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Title: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on January 31, 2017, 11:34:53 PM
2 x 19 laps at Red Bull Ring.

You will need the OSRW PIT MOD (http://www.mediafire.com/download/77t24tc6ffgfev3/Red_Bull_Ring_ALL_AC.1.7.rar) if you don't already have it. Unzip the download into your Steam assettocorsa folder.

Penalty Ballast (60kg)
RussG

Handicap (Success) Ballast
Because the pit stop delay isn't working reliably all the time, I'm going to switch to a cumulative success ballast, similar to how the pit stop hold accumulates, based on the previous overall round results as follows:

Round Results:
1st = +45 kg
2nd = +30 kg
3rd = +15 kg
4th = -15 kg
5th = -30 kg
6th and lower = -45 kg

So success ballast (for both races of this round, based on the overall round results at Spa), is as follows:
1. Kcender87, 45kg (he wasn't at Spa, but if he was, he would have probably won the round)
2. Phil.8, 30 kg
3. Diehard, 15 kg
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: grat on February 01, 2017, 12:07:32 AM
1. Kcender87, 60kg (he wasn't at Spa, but if he was, he would have probably won the round)
Ahahahaahah!
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: grat on February 01, 2017, 12:10:55 AM
@Wally: have you thought about grid penalties instead of ballast (you know I am not a fan of ballast since the FR3.5 season ;))?

Something like this:

1st = +3 positions
2nd = +2 positions
3rd = +1 position
4th = -1 position
5th = -2 positions
6th and lower = -3 positions

It seems simple enough and avoids the issue of having to set up the car differently at every single race.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Joe on February 01, 2017, 12:13:36 AM
Not a fan of ballast either. Maybe those with issues with the app could try a full reinstall of the app and reapply the wally patch? I've had no issues at all with it.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: grat on February 01, 2017, 12:16:13 AM
Not a fan of ballast either. Maybe those with issues with the app could try a full reinstall of the app and reapply the wally patch? I've had no issues at all with it.
Did that already when---during the week---the app did not work on the practice server. Unfortunately the problem seems to be a bit deeper than that.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Joe on February 01, 2017, 12:23:50 AM
Or just take the time that would be used as a pit handicap and deduct it from the qually time? Or is thos just making more dev work for you wally ;)
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on February 01, 2017, 07:57:09 AM
Or just take the time that would be used as a pit handicap and deduct it from the qually time? Or is thos just making more dev work for you wally ;)
From the race time, you mean? That's a bit artificial then. The point of handicaps and ballast is to put the front runners back into the field so they have to work a bit harder (and probably have more fun in the process!).
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: grat on February 01, 2017, 08:06:58 AM
Or just take the time that would be used as a pit handicap and deduct it from the qually time? Or is thos just making more dev work for you wally ;)
From the race time, you mean? That's a bit artificial then. The point of handicaps and ballast is to put the front runners back into the field so they have to work a bit harder (and probably have more fun in the process!).
I am pretty sure he meant from the quali time. So it is similar to my idea, but a little more complicated. Instead of adding grid positions, you add time to your best quali lap(s).

I still think the grid penalty would be the easiest to implement (though I know nothing of the code implementation issue) and an elegant solution that does not require spending a day to redo the setup every week.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Joe on February 01, 2017, 08:55:09 AM
Yeah i meant qually time but no idea how hard for you to implement. Say i did a 2:25, add my 6 second handicap to that making it a 2:31 and place me on the grid based on that time.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: grat on February 01, 2017, 08:58:07 AM
Yeah i meant qually time but no idea how hard for you to implement. Say i did a 2:25, add my 6 second handicap to that making it a 2:31 and place me on the grid based on that time.
Well, maybe I would scale down those 6 seconds.... 6 seconds in quali is not 6 seconds in race...
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Joe on February 01, 2017, 09:01:49 AM
Yeah i meant qually time but no idea how hard for you to implement. Say i did a 2:25, add my 6 second handicap to that making it a 2:31 and place me on the grid based on that time.
Well, maybe I would scale down those 6 seconds.... 6 seconds in quali is not 6 seconds in race...

