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Title: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Wally on May 14, 2019, 11:15:52 PM
Congratulations to Kcender on pole and the race 1 win, to AGK for his first XGN win, and to Killagorilla on the overall round win, with a 3rd and a 4th. Kcender maintains a 30 point lead over Guybrush, who fared poorly tonight with a 17th and a DNF. In the team standings, Krahl Racing are 10 points clear of Aleph Null.

Big movers in the standings were Killagorilla and AGK (+6), and AbleArcher (+8).


RACE 1 RESULTS (https://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2019/05/s28r3-gpl-67-at-spa-66-race-1.html)
RACE 2 RESULTS (https://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2019/05/s28r3-gpl-67-at-spa-66-race-2.html)
SEASON STANDINGS (https://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2019/05/season-28-standings.html)
SEASON STATS (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nu52lWM6_TIRBEGCTF32BxLe8mobfsCFpd_wOeuxpXI/edit?usp=sharing)

Round Points
killagorilla   105
Kcender87   102
Phil.8   99
AGK   96
Bird   96
Bacchulum   84
Joe   81
Freezer   78
Mael   78
Wally   78
AbleArcher83   75
Seanus   66
ab156   39
Rob   39
RussG   21
Greggy68   18
Guybrush Threepwood   0
bradc   0
Doobs   0
Simone   0


Lap 1 Penalties

Race 1
None.

Race 2
Freezer moved across the track from his side at turn 1, running in front of Bird who was braking for some distance and couldn't avoid hitting Freezer - 30 kg penalty for Freezer.
Later, Bird tagged the rear of Greggy - 30 kg penalty for Bird.

Season Standings
1. Kcender87, 251
2. Guybrush Threepwood, 221
3. Phil.8, 209



With a longer circuit, this round sees the format change to two 8 lap races. Points are adjusted accordingly so that the overall round is still worth the same number of points as a three race round.

Track download: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SuExn5YKGBCdi2hxyp9r8DdKj_-mEnRm (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SuExn5YKGBCdi2hxyp9r8DdKj_-mEnRm)

Weather is a cool 12 and 13 degrees, moderate winds.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Bird on May 17, 2019, 05:25:46 PM
well, this is one deadly track that I've never driven before...fair warning; it's not a half an hour to learn this one in :)
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Wally on May 17, 2019, 06:12:59 PM
well, this is one deadly track that I've never driven before...fair warning; it's not a half an hour to learn this one in :)
From my experiences at this track, the high speeds often bite you!
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Bird on May 17, 2019, 09:45:11 PM
well, this is one deadly track that I've never driven before...fair warning; it's not a half an hour to learn this one in :)
From my experiences at this track, the high speeds often bite you!


Well, that's good because there are barely any low speed sections :D

But to illustrate it; my first full lap was a 4:30.  Then slowly I've worked myself down to the current 3:30.8 (which did not register in ptracker!), still some 4s off kcender, and he had friggen 4 laps!!! Mate you must be driving with your right pedal glued to the floor.  Incredible.

It's a really great track when you get it right.   I'd call it a mini Nordschleife. 
But those houses and stuff right next to the track...geezusss...these guys had balls of kryptonium to drive these cars at 300+ speeds here, back in the day.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Phil.8 on May 17, 2019, 10:45:55 PM
My time was maybe handicapped by about gin seconds, but I don't think I have a lot left
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Freezer on May 17, 2019, 11:04:08 PM
well, this is one deadly track that I've never driven before...fair warning; it's not a half an hour to learn this one in :)
From my experiences at this track, the high speeds often bite you!


Well, that's good because there are barely any low speed sections :D

But to illustrate it; my first full lap was a 4:30.  Then slowly I've worked myself down to the current 3:30.8 (which did not register in ptracker!), still some 4s off kcender, and he had friggen 4 laps!!! Mate you must be driving with your right pedal glued to the floor.  Incredible.

