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Title: The driving standards thread
Post by: Wally on January 04, 2018, 11:03:59 AM

This is a place to discuss racing incidents in a way that we can learn from them and improve our racing. It's not a place to blame and shame, but for discussion, keeping driver's names out of it.


For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CdBfiZLwLg


The mistake the driver of the white car made was to try to squeeze his car into a gap that wasn't there. The cars in front were already two cars wide; a third was never going to fit. He should have been more patient and waited for a better opportunity, or if the two cars in front were going to force each other into a mistake that he could capitalise on.
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: buellersdayoff on January 04, 2018, 12:50:55 PM
Made the front page news. I'm really sorry to Jeremy about that one, it looks bad like that. Reasoning (not excuses) I had some pace there and was already on the brakes, but didn't expect bacchulum to slow down that much even though I could see he was side by side with Jeremy. Wasn't intentionally "sticking my nose in" kind of had no where to go. Definitely a lesson learnt though.
It's almost identical to the incident I had with Phil, sorry guy's my apologies

Edit, I definitely needed to own up to this one and go against the no naming policy of this thread
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Wally on January 04, 2018, 01:22:30 PM
Ah, it was just the first one I found. There's nothing especially "newsworthy" about this one!
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Wally on January 04, 2018, 01:38:27 PM
Actually, it's probably good to hear from the following driver, to see how they saw it and what they were thinking, if you like. It's good to get to know what the guys around you might be thinking.
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Bacchulum on January 04, 2018, 01:59:42 PM
It's good to see that (hadn't looked at the replay yet).
In fairness to bueller, I did brake a fraction earlier then because I knew I had a car on the outside, so I didn't want to run wide into them.
At the time, I didn't know what had happened, if I had drifted wide, if Jeremy had turned in on me, or if it was something different (which it was).

In the end, I guess the lesson to be learned is 2 cars side by side will be slower through a corner, so if you're following, be prepared to brake a little earlier than normal. ;)
Other than that I considered it a racing incident. 8)
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: buellersdayoff on January 04, 2018, 06:07:15 PM
It's good to see that (hadn't looked at the replay yet).
In fairness to bueller, I did brake a fraction earlier then because I knew I had a car on the outside, so I didn't want to run wide into them.
At the time, I didn't know what had happened, if I had drifted wide, if Jeremy had turned in on me, or if it was something different (which it was).

In the end, I guess the lesson to be learned is 2 cars side by side will be slower through a corner, so if you're following, be prepared to brake a little earlier than normal. ;)
Other than that I considered it a racing incident. 8)
I really thought you were going go hard up the inside. I watched this video a few times now and I think I could have done a million other things, but the split second decision from the driver seat was the wrong one. The final punt that sent Jeremy off I was bad also, I do remember at that time thinking "oh no, what have I done" and "which way is he gonna go"
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: grat on January 04, 2018, 06:24:00 PM
Honestly, I would not judge the first contact too harshly. Buellersdayoff thought that Bacchulum was going to take the corner and go, and had a reasonable expectation to just follow that train through the inside and pass Jeremy. Of course he failed to notice how much Bacchulum had slowed down. This is entirely his fault, but a minor one compared to many mistakes we (at least I) do quite often. It teaches us we have to always have 4 or 5 eyes on the speed of the car right ahead of us, its braking lights, and the trajectory it takes---we can't take for granted it'll do what we would do in the same situation.

The second contact is sadder, and it's a mistake I do way too often: after the first contact, I remain in a brief state of confusion thinking "oh, no, I am at fault, I am an ass..." and forget to just do the right thing soon after: slow down and avoid further troubles. I do it wrong all the time, and it's really hard to get out of this habit, it seems.
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Phil.8 on January 04, 2018, 06:44:15 PM
I always thought a sim wheel that gives you an excruciating pain when you have an accident or make contact would be cool for realism
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Bird on January 04, 2018, 07:14:59 PM
I always thought a sim wheel that gives you an excruciating pain when you have an accident or make contact would be cool for realism