It was just an example :)
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on February 01, 2017, 09:29:15 AM
1. Kcender87, 60kg (he wasn't at Spa, but if he was, he would have probably won the round)
Ahahahaahah!

wally has faith is us lol :)
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on February 01, 2017, 09:58:03 AM
1. Kcender87, 60kg (he wasn't at Spa, but if he was, he would have probably won the round)
Ahahahaahah!

wally has faith is us lol :)
We know he's fast. I didn't want him to get off scot free because he missed a round.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Joe on February 01, 2017, 10:02:11 AM
We need GB to come back and put him in his place  ;D
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Mael on February 01, 2017, 11:23:39 AM
Or just take the time that would be used as a pit handicap and deduct it from the qually time? Or is thos just making more dev work for you wally ;)

Or maybe simplify it by banning pitconfig and having a counter appear onscreen. Driver is not allowed to select pit options until counter shows 0?
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on February 01, 2017, 11:35:00 AM
For this Thursday I am thinking of who is fastest will have to start from pits with time penalty before they leave,  not sure if will work but am going to try it :) 
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: AJ on February 01, 2017, 11:44:11 AM
Or just take the time that would be used as a pit handicap and deduct it from the qually time? Or is thos just making more dev work for you wally ;)

Or maybe simplify it by banning pitconfig and having a counter appear onscreen. Driver is not allowed to select pit options until counter shows 0?

Then you're relying on people to honour both of those things. I'm sure the majority would, but there'd be no way to enforce it as far as I know.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: grat on February 01, 2017, 11:52:35 AM
I am not sure why nobody is commenting on my very simple proposal. There must be something I am not thinking about and you guys know, but can't figure it out yet...
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Bacchulum on February 01, 2017, 12:00:00 PM
I am not sure why nobody is commenting on my very simple proposal. There must be something I am not thinking about and you guys know, but can't figure it out yet...
The only issue I see with your suggestion is Wally would have to restart the server after qually and set the grid manually. :-\
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on February 01, 2017, 12:26:41 PM
I am not sure why nobody is commenting on my very simple proposal. There must be something I am not thinking about and you guys know, but can't figure it out yet...
The only issue I see with your suggestion is Wally would have to restart the server after qually and set the grid manually. :-\
Yeah, too fiddly. And you make up the difference on lap 1 anyway, half the time, even if you do start a few spots back. Ballast is easy and enforced by the server, without so much fiddling around.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: grat on February 01, 2017, 01:21:50 PM
I am not sure why nobody is commenting on my very simple proposal. There must be something I am not thinking about and you guys know, but can't figure it out yet...
The only issue I see with your suggestion is Wally would have to restart the server after qually and set the grid manually. :-\
Yeah, too fiddly. And you make up the difference on lap 1 anyway, half the time, even if you do start a few spots back. Ballast is easy and enforced by the server, without so much fiddling around.
I am not sure: if you can make up 4 positions in lap 1, then you can surely make up 6 or 10 seconds the whole race. And anyway it is just a matter of calibrating it: if you think it is not punitive enough, just add more positions. The fastest guy, added 10 seconds, arrives 3rd at most. Starting 8th, arrives 3rd as well, more or less.

Anyway: I do not want to create problems. I just feel strongly that it has been a joy to race without ballasts all the past few seasons. I also think ballast increases the chances of accidents, but that might be another story.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Simone on February 01, 2017, 01:25:39 PM
I don`t understand why Wally(who is a decent guy and very intelligent) is fixated on not only penalised the fast drivers,but also on loading a car with 3 or 4 bags of fertilizer....i mean....really????Actually the waiting in the pit "punishment" was great,really good but you guys r saying is not working properly....bugger.

