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Title: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Wally on November 20, 2018, 11:07:32 PM
Matthew takes pole position and the race win to take a commanding lead in the standings, with rival Grat missing this round. Movers up the leaderboard include Mael and Russ.

RACE RESULTS (https://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2018/11/s25r3-imsa-gt-at-road-atlanta.html)
SEASON STANDINGS (https://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2018/11/season-25-standings.html)
SEASON STATS (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nu52lWM6_TIRBEGCTF32BxLe8mobfsCFpd_wOeuxpXI/edit?usp=sharing)

Round Points
Matthew111   30
RussG   24
Mael   20
Shayne   18
Phil.8   16
ab156   15
killagorilla   14
Wally   13
Bird   12
bradc   11
Joe   10
Keith   9
AbleArcher83   8
Freezer   7
Seanus   0
Rob   0
Doobs   0
Bacchulum   0
buellersdayoff   0
Jeremy   0
Simone   0

Congratulations to Matthew on taking out pole position, the race win and fastest race lap.

Penalties - 15 second post race time penalty next race
I’m going to have to ping Freezer for the start straight collision with Brad, as he moved sideways across the track to get around a slower car in front, but ended up colliding with Brad who was driving in a straight line beside him, in breach of the “stay on your side of the track in the opening 2 corners” rule – penalty.

At turn 1, Russ drifted wide across the track on corner exit and bumped Phil off the track, causing him to lose positions – penalty.

Bacchulum collided with the rear of killagorilla, sending him off track – penalty.

Jeremy had a big warp into Joe.


Season Standings
1. Matthew111, 59
2. Grat, 45
3. Mael/Shayne, 38



Round 3 takes us to Road Atlanta  [TRACK (http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/road-atlanta-2017.18293)]. This race has ONE mandatory pit stop. You can pit more than once if you want/need to.

Fuel multiplier will be 1.5x (fingers crossed  :-X )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWfoSKc8jYo
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Wally on November 22, 2018, 10:55:17 PM
To boost the Short Tails a bit, I've swapped the 50% restrictor for 30kg ballast on the practice server. This gives them a little bit of a leg up in terms of lap times for better parity, and the ballast slows them down in corners but doesn't make the top speed suffer as much as the restrictor (thanks Seanus for the suggestion).
In only a few laps each on default setup and a full tank, I did a 1:20.1 in the long tail, and a 1:20.8 in the short tail.

As a consequence, I'll also make the fuel multiplier 1.35x.
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Wally on November 24, 2018, 08:01:57 AM
I've only just reset the practice server to 1.35 x fuel, so if you've done fuel calcs based on laps prior to now, please re-check.(you'll be able to do 1.11x more laps on a tank compared to before).
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: RussG on November 25, 2018, 05:33:49 PM
I've only just reset the practice server to 1.35 x fuel, so if you've done fuel calcs based on laps prior to now, please re-check.(you'll be able to do 1.11x more laps on a tank compared to before).
Cool, I guess the Short Tail can one stop now  :o ;D
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Joe on November 25, 2018, 05:54:13 PM
will be interesting if the mazdas stand a chance now. russ was so much faster through the corners last week and the only way I could keep ahead was accelerating out of them
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Wally on November 25, 2018, 06:48:10 PM
will be interesting if the mazdas stand a chance now. russ was so much faster through the corners last week and the only way I could keep ahead was accelerating out of them
Yeah, the Mazdas look a bit slow on the practice times. But then they also have a much quicker pit stop.
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Joe on November 25, 2018, 08:36:35 PM
will be interesting if the mazdas stand a chance now. russ was so much faster through the corners last week and the only way I could keep ahead was accelerating out of them
Yeah, the Mazdas look a bit slow on the practice times. But then they also have a much quicker pit stop.

I just did a few laps and was doing comparable times to the short tails. This track is a shit load of fun in this car though pushing hard I only manage a few laps before I write the car off  ;D :o
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Phil.8 on November 25, 2018, 08:42:36 PM
what wing you running ?
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Joe on November 25, 2018, 08:46:35 PM
what wing you running ?

