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Re: S28R2: Suzuka 1988
« Reply #75 on: May 17, 2019, 12:35:19 PM »
I was following that one in the race I think.
From my car when it happened and from the replay, my thought was, and is that the car on the inside screwed up.

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I'm not Wally, and it's his call.  He makes 'em and I respect them even if I think he's not quite right :) (It is very rare that I think he's not quite right)
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Re: S28R2: Suzuka 1988
« Reply #76 on: May 17, 2019, 03:38:47 PM »
You have to enable free camera in one of the settings ini's in the AC folder I believe.
Yeah, it's a bit obscure. Some spherical coords setting has to be 0 in a system camera cfg file (I can't remember the exact details now, but I'm sure you can find it).
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Re: S28R2: Suzuka 1988
« Reply #77 on: May 17, 2019, 03:42:32 PM »
Well, the consensus seems to be that Brad was in the wrong here, so I will issue Brad a penalty for next round. Because he already had a penalty, he'll have penalty ballast in both race 1 and 2.
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Re: S28R2: Suzuka 1988
« Reply #78 on: May 17, 2019, 03:53:15 PM »
You have to enable free camera in one of the settings ini's in the AC folder I believe.
Yeah, it's a bit obscure. Some spherical coords setting has to be 0 in a system camera cfg file (I can't remember the exact details now, but I'm sure you can find it).


I've found the free cam setting easily enough in the assetto_corsa.ini.  This allows the F5 cam.   Maybe you can extend its range by some other obscure config?

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Re: S28R2: Suzuka 1988
« Reply #79 on: May 17, 2019, 05:49:55 PM »
Well, the consensus seems to be that Brad was in the wrong here, so I will issue Brad a penalty for next round. Because he already had a penalty, he'll have penalty ballast in both race 1 and 2.

Having read the abuse in this thread over the past 48 hours it seems that if you don't agree with Wally you just abuse the forum until you get your own way, which is simply appalling!

We've been all been on the wrong end of something and I don't think anyone I've raced here does this things deliberately, heck I know I certainly don't. At the time of the said incident I thought it was 50/50 as I thought it was a silly place for a passing car to put themselves knowing the speed being traveled with an extremely short time to react before the corner, plus these cars are hard enough to keep control of as it is. 

From some of posts here it seems people think this was a cold, calculated act, performed deliberately to ruins Seanus' day and that he's been hard done by. It most certainly was not. We all make mistakes but it's how we conduct ourselves which makes the difference. Seeing the kangaroo court has spoken, I'll just park it for next week's racing because if this is how people want to conduct themselves then, quite frankly, I have better things I can do with my spare time.....

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Re: S28R2: Suzuka 1988
« Reply #80 on: May 17, 2019, 06:05:43 PM »
Brad, it may have been a hairy pass (I don't think it was, but let's say) - but after the pass you've been on the inside.  Then you made a mistake.  Nobody said you deliberately knocked the other car off track.
But the car in front did nothing wrong, went straight towards the corner & started braking.  That could not be accounted as a fault in any way or form IMO.  But happy to hear your argument; how is this a racing mistake at all?

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Re: S28R2: Suzuka 1988
« Reply #81 on: May 17, 2019, 06:12:13 PM »
Well, the consensus seems to be that Brad was in the wrong here, so I will issue Brad a penalty for next round. Because he already had a penalty, he'll have penalty ballast in both race 1 and 2.

Having read the abuse in this thread over the past 48 hours it seems that if you don't agree with Wally you just abuse the forum until you get your own way, which is simply appalling!

We've been all been on the wrong end of something and I don't think anyone I've raced here does this things deliberately, heck I know I certainly don't. At the time of the said incident I thought it was 50/50 as I thought it was a silly place for a passing car to put themselves knowing the speed being traveled with an extremely short time to react before the corner, plus these cars are hard enough to keep control of as it is. 