Then again these days i got better things to be worried about,and thats a fact

nothing personal Wally as usual.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Joe on February 01, 2017, 01:42:07 PM
I am not sure why nobody is commenting on my very simple proposal. There must be something I am not thinking about and you guys know, but can't figure it out yet...
The only issue I see with your suggestion is Wally would have to restart the server after qually and set the grid manually. :-\
Yeah, too fiddly. And you make up the difference on lap 1 anyway, half the time, even if you do start a few spots back. Ballast is easy and enforced by the server, without so much fiddling around.
I am not sure: if you can make up 4 positions in lap 1, then you can surely make up 6 or 10 seconds the whole race. And anyway it is just a matter of calibrating it: if you think it is not punitive enough, just add more positions. The fastest guy, added 10 seconds, arrives 3rd at most. Starting 8th, arrives 3rd as well, more or less.

Anyway: I do not want to create problems. I just feel strongly that it has been a joy to race without ballasts all the past few seasons. I also think ballast increases the chances of accidents, but that might be another story.

I can't see how you'd make up all those positions that quickly which is why I spend a lot of time on the practice server to try and start in front of certain people. Maybe an easier way would be ballast for qually then take it off for the race. I just like to think I'm driving a car the way Kunos intended it to feel for it to be realistic. Ballast sometimes totally changes the way a car feels and handles which is essentially taking that realism away for me.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on February 01, 2017, 01:42:25 PM
It's all part of mixing it up. Sometimes there's ballast, sometimes there's not. The real life series has the handicapping for the winners.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Joe on February 01, 2017, 01:43:01 PM
No problem with a handicap, just a problem with changing the way a car feels.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Mael on February 01, 2017, 02:01:21 PM
loading a car with 3 or 4 bags of fertilizer

I always thought its the girls that go for the fast guys weighing the cars down  ;D
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: marty on February 01, 2017, 04:47:13 PM
loading a car with 3 or 4 bags of fertilizer

I always thought its the girls that go for the fast guys weighing the cars down  ;D

Slower guys get the bigger handicaps though with the bigger girls.  ;D
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: grat on February 01, 2017, 06:53:45 PM
loading a car with 3 or 4 bags of fertilizer

I always thought its the girls that go for the fast guys weighing the cars down  ;D

Slower guys get the bigger handicaps though with the bigger girls.  ;D
I love that Marty, from who knows where doing who knows what, made this, and only this post the whole week. :)

Hope you're having fun in the cold. :)
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: rooshooter on February 01, 2017, 06:58:24 PM
loading a car with 3 or 4 bags of fertilizer

I always thought its the girls that go for the fast guys weighing the cars down  ;D

Slower guys get the bigger handicaps though with the bigger girls.  ;D
LOL
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: marty on February 02, 2017, 01:02:51 AM
loading a car with 3 or 4 bags of fertilizer

I always thought its the girls that go for the fast guys weighing the cars down  ;D

Slower guys get the bigger handicaps though with the bigger girls.  ;D
I love that Marty, from who knows where doing who knows what, made this, and only this post the whole week. :)

Hope you're having fun in the cold. :)

I did make a couple others somewhere just nobody noticed them as they didnt stand out as much.  ;D

Cold it is, today will be snowboarding Lake Louise with a max temp of -17c and a min of -27c but was ok yesterday only a couple degrees warmer but shpuld be a bit of fun there.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Mael on February 02, 2017, 11:33:24 AM
I did make a couple others somewhere just nobody noticed them as they didnt stand out as much.  ;D

Cold it is, today will be snowboarding Lake Louise with a max temp of -17c and a min of -27c but was ok yesterday only a couple degrees warmer but shpuld be a bit of fun there.

We need some photos of Lake Louise!
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: marty on February 03, 2017, 06:01:54 PM
I did make a couple others somewhere just nobody noticed them as they didnt stand out as much.  ;D

Cold it is, today will be snowboarding Lake Louise with a max temp of -17c and a min of -27c but was ok yesterday only a couple degrees warmer but shpuld be a bit of fun there.

