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Re: Test run - Ferrari F2004 at Imola
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2018, 11:04:10 PM »
Daniel was my cousin, invited him to have a go :)

I tried doing the 1 stop on meds and it flopped haha i didnt do any heavy load laps in prac so when i decided to make the car 130kg heavier for the race it was a basket case and caught me out, the car on full fuel was very understeery and bottomed out a bit so defs need to change the set for the race. The potential is there for it to be done but your way slower than everyone around you and you really have to be on the ball with the car as it changes characteristics in the stint but if you drove it right and kept it in the 21's it may work, daniel was going ok with it but he had less fuel than me in the first stint, he was going for a 1 stop but didnt know how to pit lol. If the tyre wear was less it could be interesting otherwise it is very hard towards the end of the stint when all the tyres are red lol, i should try hards maybe they will work better if there not too much slower.
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Re: Test run - Ferrari F2004 at Imola
« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2018, 08:25:42 AM »
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Re: Test run - Ferrari F2004 at Imola
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2018, 08:53:27 AM »
Hadn't done any practise but was quite happy how I went between crashes. It was mostly hotlapping but I enjoyed it.

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Re: Test run - Ferrari F2004 at Imola
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2018, 09:02:46 AM »
What sort of wing was kcender and Matthew using I wonder, I Find these very hard to know where to start with a setup
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Re: Test run - Ferrari F2004 at Imola
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2018, 09:07:13 AM »
Went with 3 stint meds and carried just enough fuel for each stint (ran out of fuel just after finish line), it worked out OK for me but I'm just not fast enough, mainly consistency, I had a couple of off's, heaps of cuts and I think I had about 3 10sec penalties. With the meds I was faster than the other guys with hard but it was really hard pass them. Caused an incident with Wally but redressed (sorry). Still a pretty cool race night, though I think the slower more forgiving cars are more my thing.

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Re: Test run - Ferrari F2004 at Imola
« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2018, 09:12:40 AM »
I like these longer races. I don't mind if it's not all door to door racing, but instead trying to bridge that gap or hold the gap to the car behind. Also strategy decisions will come into it at different circuits where you might be happy to let people get away while your playing the long game and trying to do one less pit stop.

I had too many offs for my liking last night, but can't complain with the outcome. I was watching tyre wear and gaps all through the race. Had some close racing with Matthew who was on a different strategy. Thought Wally was doing a one stopper and I was going to have to catch and pass him on track if I wanted the place, but then he made another stop.

Wally: regarding cuts that aren't cuts. I know that PLP has the green/red light to tell you if you are going to get a cut when you come back on but I usually don't see it. Maybe make it bigger or an option to make it bigger so you can't miss the red light. I don't even know where I got the cuts last night.
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Re: Test run - Ferrari F2004 at Imola
« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2018, 09:29:12 AM »
pretty sure my set is close to stock, ill post it soon. I think i had too much wing i noticed i had a lot of people close in on me on the straights unless it was the fuel load.
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Re: Test run - Ferrari F2004 at Imola
« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2018, 09:47:04 AM »
...Wally: regarding cuts that aren't cuts...

IMHO
Three cuts at the same corner and\or three cuts on any given lap.
 
Three cuts for the entire race is too restrictive and panders to those of the Jack booted persuasion.
The above limits still serve the original function of track limits, that is to stop cheating, and I don't think you'll find anybody complaining about said limits after the race, as is a regular thing now.(And I include those who no longer complain as they realise brick walls and heads don't meet well)
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Re: Test run - Ferrari F2004 at Imola
« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2018, 09:59:01 AM »
My set up was basically stock, only adjusted camber with the camber app, minor change to ratio, and dropped a little off the wings. Maybe a minor tweak to suspension, stiffer front softer rear but can't remember if I saved that. My gearing and aero felt I had a decent balance of top speed and corner grip but there were others that passed me easy in the slip stream. I also like to keep the wheel alignment as close to zero as possible with slight negative front and slight positive rear (pretty much with all cars, less drag and tyre wear). Oh and tyre pressure with Wally's app

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Re: Test run - Ferrari F2004 at Imola
« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2018, 10:38:46 AM »
That's the set I ran was great in qual.
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Re: Test run - Ferrari F2004 at Imola
« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2018, 10:39:23 AM »
I am not opening PLP cuts to discussion, because we've been round and round this umpteen times. Just stay on the track - it's that simple. Keep it on the black stuff. This is not the Dakkar Rally - you can't have a track without boundaries, and the track boundaries are the same for everyone.