It's a really great track when you get it right.   I'd call it a mini Nordschleife. 
But those houses and stuff right next to the track...geezusss...these guys had balls of kryptonium to drive these cars at 300+ speeds here, back in the day.
Wait until you add some drafting into that scenario . . .  :o :o
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Bacchulum on May 17, 2019, 11:06:23 PM
I did Freezer, poor old Eagle only gained 3kph. :'(
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Wally on May 18, 2019, 05:45:35 AM
My time was maybe handicapped by about gin seconds, but I don't think I have a lot left
:D
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: killagorilla on May 18, 2019, 09:49:46 AM
well, this is one deadly track that I've never driven before...fair warning; it's not a half an hour to learn this one in :)
From my experiences at this track, the high speeds often bite you!


Well, that's good because there are barely any low speed sections :D
...still some 4s off kcender, and he had friggen 4 laps!!! Mate you must be driving with your right pedal glued to the floor.  Incredible.

It's a really great track when you get it right.   I'd call it a mini Nordschleife. 
But those houses and stuff right next to the track...geezusss...these guys had balls of kryptonium to drive these cars at 300+ speeds here, back in the day.
You know you can do practice offline as well  ;)
I've done 2 laps on the server last night, but don't think my time is a result of just that...tried maybe ten times doing a full lap offline before...and managed to get 3 or 4 done. Btw the forces I apply to my steering wheel must be insane :-)
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Bacchulum on May 18, 2019, 10:14:48 AM
And sTracker only counts timed laps.
My 20 is closer to 40 with in/outlaps and incomplete laps. ;)
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Ablearcher83 on May 18, 2019, 11:03:08 AM
This will be a race of who can keep it straight, clean, out of trouble for others and on the black top. :)
From our outing here in the Porsche's, Les Combes will be a S1#t fight with cars going all directions.  ;)
That's if we can get passed eau rouge. :o
I think I posted this last time we were here, great watch, love the VW going wide then almost loosing it.
https://youtu.be/CLWPANb8sHU (https://youtu.be/CLWPANb8sHU)
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: killagorilla on May 18, 2019, 12:02:48 PM
Yeah, at these speeds a crash is pretty much the end of the race...Wally, what about 4 x 4 lap sprint races...to reduce waiting time for the next race ;-)
Kidding, that would probably just increase carnage...haha
Btw penalties could be increased on this one as well. That's just because risky moves will likely have a different impact than on a normal race track...just an idea...may suffer from that myself...
Wally, you may have tried it before, but for me as a bit of a noob it would make sense to have penalties, which really have a significant impact on the receiver.
I mean the consequences of a risky move in real racing can be very significant of course...there's life at risk, shitloads of money, time and effort. There's all this effort and money going into trying to make sim racing as real as possible. It would be interesting to know what happens behind the scenes when one of these young drivers in whatever real racing series does something stupid. I believe team managers have very serious discussions with race drivers in general and especially in case things went wrong. We're getting away with stupid moves rather lightly...a voluntary 'sorry' and 30kg :-) Again, I'm not criticising the system...just a spontaneous thought...not too much experience here with me as said before.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Freezer on May 18, 2019, 12:47:02 PM
I did Freezer, poor old Eagle only gained 3kph. :'(
Imagine if it had a sixth gear  . . .  8) 8)
p.s. I want to know how you are getting through S3 2.5 seconds quicker than me in the same car :) :)
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Bacchulum on May 18, 2019, 12:51:30 PM
Beer balls. ;)
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Joe on May 18, 2019, 02:17:31 PM
Beer balls. ;)

 ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D 8)
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Wally on May 18, 2019, 03:13:50 PM
Yeah, at these speeds a crash is pretty much the end of the race...Wally, what about 4 x 4 lap sprint races...to reduce waiting time for the next race ;-)
Kidding, that would probably just increase carnage...haha
Btw penalties could be increased on this one as well. That's just because risky moves will likely have a different impact than on a normal race track...just an idea...may suffer from that myself...
Wally, you may have tried it before, but for me as a bit of a noob it would make sense to have penalties, which really have a significant impact on the receiver.
I mean the consequences of a risky move in real racing can be very significant of course...there's life at risk, shitloads of money, time and effort. There's all this effort and money going into trying to make sim racing as real as possible. It would be interesting to know what happens behind the scenes when one of these young drivers in whatever real racing series does something stupid. I believe team managers have very serious discussions with race drivers in general and especially in case things went wrong. We're getting away with stupid moves rather lightly...a voluntary 'sorry' and 30kg :-) Again, I'm not criticising the system...just a spontaneous thought...not too much experience here with me as said before.
I don't think any particular track deserves more or less penalties.The 30 kg ballast is designed to be roughly a 10 second penalty on your overall race (these cars are not very heavy). If you have an incident, it already impacts that race, and after you do the next race with ballast, you could well finish further down the order which then impacts your starting position for the next race. So I think that's penalty enough.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Bird on May 18, 2019, 07:10:50 PM
And sTracker only counts timed laps.
My 20 is closer to 40 with in/outlaps and incomplete laps. ;)

Yeah, my laps are at least double that amount, too ;)
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: killagorilla on May 18, 2019, 09:38:08 PM
Yeah, at these speeds a crash is pretty much the end of the race...Wally, what about 4 x 4 lap sprint races...to reduce waiting time for the next race ;-)
Kidding, that would probably just increase carnage...haha
Btw penalties could be increased on this one as well. That's just because risky moves will likely have a different impact than on a normal race track...just an idea...may suffer from that myself...
Wally, you may have tried it before, but for me as a bit of a noob it would make sense to have penalties, which really have a significant impact on the receiver.
I mean the consequences of a risky move in real racing can be very significant of course...there's life at risk, shitloads of money, time and effort. There's all this effort and money going into trying to make sim racing as real as possible. It would be interesting to know what happens behind the scenes when one of these young drivers in whatever real racing series does something stupid. I believe team managers have very serious discussions with race drivers in general and especially in case things went wrong. We're getting away with stupid moves rather lightly...a voluntary 'sorry' and 30kg :-) Again, I'm not criticising the system...just a spontaneous thought...not too much experience here with me as said before.
I don't think any particular track deserves more or less penalties.The 30 kg ballast is designed to be roughly a 10 second penalty on your overall race (these cars are not very heavy). If you have an incident, it already impacts that race, and after you do the next race with ballast, you could well finish further down the order which then impacts your starting position for the next race. So I think that's penalty enough.
Fair enough...just an idea :-) Hopefully it will work out all right and we manage staying on the black bits.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on May 19, 2019, 11:23:17 AM
Just checking there is no extra download for more pit boxes?
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Wally on May 19, 2019, 03:59:59 PM
Just checking there is no extra download for more pit boxes?
No, it should have 32 boxes already.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on May 19, 2019, 04:49:44 PM
I've put a setup for the Ferrari on ptracker.

Wally, were you aware that tyre blankets are on?  Not sure if this is the case on race night, but in these cars it actually makes them more dangerous during the first lap as the tyres are way over pressure, especially the rears which slide a lot.

When the pressures are low (cold) they tend toward understeer.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Wally on May 19, 2019, 06:13:41 PM
I've put a setup for the Ferrari on ptracker.

Wally, were you aware that tyre blankets are on?  Not sure if this is the case on race night, but in these cars it actually makes them more dangerous during the first lap as the tyres are way over pressure, especially the rears which slide a lot.

When the pressures are low (cold) they tend toward understeer.
Fair point - yes, I've had tyre warmers on thinking it would lead to safer racing. We can try a round with tyre warmers off, for sure.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Bird on May 20, 2019, 08:42:21 AM
I've put a setup for the Ferrari on ptracker.

Thanks mate, I'll give it a go tonight.
Is it much different from last week's?   I was using it and finding it pretty useful (different gearing is all)
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on May 20, 2019, 04:19:13 PM
I've put a setup for the Ferrari on ptracker.

