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Title: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 07, 2018, 07:25:15 AM
Kcender starts the season as expected in the rocket ship at Daytona, claiming the season lead after the the first round, with a win, pole position, and fastest race lap.

RACE RESULTS (https://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2018/11/s25r1-imsa-gt-at-daytona-road-course.html)
SEASON STANDINGS (https://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2018/11/season-25-standings.html)
SEASON STATS (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nu52lWM6_TIRBEGCTF32BxLe8mobfsCFpd_wOeuxpXI/edit?usp=sharing)

Round Points
Kcender87   30
Keith   24
Grat   20
Mael   18
Matthew111   16
Phil.8   15
bradc   14
killagorilla   13
Joe   12
ab156   11
Freezer   10
AbleArcher83   9
RussG   8
Seanus   7
Wally   6
Rob   5
Doobs   4
Bacchulum   0
Bird   0
buellersdayoff   0
Jeremy   0
Mac87   0
Shayne   0
Simone   0

Congratulations to Kcender87 on taking out pole and the race win.

Penalties
Grat ran into the back of Keith on the opening lap, causing him to leave the track, and gets a 15 second post-race penalty in the next round.

Season Standings
1. Kcender87, 30
2. Keith, 24
3. Grat, 20


[TRACK (https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/daytona-2017.14277)]

A track for the Merc to stretch its legs!

This is (at least) a two-stopper race. Fuel multiplier is 2.3x. There is no pit window, and no restrictions on what you can do in a pitstop.

Change for Daytona: So that the Short Tails don't have to stop 3 times at this high speed track, the fuel multiplier will be 1.8x, and everybody has to pit twice (as some cars will be able to do it in 1 stop). You have to do something in the stop - add some fuel, change tyres, or both.

Qualifying is at 8:45pm Eastern Daylight Savings Time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlkUTyzy1dA
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: doobs on November 07, 2018, 10:29:39 AM
I think I might be missing this one. I'm going to Sydney for a spot of Hurling and won't be getting back into Brisbane AP until 8 EDST.
I'll see how I go.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 07, 2018, 10:32:09 AM
I think I might be missing this one. I'm going to Sydney for a spot of Hurling and won't be getting back into Brisbane AP until 8 EDST.
I'll see how I go.
Hurling, as in throwing trees around???
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 07, 2018, 09:11:35 PM
1:28 is the time to beat... but you have to cheat to do it ;)
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Mael on November 07, 2018, 10:49:13 PM
1:28 is the time to beat... but you have to cheat to do it ;)

Was just about to start panic  ;D
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: doobs on November 09, 2018, 01:26:53 AM
I think I might be missing this one. I'm going to Sydney for a spot of Hurling and won't be getting back into Brisbane AP until 8 EDST.
I'll see how I go.
Hurling, as in throwing trees around???
Hahahahaha Wally.

Nah, Hurling with the hurley and the sliotar and a bunch of madmen running around at 1 million miles an hour. There's a match for the Irish Festival on Sunday.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Freezer on November 09, 2018, 04:40:40 PM
Kcender is going to lap the Short Tail's twice on this track . . .  :o :-[
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Bird on November 09, 2018, 05:30:49 PM
Kcender is going to lap the Short Tail's twice on this track . . .  :o :-[
Hm...can we get a temporary removal of restrictors for this track, please?
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 09, 2018, 05:39:18 PM
Kcender is going to lap the Short Tail's twice on this track . . .  :o :-[
Hm...can we get a temporary removal of restrictors for this track, please?
Yeah...no.
All part of the strategic choice. This circuit is surely the one where the C9 has the greatest advantage. There will be other circuits where the Short Tail has the advantage.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: buellersdayoff on November 09, 2018, 11:14:14 PM
There's something wrong with the practice server time sheet, when you click on on Kcenders name it says "human driver"

http://52.63.217.129:50041/lapstat?currservers=acserver2
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: kcender87 on November 10, 2018, 12:26:35 PM
lol - its just the straight line power of the thing and that time was on softs which i expect to cook fairly fast

in other news - is the praccy server dead? - not showing in server list
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 10, 2018, 04:41:20 PM
in other news - is the praccy server dead? - not showing in server list
Fixed.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Bacchulum on November 10, 2018, 08:27:01 PM
I'm still quicker than you through the bus-stop chicane, kcender.
(just 8 seconds down everywhere else  :'( )
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Joe on November 10, 2018, 08:41:07 PM
The Mazda is way down on top end speed here. Not sure there is any way it could keep up with a C9 or longtail
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: kcender87 on November 10, 2018, 09:37:17 PM
I'm still quicker than you through the bus-stop chicane, kcender.
(just 8 seconds down everywhere else  :'( )

Lol that damn bus stop is a serious issue - firstly, the braking point arrives very quickly and I can barely see in the shadows in the rift, then the C9 has no front end downforce so you have to stop the thing turn in then go again :P then 800 horsepower comes and fixes everything - doing that for an hour will be interesting - and protecting the rear tyres....
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: grat on November 11, 2018, 09:51:08 AM
This track seems very demanding for my rig... I'm basically at 75/80fps. I hope it won't create issues at the start, with many cars around. For the rest, it is annoying but drivable.

As for the cars: I think I'll go with the long tail. It does not seem to have front wheels (maybe a small one? Like a plane?) and drives very ugly, but at least it goes when it's straight. I really wish I knew how to set it up. Short tail is magnificent, but too slow and I am scared of being in traffic after a pit stop.