We need some photos of Lake Louise!

Way OT here so maybe Wally can move these posts but here are some pics from the amazing but frozen lake louise.

(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/2eca/b434i69v055d5544g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/b434i69v055d554/20170201_121251.jpg)

(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/7b82/ddozcsb9aqbkbqd4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/ddozcsb9aqbkbqd/2017-02-02_14.50.52.jpg)

(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/3494/zal5b50g31vdz884g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/zal5b50g31vdz88/2017-02-02_14.50.01.jpg)

(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/0029/ib6c5yyijlxx1784g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/ib6c5yyijlxx178/2017-02-02_14.55.50.jpg)

(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/4031/bapoarogbenqt6z4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/bapoarogbenqt6z/2017-02-02_14.35.08.jpg)
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on February 03, 2017, 07:27:24 PM
I'm sure none minds :)
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: doobs on February 03, 2017, 11:13:05 PM
#^%$#ing awesome Marty.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on February 04, 2017, 10:51:25 AM
yeah they look very cool
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on February 05, 2017, 09:20:37 AM
I am surprised ballast slows these cars so much, only 40kg and my times have gone from 1.33.7, with probably half a second to find, to cannot do better than a 1.35.5 and have to put the brake bias so far froward to counteract what I can only presume, being all the weight is over the rear end
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: grat on February 05, 2017, 09:43:46 AM
I am surprised ballast slows these cars so much, only 40kg and my times have gone from 1.33.7, with probably half a second to find, to cannot do better than a 1.35.5 and have to put the brake bias so far froward to counteract what I can only presume, being all the weight is over the rear end
Maybe that's too much :( If you win two races in a row (120Kg) you might as well stay in the pits and watch the race next week...
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on February 05, 2017, 09:58:47 AM
I am surprised ballast slows these cars so much, only 40kg and my times have gone from 1.33.7, with probably half a second to find, to cannot do better than a 1.35.5 and have to put the brake bias so far froward to counteract what I can only presume, being all the weight is over the rear end
I just did some testing with 40 kg ballast, and it slowed me down by 1.1 seconds. That might be a bit excessive, although a 1:35.5 still puts you in 10th place on the lap times: http://52.65.162.16:50041/lapstat?currservers=XGN%20Tuesdays (http://52.65.162.16:50041/lapstat?currservers=XGN%20Tuesdays).


I'll reduce the ballast a bit to 15kg, 30kg and 45kg (practice server updated).


Note there's a ballast app offline (one of the dev apps, so you have to have that enabled) where you can set your ballast to whatever you want for testing.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Simone on February 05, 2017, 10:03:11 AM
Ballast sucks...big time.It is a shame that the pit waiting is not working cause it would have been the ideal solution.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: RussG on February 05, 2017, 10:24:58 AM
I'll reduce the ballast a bit to 15kg, 30kg and 45kg (practice server updated).

Hey Wally,
How about reducing the 60kg I have for the incident last week (which I still claim is undeserved).
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on February 05, 2017, 10:47:05 AM
I'll reduce the ballast a bit to 15kg, 30kg and 45kg (practice server updated).

Hey Wally,
How about reducing the 60kg I have for the incident last week (which I still claim is undeserved).
Yeah, OK, I'll make that 45 as well.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: RussG on February 05, 2017, 10:52:31 AM
I'll reduce the ballast a bit to 15kg, 30kg and 45kg (practice server updated).

Hey Wally,
How about reducing the 60kg I have for the incident last week (which I still claim is undeserved).
Yeah, OK, I'll make that 45 as well.

 :o 8) ;D
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Simone on February 05, 2017, 10:56:13 AM
I'll reduce the ballast a bit to 15kg, 30kg and 45kg (practice server updated).

Hey Wally,
How about reducing the 60kg I have for the incident last week (which I still claim is undeserved).