They say the 301 (and now the 401) is a bit like that; playing rally is a fairly painful experience.   Although it's a bit expensive and requires its own (sturdy!) room.
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Bacchulum on January 04, 2018, 07:16:31 PM
Honestly, I would not judge the first contact too harshly. Buellersdayoff thought that Bacchulum was going to take the corner and go, and had a reasonable expectation to just follow that train through the inside and pass Jeremy.
Not quite how it happened, earlier footage would give a better picture.
Jeremy was passing me, as I had run wide at T1, so all I was looking to do was deny him the apex.
I wasn't sure if the tyres were still dirty or not either, hence I was reticent to really hit the limit as well.
And on top of that, but known only to me, was that was my bogey corner where I struggled with turn in every lap, so I was never going to push the issue there.
 8)
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Simone on January 04, 2018, 08:21:15 PM
I always thought a sim wheel that gives you an excruciating pain when you have an accident or make contact would be cool for realism

It should be a normal thing,also.repairing the damage with money would be good too :'( :'(
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Wally on January 04, 2018, 10:34:01 PM
Here's another one. The orange car hits the white car in front who is in full sight the whole time. Racing incident, or avoidable? Note the driver was on the throttle when he hit the car in front, so it wasn't under brakes. It seems more care should have been taken there, with awareness of the speed of the car in front.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZq48f52mIs
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Bird on January 04, 2018, 10:47:05 PM
That is an interesting one.  From the outside it looks clear cut, but from the inside it happens rather quickly.   Certainly avoidable but surprising.  The kind of accident I'm prone to cause I'm sorry to say.
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Mael on January 04, 2018, 10:53:23 PM
Avoidable but it does happen when the following driver tries to get a run out of the corner to setup a pass on the next corner, so forgivable (like Bird I've done this often enough I'm sad to admit). Should the orange driver have pulled over and give the position back?

I always thought a sim wheel that gives you an excruciating pain when you have an accident or make contact would be cool for realism

Maybe attached an electric cattle prob to the chair?  ;D

https://ssli.ebayimg.com/images/g/fXIAAOSwmOJaKSqP/s-l1600.jpg
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: RussG on January 04, 2018, 11:13:28 PM
My take is that it was completely avoidable and to get a run on the car in front, the first thing is not to drive straight into them. There was plenty of spare road on the right.
My 2c
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: grat on January 04, 2018, 11:59:35 PM
Honestly, I would not judge the first contact too harshly. Buellersdayoff thought that Bacchulum was going to take the corner and go, and had a reasonable expectation to just follow that train through the inside and pass Jeremy.
Not quite how it happened, earlier footage would give a better picture.
Jeremy was passing me, as I had run wide at T1, so all I was looking to do was deny him the apex.
I wasn't sure if the tyres were still dirty or not either, hence I was reticent to really hit the limit as well.
And on top of that, but known only to me, was that was my bogey corner where I struggled with turn in every lap, so I was never going to push the issue there.
 8)
This is actually really interesting. It really shows how hard it is to understand what's going on. Even after watching a replay like 10 times. Thank you. I still think I am capturing (at least) some of what may have been going through Buellersdayoff's mind. But you are giving us the bigger picture, which obviously matters.
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: buellersdayoff on January 05, 2018, 12:51:53 AM
Honestly, I would not judge the first contact too harshly. Buellersdayoff thought that Bacchulum was going to take the corner and go, and had a reasonable expectation to just follow that train through the inside and pass Jeremy.
Not quite how it happened, earlier footage would give a better picture.
Jeremy was passing me, as I had run wide at T1, so all I was looking to do was deny him the apex.
I wasn't sure if the tyres were still dirty or not either, hence I was reticent to really hit the limit as well.
And on top of that, but known only to me, was that was my bogey corner where I struggled with turn in every lap, so I was never going to push the issue there.
 8)
This is actually really interesting. It really shows how hard it is to understand what's going on. Even after watching a replay like 10 times. Thank you. I still think I am capturing (at least) some of what may have been going through Buellersdayoff's mind. But you are giving us the bigger picture, which obviously matters.
I wasn't sure which car to follow though the turn, you can kinda see it in the short clip, and didn't even consider bacchulums grip level either (hadn't really crossed my mind). I chose to follow the car who I thought would be the fastest and most successful through the turn. All split second stuff, lessons learnt and certainly not excuses or someone to blame
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Godzilla on January 05, 2018, 01:23:41 AM
Will throw my 2c at that one, driver of the offending car was caught of guard at the total and unexpected lack of acceleration out of the corner of the white car. He did account for the slower entry speed with two cars in front and this can be seen with the second application of the brakes coming in to the apex as there were cars ahead.
The impact happens in what should be a fairly hard acceleration zone and you can see the yellow car in from walking away as well.