Whatever was in the initial setup you gave me. I think I messed with the diff a little bit before R1, but other than that nothing else changed.
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Phil.8 on November 25, 2018, 08:57:29 PM
cool  I was trying 3/18 here,  will try the original 1/11
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Joe on November 26, 2018, 06:16:52 AM
cool  I was trying 3/18 here,  will try the original 1/11

I see you found some extra place Phil!
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Wally on November 26, 2018, 06:34:20 AM
cool  I was trying 3/18 here,  will try the original 1/11

I see you found some extra place Phil!
How? I'm 3 seconds off the pace :(
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Joe on November 26, 2018, 08:02:02 AM
cool  I was trying 3/18 here,  will try the original 1/11

I see you found some extra place Phil!
How? I'm 3 seconds off the pace :(

In the laps I did I found pace in a few places. T1 you can take a lot faster than I originally thought. I brake just before the cones and not for too long then swing in what feels early to hit the apex. Getting a good exit on the tight right onto the back straight can easily make 0.5 sec. Also on my fastest laps I was completely flat through the last two corners which can be risky!
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Wally on November 26, 2018, 08:25:18 AM
cool  I was trying 3/18 here,  will try the original 1/11

I see you found some extra place Phil!
How? I'm 3 seconds off the pace :(

In the laps I did I found pace in a few places. T1 you can take a lot faster than I originally thought. I brake just before the cones and not for too long then swing in what feels early to hit the apex. Getting a good exit on the tight right onto the back straight can easily make 0.5 sec. Also on my fastest laps I was completely flat through the last two corners which can be risky!

Thanks Joe. I think the best I can hope for is that the faster guys crash and burn, and slow but steady wins the race.
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Freezer on November 26, 2018, 10:05:42 AM
cool  I was trying 3/18 here,  will try the original 1/11

I see you found some extra place Phil!
How? I'm 3 seconds off the pace :(

In the laps I did I found pace in a few places. T1 you can take a lot faster than I originally thought. I brake just before the cones and not for too long then swing in what feels early to hit the apex. Getting a good exit on the tight right onto the back straight can easily make 0.5 sec. Also on my fastest laps I was completely flat through the last two corners which can be risky!

Thanks Joe. I think the best I can hope for is that the faster guys crash and burn, and slow but steady wins the race.
There are a lot of places to make mistakes here, and if you do you tend to find a wall!
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Bird on November 26, 2018, 10:55:55 AM
cool  I was trying 3/18 here,  will try the original 1/11

I see you found some extra place Phil!
How? I'm 3 seconds off the pace :(

In the laps I did I found pace in a few places. T1 you can take a lot faster than I originally thought. I brake just before the cones and not for too long then swing in what feels early to hit the apex. Getting a good exit on the tight right onto the back straight can easily make 0.5 sec. Also on my fastest laps I was completely flat through the last two corners which can be risky!

Thanks Joe. I think the best I can hope for is that the faster guys crash and burn, and slow but steady wins the race.
There are a lot of places to make mistakes here, and if you do you tend to find a wall!
Yeah it's one of those tracks where a slight mistake can be terminal.  And lots of blind corners.  The track is worse than a street course. 
I honestly doubt I'll finish this race in one piece.

It's actually quite lucky suspension/tyre damage isn't modelled, as I'd have tyres falling off on some of the curbs, too. (or at least suspension arms bent)
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: RussG on November 26, 2018, 12:41:46 PM
will be interesting if the mazdas stand a chance now. russ was so much faster through the corners last week and the only way I could keep ahead was accelerating out of them
Remember that the Short Tail loses 20 sec per pit stop compared to the Mazda.


I see you found some extra place Phil!
How? I'm 3 seconds off the pace :(
For a start:
Phil =  Soft tires & 0.7% fuel
Wally = Hard tires & 12.7% fuel.

Surely that will account for some of the time.
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Joe on November 26, 2018, 02:11:07 PM
I honestly doubt I'll finish this race in one piece.

Ditto. I'll definitely be lifting a lot more when it comes to the race. In the hour of practice last night I don't think I went more than 3 laps without wrecking.
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Wally on November 26, 2018, 02:18:55 PM
will be interesting if the mazdas stand a chance now. russ was so much faster through the corners last week and the only way I could keep ahead was accelerating out of them
Remember that the Short Tail loses 20 sec per pit stop compared to the Mazda.


I see you found some extra place Phil!
How? I'm 3 seconds off the pace :(
For a start:
Phil =  Soft tires & 0.7% fuel
Wally = Hard tires & 12.7% fuel.

