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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Thursday Nights fun racing => Topic started by: Phil.8 on June 30, 2016, 10:27:40 PM
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Could I suggest a test run after the end of this season at Paul Riccard WTCC layout in the MTX and the MX-5 Cup.
http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/paul-ricard.6115/
http://zizhgames.ru/en/our-mods/mods-for-assetto-corsa/metalex-mtx1-03-en/
MTX this week, unless you want both cars at the same time
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Let's focus on testing the MTX to see if it is good enough for a season.
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Server is up
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Server is up
you sure work fast, thanks
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I have started using RSR and "Friends Leaderboard" to see if we can get an indication of target laptimes. Robin has posted some times as well.
Time is currently in the 1:38s....Phil will probably be in the 1:35s!!! Unless the new pedals make him slower that is??? 8) 8)
Perhaps this car will level the playing field a bit though???
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Quote from @Bacchulum aka the openwheeler master...
"The MTX is a nice, stable car. Easy to push, a bit under powered per grip, but has that historic feel to it. 8) "
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I have started using RSR and "Friends Leaderboard" to see if we can get an indication of target laptimes. Robin has posted some times as well.
Time is currently in the 1:38s....Phil will probably be in the 1:35s!!! Unless the new pedals make him slower that is??? 8) 8)
Perhaps this car will level the playing field a bit though???
Which is highly possible :)
Finally have them mounted and setup and ready to see if i can drive with them. Just feeling them without driving though they feel pretty amazing
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1:37s now!!! NOT me :(
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I have started using RSR and "Friends Leaderboard" to see if we can get an indication of target laptimes. Robin has posted some times as well.
Time is currently in the 1:38s....Phil will probably be in the 1:35s!!! Unless the new pedals make him slower that is??? 8) 8)
Perhaps this car will level the playing field a bit though???
Isnt your practice server running stracker? there is no better way of comparing times.
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Nah, it isn't. RSR is pretty limited too. Wish there was a "liveracers" type of app for AC.
This is one of those cars I'm hopeless in. Back to fighting for last place.. ::)
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Why dont you guys run stracker then, RSR is fairly useless now since it shows nothing but laptime and speed. It used to show more before but it was wrong anyway lol so I guess no data is better then made up data. That friends app is even more useless as it shows nothing but time and only in hotlap sessions. People can turn off penalties or run whatever and so comparing times there is even more useless.
Stracker ptracker does everyhing needed especially if running your own server. But maybe the server Phil is using is not an open instance like the Amazon option others use and so he cant actually add plugins to it in which case you need sone other alternative.
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Stracker ptracker does everyhing needed especially if running your own server. But maybe the server Phil is using is not an open instance like the Amazon option others use and so he cant actually add plugins to it in which case you need sone other alternative.
Yeah they wont let me run it, I have asked
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RSR and Friends Leaderboard is good enough for what we want. It's just good to get an idea of laptimes.
I would also appreciate if some ghost files were posted. Here's mine for a 1:38.xx.
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I gave these cars a little run here, they seem ok and racing could be a bit of fun in them. Kind of like a kart with wings for looks more then functionality ;), I would upload my ghost Gratulin but I have never used one and tried to find where they may be saved with no luck.
Personally I would find a ghost terribly distracting and using a simple delta works very well when trying to improve a lap time. If you can tell me where the ghost is stored I can put it up if it saves them even when disabled.
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I gave these cars a little run here, they seem ok and racing could be a bit of fun in them. Kind of like a kart with wings for looks more then functionality ;), I would upload my ghost Gratulin but I have never used one and tried to find where they may be saved with no luck.
Personally I would find a ghost terribly distracting and using a simple delta works very well when trying to improve a lap time. If you can tell me where the ghost is stored I can put it up if it saves them even when disabled.
It is definitely too distracting if you don't use "Ghost Advantage". I find them a good learning tool with Ghost Advantage set to 1sec. I then chase my own shadow 8)
Limitation is that they are only saved in hotlap session I believe. They are in Assetto Corsa > GhostCar > "track name".
To "share a ghost" you need to save to the track folder and change drvier name to your own driver name.
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I dont have a Ghost folder so seems if you have ghost disabled it never even makes the folder, its the first thing I turned off in AC. If using stracker on a server you can select any other lap as the comparison lap and this then lets you use that lap as your realtime delta. Though that doesnt help here but in the Tuesday practice server you can give that a go.
I checked our next tennis season and that starts up in a couple weeks so unless its raining I wont be able to make many races, with the practice server being used here I dont know if Phils is paid up in advance or if he pays just for up time. I could fairly easily host the server on mine if anyone would want stracker running. On my instance I am able to run 6 servers without issues but they arent getting all that much use anyway. So I could also host the thurs practice if that saves Phil some money as my server is paid up for 12 months and it costs no more to keep them up 24/7.