Will confirm on other thread tonight.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: RussG on November 11, 2018, 04:15:28 PM
Only get 11 laps out of a full tank in the Short Tail ... either a 3 stopper or fuel saving and go even slower.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Freezer on November 11, 2018, 08:19:32 PM
Only get 11 laps out of a full tank in the Short Tail ... either a 3 stopper or fuel saving and go even slower.
We are five laps short, so that will be a huge amount of fuel saving to get 2 stops!!
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 11, 2018, 08:48:04 PM
Only get 11 laps out of a full tank in the Short Tail ... either a 3 stopper or fuel saving and go even slower.
We are five laps short, so that will be a huge amount of fuel saving to get 2 stops!!
Hmmm I tried to figure it out at a 2 stopper. How many laps are you assuming? Kcender won't be doing that soft tyre pace the whole race. I may yet have to drop the fuel multiplier, but then we'll be getting into territory where the merc & Mazda become 1 stoppers. I may have to look at shortening this race so the short tail can do it in 2 stops. Will keep you posted.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 11, 2018, 09:34:32 PM
OK, Daytona is a tricky track to balance fuel because of it's high speed, and the cars have very different fuel economies. The other two-stop races are easier to work out as 2 stoppers.

What I'm going to have to do here is make the fuel multiplier 1.8x, and make a rule that everybody has to pit twice (as some cars will be able to do it in 1 stop). You have to do something in the stop - add some fuel, change tyres, or both.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: kcender87 on November 11, 2018, 09:43:05 PM
OK, Daytona is a tricky track to balance fuel because of it's high speed, and the cars have very different fuel economies. The other two-stop races are easier to work out as 2 stoppers.

What I'm going to have to do here is make the fuel multiplier 1.8x, and make a rule that everybody has to pit twice (as some cars will be able to do it in 1 stop). You have to do something in the stop - add some fuel, change tyres, or both.

current strategy meet trash can :P
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Freezer on November 11, 2018, 09:43:18 PM
Only get 11 laps out of a full tank in the Short Tail ... either a 3 stopper or fuel saving and go even slower.
We are five laps short, so that will be a huge amount of fuel saving to get 2 stops!!
Hmmm I tried to figure it out at a 2 stopper. How many laps are you assuming? Kcender won't be doing that soft tyre pace the whole race. I may yet have to drop the fuel multiplier, but then we'll be getting into territory where the merc & Mazda become 1 stoppers. I may have to look at shortening this race so the short tail can do it in 2 stops. Will keep you posted.
Shorties are doing 9L/lap on a 99 litre tank (11 laps).  Estimating 38 laps race.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 11, 2018, 10:07:49 PM
OK, Daytona is a tricky track to balance fuel because of it's high speed, and the cars have very different fuel economies. The other two-stop races are easier to work out as 2 stoppers.

What I'm going to have to do here is make the fuel multiplier 1.8x, and make a rule that everybody has to pit twice (as some cars will be able to do it in 1 stop). You have to do something in the stop - add some fuel, change tyres, or both.

current strategy meet trash can :P
Yeah, sorry about the late change - I didn't want anyone to have to do 3 stops, of course.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Joe on November 12, 2018, 08:27:48 PM
How long is the race? 60 mins?

I just did a 25 min stint in the Mazda, medium tyres weren't up me much somewhere between 20 and 25 mins.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Phil.8 on November 12, 2018, 10:07:40 PM
How long is the race? 60 mins?

 medium tyres weren't up me much

Thank god
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 12, 2018, 10:08:54 PM
How long is the race? 60 mins?

I just did a 25 min stint in the Mazda, medium tyres weren't up me much somewhere between 20 and 25 mins.
Yep, 60 min + 1 lap.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: bradc on November 12, 2018, 10:30:23 PM
It could be a very interesting  race if it makes 38 laps as predicted as I’ve found tonight the long tail is going to only make 34 laps with 2 stops and that’s using 70% boost
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 13, 2018, 10:21:57 AM
It could be a very interesting  race if it makes 38 laps as predicted as I’ve found tonight the long tail is going to only make 34 laps with 2 stops and that’s using 70% boost
Even with the revised fuel multiplier of 1.8x???
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Mael on November 13, 2018, 11:01:21 AM
It could be a very interesting  race if it makes 38 laps as predicted as I’ve found tonight the long tail is going to only make 34 laps with 2 stops and that’s using 70% boost

I made 17 laps on a tank. So 1 stop should give you 34 laps, a 2 stopper adds another 17 laps to give a maximum 51 laps. Off course any Turbo use or damage may change the usage.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: bradc on November 13, 2018, 11:24:02 AM
Sorry, I forgot about starting the race with a full tank - doh  :o !
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 13, 2018, 11:29:58 AM
Sorry, I forgot about starting the race with a full tank - doh  :o !
Your pitstop strategy is going to be interesting ;)
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Mael on November 13, 2018, 12:52:05 PM
Sorry, I forgot about starting the race with a full tank - doh  :o !
Your pitstop strategy is going to be interesting ;)

First to T1 wins the race  ;D
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: ab156 on November 13, 2018, 05:05:23 PM
OK, Daytona is a tricky track to balance fuel because of it's high speed, and the cars have very different fuel economies. The other two-stop races are easier to work out as 2 stoppers.

What I'm going to have to do here is make the fuel multiplier 1.8x, and make a rule that everybody has to pit twice (as some cars will be able to do it in 1 stop). You have to do something in the stop - add some fuel, change tyres, or both.

I look forward to cutting out some of the corners on the tighter tracks to take away the short tail advantage  :P
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Bacchulum on November 13, 2018, 05:09:57 PM
You seen the track list ab?
What tighter tracks? :P
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: ab156 on November 13, 2018, 05:23:25 PM
Sure have.  A season of 2 halves. Should be fun.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Joe on November 13, 2018, 05:26:09 PM
i do hope others tracks make a difference with these cars. joining tonight knowing I have zero chance of keeping up with a c9 or long tail does seem a little pointless
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Bacchulum on November 13, 2018, 05:39:54 PM
i do hope others tracks make a difference with these cars. joining tonight knowing I have zero chance of keeping up with a c9 or long tail does seem a little pointless
A bit like 70% of the F1 field. ;)
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 13, 2018, 06:16:46 PM
i do hope others tracks make a difference with these cars. joining tonight knowing I have zero chance of keeping up with a c9 or long tail does seem a little pointless
Tonight is really the odd one out. They are all tracks from the real season though ('86).