Surely that will account for some of the time.
Maybe, but somehow I never seem to be able to wring much more performance out of softs.
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Phil.8 on November 26, 2018, 04:56:48 PM
same here with the softs until this race,  if you have a chance to hop on sometime tonight when I am on I will share you my setup on Ptracker
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Mael on November 27, 2018, 10:58:23 AM
Shark attacks on the increase  ;D

https://youtu.be/_4dlAbrd4QQ
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Wally on November 27, 2018, 11:30:57 AM
If you're doing 15s Phil, I DO need your setup!
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Joe on November 27, 2018, 01:21:42 PM
If you're doing 15s Phil, I DO need your setup!

Damn... I wanted to practice last night but I decided to watch the F1 first but fell asleep watching it at 9.15pm  :-\
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: bradc on November 27, 2018, 03:24:26 PM
In the Long Tail, this is a very difficult track.  After reading some of the notes in this thread, I decided to up the rear wing, which when the car doesn't have an adjustable front wing, is a recipe for disaster...I think tonight it's going to be points accumulation as I was wildly chucking the car around to get a mid 1m18.
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Phil.8 on November 27, 2018, 03:43:46 PM
lol Mael
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: RussG on November 27, 2018, 04:03:04 PM
If you're doing 15s Phil, I DO need your setup!

Damn... I wanted to practice last night but I decided to watch the F1 first but fell asleep watching it at 9.15pm  :-\
Your F1 dedication is lacking Joe  :P
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Wally on November 27, 2018, 06:21:58 PM
Server's up.
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Wally on November 27, 2018, 10:50:31 PM
Results are up in the first post.
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Wally on November 27, 2018, 11:08:34 PM
I decided to stick with my comfortable and consistent setup after trying Phil's magic 1:15 setup (I wasn't that much faster in it anyway). Even though I only qualified 17th, I avoided any trouble and ended up finishing 7th, after an early and quick pitstop for hard tyres.

The highlight of this race was Bird's relentless pursuit in a Short Tail, over the last 20(!) laps. He caught me in the corners, I pulled away just enough on the straight. Over the last 9 laps or so, we were within a second of other. My tyres were on the end of a 37 lap stint by the end of the race, but despite a few almost oversteers, I managed to hang on without a mistake.
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Freezer on November 27, 2018, 11:14:47 PM
Overall crappy race for me unfortunately.  Ran off on my last qualifying lap with a time that would have seen me around 3rd of 4th.
At the jump I got away slightly better than Mael in front and went to move left to go past, but didn't realise Bradc had done similar from behind
and was coming up my left.  Contact and I was into the wall hard!!
Now last and with bad damage i crawled around to pit but couldn't get back out before the leaders came through.
From there I think I was pushing to hard and kept making mistakes, I had plenty of pace to catch people, particularly in the first handful of bends but not enough
on the straights to get by.  Frustrating track for that reason, when stuck behind I was doing 1.19's and 20's, but with clear track 1.17's.
Apologies to Doobs, about mid race i spun just over a rise and had just come to a stop when he came flying over and collected me!
On to next week....
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Joe on November 27, 2018, 11:19:52 PM
poor race for me after qualifying 3rd.

sounds like Jeremy warped into me which makes sense from what happened but that put me back in 10th. had a few good laps with bird and Phil  until around the 20 min mark where I put a tyre on the grass on the final turn which always means hitting that wall.

car was damaged from the warp but after the crash was pretty wrecked so I pitted and fixed the damage.

around 35 mins I spun on my own and hit a wall causing big damage again so decided to make a second stop.

after that was a lap down on most people. Wally was nice enough to let me unlap myself but I think he was more worried about me ramming into the back of him as was I  ;D
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Mael on November 27, 2018, 11:58:08 PM
At the jump I got away slightly better than Mael in front and went to move left to go past, but didn't realise Bradc had done similar from behind
and was coming up my left.  Contact and I was into the wall hard!!

Apologies for initiating the misery Freezer. Actually got a good initial start but found myself blocked by the cars in front with no way through so lifted off the throttle  :-[

Otherwise had a very good race not withstanding under-estimating the tire wear, running softs only probably wasn't the quickest strategy  ;D The last few laps was spend chasing Russ, hoping in vain that the back-markers would hold him up. But his shorty was quick enough to keep ahead of my ice-skating Long-tail, good driving mate!
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: RussG on November 28, 2018, 12:01:16 AM
At turn 1, Russ drifted wide across the track on corner exit and bumped Phil off the track, causing him to lose positions – penalty.
Only one thing I can say about that - Harsh!
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Wally on November 28, 2018, 07:26:59 AM
At turn 1, Russ drifted wide across the track on corner exit and bumped Phil off the track, causing him to lose positions – penalty.
Only one thing I can say about that - Harsh!
Ask Phil if he feels the same way about the effect on his race ;)

Rules is rules: "don't deviate from your side of the track in the first two corners to reduce the risk of hitting someone beside you".

Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Wally on November 28, 2018, 07:28:56 AM
after that was a lap down on most people. Wally was nice enough to let me unlap myself but I think he was more worried about me ramming into the back of him as was I  ;D
Damn straight. I knew you were faster than me.
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Bird on November 28, 2018, 08:39:43 AM
Bloody good race for me.   
Decent quali, crap start (partially causing the accident for freezer, sorry), but then I stuck onto the Joe/Phil train for a bit, and felt I had some extra.   But then came the mistake(s) and lost a bit of ground - luckily nothing else.    I was lapping 5th at the half-time.   Then came the longest pit stop in history, and came out way behind.   I've managed to make up some ground, chased down Wally from  20-odd seconds behind (even did a few 17's during the chase which I was pretty happy with!), however once I caught up it was a waiting game.  The tyres were not good enough to try anything brave and even though I was significantly faster in the 1st sector, the long straights saw me drop behind the Mazda.   
Wally's racecraft won out in the end; no mistakes were made. :)   It was good fun racing in the pack!
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: doobs on November 28, 2018, 08:44:03 AM
I didn't qualify as well as I thought I might and started in 12th. Had an ordinary start but gained a couple of spots because of a collision in front of me. Got caught out with the cold tyres and looped it, caught back up and promptly looped it again and damaged the car. After that it was all good and got back up to 6th and on the last lap before I pitted came over a crest and found Freezer in the worst position he could be, smacked the car hard and broke it. No point continuing because I would have been in the pits for over two minutes and I was really pissed off. Not pissed off with you Freezer, just with the circumstances. It's not often I'm competitive.
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: rob on November 28, 2018, 08:49:28 AM
Internet issues again for me, 3 discos during practice! Thought that the distraction of a warping car could ruin someone else's race, so pulled the plug.

I was disapointed to miss this race, I love this track, I actually did some practice.
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Bacchulum on November 28, 2018, 10:51:57 AM
Made a mistake about 15mins in, caused body damage but nothing else.
Then whilst recovering, still off the pace with dirty tyres, I was dive bombed into a corner, destroying my right front suspension.
Lost a lap limping back to the pits, lost another one getting repairs, but still had to pit again (too early to have enough room in the tank to get to the end).
I'd already done plenty of hotlaps, not interested in doing another 45mins worth. :-X
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: buellersdayoff on November 28, 2018, 10:54:47 AM
Complete shitshow for me lol, a bit of practice I did offline was in vr and had what felt like a good set-up for the car. But it seemed crap on race night on the monitor, so I spent a lot of practice tweaking with no real results. Also completely forgot to set up a fuel strategy until the last second and in doing so started on soft tyres instead of medium which I had planned. Couldn't get a good run in qualifying and started towards the back so I just wanted to stay out of trouble but I was on softs racing others with hard or medium which were slower in the corners than I. I rear ended G0D, very sorry, redressed. Stuffed up my pit stop adjusting fuel on the fly and lost a lot more time. Then hit the grass on the last turn contact the wall, exit to pit only 25 seconds wait but re-entered with lots of blue flag and quit. Good fun while it lasted, thanks guys and sorry for any troubles
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Freezer on November 28, 2018, 02:37:49 PM
At the jump I got away slightly better than Mael in front and went to move left to go past, but didn't realise Bradc had done similar from behind
and was coming up my left.  Contact and I was into the wall hard!!

Apologies for initiating the misery Freezer. Actually got a good initial start but found myself blocked by the cars in front with no way through so lifted off the throttle  :-[
Yeah not your fault, good to see one of had a good night though!
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: bradc on November 28, 2018, 03:01:27 PM
Wow, I think that was one of the toughest nights I racing I've ever had!