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Thanks marty, we have a few month of credit yet on the server, but after that if the offer still stands it could be handy
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Thanks marty, we have a few month of credit yet on the server, but after that if the offer still stands it could be handy
My server just got renewed this month so got nearly 12 months left still, let me know when yours is up and I can host your prac server. You could even run it for your race nites Id only need to give you admin access to it as I may not be around that many Thurs nites.
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Thanks :) , I will chuck in money to put towards yours when we do it :)
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Thanks Marty and ditto to Phil's statement, happy to contribute.
Especially since I just won 4th prize in this year's PBS Radiothon Fund Raiser giveaways! 3 Month unlimited pass for 2 to Cinema Nova (Carlton VIC
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We could run two different track in the fun run this Thursday to try out a longer track? I did some testing and it is OK on the longer tracks.
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We could run two different track in the fun run this Thursday to try out a longer track? I did some testing and it is OK on the longer tracks.
That paul ricard wtc track is not too bad though, mostly I think Vallelunga club would be better replaced with Vallelunga classic from your track list. As the club version feels like doing laps in a bathtub even with a slow car. ;)
You could also try 1 longer track though to see how these cars would go in a bigger circuit.
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You could also try 1 longer track though to see how these cars would go in a bigger circuit.
Nordschleiffe? ;)
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Yes. I think Vallelunga Classic is actually the best combo.
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You could also try 1 longer track though to see how these cars would go in a bigger circuit.
Nordschleiffe? ;)
Maybe we should revisit Gentrack1?
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Sry guys...The body is suffering tonight so not going to get to the start line. Have a good one... ;)
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Good fun tonight. Was not as close racing as I had expected.
I am away next week however another practise night next Thursday at the same track might be a good idea? The car-track combo is pretty good and giving poeple a second chance at the same combo would be useful.
Also.....
Phil has offered to run a "coaching session" during the practise time 8pm-8:30pm for anyone interested in getting a handle on these little cars.
See you at the Redbull Ring for Round 1!!!
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The coaching session is a good idea. Phil had so much more pace. Maybe fixed set ups would be good too?
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@Wally, it would also be great if we could turn PLP lights on/off on the night. I have set PLP to be on for Tuesday and Thursday. Last night I dismissed the app which turned the lights off for me but the 20sec penalty was still issued. If everyone was able to turn PLP on last night we probably would have used it.
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The coaching session is a good idea. Phil had so much more pace. Maybe fixed set ups would be good too?
I will try, I haven't done anything like that before, In iracing on a Sunday night the skip barber community would have a track lesson from one of the fast dudes. He would drive around a lap very slowly doing his lines and sometimes nearly stopping saying stuff like gears and brake points
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The coaching session is a good idea. Phil had so much more pace. Maybe fixed set ups would be good too?
I will try, I haven't done anything like that before, In iracing on a Sunday night the skip barber community would have a track lesson from one of the fast dudes. He would drive around a lap very slowly doing his lines and sometimes nearly stopping saying stuff like gears and brake points
They also did a video of them driving the track with a right up on the corners and gears, that could be studied, but that might be beyond me :)
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The coaching session is a good idea. Phil had so much more pace. Maybe fixed set ups would be good too?
I will try, I haven't done anything like that before, In iracing on a Sunday night the skip barber community would have a track lesson from one of the fast dudes. He would drive around a lap very slowly doing his lines and sometimes nearly stopping saying stuff like gears and brake points
I think that you doing a couple of laps with people riding with you as you comment on each corner would be good. As well as the iracing-style follow the leader around the circuit.
They also did a video of them driving the track with a right up on the corners and gears, that could be studied, but that might be beyond me :)
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@Wally, it would also be great if we could turn PLP lights on/off on the night. I have set PLP to be on for Tuesday and Thursday. Last night I dismissed the app which turned the lights off for me but the 20sec penalty was still issued. If everyone was able to turn PLP on last night we probably would have used it.
Why not just turn PLP off on Thursdays? It's not really used on Thursdays.
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The coaching session is a good idea. Phil had so much more pace. Maybe fixed set ups would be good too?
I dont think setup is that much, its just a tricky car to drive at the limit. It took me until race 2 to get to Phils pace but I was still slow in a couple corners. Pushing a fraction harder made it likely to loose the car entirely as it needed to be driven pretty agressive with a fine line of what you can and cant save. The closer you push to the cant save the quicker it went but also more risk.
Its very much like driving karts where you get them sliding a fair bit, unfortunatly the times wont be as close as it comes to really pushing hard for the ultimate pace out of them I think. Some guys just arent as comfortable in a car thats sliding around and these little things are that basic OW type car you need to push quite hard for pace.
Reverse grid for race 2 I think works well but you could try fixed setups next week, my initial gearing was nearly undriveable at this track though so if the fixed setup is no good then everyone will struggle. My car was so bad in quaky and race 1 Im amazed I finished those. All I changed for the other race was lengthened second and 3rd gear also raised the diff coast and brake bias more to the rear.