Hey Russ how r you?....any chance to have a look at your undeserved incident?
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on February 05, 2017, 11:15:49 AM
I am surprised ballast slows these cars so much, only 40kg and my times have gone from 1.33.7, with probably half a second to find, to cannot do better than a 1.35.5 and have to put the brake bias so far froward to counteract what I can only presume, being all the weight is over the rear end
I just did some testing with 40 kg ballast, and it slowed me down by 1.1 seconds. That might be a bit excessive, although a 1:35.5 still puts you in 10th place on the lap times: http://52.65.162.16:50041/lapstat?currservers=XGN%20Tuesdays (http://52.65.162.16:50041/lapstat?currservers=XGN%20Tuesdays).


I'll reduce the ballast a bit to 15kg, 30kg and 45kg (practice server updated).


Note there's a ballast app offline (one of the dev apps, so you have to have that enabled) where you can set your ballast to whatever you want for testing.

i was not complaining, was more amazed how much a little ballast slows these
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: RussG on February 05, 2017, 11:34:07 AM
I'll reduce the ballast a bit to 15kg, 30kg and 45kg (practice server updated).

Hey Wally,
How about reducing the 60kg I have for the incident last week (which I still claim is undeserved).

Hey Russ how r you?....any chance to have a look at your undeserved incident?

Sure mate. I have no idea how to make a video, so grab the replay from here (http://www.mediafire.com/file/s3vjod825d1r3e4/ks_praga_r1%40spa-spa_osrw_20170131211639.7z (http://www.mediafire.com/file/s3vjod825d1r3e4/ks_praga_r1%40spa-spa_osrw_20170131211639.7z)). You will see the incident on lap 1. I hope you can see the pedal app.
As I see it, you squeezed  past on the turn (good pass), Then as we straightened up on the exit, you applied power, I applied power, then for whatever reason you cut power and slowed. As I was close behind, the tap occurred and you touched the wall. Then I braked for you to rejoin in front of me. You can see the accelerator positions on the pedal app by switching to the appropriate car.
I don't want to make a big deal of this, but I believe it was just a racing incident. However, I accept the decision of the stewards (even if I don't agree  ;D ;D)
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Simone on February 05, 2017, 12:16:13 PM
Hey Russ..........45 kg,sorry mate...MMMUUHAHAHAHAAA
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on February 05, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
I am surprised ballast slows these cars so much, only 40kg and my times have gone from 1.33.7, with probably half a second to find, to cannot do better than a 1.35.5 and have to put the brake bias so far froward to counteract what I can only presume, being all the weight is over the rear end
I just did some testing with 40 kg ballast, and it slowed me down by 1.1 seconds. That might be a bit excessive, although a 1:35.5 still puts you in 10th place on the lap times: http://52.65.162.16:50041/lapstat?currservers=XGN%20Tuesdays (http://52.65.162.16:50041/lapstat?currservers=XGN%20Tuesdays).


I'll reduce the ballast a bit to 15kg, 30kg and 45kg (practice server updated).


Note there's a ballast app offline (one of the dev apps, so you have to have that enabled) where you can set your ballast to whatever you want for testing.

i was not complaining, was more amazed how much a little ballast slows these
Yeah, no worries. I was a bit surprise too. If you were slowed by nearly 2 seconds, that would have equated to a 38 second pit hold, which is too much!

You will see the incident on lap 1. I hope you can see the pedal app.
As I see it, you squeezed  past on the turn (good pass), Then as we straightened up on the exit, you applied power, I applied power, then for whatever reason you cut power and slowed. As I was close behind, the tap occurred and you touched the wall. Then I braked for you to rejoin in front of me. You can see the accelerator positions on the pedal app by switching to the appropriate car.
I don't want to make a big deal of this, but I believe it was just a racing incident. However, I accept the decision of the stewards (even if I don't agree  ;D ;D )


Im going by memory now from when I reviewed the replay last Tuesday, but it didn't look to me like Simone slowed unusally.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Joe on February 05, 2017, 12:32:52 PM
I'll reduce the ballast a bit to 15kg, 30kg and 45kg (practice server updated).