With little knowledge of how to setup a car I really struggled in the Longtail. I tried raising the rear wing, but then couldn't dial out all the understeer, so I gave up on that path and kept it rather low which gave more neutral handling, but it was slow. When i qualified in 11th I was actually shocked as my times before that had me at the back of the grid. Sadly after side to side contact off the line I was. I'm not sure who was in front of my, but that had a slow start and I went for the big gap in the next row, I became piggy in the middle and was squeezed, resulting in contact and a spin. Luckily I managed to escape undamaged so my turtle didn't get any slower. I decided to adopt a long strategy and as the laps passed managed to pass a lot of cars who'd fallen off or crashed. In fact I can't recall doing a single 'real' pass all race. The medium tyres held out well, not really surprising seeing a high 1m18 was all I could manage. I ended up using all 99ltrs and then took some new mediums at around 18mins to go and then kept on trucking, but by then 9th place was nearly 1/2 a minute up the road so i just kept on doing my 18s and cruised home in 10th which I'm happy with considering it was a bad night for me.

It was a tough race, more so because I needed to know who I was racing and every lap was a struggle to stay on the blackstuff. At times when I had faster cars behind me (and lapped ones) where I just let them go as I knew holding track position was only going to lead to their frustration and a possible incident ruining both our races. One comment I will make, is that I believe those blue flags are coming out far too early! Whilst being lapped I noticed they started to appear when the leaders were about 2sec behind me and with the differences in the cars strengths/weaknesses it could mean that the leader would take a lap or two (or more) to get in a position where you could wave them by and not add 5 seconds to your lap time....
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Bacchulum on November 28, 2018, 06:46:12 PM
Bacchulum collided with the rear of killagorilla, sending him off track – penalty.
Yeah, sorry Killa. :'(
I wasn't even trying to pass, just focusing on the car in front.
I didn't even see you until you turned in, tried to back out but it was just too late. :(

I also take from this ruling that the "stay on your side for turns 1 & 2" rule is now obsolete?
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: killagorilla on November 28, 2018, 08:43:49 PM
Bacchulum collided with the rear of killagorilla, sending him off track – penalty.
Yeah, sorry Killa. :'(
I wasn't even trying to pass, just focusing on the car in front.
I didn't even see you until you turned in, tried to back out but it was just too late. :(

I also take from this ruling that the "stay on your side for turns 1 & 2" rule is now obsolete?

It's ok. Just watched the replay...hmm, it's a tricky one. Dunno whether it counts as turn 2 or 3 - but that's just on the side.
I watched it from multiple perspectives, your cockpit view as well. I would definitely say it was very easy for you to see me on whatever FOV you're using - I saw myself from your cockpit quite some time before the contact. You had that moment behind Simone, lost quite some ground and I was a full car length in front. At that moment I just thought I would be save to move left. It looks like you've braked a tad later. All that happening at the same time lead to the collision. It was unfortunate. Maybe I could/should have left this line for you, maybe you could have braked a tiny bit more/earlier to avoid contact...to be honest I struggle to figure out whose fault it is.
I think you can say you could have easily avoided it.
However, Wally, might be worth having another look at it and see if the penalty is justified.
Cheers
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Bacchulum on November 28, 2018, 10:59:46 PM
You're right Killa, you were visible peripherally, and I'd conceded the place but didn't want to lose more.
I was focused on the car directly in front of me (used to the the "stay your side" rule) and was surprised when you started to fill the gap.
That's all, didn't mean it. :-[ :-[
The penalty can stand, I don't care about that, I'm about a minute away from anyone else so it's a spit in the ocean. :-X
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: RussG on November 28, 2018, 11:31:47 PM
At turn 1, Russ drifted wide across the track on corner exit and bumped Phil off the track, causing him to lose positions – penalty.
Bacchulum collided with the rear of killagorilla, sending him off track – penalty.
I also take from this ruling that the "stay on your side for turns 1 & 2" rule is now obsolete?
Rules is rules: "don't deviate from your side of the track in the first two corners to reduce the risk of hitting someone beside you".
This is fun  :o ;D
So, from the Bacchulum ruling, I read it that Phil collided with the rear of RussG and sent Phil off track, but with the RussG ruling, killa deviated from his side of the track and hit Bacchulum .... LOL. Honestly I didn't even know that there had been any issue until I saw I had a penalty.
Stay strong Wally  8)

Qually went good. I had a better lap going but it messed up at the last chicane. The lap I did was still good enough for second  ... phew, but there was no hope of getting near Matthew's time which I assume was 100% boost for the whole lap in the Long Tail.