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I like the fixed setup so you're not left wondering if its the car or the driver. However the setup needs to be stable and easy to drive, sacrificing outright speed rather than some twitchy quali car.
Like Marty in the 3rd race I changed the diff power down and coast up which made much less prone to spinning but it seemed about a second slower.
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I found the car very prone to spin on the slow corners in particular. The worst corner for me was turn 1.
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I found the car very prone to spin on the slow corners in particular. The worst corner for me was turn 1.
T1 was an issue as it needed 2nd gear but getting down to it was licking rears on entry under compression. I dont know if I ran default gears or may have gone 1 click down on final drive. I only drove a handful of laps there before the nite and jumped in at qualy. The setup I ran was no good but nothing I could do in qualy so I just stayed out and tried to drive around the issues.
Race 1 I still wasnt sure what the issues were so ran that and got an idea of what to change for the second race. I prefer open setups but I also dont mind just driving to what the car has so either adapt to it or make changes if possible.
The one thing thats tricky is having no idea what ideal pressures were and with not many laps it was just a pure guess. I was quite low early but raised it for the later races. Fixed setups may close up the racing a bit but when I ran fixed setups on my servers the time gaps were pretty much the same between the same people.
It makes it a bit easier as you dont need many laps to make any changes but in the end some will still get more out of it then others. Thats where ballast is another option that works well if done properly. It means the quicker guys will still need to push as hard as they can yet end laptimes should be ideally within 1 sec for all drivers.
The better guys will still be more consistant but I dont think ballast is good if it just reverses the grid. If it makes the quick guys slowest and slow guys fastest its just reversing the problem and more frustrating to the quicker guys that now have no chance.
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Has any of the fast guys posted their setup anywhere. I'm hopeless with this type of car and need all the help I can get... ::) :D
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Seems that we ran mostly default setup with just 2nd and 3rd raised a little.
If 3rd was too low I just spun if I changed down too early by accident. I managed to be in the 1:38 range for most laps and got some laps in the 1:37 range. Marty and Phil were only in the 1:36 range so I was pretty happy with that. Others seemed to have more "oversteer spin" issues that I did. If everyone is in the 1:38 range and don't spin it would be great.
These cars are great to drive and should produce a good fun season.
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I've only managed to crack :38 once. Seem to be stuck in the low 39's. Ah well, another week of practice... ;)
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Has any of the fast guys posted their setup anywhere. I'm hopeless with this type of car and need all the help I can get... ::) :D
If we are doing another run at the same track I will try get a few laps in during the week and post a setup. The options are fairly limited and with only 4 gears trying to sort these can be tricky. 1 possibility could be make 1st long enough for t1 and last turn and then you have the other 3 gears for the rest of the track. As it was, it was just 2nd and 3rd most of the way and these were all wrong for most corners. :D
I dont know how bad a tall 1st gear would be off the line or if you can even set ratios to really be closer to ideal at this track. Seems the mod has no engine/gearbox damage or server may have had it off so its not the issue but shifting down into the limiter acts very much like pulling the handbrake and with very short brake zones its quite tricky if the rear breaks away on entry.
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No guarantee that a fast set will help much. I think it's more a combination of the way I drive and aging reflexes. I'm more competitive in the historic type cars. Put me in modern race cars with grip and brakes and I struggle... :-\
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I dont think you need a fast set more one thats driveable, I think the one I had I wouldnt call it that but Im sure it should be quite possibe to make it better. It would be a challenge to make it any worse actually.
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No guarantee that a fast set will help much. I think it's more a combination of the way I drive and aging reflexes. I'm more competitive in the historic type cars. Put me in modern race cars with grip and brakes and I struggle... :-\
Jeez Slideways. This car was built in 1974 :D
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No guarantee that a fast set will help much. I think it's more a combination of the way I drive and aging reflexes. I'm more competitive in the historic type cars. Put me in modern race cars with grip and brakes and I struggle... :-\
Jeez Slideways. This car was built in 1974 :D
Maybe he thinks anything after 1967 is the modern era. ;D
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Yeah, I know... ;D But it has got a lot of grip and pretty amazing stopping power for it's time..... :D
They are a car, that for me, once you get to the very limit, requires quick reflexes to get you out of trouble. Chalk and cheese as opposed to the 60's F1 cars from last week or even the CSL Beemer.
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No guarantee that a fast set will help much. I think it's more a combination of the way I drive and aging reflexes. I'm more competitive in the historic type cars. Put me in modern race cars with grip and brakes and I struggle... :-\
Jeez Slideways. This car was built in 1974 :D
Maybe he thinks anything after 1967 is the modern era. ;D
LOL...Of course...Your point being???? ;D ;D
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I actually found that the default setup was better than my minor tweaks.
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Yeah, I tried the default and just tweaked 2nd and 3rd but was slower.....hehehe...it's just me.. ::) ::)
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I think we haven't been reading slideways' name carefully enough.....