And... Server's up.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Mael on November 13, 2018, 06:25:45 PM
i do hope others tracks make a difference with these cars. joining tonight knowing I have zero chance of keeping up with a c9 or long tail does seem a little pointless

And sometimes its about beating teams/cars with similar speeds, and not necessarily for the win. But saying that even in the disadvantaged cars if you stay out of trouble and finish with a live gearbox you will be at the pointy end of the field  ;D
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Freezer on November 13, 2018, 10:30:09 PM
i do hope others tracks make a difference with these cars. joining tonight knowing I have zero chance of keeping up with a c9 or long tail does seem a little pointless
Tonight is really the odd one out. They are all tracks from the real season though ('86).

And... Server's up.
Got belted on the big straights in the shorty, but was getting properly held up in the tight stuff so looking forward to the twisty tracks. :)
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: kcender87 on November 13, 2018, 11:02:20 PM
Good fun but my arms are mush from holding on through that banking :P

managed to soft soft soft the stints (just) and kept the shed straight. From the times in traffic on the road section I think the more traditional tracks later in the season should be really interesting racing :)
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 13, 2018, 11:07:47 PM
Results are up in the first post.
I have adjusted my final position up by 2 places (finishing 34 laps instead of 32). I lost two laps on two separate occasions when I spun at the bus stop onto the grass, which somehow failed to register as a lap both times, thinking I had done a single 3:50 lap instead of two individual laps. I checked everyone else's lap times, and I couldn't find any other dropped laps - let me know if you think something was fishy with your position as well.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: grat on November 13, 2018, 11:13:36 PM
[Penalties
Grat ran into the back of Keith on the opening lap, causing him to leave the track, and gets a 15 second post-race penalty in the next round.
Wally: I take your judgement. But if the rule is stay on your side for 1st 2 corners, then I am the only one who did that and the only one who got cut out and.... penalized(!?!?!)
Since it is not the first time it happens to me, I'll make sure I'll stop respecting this rule from now on and zig-zag right and left like those I crashed with ;)

I am half-joking, but not completely: I kept wide the whole first corner and tight the whole second corner. When we touch I am there, on the inside curb. Keith and Jeremy go long and wide and then cut back to the inside without looking if there is somebody there. What was I supposed to do?
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 13, 2018, 11:30:14 PM
I just watched again, and in my judgement, the penalty stands. You came from a fair way back behind Keith, who was on the racing line past the apex by that stage (and not zig-zagging by any stretch of the imagination!), and you put the power down from the apex and ran into the back corner of Keith. The side by side rule for the opening corners is primarily to stop people from moving sideways across the track into the unsighted car next to them. You had plenty of visibility of where Keith was and what he was doing, and you could also argue that where you hit was turn 4, not 2 ;)
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 13, 2018, 11:32:30 PM
Also, notice that I'm going to do opening lap penalties as a 15 second post-race time penalty for the next round instead of ballast. It's just too hard to find a fair amount of ballast for each of the 4 cars that fairly penalises them all.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Mael on November 14, 2018, 12:15:49 AM
Just me or were the Merc fuel fill pipe a bit oversized?
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: grat on November 14, 2018, 07:13:11 AM
I just watched again, and in my judgement, the penalty stands. You came from a fair way back behind Keith, who was on the racing line past the apex by that stage (and not zig-zagging by any stretch of the imagination!), and you put the power down from the apex and ran into the back corner of Keith. The side by side rule for the opening corners is primarily to stop people from moving sideways across the track into the unsighted car next to them. You had plenty of visibility of where Keith was and what he was doing, and you could also argue that where you hit was turn 4, not 2 ;)
:)

Also, notice that I'm going to do opening lap penalties as a 15 second post-race time penalty for the next round instead of ballast. It's just too hard to find a fair amount of ballast for each of the 4 cars that fairly penalises them all.
:) (or grid penalties, F1 style ;))
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Bird on November 14, 2018, 07:31:14 AM
That would have been a boring, but ok race.   I was hotlapping pretty much the whole time.  Except when some 15 minutes to go got taken out by a UFO.  Fuck kunos, truly, for not being able to fix the netcode after years and years of this thing out on the market.

Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 14, 2018, 07:55:39 AM
Pretty $#&#$#& race for me. After going 1 then 2 laps down because of a track bug I was showing last and ended up having no idea what position I was really in, getting blue flagged for everyone behind me. It ended up being pretty lonely anyway, except for waving to the cars that were lapping me.

Sorry for getting in the way of a Merc at some stage in the first sequence of turns (Seanus, maybe). I just didn't realise a couple of Mercs were behind me.

I had far too many spins, at turn 1 and the bus stop. I have to try to make the setup more consistent for Sebring.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: killagorilla on November 14, 2018, 09:36:53 AM
Was a fun race for me. It's more because I like the track, competition was a bit rare. I think I haven't seen a single short tail during the race and the LT's and Merc's were racing in their own leagues. However, there was a bit close racing with Phil, which was good.
Lighting conditions in quali have made it very hard for me to see the chicane on the back straight...first time I went through there I just couldn't see this fucker...was blind and that had an effect on my braking of course. Someone ran into me and that caused a bit of a mess there.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Freezer on November 14, 2018, 10:00:57 AM
Given the speed differences the race worked out pretty well for me.  I had a goal of top 10 hoping that the fast cars would spin off/have issues . . and a few did.
I found myself around a few long tails in the first half of the race which was tricky as they were quicker in the straights but would hold me up in the bends.
I had Russg pretty close behind for most of the race, I could pull a bit of a gap but he kept reappearing after the stops which was confusing, but I later realised
i had taken a bit extra fuel than necessary.  Short Tail was rock solid consistent, and I'm pretty confident now that on tighter tracks it will be strong competitor.
Finished 11th and team mate Mael in 4th for a good season start for Maki Engineering :)

Note: Interesting to see how long it took to fuel, almost had time to go get a drink!!
Update: I see the Porsches/Mazda refill 50L in 30 sec, whereas the Merc does it in 11.  Big difference!
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: doobs on November 14, 2018, 10:07:28 AM
I joined the server just as qualifying finished with no practice, no laps, no Daytona setup and I chose to use the one that worked well at Spa.......It did not here, and the race went as expected. I'm looking forward to the next race when I can get some practice.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Joe on November 14, 2018, 11:08:29 AM
First 15-20 mins were okay with some position swapping with Freezer but after my first stop I was pretty much alone for the rest of the race. Time to fuel will definitely need to come into strategy for the future races. Before my last stop I was catching Phil by a second a lap and only 5 seconds behind him, but because he put in a lot less fuel than me on his final stop he finished 30+ secs ahead.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: killagorilla on November 14, 2018, 12:18:18 PM

Note: Interesting to see how long it took to fuel, almost had time to go get a drink!!
Update: I see the Porsches/Mazda refill 50L in 30 sec, whereas the Merc does it in 11.  Big difference!

