificate is incorrect" and "The certificate is not from a trusted certifying authority", I am pretty dumb with all this stuff and was wondering if anyone (Bird) knows how to fix it

That would be the SSL certificate. Did you purchase one from a trusted authority previously?
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Wally on May 18, 2018, 08:05:57 AM
The server has started asking for a password every time I or Wally access it and also has started saying "The server name on the certificate is incorrect" and "The certificate is not from a trusted certifying authority", I am pretty dumb with all this stuff and was wondering if anyone (Bird) knows how to fix it
With the certificate thing, it's OK to tick "Don't ask me again for this computer" (or whatever it says). That's more a problem at the Amazon end than anything we can fix.
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Bird on May 18, 2018, 09:07:16 AM
Access it how, Phil?  Browser (I guess)?   

In that case all you need is a new SSL certificate.  It could be the code that serves the html pages installed its own self-signed certificate and it's now expired. 
It can be regenerated, but you need to know a few details.   There's also a possibility that upgrading the code, or calling a reconfiguration in it will regenerate the certificate.

eg here's a page about "how to generate self-signed certificates".
https://www.sslshopper.com/article-how-to-create-a-self-signed-certificate.html

It's nothing but a couple of files that resides somewhere in the file system, that the web server reads and uses for encryption.
You can call a command on linux to generate such a certificate.

Alternatively, you can get free signed certificates, eg https://letsencrypt.org/
It may look a bit easier, but you still need to find the originals to replace them, and of course give the certificate authority the same details to generate the cert - eg hostname.
In fact a lot of these require you to generate a key file called "CSR" (certificate sign request) via apache, upload it, and they'll give you the certificate files.

How to find the certificate?
In apache, you just look into the ssl.conf file, which usually resides somewhere like /etc/httpd/conf.d/ssl.conf, it's a few pages long, but will have a line like this:
SSLCertificateFile /var/www/ssl/[filename].crt

You need to replace a few files, mind, not just that one. That's simply the public certificate file.
There's also the private key
SSLCertificateKeyFile /var/www/ssl/[filename].key

And the certificate authority file:
SSLCACertificateFile /var/www/ssl/[filename].ca-bundle

They may not have the same extensions, and will probably reside elsewhere, not in /var/www/ nevermind that.

After replacing them, restart apache.

Do take backups of both config & certificate files, in case something gets fucked up!

Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Joe on May 18, 2018, 09:21:48 AM
Like Wally said this is more an internal Amazon thing when authenticating for RDP. I wouldn't sorry about it. You don't need your own SSL cert on the server.
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Phil.8 on May 18, 2018, 11:09:27 AM
Thanks all :)

what about the password not saving anymore ?
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Shayne on May 18, 2018, 11:13:19 AM
Thanks all :)

what about the password not saving anymore ?

Depends on how you access the server I suppose. Are you using RDP? Teamviewer? What is not working here?
I'm guessing the password is actually working though and you just need to enter it each time?
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Phil.8 on May 18, 2018, 11:21:49 AM
Yes remote desktop connection and yep it works , just have to re enter it each time

Wally may explain it better, I am a dummy with this stuff
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: GzeroD on May 18, 2018, 11:35:31 AM
Same for me now.  >:(
Has an update just toggled on the lock screen? (I'll try it myself later)
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Shayne on May 18, 2018, 11:41:25 AM
Sounds like it could be issue with your PC, not the server. Maybe you should try this on your PC. (The PC connecting to the server)

Maybe start by checking this. This is just a copy from the URL listed just below. You can just scroll down a little bit on that page, I think it's the fourth picture on that page and this writing pasted below is just above that 4th pic. Check the policies on your PC to make sure it's allowing for saved credentials.



    Local Computer Policy ➞ Computer Configuration ➞ Administrative Templates ➞ Windows Components ➞ Remote Desktop Services ➞ Remote Desktop Connection Client

        Prompt for credentials on the client computer
        Do not allow passwords to be saved

https://superuser.com/questions/604483/windows-7-remote-desktop-connection-save-credentials-not-working
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Wally on May 18, 2018, 12:14:34 PM
It's happening to all of us, so I reckon it's a server issue.


I have started using this Microsoft tool to connect to the server:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=44989


This  doesn't prompt me twice for the password and is generally very useful especially if you log on to more than one remote server.
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Shayne on May 18, 2018, 12:57:49 PM
It's happening to all of us, so I reckon it's a server issue.