Thanks mate, I'll give it a go tonight.
Is it much different from last week's?   I was using it and finding it pretty useful (different gearing is all)

No major changes, just to roll bar, height, dampers and gearing.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Wally on May 20, 2019, 04:40:39 PM
I've put a setup for the Ferrari on ptracker.

Thanks mate, I'll give it a go tonight.
Is it much different from last week's?   I was using it and finding it pretty useful (different gearing is all)

No major changes, just to roll bar, height, dampers and gearing.
You're wringing some speed out of it! I'm 10 seconds off the pace.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: killagorilla on May 20, 2019, 04:48:13 PM
I've put a setup for the Ferrari on ptracker.

Wally, were you aware that tyre blankets are on?  Not sure if this is the case on race night, but in these cars it actually makes them more dangerous during the first lap as the tyres are way over pressure, especially the rears which slide a lot.

When the pressures are low (cold) they tend toward understeer.
Can you or anyone else tell me what to do in order to have a look at this setup?
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Joe on May 20, 2019, 06:58:06 PM
I've put a setup for the Ferrari on ptracker.

Wally, were you aware that tyre blankets are on?  Not sure if this is the case on race night, but in these cars it actually makes them more dangerous during the first lap as the tyres are way over pressure, especially the rears which slide a lot.

When the pressures are low (cold) they tend toward understeer.
Can you or anyone else tell me what to do in order to have a look at this setup?

Open ptracker and go to the setups tab and it should be listed there.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Bird on May 20, 2019, 07:53:25 PM
Awesome setup, GB, as usual.

Very much likes to turn and goes where you point it.  Still very stable.  I don't know how you do it, but keep doing it, mate!
I was chasing a 29 the other day and I could not get near it.  Now, on the second lap out I've gone and broken my record by a second.

One question; do you plan to keep to this shorter gearing in the race?  I was thinking to be able to benefit from slipstreaming, the longest top might be needed...

Edit: except I'm going to be 30kgs heavier, maybe I should stick to the shorter :D
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on May 20, 2019, 08:24:08 PM
Thanks for the feedback Bird.
I'm not sure about the gearing.  If I was in the Lotus or Eagle I would go longer as those cars have a lot better mid range to get in good slip stream range.
I'll probably just leave as is.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Ablearcher83 on May 21, 2019, 12:27:03 PM
RIP Niki

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor :(

Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Phil.8 on May 21, 2019, 05:26:48 PM
Very sad news about Niki
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Wally on May 21, 2019, 06:16:19 PM
Server's up.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: rob on May 21, 2019, 09:42:44 PM
Thanks guys, great racing.

R1 was awesome fun trying to catch Wally.

Unfortunately fps for R2 was just a slideshow for me, and impossible to drive. I tried pitting and getting away from traffic but that was not the problem.

Boo, I was really looking forward to the second race.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: doobs on May 21, 2019, 09:54:30 PM
I seem to be incapable of driving, and smashed into the same building about five times. Sorry to anyone that couldn't avoid my incompetence.
I reckon I did about three hours practice and only completed about 5 timed laps. Woeful.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Bird on May 21, 2019, 10:17:04 PM
The first race was really great, enjoyed it, and everything - great chase with Killa!

THowever the 2nd I've majorly fucked up.  wice.  I apologise to basically everyone here.  The first mistake was going into T1, I just could not turn any more I saw the gap closing on me but braking & turning did not work (panicked a little I think, and possibly the cold tyres didn't help either) and that was it....I think it was Freezer's rear I've nudged.
Edit: after careful review of the replay; I'm changing my stance on this one.  I've kept to the very edge of the track, there wasn't much I could have done.


Once we got going, up on the top I caught up to Greggy who was wobbling quite a bit left-right-left-right, and I've tried to keep behind carefully, while the crowds were really getting thick behind...then I saw him lining up left and went for the gap on the right...except I've mis-calculated by a tiny bit, it seems.     