I wasn't aware of that. It seems there's no chance of compensating that drawback...doesn't matter what track you're on. How do you want to make up 40-60 sec a race on track on a Merc on a 2-stopper? I filled up 71l twice during this race...that's almost a minute lost. Stupid me.
Smart choice for the guys picking the C9...congrats :-)
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Freezer on November 14, 2018, 12:22:00 PM
First 15-20 mins were okay with some position swapping with Freezer but after my first stop I was pretty much alone for the rest of the race. Time to fuel will definitely need to come into strategy for the future races. Before my last stop I was catching Phil by a second a lap and only 5 seconds behind him, but because he put in a lot less fuel than me on his final stop he finished 30+ secs ahead.
I just manually time those stops to check, but that means 38sec difference per 100L tank.  Not sure about fuel consumption differences which may or may not bring the Merc back to us.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Mael on November 14, 2018, 12:33:12 PM
First 15-20 mins were okay with some position swapping with Freezer but after my first stop I was pretty much alone for the rest of the race. Time to fuel will definitely need to come into strategy for the future races. Before my last stop I was catching Phil by a second a lap and only 5 seconds behind him, but because he put in a lot less fuel than me on his final stop he finished 30+ secs ahead.
I just manually time those stops to check, but that means 38sec difference per 100L tank.  Not sure about fuel consumption differences which may or may not bring the Merc back to us.

I hope the tricky handling may bring the Merc back to us on other tracks. Daytona did not really have any difficult corners to test the handling. Even the chicane was pretty tame.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Bird on November 14, 2018, 12:48:09 PM
Well, I'd say the odds are stacked against the short tail more than one way now;  grunt, fuel consumption & refill time.   
The only thing it has is handling, which is nice, but I don't think it'll be anywhere close to competitive with all the above.  Oh well.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Phil.8 on November 14, 2018, 01:03:00 PM
Just treat it as fun runs like I am, Kcender has already won the season, but will have some lonely hot lapping races, where as the rest of us will have some fun close racing as the season goes on if last night is anything to go by
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Mael on November 14, 2018, 01:13:58 PM
Just treat it as fun runs like I am, Kcender has already won the season, but will have some lonely hot lapping races, where as the rest of us will have some fun close racing as the season goes on if last night is anything to go by

Won't go that far, besides if Kcender wins by 60s again he might find a rather overweight passenger courtesy of Wally.  ;D
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Bird on November 14, 2018, 01:18:23 PM
Just treat it as fun runs like I am, Kcender has already won the season, but will have some lonely hot lapping races, where as the rest of us will have some fun close racing as the season goes on if last night is anything to go by
I did not expect to win, nor even be near to the podium after such a long break and with minimal praccy, nevermind that :)
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: RussG on November 14, 2018, 01:38:58 PM
I had a fun time chasing Freezer almost the whole race. He went on Softs and I went Mediums. It was like the invisible elastic band between us. The gap would grow a bit and shrink a bit but neither of us made any great impression on the other. As Freezer said, I made up time on the pit stops. Don't know how I made up any on the first stop as I stopped with less than a lap of fuel left and brimmed it up to 99L again. I went 99L, 99L, 73L. I don't know the actual refuel time, but I know that putting in 99L takes 40 secs longer than changing tires - so long pit stops.
After the second pit stop I surprised Freezer by being beside him as he came out of the pits and snuck past at the first hairpin. My joy was shortlived as he stayed close and got me at T1 after a great slipstream.
Then Able Archer wound up joining us and making it a 3 way battle which was interesting as he had the Merc power on the straights. Coming on to the banking I went to go around the outside of AA as he was really slow there, but I touched his right rear corner spinning him - sorry mate. I was surprised as I would have sworn I was missing him. A few laps later did the same move but got around OK, then in my rush to get the power down I spun up the rears and came back across into AA's path and we crashed - sorry again. My car smashed into the wall and broke suspension and aero. Thank god it was the last lap and I limped home without losing any places.

As others have said, I am pessimistic about the Short Tails chances of making an impression, but it's great to drive so we'll see how it pans out later in the season.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: ab156 on November 14, 2018, 02:57:58 PM
I messed up by starting the race on qualifying fuel.  A bit of a shock when I got the “we’ve used half the fuel” call as I crossed the S/F for the 2nd time.  Put to bed all my stop minimisation strategy as I now had to endure 2 99L stops AND try and conserve a bit.

I did enjoy the racing in general although the blue flags for most of the race were a bit tedious.  Because I went a lap down early due to the stop I felt a bit like Ocon at points.  Luckily the LT was able to round up most of the cars on the back straight.

It will be interesting to see how the season pans out.  Next week may not give a final picture but should be a bit more competitive for the field.  Closing speeds and slowness in corners will no doubt be a topic of discussion.  Daytona was ok as the C9 and LT could close massive ground and build a big gap before the twisty bits, maybe not so clear cut at Sebring.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: bradc on November 14, 2018, 04:14:21 PM
...I did enjoy the racing in general although the blue flags for most of the race were a bit tedious....