I have started using this Microsoft tool to connect to the server:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=44989


This  doesn't prompt me twice for the password and is generally very useful especially if you log on to more than one remote server.

Yeah that's also another option, is to install the more manageable version of Microsoft's remote tool.

The standard tool should still be ok to use. Just check your policies. I know it's happening with more people, but I still see it as the more likely issue.
I've seen RDP save credentials one day then not the next, work on one PC and not the next even though both were imaged together. I've never really cared about it much but it's just a problem I've seen pop up time and time again.
I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft pushes changes in with some of their updates. Remember v1803 has been released deployed for Win10 as well, maybe policies were updated with that update?
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Wally on May 18, 2018, 02:59:31 PM
RDP is remembering the credentials OK, because you can connect to the box OK. It's the server itself that is then asking for the Administrator password again. It's Windows Server 2016. Maybe there was a Windows Server update rolled out. I checked the group policy on the server, and that has disabled the need to enter a password when you remote in.


But then again, when I log in with the other tool, it doesn't ask for an additional password, so maybe Win 10 updated the RDP client and broke it.
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Phil.8 on May 18, 2018, 03:02:33 PM
Local Computer Policy ➞ Computer Configuration ➞ Administrative Templates ➞ Windows Components ➞ Remote Desktop Services ➞ Remote Desktop Connection Client


 I cant even find those settings :)  I am beyond help lol :D
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Bacchulum on May 18, 2018, 03:09:44 PM
so maybe Win 10 updated the RDP client and broke it.
;D ;D ;D :P :P

 8)
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: GzeroD on May 18, 2018, 03:16:28 PM
Nope. I'm still using 7.

Remote Desktop Connection Manager can't open .rdp files so I haven't used that yet.
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: rooshooter on May 18, 2018, 04:37:27 PM
Local Computer Policy ➞ Computer Configuration ➞ Administrative Templates ➞ Windows Components ➞ Remote Desktop Services ➞ Remote Desktop Connection Client


 I cant even find those settings :)  I am beyond help lol :D
I know where you are coming from Phil, I broke into a cold sweat just reading the response from Bird, let alone trying to implement it :o :o
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Bird on May 19, 2018, 07:28:23 PM
Local Computer Policy ➞ Computer Configuration ➞ Administrative Templates ➞ Windows Components ➞ Remote Desktop Services ➞ Remote Desktop Connection Client


 I cant even find those settings :)  I am beyond help lol :D
I know where you are coming from Phil, I broke into a cold sweat just reading the response from Bird, let alone trying to implement it :o :o
If it's RDP then don't try to implement it.  It's only describing what to do with web (or rather apache) based access. 
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Phil.8 on March 21, 2019, 05:23:25 PM
Rooshooter has donated the funds to keep the server running another 12 months,  thanks very much :)

Does anyone know/remember how I make a payment to continue the server for another 12 months,
is it under reserved instances - purchase more like these,  I just want to keep the server I have so I don't have to change anything,  just pay for it for another 12 months,  any advice is greatly appreciated,   

cheers
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Bird on March 21, 2019, 07:06:48 PM
Rooshooter has donated the funds to keep the server running another 12 months,  thanks very much :)

Does anyone know/remember how I make a payment to continue the server for another 12 months,
is it under reserved instances - purchase more like these,  I just want to keep the server I have so I don't have to change anything,  just pay for it for another 12 months,  any advice is greatly appreciated,   

cheers

Reserved instances work very simply; you purchase them, and they apply to any running instance.  Just make sure details match; i.e. server type ( eg t2.small ) and region (asia-pacific/sydney) - and of course you'll want to buy either the 12 or 36 mo full upfront.    (best savings is the 36mo non-changeable)

If you guys are short on the 36mo full upfront, tell me how much is missing and where to put the money, I can front it, no probs.
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: Phil.8 on March 21, 2019, 07:29:14 PM
Thanks Bird,  I don't expect you to pay, I would of paid any difference if I realised, it increases the price from 150 odd to 286, which is an awesome saving but I have already paid for the 12months  :-\
Title: Re: Thursday Server
Post by: rooshooter on March 22, 2019, 09:29:09 AM
Thanks for the very generous offer Bird.