Major apologies, to Greggy, and everyone else caught up in it.  I'll take my 60kgs 30kgs thank you.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Wally on May 21, 2019, 10:17:19 PM
race 2 replay
https://send.firefox.com/download/6901b0d360b8445c/#whd4CxrIOFjR1Am5fk348w (https://send.firefox.com/download/6901b0d360b8445c/#whd4CxrIOFjR1Am5fk348w)
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Mael on May 21, 2019, 10:28:00 PM
I seem to be incapable of driving, and smashed into the same building about five times. Sorry to anyone that couldn't avoid my incompetence.
I reckon I did about three hours practice and only completed about 5 timed laps. Woeful.

Blame the car/ setup Doobs  ;D

However this race show why old tracks like these are not used anymore. It does not generally produce good close racing and leaves half the drivers in hospital/morgue. Was fun driving it though!
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: doobs on May 21, 2019, 10:33:01 PM
Blame the car/ setup Doobs  ;D

Ha, actually I probably should. I'd been practising in the Honda but forgot to change to it in car dealer so had to drive the Cooper, which felt like fighting my lane assist in the Subaru.
Still, it was a lack of talent that was the issue.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Wally on May 21, 2019, 11:18:46 PM
Results are up in 1st post.

Congratulations to AGK on his first win and to Killagorilla for the overall round win!
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Wally on May 21, 2019, 11:25:26 PM
My first race was just a matter of keeping it clean and staying out of harms way, backing off a little to avoid mistakes, and that saw me get a 7th.

In race 2 though, I got caught up in both opening lap accidents which left me with suspension damage and bent steering. I pitted the next lap for relatively quick repairs and then hoped that people would start falling off the track again, which they did. Despite one big spin all by myself when I ran a bit wide, I managed to get up to 9th from 16th, so not too bad a result.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: killagorilla on May 21, 2019, 11:30:48 PM
The first race was really great, enjoyed it, and everything - great chase with Killa!
Yeah, guess I was lucky you've had the extra 'bad boy' kg's on board  ;)
I was using my own setup as I just didn't have enough time to get used to Guybrush's. I noticed the car was turning in a lot better, but th rear end was a bit nervous.
However, good to have it...hope I can learn a bit from it when taking a closer look...again, mine is very different. Thanks again for your help...and to Guybrush as well.
The races went well for me. Would have never though I could finish both of them...a bit slowish, but consistent with a bit of luck.
Freezer, watched the replay on the incident with you...yeah, I did move away from you, but not fast enough.
Cheers
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: killagorilla on May 21, 2019, 11:35:05 PM
Haha, slowest round winner ever  ;D
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Bird on May 21, 2019, 11:44:21 PM
Haha, slowest round winner ever  ;D

Grats, mate!
Yeah, the magic of GB's setups is that while they're oversteery - making turning an easy thing! - they are still progressive and stable.   Creating an oversteery setup is easy.  Tuning it to this balanced state - that's the magic.
The only issue is if you yank the wheel to the side, you need to be prepared to catch the rear :)

It also depends on driving style; I remember Darren Marsh, still; his setups were generally way understeery, the only way to drive them anywhere fast was to be 100% correct on entry, otherwise you went wide with no way to correct.   But he made them work the bugger, he used to be one of the aliens.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: AGK on May 21, 2019, 11:53:04 PM
Thanks for the racing.

Fun but eventful race for me.

Qualifying, didn't make a single clean lap, so was positioned to start at the rear.

But I never made it to the start line for race 1, my game locked up as the race was about to start and I had to quit and rejoin, when I rejoined about 40s of the race had already passed. Made up quite a few positions before crashing head on into a fence, surprisingly car was still okay and managed to finish 9th without pitting - picking up one position (AbleArcher) at the final corner.

Race 2 'Bradbury' win was a lot of luck with faster guys in front of me crashing out, and avoiding the Eau Rouge pile up and trying to stay consistent. Fun racing with Joe behind me most of the race putting on the pressure and he almost caught me right up to the finish line.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Freezer on May 22, 2019, 11:00:19 AM
Race 1 was a case like many of trying to keep it together, and until the end of lap 6 that was going well when the smallest tap on a wall saw me go around.  Thankfully
no great damage and two spots lost and I was able to continue to get home 5th.