PLP only detects when all 4 wheels are outside what is considered valid track surface. If you can't keep at least 1 wheel on the track, back off a little, clean up your line.

Here are some examples of what the app reports as cuts and what is safe at Imola.

SAFE on the left, CUT on the right, at the same track location. Look at how far you can be outside the white lines and still be considered safe.













We all know that AC has different boundaries at different tracks, particularly in terms of runoff areas. The game is what it is. You have plenty of time to learn where the limits are.

What I will consider is increasing the number of warnings before you get a penalty, due to the length of the race and the number of laps.
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Re: Test run - Ferrari F2004 at Imola
« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2018, 10:49:23 AM »
... Jack booted persuasion....

Never has my signature and the above quote been so appropriate.
(no not the second part of my sig', that's a joke)

Despite your protestations it still stands that the current PLP config leads to dissent, whereas my config I would hope would lead to nigh on all members being happy AND still serving all that PLP was designed for in the first place.
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Re: Test run - Ferrari F2004 at Imola
« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2018, 10:55:33 AM »
That's the set I ran was great in qual.

Thanks,  I ran way to little wing, it was hard to be consistent, Had to be spot on for a decent lap which was hard to replicate to often,  I was 12f and 14R
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Re: Test run - Ferrari F2004 at Imola
« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2018, 10:59:03 AM »
...Wally: regarding cuts that aren't cuts...
... Jack booted persuasion....

Never has my signature and the above quote been so appropriate.
(no not the second part, that's a joke)

Despite your protestations it still stands that the current PLP config leads to dissent, whereas my config I would hope would lead to nigh on all members being happy AND still serving all that PLP was designed for in the first place.

I don't understand your aversion to track limits. A track is defined by it's limits, it's boundaries. How can you define a track and then not expect people to stay on it? That doesn't even make sense to me.

I thought about the "number of cuts at a given corner" idea, and that has some merits, but it's fairly complicated. I'd have to keep a number of warnings per corner - that's doable - but then how do you know how many warnings you've had at each corner? You'd never take in the number of warnings flashing up each time you drove through a corner, especially at the speed of the F2004. I think the best compromise is just to increase the number of warnings due to the longer race.

The worst offender went outside of track limits 24 times! Matthew only went outside once.
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Re: Test run - Ferrari F2004 at Imola
« Reply #44 on: April 25, 2018, 11:00:59 AM »
...Wally: regarding cuts that aren't cuts...
... Jack booted persuasion....

Never has my signature and the above quote been so appropriate.
(no not the second part, that's a joke)

Despite your protestations it still stands that the current PLP config leads to dissent, whereas my config I would hope would lead to nigh on all members being happy AND still serving all that PLP was designed for in the first place.


It only leads to dissent because people never like getting busted, for anything. People who manage to stay within the track don't complain. People who get caught speeding cry "revenue raising!"; people who don't speed don't care.

I don't understand your aversion to track limits. A track is defined by it's limits, it's boundaries. How can you define a track and then not expect people to stay on it? That doesn't even make sense to me.

I thought about the "number of cuts at a given corner" idea, and that has some merits, but it's fairly complicated. I'd have to keep a number of warnings per corner - that's doable - but then how do you know how many warnings you've had at each corner? You'd never take in the number of warnings flashing up each time you drove through a corner, especially at the speed of the F2004. I think the best compromise is just to increase the number of warnings due to the longer race.

The worst offender went outside of track limits 24 times! Matthew only went outside once.
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