Looks like Jeremy select 100% boost in the Long Tail at the start and blew everyone away to jump from 7th to 2nd at T1, upset my mojo and I ran Phil off tarck ... haha
Then I was easily faster than Jeremy over a lap but there was no way to pass so Matthew eased away in front. I tried a bit too hard and made a couple of small mistakes and Jeremy got a small break as well.
About lap 9 Jeremy went off over the hill at the end of lap and I was released. I pulled Matthew back in from an 8+ second gap, then the pit stop .... yawwwwnnnn - you go to sleep in a Shorty pit stop.
After the pit stop, Matthew was 30 seconds ahead due to needing to add a lot less fuel to go to the finish, so it was game over for the Shorty.
I decided to just cruise to the end, but then as so often happens, lost concentration and made a few mistakes, and with a handful of laps left Mael was right on me. I knuckled down and got going again, but Mael also had good pace at the end and I was really chuffed to hold him off to finish 2nd.
Great result for the Shorty that I didn't think we would get at this track, but due to some others misfortunes (looking at Shayne), it came off  ;D ;D

Thanks all for the racing and disappointed that Freezer had the incident at the start as currently I see him as the main Shorty threat  :P
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Wally on November 29, 2018, 07:28:49 AM
The rule is clear: you entered turn 1 on the right of the track, moved across to the left while braking (so you came in too fast), and Phil ended up off the track with damage.
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Mael on November 29, 2018, 11:07:22 AM
Looks like Jeremy select 100% boost in the Long Tail at the start and blew everyone away to jump from 7th to 2nd at T1, upset my mojo and I ran Phil off tarck ... haha

Quite impressive that, I started on 60% boost. Any higher and the risk of doing donuts on the grid is too high  ;D
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: killagorilla on November 29, 2018, 04:31:57 PM
You're right Killa, you were visible peripherally, and I'd conceded the place but didn't want to lose more.
I was focused on the car directly in front of me (used to the the "stay your side" rule) and was surprised when you started to fill the gap.
That's all, didn't mean it. :-[ :-[
The penalty can stand, I don't care about that, I'm about a minute away from anyone else so it's a spit in the ocean. :-X
Wally posted an aerial view from another incident a while ago. I don't have it when toggling through the views available, but I think that's the best perspective to judge incidents.
So, I think that's been used and led to the decision. I started way back and for me it wasn't turn 2  ;) By then I must admit I forgot about this rule and my crew chief has given me a "clear left".
Anyway looking at the new server top speeds it seems the times where the Mazda was faster than the shorty on the straights are over. I've got my rear wing on 13, may be able to do 12, but that's it...any lower and I can't control the rear end anymore.
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: ab156 on November 29, 2018, 05:59:26 PM
Rarely bother watching the reply, life is too short.

Watched the start on this one due to the chatter, I think the rulings are spot on for both.  One was a car drifting across 3 lanes forcing a car off, the other was clear front to rear contact forcing a car off.  Jeremy certainly exacerbated but not sure you can penalise a car for getting a great start!

It's good to have a friendly debate, let's make sure it stays that way and we all respect the work Wally puts in.  To me it's pretty clear, if you are out of lane in the first corners and impact another drivers race through contact you will get a penalty.  If you rear end someone on lap 1 you will most likely get a penalty (exception if there is mitigating circumstance ahead).

My race was ok, I have been sick as dog for the last few days so wasn't sure concentration / endurance would be there.  Pleased to have only had 1 minor off during the whole race although I was at least 1 second down on practice pace.  Sorry for the rejoin Phil, tyres were spinning, I was trying to leave room on the racing line for you but at a really bad spot.  The longtail was horrible in the first half of the track and a bullet on the back straight - I am sure quite a few people (Phil, Wally, Killa) were cursing me at times :)

I am enjoying the different natures of the cars, it adds a new element in understanding who, and more importantly how, you are racing.  Killa got stuck behind me for 10 laps at the end, he was quicker but I could open the gap on the back straight, all I had to do was focus on T1, if he had got past there he would have gapped me by the back straight.  It helps when you are on the winning side but I love that kind of strategy and intensity.
Title: Re: S25R3: Atlanta Journal-Constitution Grand Prix at Road Atlanta 2017
Post by: Wally on November 29, 2018, 09:51:40 PM
Thanks AB - I've been doing this for 7+ years, so I've seen it all ;)