In either case a hit from behind is exactly that so it’s the guys behind fault. From that external view it’s a very Vettel/Hamilton in Baku kind of incident... lol

Talking about the second incident posted here...
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Wally on January 05, 2018, 07:55:39 AM
Will throw my 2c at that one, driver of the offending car was caught of guard at the total and unexpected lack of acceleration out of the corner of the white car. He did account for the slower entry speed with two cars in front and this can be seen with the second application of the brakes coming in to the apex as there were cars ahead.
The impact happens in what should be a fairly hard acceleration zone and you can see the yellow car in from walking away as well.

In either case a hit from behind is exactly that so it’s the guys behind fault. From that external view it’s a very Vettel/Hamilton in Baku kind of incident... lol

Talking about the second incident posted here...
Yes, that is a tricky one. But I don't think you can accelerate full pelt assuming the car in front is going to do the same. I always try to keep at least a little buffer to the car in front if I'm directly behind them, matching their speed, unless I've got a chance to move alongside them.
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: grat on January 05, 2018, 08:42:32 AM
Will throw my 2c at that one, driver of the offending car was caught of guard at the total and unexpected lack of acceleration out of the corner of the white car. He did account for the slower entry speed with two cars in front and this can be seen with the second application of the brakes coming in to the apex as there were cars ahead.
The impact happens in what should be a fairly hard acceleration zone and you can see the yellow car in from walking away as well.

In either case a hit from behind is exactly that so it’s the guys behind fault. From that external view it’s a very Vettel/Hamilton in Baku kind of incident... lol

Talking about the second incident posted here...
Yes, that is a tricky one. But I don't think you can accelerate full pelt assuming the car in front is going to do the same. I always try to keep at least a little buffer to the car in front if I'm directly behind them, matching their speed, unless I've got a chance to move alongside them.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that, Wally. At least not all the time. One of the most exciting things of Tuesday night is when I am fighting with some of the fastest guys and I can follow them for laps and laps with each and every corner at qualy pace. (last Tuesday I did that with Matthew in race 1 and it was a fantastic race---only ruined by a sad misunderstanding once we were side by side on the back straight). Of course if you get really really close, then you need to lift a little and take a slightly different line or get out of their slipstream. But that's really only when you get within a meter or so. Until then, full pelt is the way to go if you can trust the other driver.

Granted, when they are two cars fighting ahead, it is a wholly different problem---and in that case I agree with you: give them some slack. Both accidents in this thread show exactly this: following two cars fighting for position is a completely different pair of shoes.
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Godzilla on January 05, 2018, 09:21:56 AM
Will throw my 2c at that one, driver of the offending car was caught of guard at the total and unexpected lack of acceleration out of the corner of the white car. He did account for the slower entry speed with two cars in front and this can be seen with the second application of the brakes coming in to the apex as there were cars ahead.
The impact happens in what should be a fairly hard acceleration zone and you can see the yellow car in from walking away as well.

In either case a hit from behind is exactly that so it’s the guys behind fault. From that external view it’s a very Vettel/Hamilton in Baku kind of incident... lol

Talking about the second incident posted here...
Yes, that is a tricky one. But I don't think you can accelerate full pelt assuming the car in front is going to do the same. I always try to keep at least a little buffer to the car in front if I'm directly behind them, matching their speed, unless I've got a chance to move alongside them.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that, Wally. At least not all the time. One of the most exciting things of Tuesday night is when I am fighting with some of the fastest guys and I can follow them for laps and laps with each and every corner at qualy pace. (last Tuesday I did that with Matthew in race 1 and it was a fantastic race---only ruined by a sad misunderstanding once we were side by side on the back straight). Of course if you get really really close, then you need to lift a little and take a slightly different line or get out of their slipstream. But that's really only when you get within a meter or so. Until then, full pelt is the way to go if you can trust the other driver.

Granted, when they are two cars fighting ahead, it is a wholly different problem---and in that case I agree with you: give them some slack. Both accidents in this thread show exactly this: following two cars fighting for position is a completely different pair of shoes.