I wonder if there is a setting somewhere where this can be addressed. I actually found that blue flags came on way too early (when being lapped) and it was time consuming trying to work out which car was about to lap you with a competator following right behind. However, when I was the lapping car I also found some people were bloody slow to acknowledge and know several times I lost a lot of ground to the car chasing me because I was slowed by a Sauber which would blow me away down the straights, but slow me down in the corners....
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: killagorilla on November 14, 2018, 07:08:00 PM
I don't know if there's someone picking the Merc who's made his decision based on the quicker refueling times, but if not and they don't have a problem with it, it may be a good thing to adjust that and make the refueling speed the same, if it's possible at all. What's happening there with filling them up is just ridiculous.
I wouldn't be surprised if most or even all Merc drivers weren't aware of that when making their choices. I didn't check that anyway.
So in this case adjusting it in order to get at least a little bit of a level playing field would make the series a bit more interesting...whatever, I can see it as a fun run kind of thing as well, no probs.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 14, 2018, 08:34:37 PM
I don't know if there's someone picking the Merc who's made his decision based on the quicker refueling times, but if not and they don't have a problem with it, it may be a good thing to adjust that and make the refueling speed the same, if it's possible at all. What's happening there with filling them up is just ridiculous.
I wouldn't be surprised if most or even all Merc drivers weren't aware of that when making their choices. I didn't check that anyway.
So in this case adjusting it in order to get at least a little bit of a level playing field would make the series a bit more interesting...whatever, I can see it as a fun run kind of thing as well, no probs.
What I might do, if people think one cars sucks or what not (although you can't judge after one atypical circuit), is allow people to switch cars at the season half way point, at the cost of say 5 championship points.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Simone on November 14, 2018, 10:33:52 PM
I must stop drinking vino during dinner and through practice and qual....at the moment its out of hand....
See you at Sebring....Sebring,Daytona,all Iracing tracks   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hey Istvan how r you?  All good? 
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: killagorilla on November 14, 2018, 10:34:16 PM
Yeah, we'll see how this turns out. It seems to be a minute especially the shorties lose per race on the C9's on a 2-stopper just because of that.
We are a little bit better off as we don't need as much fuel as the guys in the short tails...and I don't have any hopes to win this anyway  :)
I understand you've tried all the tracks (I only know a few) so you can assess this better than me.
Unfortunately I really struggled with the turbos so I'm still happy with my choice anyway.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Freezer on November 14, 2018, 10:53:19 PM
I'm still happy with the Shorty, hoping it shines on other tracks.  Rather than swapping, I prefer to give some restrictor back to the shorties and restrict the C9 . . . if it continues to be unbalanced!

Update: Doing a bit more math, at Daytona the C9 effectively gained two seconds per lap (2 stops at 38 sec gain each/ 38 lap race) thanks to the fill time difference.  Therefore if it was restricted enough to negate that then problem solved. . . . I think!
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: bradc on November 14, 2018, 11:05:54 PM
I don't know if there's someone picking the Merc who's made his decision based on the quicker refueling times, but if not and they don't have a problem with it, it may be a good thing to adjust that and make the refueling speed the same, if it's possible at all. What's happening there with filling them up is just ridiculous......

Spot on, I must admit I expected to see myself get closer to the C9 I was chasing when it came to Pitstop’s as I knew I was going to need lesss fuel but this explains why that never happened. I can’t imagine anyone knowing this prior to racing and hopefully there is somewhere where the clever people can manipulate this bug as to be fair to everyone because regardless of the consumption the cars should be fueled up at the same rate of Ltrs/sec.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 15, 2018, 07:43:32 AM
I will experiment a bit and see if a little bit of restrictor on the C9 can compensate for the quicker refuelling time. But man, it's a delicate balancing act. Who's fool idea was it to have a multi-make season?
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: grat on November 15, 2018, 08:17:47 AM
I will experiment a bit and see if a little bit of restrictor on the C9 can compensate for the quicker refuelling time. But man, it's a delicate balancing act. Who's fool idea was it to have a multi-make season?
Ahahahaha!!! To be honest, Wally, I am pretty much in favour of simple, single make series, if you ask me. But I also don't care: it was fun like it was and we can keep going exactly like this for a season.

Race recap:
After a little messy start (see penalty) I went for a long run on my hard tires. All good, with Seanus gifting me a place when he went long on T1 towards minute 50.
Towards the 35 minutes mark I was following Jeremy and Matthew on same machine, but who were on worn out soft and medium tires. Could not pass, so I pit to undercut them on fresh tires. It worked very well. At the 15 minutes mark I was following Keith on a C9. I was marginally faster on the lap (it seemed, since I gained a few seconds in the past few laps) but had no chance to attack a C9. So, again, I went for the undercut. Put on some mediums (which were the option for me, so to speak) and did 3 laps pushing the turbo to 100% in the straights and 90% on some other bits of the circuit. I was so sure of my strategy. I thought: he has no chance, the poor man.... I never saw Keith anymore ;) I was sure: he's goign to pit at some point. He'll have to. Little I knew he had pitted already. It was confusing, but who cares. It's for fun.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Joe on November 15, 2018, 08:27:32 AM
but who cares. It's for fun.

Are you the same Grat?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Bird on November 15, 2018, 08:34:46 AM
I must stop drinking vino during dinner and through practice and qual....at the moment its out of hand....
See you at Sebring....Sebring,Daytona,all Iracing tracks   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hey Istvan how r you?  All good? 

I'm jolly fine, thanks, how about you?  I usually drink beer during the praccy period to calm my nerves; I've found it improves my driving. :)

Wally; I love the mulit-makes, I always did.  Everyone can drive something that suits their style.   But I guess in GTL the cars were set, all we had to do is select a bunch of varied tracks, then we did the rental sys, which only needed to be balanced once.  Here, the issue is a bit trickier, too many variables.   But you're doing a helluva job there.   

I'll be honest, I'd have chosen a faster car (longtail, most like), but I simply can't expect to keep it on the road as is, and I do not want to become a public menace.   I'm very rusty & struggling even with the short tail.

Btw did I give you a tap just before T1 in this race?   I kinda missed the clue that T1 is coming up and was surprised by your quick direction change & braking.  I've subsequently stomped on the brakes and not sure if I kissed your arse or not...
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: grat on November 15, 2018, 08:48:11 AM
but who cares. It's for fun.