Race 2.  I got a great jump from Bird and pulled alongside kcender.  I lifted into turn 1 and admittedly went slightly left but was hit from behind by a late braking Bird.
My question as to the penalty to me is did my squeezing left cause it or did Bird miss the brake mark and was going to hit me anyway ( I only ask this based on Bird's suggestion post race that this may have been the case).  From the cockpit at the time I felt I was well past him and attempted to carefully take the turn and was hit from behind.

I pushed on from there until Lap 6 where a bit of a tank slapper getting on the main straight saw Killa slide by, but then I moved slightly left to avoid the upcoming pit lane line and a slight touch saw us both go around, so apologies to Killa for that.  Thankfully we both got going!
After that distraction I had one of those brain fade moments forgetting where I was on track and ploughed straight ahead at the end of the Kemmel straight  :o ::).  With bad steering damage I limped around for a quick pit and got going.  Then on the final lap I slipped by Seanus but he tagged the back of me toward the end of the lap sending me off into the forest . . !!  So I finished the race but not without a few dramas.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Bacchulum on May 22, 2019, 11:06:49 AM
Race 1:
WOOHOO!

Race 2:
AARRGGGHHH!!!
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Joe on May 22, 2019, 11:18:55 AM
Qualified 4th with my 30kg ballast so was happy with that.

Race 1 on lap 2 I came off; I put a rear tyre on the grass on that big sweeping right before the back straight starts (I suck with names). Got really loose and I knew Freezer was close behind and didn't want to take him out so pulled onto the grass on the other side of the track to try and let him get by not know that lead into a ditch and a wall which I t-boned the wrecked the car. Back to the pits and a 40 second penalty and came out just in front on kcender a lap down. Let him by, then a little later let GB by. Bacculum was the a little way back and wasn't really gaining much but I'd hate to have spun a lap down and ruin his race so I pulled over on one of the straight to let him by. After that I kept in that spot not far behind Bacculum until the end of the race. Think without my wreck that's likely where I would have finished.

Race 2 was much better. Picked up a little damage with the pileup at the start but then slipped through in 5th I think. Was chasing AGK and killa for a while until AGK made a pass on killa. A couple of laps later I passed killa at the same spot. Then the chase was on with AGK; he was 2.8 seconds ahead and was chipping away at it lap by lap. Bacculum then fell off getting promoted into 3rd, then kcender did the same thing and was up into 2nd. By the final lap was right on AGKs tail and we went around la source nearly side by side. I got really sloppy on exit and I think had I not it would have been possible to have got him on the line. Great chase though AGK and great consistency.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Wally on May 22, 2019, 12:01:12 PM

My question as to the penalty to me is did my squeezing left cause it or did Bird miss the brake mark and was going to hit me anyway ( I only ask this based on Bird's suggestion post race that this may have been the case).  From the cockpit at the time I felt I was well past him and attempted to carefully take the turn and was hit from behind.

Bird was braking quite early before the corner, and the point of the "keep to your side of the track" rule is to avoid these kinds of incidents while the opening two corners are congested. So I think the penalty is justified because you did move across to the left of the track mid-corner.
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: kcender87 on May 22, 2019, 12:38:22 PM
good fun at spa - super tense to get a clean and fast lap in here as you are punished for not carrying max speed through the corners as they are all followed by mega straights

First run was good - my starts still have Webber written all over them but can usually be cured with a good draft

Second race had a great run with Bach 2 wide through Burnenville and also into the Masta Kink which was ... terrifying :P relly good racing though :) Later on I had a lapse in concentration and woke up in the middle of Burnenville and took a trip to the house followed by a visit to the ditch.