Problem is compounded a bit by the reverse grid as you need to change your driving style completely. In race one you start and generally race with guys on a similar lap time to you. In reverse grid it can be easy to get caught out though.
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: grat on January 05, 2018, 09:29:01 AM
Will throw my 2c at that one, driver of the offending car was caught of guard at the total and unexpected lack of acceleration out of the corner of the white car. He did account for the slower entry speed with two cars in front and this can be seen with the second application of the brakes coming in to the apex as there were cars ahead.
The impact happens in what should be a fairly hard acceleration zone and you can see the yellow car in from walking away as well.

In either case a hit from behind is exactly that so it’s the guys behind fault. From that external view it’s a very Vettel/Hamilton in Baku kind of incident... lol

Talking about the second incident posted here...
Yes, that is a tricky one. But I don't think you can accelerate full pelt assuming the car in front is going to do the same. I always try to keep at least a little buffer to the car in front if I'm directly behind them, matching their speed, unless I've got a chance to move alongside them.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that, Wally. At least not all the time. One of the most exciting things of Tuesday night is when I am fighting with some of the fastest guys and I can follow them for laps and laps with each and every corner at qualy pace. (last Tuesday I did that with Matthew in race 1 and it was a fantastic race---only ruined by a sad misunderstanding once we were side by side on the back straight). Of course if you get really really close, then you need to lift a little and take a slightly different line or get out of their slipstream. But that's really only when you get within a meter or so. Until then, full pelt is the way to go if you can trust the other driver.

Granted, when they are two cars fighting ahead, it is a wholly different problem---and in that case I agree with you: give them some slack. Both accidents in this thread show exactly this: following two cars fighting for position is a completely different pair of shoes.

Problem is compounded a bit by the reverse grid as you need to change your driving style completely. In race one you start and generally race with guys on a similar lap time to you. In reverse grid it can be easy to get caught out though.
Absolutely. You can't drive as aggressively when you are in an heterogeneous (in terms of outright pace) pack.
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Wally on January 05, 2018, 06:09:45 PM
I split the public server discussion into its own thread.
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Wally on January 07, 2018, 08:04:46 AM
What do you make of this one? Should the car that was passed have backed off and conceded the following corner once he knew he'd been passed, or did he not have time to react?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ygoVdF8kus
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Bacchulum on January 07, 2018, 08:35:30 AM
Just by my first look, the re-pass may have been unintentional.
They look like they've just dropped the right side onto the grass at the braking point, which would've made pulling it up pretty difficult.
But if that's not the case, they went in far too hot to maintain the inside line, making it a dive-bomb.
Should've conceded.
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Simone on January 07, 2018, 09:13:49 AM
The driving standard is not up to scratch,thats clear.The game may not be very realistic but our behaviour  does not make it any better.I have accepted this as a fact a long time ago.The complete absence of consequences from accidents make our action more irrational.
In my first race after months i had been massacred.Do i care? Not anymore i just reach for the ESC button,open the fridge and i have a beer.In the last video you can tell that that driver not only does not know where the pedals r but he thinks hes in control of one of those stunt machine at luna park.
Its a game,,,and thats it!!  it would be NOICE to see a racing sim where the money,time to fix,and even injured would play a role,not only that but it would be good to see the manager of your team getting upset by your erratic behaviour and eventually fring you   Am i going too far?   maybe.
Some ppl said it is hard to know whats going on,,,yes it may be true but i personally use only the ARROW to see where my fellow opponent is and is working a treat,the rest use my three dimensional capacity,,,,,and lots of common sense

But this is a welcomed thread!!
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: grat on January 07, 2018, 09:22:57 AM
I am with Bacchulum. The car on the right goes on the brakes at the same time as the car on the left. But he clips the grass and loses it, eventually clipping the inside curb and sliding across the track into the other car. it does not seem to be a dive on purpose. Not the greatest example of situational awareness, but it happens...
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Wally on January 07, 2018, 09:26:33 AM
Yes, quite right - the passed car did put a wheel on the grass, which may have contributed to a loss of control.

Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Simone on January 07, 2018, 03:10:32 PM
The driving standard is not up to scratch,thats clear.The game may not be very realistic but our behaviour  does not make it any better.I have accepted this as a fact a long time ago.The complete absence of consequences from accidents make our action more irrational.
In my first race after months i had been massacred.Do i care? Not anymore i just reach for the ESC button,open the fridge and i have a beer.In the last video you can tell that that driver not only does not know where the pedals r but he thinks hes in control of one of those stunt machine at luna park.
Its a game,,,and thats it!!  it would be NOICE to see a racing sim where the money,time to fix,and even injured would play a role,not only that but it would be good to see the manager of your team getting upset by your erratic behaviour and eventually fring you   Am i going too far?   maybe.
Some ppl said it is hard to know whats going on,,,yes it may be true but i personally use only the ARROW to see where my fellow opponent is and is working a treat,the rest use my three dimensional capacity,,,,,and lots of common sense

But this is a welcomed thread!!

LOL 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: grat on January 07, 2018, 06:37:14 PM
The driving standard is not up to scratch,thats clear.The game may not be very realistic but our behaviour  does not make it any better.I have accepted this as a fact a long time ago.The complete absence of consequences from accidents make our action more irrational.
In my first race after months i had been massacred.Do i care? Not anymore i just reach for the ESC button,open the fridge and i have a beer.In the last video you can tell that that driver not only does not know where the pedals r but he thinks hes in control of one of those stunt machine at luna park.
Its a game,,,and thats it!!  it would be NOICE to see a racing sim where the money,time to fix,and even injured would play a role,not only that but it would be good to see the manager of your team getting upset by your erratic behaviour and eventually fring you   Am i going too far?   maybe.
Some ppl said it is hard to know whats going on,,,yes it may be true but i personally use only the ARROW to see where my fellow opponent is and is working a treat,the rest use my three dimensional capacity,,,,,and lots of common sense

But this is a welcomed thread!!

LOL 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
I have a sudden desire to ask for your pusher's phone number...
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: keithsgillan on January 07, 2018, 11:20:02 PM
The last vid, the passed car did get a wheel just on the grass unsettling the braking of the vehicle. Source - I am the driver of the passed car.

My apologies for the incident... It would have executed fine if I didn't clip the grass, this comes down to misjudgement/driver error. After all we are only human  :o

Simone your entitled to your opinion. Right or wrong I actually found amusing  ;D
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Wally on January 11, 2018, 10:26:07 PM
Thruxton - incident between the orange and white cars. What do you make of this one? Did the white car "shut the door" on the orange car, or should the orange car have anticipated the fast line towards the apex (also knowing that the blue car was somewhere to the left as well).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy_J9ovJxI0
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Joe on January 11, 2018, 10:36:26 PM
Looked like the orange car had enough overlap that the white one should have left some room, but was probably also looking at where the blue car was. Personally if I were the orange car in that situation I wouldn't have put it up the inside as I'd have deemed it too risky that many cars going through that fast turn.
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Freezer on January 11, 2018, 11:12:05 PM
Doubt the orange car would have made the corner at all from that tight line so should have lifted.
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Mael on January 11, 2018, 11:45:36 PM
Looked like the orange car had enough overlap that the white one should have left some room

Disagree, contact was made behind the white cars rear wheel, thus orange was not far enough alongside to have a right to the apex in my opinion,
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Godzilla on January 12, 2018, 12:03:51 AM
For a bit of clarity Wally can we please see camera 9 of that incident as I have the replay but no real means/knowledge to upload it.
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: grat on January 12, 2018, 12:15:45 AM
For a bit of clarity Wally can we please see camera 9 of that incident as I have the replay but no real means/knowledge to upload it.
For me, the best clarity is given by
1. straight from above Marty's style (use F5, it's enough);
2. onboards, to get a sense of what each driver could see.