Are you the same Grat?  ;D ;D
Ahahah!

I love to argue, Joe. But in the end I just like to have a good race. I don't like when it all becomes a matter of luck or messy crashes (and often it does) and I do not like when we make so many artificaial rules that ruin the driving experience (like huge ballasts on single seaters). But as long as I can feel like I am racing, I am ok. So Tuesday night it was fun: I felt I knew what I was doing, I knew consistency and rhythm was the key, and had a pair of close and tough exchanges with Jeremy, but without consequences. It was fun to think "hell, I am going to pit early and do 3 hotlaps, so I get him". That's the important part. The fact it did not work because the C9 runs on plutonium... well, I could not predict that, so it was fun.

Sure: next race it may be less fun, as if I am fighting with a C9 I am not going to try to undercut/overcut/pass it. I'll just hope it crashes ;)
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Joe on November 15, 2018, 08:49:56 AM
Maybe we can add a new rule; if you're being lapped by a C9 (especially kcender), you're allowed to try and take that car out?  ;D
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: grat on November 15, 2018, 08:55:15 AM
Maybe we can add a new rule; if you're being lapped by a C9 (especially kcender), you're allowed to try and take that car out?  ;D
That'd work. But a 20 seconds penalty in the pits after the end of refuelling seems easier. They do this in many series: minimum pit stop time. Of course, it requires gentlemen agreement: you stop, you end refuelling, then look at the counter on top of your monitor and count to 20 before you go.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: GzeroD on November 15, 2018, 10:06:58 AM
I will experiment a bit and see if a little bit of restrictor on the C9 can compensate for the quicker refuelling time. But man, it's a delicate balancing act. Who's fool idea was it to have a multi-make season?
As for the delayed Group C season please take a look here (http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=1861.msg45144#msg45144).
Thanks Seanus, but for simplicity's sake and to avoid choice overload, I'd stick to original AC cars.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 15, 2018, 11:34:16 AM
I can handle one little restrictor tweak ;)
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Mael on November 15, 2018, 12:39:52 PM
Maybe we can add a new rule; if you're being lapped by a C9 (especially kcender), you're allowed to try and take that car out?  ;D
That'd work. But a 20 seconds penalty in the pits after the end of refuelling seems easier. They do this in many series: minimum pit stop time. Of course, it requires gentlemen agreement: you stop, you end refuelling, then look at the counter on top of your monitor and count to 20 before you go.

Easier to mandate an additional drive through penalty for a certain alien.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Freezer on November 15, 2018, 02:15:08 PM
Looking at early lap times for next week Mael and I are very close Long v Short and Mazda's a bit slower.  Which is a fair bit different to last week. 
No C9's have made an appearance yet!
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: kcender87 on November 15, 2018, 02:41:44 PM
I think Sebring and Atlanta should see advantage long tails if anything  -  at Daytona everything was driving away from me on the infield and I was forced to dial up 100% boost to do the overtakes on the straight then wind it back afterwards - I was on soft the whole time too as the oval didnt seem to harm them much - they were worth a good second a lap or so in testing so when the C9s have to run meds at the tighter tracks to stop cooking the rears on power we should see closer times.

Also im away till Riverside so will need all the help i can get second half of the season especially with Laguna Seca in there :S  see everyone then!
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Bacchulum on November 15, 2018, 03:42:34 PM
Maybe we can add a new rule; if you're being lapped by a C9 (especially kcender), you're allowed to try and take that car out?  ;D
An Ocon clause? :P
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Mael on November 15, 2018, 03:54:46 PM
Also im away till Riverside so will need all the help i can get second half of the season especially with Laguna Seca in there :S  see everyone then!

I'm going to enjoy seeing the Merc attempt the corkscrew  ;D
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: kcender87 on November 15, 2018, 04:17:59 PM
Also im away till Riverside so will need all the help i can get second half of the season especially with Laguna Seca in there :S  see everyone then!

I'm going to enjoy seeing the Merc attempt the corkscrew  ;D

Actual footage below

(https://i.imgur.com/8nVdfbE.gif)

Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: RussG on November 15, 2018, 04:52:37 PM
Maybe we can add a new rule; if you're being lapped by a C9 (especially kcender), you're allowed to try and take that car out?  ;D
An Ocon clause? :P
Bahahahahahahahahah
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: ab156 on November 15, 2018, 06:32:35 PM
I will experiment a bit and see if a little bit of restrictor on the C9 can compensate for the quicker refuelling time. But man, it's a delicate balancing act. Who's fool idea was it to have a multi-make season?

I think we should be careful trying to adjust too much.  As it is there is a fairly good distribution of cars, you are always competing for your "class" victory.

The re-fueling is the only major issue.  Would be good if on of the resident gurus could figure out how to add a 30sec timed penalty at the stop or adjust the flow rate.



Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 15, 2018, 06:40:14 PM
I will experiment a bit and see if a little bit of restrictor on the C9 can compensate for the quicker refuelling time. But man, it's a delicate balancing act. Who's fool idea was it to have a multi-make season?

I think we should be careful trying to adjust too much.  As it is there is a fairly good distribution of cars, you are always competing for your "class" victory.

The re-fueling is the only major issue.  Would be good if on of the resident gurus could figure out how to add a 30sec timed penalty at the stop or adjust the flow rate.
A tiny bit of restrictor is easier. No one has to download anything, which is always a blessing, trust me. Restrictor has a greater effect on high revs I. E top speed, and I reckon it will only have to be a tiny bit of restrictor to compensate for a quicker stop over a whole hour race.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: bradc on November 15, 2018, 07:38:59 PM
The re-fueling is the only major issue.  Would be good if on of the resident gurus could figure out how to add a 30sec timed penalty at the stop or adjust the flow rate.

What a great idea....or could if that is a difficult task, can we just trust the C9 drivers to sit in the pits for a specified stationary time, knowing that it can be checked in the replays and post race pentalities issued if this is not served?
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: ab156 on November 15, 2018, 07:48:18 PM
I will experiment a bit and see if a little bit of restrictor on the C9 can compensate for the quicker refuelling time. But man, it's a delicate balancing act. Who's fool idea was it to have a multi-make season?