Hey Wally,
How about reducing the 60kg I have for the incident last week (which I still claim is undeserved).

Hey Russ how r you?....any chance to have a look at your undeserved incident?

Sure mate. I have no idea how to make a video, so grab the replay from here (http://www.mediafire.com/file/s3vjod825d1r3e4/ks_praga_r1%40spa-spa_osrw_20170131211639.7z (http://www.mediafire.com/file/s3vjod825d1r3e4/ks_praga_r1%40spa-spa_osrw_20170131211639.7z)). You will see the incident on lap 1. I hope you can see the pedal app.
As I see it, you squeezed  past on the turn (good pass), Then as we straightened up on the exit, you applied power, I applied power, then for whatever reason you cut power and slowed. As I was close behind, the tap occurred and you touched the wall. Then I braked for you to rejoin in front of me. You can see the accelerator positions on the pedal app by switching to the appropriate car.
I don't want to make a big deal of this, but I believe it was just a racing incident. However, I accept the decision of the stewards (even if I don't agree  ;D ;D)

Well as discovered last week simones pedals were maxing out at 80% so probably explains it.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Simone on February 05, 2017, 05:25:08 PM
https://youtu.be/b9IqSF9TAwY

Hey Russ how R ya matey???!!!  lol   

Hey listen i think you r right i lift the throttle for a fraction cause i went a bit wide and  you don`t want accellerate on the green stuff there,,,,or you might go around.
So Russ is up to the steward,but i am afraid the decision is final....sorry mate....lolololololololololol

i left the pedals app on so you can see what both are doing,first clip is russ,second view is Simone...
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on February 05, 2017, 05:57:40 PM
Visually, there's not much slowing of Simone's car, and it still looks like a tag from the rear to me.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: RussG on February 05, 2017, 07:22:09 PM
Are you able to describe how to make a video?
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on February 05, 2017, 08:35:53 PM
1.34.5s with the ballast   , I don't know if that needs more fine tuning :)
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Simone on February 05, 2017, 08:40:52 PM
Are you able to describe how to make a video?

you need,,,,fraps  http://www.fraps.com/  you can get it is free,but you cant make movies longer than 30 sec,,,but its fine

you need movie maker in win.

you need a youtube account to upload youe video.

If you have never tried before recording actions from your game, install fraps click on "movies"  and while you run your replay you can catch and record your favourite moment by pressing any key you choose(its like when you talk on TS,same thing,on the fraps interface.The record will be then stored in any folder you waant,in the default case   computer/programs/fraps/movie.

Open movie maker click on "add a movie" go to the fraps/movie folder and double kick the record you just stored in there,edit it if you want in movie maker,and then save it "you must save it"

Open you tube and upload the movie you just saved it with movie maker.

(you can use movie maker to upload to youtube but for me never worked)

have fun......but i think you still pushed me off road....heheehehhee    :-* russ
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Joe on February 05, 2017, 09:38:20 PM
If you have nvidia you can use the recording tools in the geforce experience rather than fraps.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Seanus on February 05, 2017, 10:54:50 PM
...and it still looks like a tag from the rear to me.
Let the punishment fit the crime. There was sod all to that incident, neither purposeful nor negligent. The aggrieved party didn't spin and lost only a few places, the guilty party redressed, and said driver hardly needs to be made an example of.

I don't want to enter an argument, I just felt I should let RussG  know he is not alone.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: RussG on February 06, 2017, 12:45:48 AM
Thanks for the video making tips guys. I might try one sometime.

have fun......but i think you still pushed me off road....heheehehhee    :-* russ

Next time drive faster Simone :P  Bahahahah
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on February 06, 2017, 08:10:01 AM
Everyone who runs into the rear of someone on the opening lap and causes them to leave the track or lose positions is extremely likely to be penalised. It's a rule I've applied consistently.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Simone on February 06, 2017, 12:14:59 PM
Everyone who runs into the rear of someone on the opening lap and causes them to leave the track or lose positions is extremely likely to be penalised. It's a rule I've applied consistently.