Honestly: I think from Godzilla's point there was a chance and some overlap. He went for it. I probably wouldn't, but if it was a championship-deciding move.... why not? From my point I saw him on the mirror and thought he may have tried to get an overlap, but that probably he was too behind and too low on the line for that. Said otherwise: in the split-second of the decision, I did not feel like I had to give the apex and with hindsight I can see it was a very close call.  I think I could have done better and left a bit of space more (but not much more: I can give you another meter, but if you can't take the apex, then we crash anyway)---hence my apologies. But from a driver's standards thread point of view I call this tough racing with tough outcome for me. Nothing more.
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Joe on January 12, 2018, 12:28:45 AM
Looked like the orange car had enough overlap that the white one should have left some room

Disagree, contact was made behind the white cars rear wheel, thus orange was not far enough alongside to have a right to the apex in my opinion,

Guess I'm just basing that on how i drive. If i see any overlap i give room as id rather loose a place than crash and ruin a race.
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Godzilla on January 12, 2018, 12:44:35 AM
As I had better acceleration at the time and wasn’t braking for that corner the aim was to get side by side down the straight more then a pass through the fast right as grat had very good speed in general and didn’t think he was braking there either. I thought I had that inside line. There was a role reversal in race 3 where grat got a run on me at that same corner and race room was given, probably to much as I REALLY wanted to avoid contact. Watched the replay a heap of times now, was hard and at times very close racing, unfourtunate it ended the way it did as would have been an epic battle
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: grat on January 12, 2018, 01:05:47 AM
As I had better acceleration at the time and wasn’t braking for that corner the aim was to get side by side down the straight more then a pass through the fast right as grat had very good speed in general and didn’t think he was braking there either. I thought I had that inside line. There was a role reversal in race 3 where grat got a run on me at that same corner and race room was given, probably to much as I REALLY wanted to avoid contact. Watched the replay a heap of times now, was hard and at times very close racing, unfourtunate it ended the way it did as would have been an epic battle
It's all good, Godzilla. Both you and Mael are very good and fair, in my opinion, and we had some fun playing tough with each other. We touched on a fast corner and so there's no way everybody will get unharmed. But it was good racing (otherwise you would have heard my trademark "no, no, no.... come on!" on discord ;))
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Wally on January 12, 2018, 07:59:47 AM
It was a tough call. From my own perspective, I generally don't like to overtake on the inside of very fast corners because it seems to me that it's more difficult for the leading car to maintain high speed and give room on the outside. Carrying that speed, while being in front, is naturally going to draw you a little closer to the apex.
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: killagorilla on January 12, 2018, 08:57:00 AM
Thruxton - incident between the orange and white cars. What do you make of this one? Did the white car "shut the door" on the orange car, or should the orange car have anticipated the fast line towards the apex (also knowing that the blue car was somewhere to the left as well).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy_J9ovJxI0

Considering the ambitiousness of the orange car the there were two potential crash spots - entry and exit. By giving this thing a go it looks a bit it's the white car's fault, but thinking this manoeuvre through it would have been almost impossible to avoid a crash at the exit as the orange car had to go wide there and the white one would have been in the way. In this case a clear fault by the orange one.
So overall the orange one is the bad boy imo.
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Bird on January 12, 2018, 09:21:32 AM
IMO:
It's a fault of the orange car, for not being up far enough,  and not being able to judge looking at white car's movements that they're not fully aware of the situation at hand.  (The white car wobbles left & right a lot)
However, it's also a lack of situational awareness from white car.   Not at fault, but it's what it is, (by the looks).
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Mael on January 12, 2018, 02:10:24 PM
Watched the replay a heap of times now, was hard and at times very close racing, unfortunate it ended the way it did as would have been an epic battle

yeah it was not a "burn at the stake" event, and admittedly on that track almost very overtake were always going to have some risk. Going to be fun watching you managing risks as the season goes on since you right up there with a chance to win the season... cannot afford not to finish Godzilla  ;D
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: Godzilla on January 12, 2018, 03:48:14 PM
Watched the replay a heap of times now, was hard and at times very close racing, unfortunate it ended the way it did as would have been an epic battle

yeah it was not a "burn at the stake" event, and admittedly on that track almost very overtake were always going to have some risk. Going to be fun watching you managing risks as the season goes on since you right up there with a chance to win the season... cannot afford not to finish Godzilla  ;D

Honestly this race was a bit of a disaster for me overall. Started going bad when I binned two different quali laps either of which should have hit the 18’s and got worse from there. Will be interesting from here, have never driven this current track and maybe 10 laps at the highlands so will need a heap of practice to keep up. Okayama and Laguna should be better
Title: Re: The driving standards thread
Post by: buellersdayoff on March 26, 2018, 12:05:06 AM
https://youtu.be/WVN-Re_b4YI