I think we should be careful trying to adjust too much.  As it is there is a fairly good distribution of cars, you are always competing for your "class" victory.

The re-fueling is the only major issue.  Would be good if on of the resident gurus could figure out how to add a 30sec timed penalty at the stop or adjust the flow rate.
A tiny bit of restrictor is easier. No one has to download anything, which is always a blessing, trust me. Restrictor has a greater effect on high revs I. E top speed, and I reckon it will only have to be a tiny bit of restrictor to compensate for a quicker stop over a whole hour race.

yeahbut :) that will mean the C9 will have to be slower than all the other cars by ~30 seconds a stint and then make up the time in the pits (unless I am clueless.... actually...). Que the C9 guys leaving once it isn't the faster / most challenging car.

Off to to better things.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: grat on November 15, 2018, 08:09:19 PM
I am with the pit-penalty guys, Wally. It makes no sense to give a restrictor to make the C9 lose 20 seconds each stint (2 seconds per lap?) and then regain it in the pits. Much more sensible to equalize the pit stops and let the race be among cars that go at similar-ish speed.

If not possible, then let's leave it as it is.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: killagorilla on November 15, 2018, 09:19:37 PM
Seems like AC fails miserably as a sim in this case :-) I can't believe it reflects what's happening in the real world. Not sure if I got that right, but based on Wally's response slowing down refueling speed is not possible. The problem is, if you lose let's say 50s in the pits it will set you back a lot more just because you have to make your way through the field overtaking others in order to get back to the rear bumper of the C9 you were chasing before you went into the pits. No idea what factor you can apply there...it's very individual, but it's probably not unrealistic to say that there can be cases where the 50s increase significantly just because you get stuck in traffic.
I still think these series with multiple cars to choose from are good now and again and make things more interesting...will never be perfect.
Working out a restrictor to compensate for that must be extremely difficult, it just doesn't get to the actual problem.
Ok, this is a joke...easy fix - we just let the C9's start the race 40s...50s...60s later than all others  ;D
I'm pretty relaxed about this...will stick with the Mazda. Just think it's poor what AC has done there.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 15, 2018, 10:10:23 PM
Seems like AC fails miserably as a sim in this case :-) I can't believe it reflects what's happening in the real world. Not sure if I got that right, but based on Wally's response slowing down refueling speed is not possible. The problem is, if you lose let's say 50s in the pits it will set you back a lot more just because you have to make your way through the field overtaking others in order to get back to the rear bumper of the C9 you were chasing before you went into the pits. No idea what factor you can apply there...it's very individual, but it's probably not unrealistic to say that there can be cases where the 50s increase significantly just because you get stuck in traffic.
I still think these series with multiple cars to choose from are good now and again and make things more interesting...will never be perfect.
Working out a restrictor to compensate for that must be extremely difficult, it just doesn't get to the actual problem.
Ok, this is a joke...easy fix - we just let the C9's start the race 40s...50s...60s later than all others  ;D
I'm pretty relaxed about this...will stick with the Mazda. Just think it's poor what AC has done there.
Well, to be fair, who's to say that's not what the cars were like in real life? The C9 is the LeMans version - maybe that car refuelled a lot quicker. Who knows?
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 15, 2018, 10:34:10 PM
You know what? It's all too hard. Each car has a different fuel economy, so needs a differing amount of fuel for the whole race, which already means that each car has to spend a different amount of times in pits. On top of that, each car already has strengths and weaknesses at different tracks.

So I think the fairest approach will be that anyone who wants to change into another car at the halfway point of the season, can. If someone feels like they've been hard done by, by their pitstop time, they can change into another car (and "pay" 5 championship points for the privilege). You might be trading off pitstop time for something else like ease of driving, handling etc... the choice and the gamble is yours.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: GzeroD on November 15, 2018, 10:45:22 PM
Just set the fuel multiplier to one or off and have compulsory pitstops for tyres only.

Screw that, Kcender ran soft soft soft anyway so just leave pitstops out of the equation altogether.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: RussG on November 15, 2018, 10:52:34 PM
I'm happy to leave the cars as they are ... but looks like the Short Tail will need 3 stops at Sebring.
I'm using 9.68L per lap. I'm calculating I will need minimum 305L to finish. Full tank = 99L, so 3 stopper or fuel saving.
As ab said, the main thing in this series is really about your class. All I'm aiming for is to be at the pointy end of the Short Tails. It's just fun to drive  :D
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Freezer on November 15, 2018, 11:07:36 PM
I'm happy to leave the cars as they are ... but looks like the Short Tail will need 3 stops at Sebring.
I'm using 9.68L per lap. I'm calculating I will need minimum 305L to finish. Full tank = 99L, so 3 stopper or fuel saving.
As ab said, the main thing in this series is really about your class. All I'm aiming for is to be at the pointy end of the Short Tails. It's just fun to drive  :D
Happy to leave it also!  Just did a few laps the the C9 is a huge handful to drive . . so you can have it!  :)
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Mael on November 16, 2018, 12:29:24 AM
I'm happy to leave the cars as they are ... but looks like the Short Tail will need 3 stops at Sebring.
I'm using 9.68L per lap. I'm calculating I will need minimum 305L to finish. Full tank = 99L, so 3 stopper or fuel saving.
As ab said, the main thing in this series is really about your class. All I'm aiming for is to be at the pointy end of the Short Tails. It's just fun to drive  :D
Happy to leave it also!  Just did a few laps the the C9 is a huge handful to drive . . so you can have it!  :)

Ok going with Freezer on this, the Merc guys took a gamble on the most difficult car to drive. If it pays off then good on them  :)
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 16, 2018, 07:41:58 AM
I'm happy to leave the cars as they are ... but looks like the Short Tail will need 3 stops at Sebring.
I'm using 9.68L per lap. I'm calculating I will need minimum 305L to finish. Full tank = 99L, so 3 stopper or fuel saving.
As ab said, the main thing in this series is really about your class. All I'm aiming for is to be at the pointy end of the Short Tails. It's just fun to drive  :D
That's interesting, in my own testing I was using 8.7l per lap. Have you changed the gearing much from default?
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Ablearcher83 on November 16, 2018, 07:55:00 AM
I'm happy to leave the cars as they are ... but looks like the Short Tail will need 3 stops at Sebring.
I'm using 9.68L per lap. I'm calculating I will need minimum 305L to finish. Full tank = 99L, so 3 stopper or fuel saving.
As ab said, the main thing in this series is really about your class. All I'm aiming for is to be at the pointy end of the Short Tails. It's just fun to drive  :D
Happy to leave it also!  Just did a few laps the the C9 is a huge handful to drive . . so you can have it!  :)

I went with the C9 because it was a hand full, I'm hoping to learn a few things!