From some of posts here it seems people think this was a cold, calculated act, performed deliberately to ruins Seanus' day and that he's been hard done by. It most certainly was not. We all make mistakes but it's how we conduct ourselves which makes the difference. Seeing the kangaroo court has spoken, I'll just park it for next week's racing because if this is how people want to conduct themselves then, quite frankly, I have better things I can do with my spare time.....
Brad, no one ever accused you of anything deliberately malicious. It's clearly just an honest racing incident. I have made an effort to stop the abuse, which was certainly directed at me alone, the way I see it. As I've done before, if I make a judgement that people think is questionable, I open it up for discussion with a video, and if enough people disagree with my call, I change it. This is not the first time we've done this.
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Re: S28R2: Suzuka 1988
« Reply #82 on: May 20, 2019, 04:47:29 PM »
Brad, it may have been a hairy pass (I don't think it was, but let's say) - but after the pass you've been on the inside.  Then you made a mistake.  Nobody said you deliberately knocked the other car off track.
But the car in front did nothing wrong, went straight towards the corner & started braking.  That could not be accounted as a fault in any way or form IMO.  But happy to hear your argument; how is this a racing mistake at all?

I know it's a waste of my breath, but I'll type it anyway.....

In my opinion I felt it was reckless move by Seanus. At the time,  it felt like there was side to side contact during the pass and from my mirrors it looked like he was passing on the grass. The next I know he's braking in front of me and I honestly thought he was brake testing me! I felt like I had not time to avoid the contact because Seanus was braking a lot earlier than expected.

As these are split second decisions, it is why I had believed that Wally was right in calling it a racing incident as we both contributed to the accident. I never portrayed myself as totally innocent, but I certainly find it hard to accept I was totally responsible for this either, as is now the case after being issued a penalty. For me, it doesn't matter I'll still drive the same way be it lap 1, lap 9 or lap 100.

Regardless, I now know if I get bumped off the track on lap one and a penalty isn't applied that I need to follow Seanus lead and just write abusive posts until the decision is reversed....lesson learned.

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Re: S28R2: Suzuka 1988
« Reply #83 on: May 20, 2019, 05:18:49 PM »
Regardless, I now know if I get bumped off the track on lap one and a penalty isn't applied that I need to follow Seanus lead and just write abusive posts until the decision is reversed....lesson learned.
I believe that is incorrect (I think Seanus' posts hardened Wally to stand his ground).
It was the views of the other members that weren't involved that swayed his mind.
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Re: S28R2: Suzuka 1988
« Reply #84 on: May 20, 2019, 07:04:10 PM »
Regardless, I now know if I get bumped off the track on lap one and a penalty isn't applied that I need to follow Seanus lead and just write abusive posts until the decision is reversed....lesson learned.

I can pretty much guarantee if you do that you'll find the same level of assessment made and may end up with a penalty anyway if it goes to community court. I do not like abuse on the forums, particularly towards Wally, or anyone giving their time and efforts to allow us to race, and it did not please me to see it.  Seanus's reaction on the forum pissed me off to be honest and if I was a dick I would have apportioned blame to him just for being abusive.

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I saw the incident in-car as it happened, and thought the inside car made a mistake because it drifted over, made contact and knocked the outside car (which was holding a straight line) off the circuit. I didn't bother to find out who was inside or outside, and couldn't remember who was in the inside car, which is why I said the inside car screwed up rather than apportion blame to a driver.
Upon watching the replay provided by Wally it seemed the same, and as far as braking is concerned, my brake marker was exactly where the outside cars was, just before the tower on the right.
Far from being a Kangaroo court I think you'll find everyone objectively looked at it and made pretty much the same assessment.
Things can look different from inside your cockpit, and in mirrors but the way I saw it was, as described.

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Re: S28R2: Suzuka 1988
« Reply #85 on: May 20, 2019, 08:53:17 PM »
Regardless, I now know if I get bumped off the track on lap one and a penalty isn't applied that I need to follow Seanus lead and just write abusive posts until the decision is reversed....lesson learned.
No, what you do is disagree with my decision, and if I still don't think it's clear one way or the other, I'll see what everyone else thinks. That's what we've done before, on several occasions. Don't get blinded by Seanus' language... the process was the same. Abuse is not required to get a decision re-considered!
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Re: S28R2: Suzuka 1988
« Reply #86 on: May 20, 2019, 10:11:17 PM »
I was being a dick, and unfortunately that's how it works for me. I can't react without overreacting, I apologise when I can, albeit too late or passively and in anycase it never improves my reputation.

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Re: S28R2: Suzuka 1988
« Reply #87 on: May 21, 2019, 07:24:06 AM »
All good Seanus. Thanks for the apology. I've got a thick skin and filter emotion out of most things. I am a computer programmer after all ;)
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