....AMEN.....!!
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: grat on February 06, 2017, 06:44:22 PM
Everyone who runs into the rear of someone on the opening lap and causes them to leave the track or lose positions is extremely likely to be penalised. It's a rule I've applied consistently.

....AMEN.....!!
He wrote "someone", not "simone". You read wrong.  ;)
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Bacchulum on February 06, 2017, 07:24:48 PM
lol ;D ;D
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Simone on February 06, 2017, 08:47:33 PM
lol ;D ;D

haahahahahahhaahahhahaah ;D ;D
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Joe on February 06, 2017, 09:11:38 PM
Awww grat just pointed out the number of laps on the practise server is still 12 from last week. All my practise was based on 12 not 19.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: grat on February 06, 2017, 10:00:09 PM
Awww grat just pointed out the number of laps on the practise server is still 12 from last week. All my practise was based on 12 not 19.
I think you're fine. The softs last easily 8 laps. Can do 9 or 10, but should start to be careful.

By the way: you're fast this round and Phil has ballast. Kids: tell him he needs to win for you! Put pressure! ;)
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Joe on February 06, 2017, 10:20:20 PM
Awww grat just pointed out the number of laps on the practise server is still 12 from last week. All my practise was based on 12 not 19.
I think you're fine. The softs last easily 8 laps. Can do 9 or 10, but should start to be careful.

By the way: you're fast this round and Phil has ballast. Kids: tell him he needs to win for you! Put pressure! ;)

Yeah will try and give them a quick test tomorrow on a longer stint. Havent tried the mediums at all.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on February 06, 2017, 10:27:23 PM
Awww grat just pointed out the number of laps on the practise server is still 12 from last week. All my practise was based on 12 not 19.
I think you're fine. The softs last easily 8 laps. Can do 9 or 10, but should start to be careful.

By the way: you're fast this round and Phil has ballast. Kids: tell him he needs to win for you! Put pressure! ;)

hehe the mind games begin :)
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: RussG on February 06, 2017, 11:17:41 PM
I'll reduce the ballast a bit to 15kg, 30kg and 45kg (practice server updated).

Hey Wally,
How about reducing the 60kg I have for the incident last week (which I still claim is undeserved).
Yeah, OK, I'll make that 45 as well.

Sorry to bother you Wally, but I still have 60kg on the practise server.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on February 07, 2017, 07:38:06 AM
I'll reduce the ballast a bit to 15kg, 30kg and 45kg (practice server updated).

Hey Wally,
How about reducing the 60kg I have for the incident last week (which I still claim is undeserved).
Yeah, OK, I'll make that 45 as well.

Sorry to bother you Wally, but I still have 60kg on the practise server.
Fixed.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on February 07, 2017, 06:28:23 PM
Server's up.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: grat on February 07, 2017, 09:55:46 PM
Here is the log from tonight... maybe someone of you can figure out what it is about... :(
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on February 07, 2017, 10:20:09 PM
Here is the log from tonight... maybe someone of you can figure out what it is about... :(
The problem appears to be FFClip:

[PY ERROR]: apps/python/FFBClip\FFBClip.py (402) global name 'graph' is not defined


I would try removing, or re-installing the latest FFB Clip app.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: grat on February 07, 2017, 11:05:53 PM
after the race I have fgone one driving for a 40 min and then a 30 min sessions. No troubles at all. NO problem at all past week etc. Is it possible that this problem came up 3 times in a row in the race server and yet is link to FFClip?
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on February 07, 2017, 11:09:54 PM
after the race I have fgone one driving for a 40 min and then a 30 min sessions. No troubles at all. NO problem at all past week etc. Is it possible that this problem came up 3 times in a row in the race server and yet is link to FFClip?
I don't think it's anything to do with the server. Your log is full of the error I posted, coming from the FFBClip app.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: grat on February 07, 2017, 11:14:44 PM
Yes, FFBClip i the first one... but then it also has TyrePressureEngineer same error...