The shortail  is on rails, puts down its power with no fuss, 100% @ apex sure no problem. Stops staight and true.
The longtail is almost on rails, puts down its power with no fuss unless your in second and mash the go pedal. Stops straight and true.
The Wankelx4 is on rails, puts down its power with out fuss unless your in the upper rev range. Stops straight and true. Has great bug eye mirrors.
The C9 goes like Drunken Monkey Sex! in a straight line. Is on ice throught the corners, putting down power is like disarming a nuke, and then needs an extra 50-100m to pull up. You also have to deal with s/l tails and wankels running up the back due to early brake marker.

It will make for a intersting season.

Also Put Kcender in Model T and he would still be running rings aroung me.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 16, 2018, 07:59:03 AM
OK, I've made the fuel multiplier 1.5x. I like the fuel multiplier, as opposed to just leaving it 1x, as it mixes up the pit windows that each car has, so you don't get everyone pitting at the same time, and also gives the more economical but harder to drive cars more pitstop flexibility.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: killagorilla on November 16, 2018, 08:14:34 AM
Just set the fuel multiplier to one or off and have compulsory pitstops for tyres only.

Screw that, Kcender ran soft soft soft anyway so just leave pitstops out of the equation altogether.

That's actually a great idea...just take fuel out of the equation by reducing the multiplier. We just change tyres and it's all good :-)
Btw I ran all 3 stints on soft's as well. Had a very tidy race...no accidents and got lapped.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Bird on November 16, 2018, 08:46:42 AM
Well in hindsight I think any car could do it on softs, 20 minutes on softs is not a big ask w/o the tyre wear multiplied as well IMO.

Btw, have you seen GzeroD's post in the other thread?  I think he points to the cause of the fuel fill, and the potential simple fix (and if I read it right, it's in the car file?)
http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=2407.msg47029#msg47029
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: RussG on November 16, 2018, 08:58:30 AM
I'm happy to leave the cars as they are ... but looks like the Short Tail will need 3 stops at Sebring.
I'm using 9.68L per lap. I'm calculating I will need minimum 305L to finish. Full tank = 99L, so 3 stopper or fuel saving.
As ab said, the main thing in this series is really about your class. All I'm aiming for is to be at the pointy end of the Short Tails. It's just fun to drive  :D
That's interesting, in my own testing I was using 8.7l per lap. Have you changed the gearing much from default?
Had to change the gearing quite a bit. With default it never got out of 4th. I also find for some reason I usually use a bit more fuel than other people. Would like to hear from other Short Tail pilots.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 16, 2018, 09:21:39 AM
I'm happy to leave the cars as they are ... but looks like the Short Tail will need 3 stops at Sebring.
I'm using 9.68L per lap. I'm calculating I will need minimum 305L to finish. Full tank = 99L, so 3 stopper or fuel saving.
As ab said, the main thing in this series is really about your class. All I'm aiming for is to be at the pointy end of the Short Tails. It's just fun to drive  :D
Happy to leave it also!  Just did a few laps the the C9 is a huge handful to drive . . so you can have it!  :)

I went with the C9 because it was a hand full, I'm hoping to learn a few things!

The shortail  is on rails, puts down its power with no fuss, 100% @ apex sure no problem. Stops staight and true.
The longtail is almost on rails, puts down its power with no fuss unless your in second and mash the go pedal. Stops straight and true.
The Wankelx4 is on rails, puts down its power with out fuss unless your in the upper rev range. Stops straight and true. Has great bug eye mirrors.
The C9 goes like Drunken Monkey Sex! in a straight line. Is on ice throught the corners, putting down power is like disarming a nuke, and then needs an extra 50-100m to pull up. You also have to deal with s/l tails and wankels running up the back due to early brake marker.

It will make for a intersting season.

Also Put Kcender in Model T and he would still be running rings aroung me.
Ha ha, good summary of the cars :)

@Bird, that means modding encrypted KS content, more downloads, checksum errors, cars all blandly the same... fuggedaboutit.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Bird on November 16, 2018, 09:22:01 AM
Had to change the gearing quite a bit. With default it never got out of 4th. I also find for some reason I usually use a bit more fuel than other people. Would like to hear from other Short Tail pilots.

Interesting, I've shortened the gears, too, but more for better usability of 3rd on some corners.  I did get out of 4th on the straights, although not much.   However, I do not remember my fuel usage exactly.  I think I got close to 10 laps out of a tank.

Wally:
That's OK, Wally, I wasn't sure what it really is :)
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Matthew111 on November 16, 2018, 04:11:07 PM
I was having a great time managing tyres and fuel to try and pull off a 1 stop until Jeremy called me after the 30 min mark telling me it was a compulsory 2 stop race haha so I gave away so much time cruising around for nothing ah well lol
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Wally on November 16, 2018, 06:30:11 PM
I was having a great time managing tyres and fuel to try and pull off a 1 stop until Jeremy called me after the 30 min mark telling me it was a compulsory 2 stop race haha so I gave away so much time cruising around for nothing ah well lol
It pays to always read at least the first put of the race thread. Think of it as a drivers' briefing.
Title: Re: S25R1: SunBank 24 at Daytona Road Course
Post by: Matthew111 on November 18, 2018, 03:35:53 PM
Haha yep I was very last minute put the suit on and went