If anyone wants a looksee - I have attached the setup for the Lotus I used here - same for qual as for race as the fuel load changes all the heights and therefore alignment but they stay within the range where they work so was good for the whole race :) ** edit - should be a reasonable starting point if not well suited for imola as well depending on gearing on the 'straight'
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Bird on May 22, 2019, 12:46:11 PM
I lifted into turn 1 and admittedly went slightly left but was hit from behind by a late braking Bird.
My question as to the penalty to me is did my squeezing left cause it or did Bird miss the brake mark and was going to hit me anyway ( I only ask this based on Bird's suggestion post race that this may have been the case).  From the cockpit at the time I felt I was well past him and attempted to carefully take the turn and was hit from behind.

It is a fair question; I've blamed myself for the accident first, I thought I did not give you room.  I've tried to brake hard as I saw you coming across the track, and tried to squeeze to the left even more, but that was all I could do.  You were indeed slightly ahead, but as the accident shows; not much.
It seems you automatically assumed the corner was yours, while I assumed I had the inside line clear, and the two were incompatible.  Unlucky.

The reason the blame landed with you is solely the rule that you need to keep your line in the first couple of corners.    Which is interesting when we start 3-wide, btw. :)
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Freezer on May 22, 2019, 01:16:45 PM
It is a fair question; I've blamed myself for the accident first, I thought I did not give you room.  I've tried to brake hard as I saw you coming across the track, and tried to squeeze to the left even more, but that was all I could do.  You were indeed slightly ahead, but as the accident shows; not much.
It seems you automatically assumed the corner was yours, while I assumed I had the inside line clear, and the two were incompatible.  Unlucky.
The reason the blame landed with you is solely the rule that you need to keep your line in the first couple of corners.    Which is interesting when we start 3-wide, btw. :)
Thanks Bird, yes I did assume that somewhat as you were initially a cars length behind, the next . . contact!
I am cool with the rule, just thought there may have been more to it . . . on to Imola!
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: ab156 on May 22, 2019, 02:23:36 PM
Shocking night.  Hard to believe that the only requirement was to do each corner 8 times.  Too much for me...
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: rooshooter on May 22, 2019, 02:25:49 PM
Congratulations to al the podium people here, just to finish is an achievement in itself :)
Thanks for the replay Wally, there was some jaw dropping high speed ,side by side racing to watch , brilliant  :o :o 8) 8).
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on May 22, 2019, 05:46:53 PM
Congrats to everyone who finished.  What a great track.  They certainly don't make them like that any more... with good reason judging by all the crashes.

Unfortunately I was getting stuttering which got progressively worse.  I didn't have this issue offline so I can only imagine my comp couldn't handle all the extra cars.  In the end my screen skipped from me entering a corner to the barrier which put me out of the first race, but I enjoyed watching Bird and co. battle it out in close proximity.

Second race I was considering not starting as I didn't want my computer to skip me into the back of someone, but instead I got tangled up in the first corner chaos.  I managed to get going again with broken stuff and was coming up on someone - Freezer maybe - who spun in front of me and I collected on my way through.  I don't think it was going to end well regardless anyway.

So still had some fun, and truth be told I was glad to finish up at a reasonable hour.

Looking forward to the next track.

BIG CONGRATULATIONS to AGK on his (I assume) first race win.  Great to see!

Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Simone on May 23, 2019, 08:58:47 AM
Not very good,i cant finish a race and maybe the cause of it is that i am not drinking vino anymore during races but hey!!......here a positive outcome!!!   I was much faster than wally and thats itself is an achievement.
 First race.......cant remember  what happened?

Second race i was nice in 10th when guybrush text message appeared on top of the monitor(guybrush left the race).....look at it for a fraction and after that i found myself chewing grass with the cows. i am happy i still doing those classic mistakes cause it means one thing only.......i am still a farking idiot!!!

lololol   see you at imola.......wally........you better get your act together mate!!!!
Title: Re: S28R3: Spa 1966
Post by: Wally on May 23, 2019, 09:21:49 AM


lololol   see you at imola.......wally........you better get your act together mate!!!!
You've set your bar too low Simone!