I always run exactly the same apps...
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Joe on February 07, 2017, 11:16:58 PM
If acs.exe crashed maybe check your windows event log?
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on February 07, 2017, 11:37:04 PM
Yes, FFBClip i the first one... but then it also has TyrePressureEngineer same error...

I always run exactly the same apps...
The way the error handling works in the Python apps, one app can report another app's error. I don't have a graph in TyrePressureEngineer, but there is one in FFBClip. Try disabling FFB Clip, or reinstalling the latest version.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: grat on February 07, 2017, 11:44:35 PM
Yes, FFBClip i the first one... but then it also has TyrePressureEngineer same error...

I always run exactly the same apps...
The way the error handling works in the Python apps, one app can report another app's error. I don't have a graph in TyrePressureEngineer, but there is one in FFBClip. Try disabling FFB Clip, or reinstalling the latest version.
Did the reinstall, but could neve replicate anyway :(

(to be clear: I never even meant to suggest that it had anything to do with the server. It's just that if I cannot replicate outside that server, then I am scared it will happen again next week. It was a pretty sad evening this way :()
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on February 08, 2017, 07:47:53 AM
Yes, FFBClip i the first one... but then it also has TyrePressureEngineer same error...

I always run exactly the same apps...
The way the error handling works in the Python apps, one app can report another app's error. I don't have a graph in TyrePressureEngineer, but there is one in FFBClip. Try disabling FFB Clip, or reinstalling the latest version.
Did the reinstall, but could neve replicate anyway :(

(to be clear: I never even meant to suggest that it had anything to do with the server. It's just that if I cannot replicate outside that server, then I am scared it will happen again next week. It was a pretty sad evening this way :( )


Take a look at your log file again and see if all those FFB clip errors are gone.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: grat on February 08, 2017, 08:38:49 AM
Yes, FFBClip i the first one... but then it also has TyrePressureEngineer same error...

I always run exactly the same apps...
The way the error handling works in the Python apps, one app can report another app's error. I don't have a graph in TyrePressureEngineer, but there is one in FFBClip. Try disabling FFB Clip, or reinstalling the latest version.
Did the reinstall, but could neve replicate anyway :(

(to be clear: I never even meant to suggest that it had anything to do with the server. It's just that if I cannot replicate outside that server, then I am scared it will happen again next week. It was a pretty sad evening this way :( )


Take a look at your log file again and see if all those FFB clip errors are gone.
Thank you, Wally. Yes, they are gone, but I have never seen them earlier on either, so I can't tell if the problem is gone or not. Hopefully it is. I was all looking forward to trying the new wheel in a proper race last night...
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on February 08, 2017, 09:32:20 AM
You'll have to come along on Thursday night. How hard can driving a GT40 around Monaco be?
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: rooshooter on February 08, 2017, 10:06:20 AM
You'll have to come along on Thursday night. How hard can driving a GT40 around Monaco be?
LOL
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on February 08, 2017, 10:13:18 AM
I have not done any practice, but i assume its easy to get on the pace in a lap or 2000
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Joe on February 08, 2017, 11:06:16 AM
I have not done any practice, but i assume its easy to get on the pace in a lap or 2000

I did one lap. More practise required today for sure. Glad damage is off for this one!
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on February 11, 2017, 11:29:10 AM
From the useless but maybe interesting stat department... in race 1, we did a total of 1,726 km, and had 31 car-to-car contacts (including all touches, rubs etc). This equates to 0.018 impacts per km.
#cleanracing
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on February 11, 2017, 11:49:04 AM
That is an interesting stat
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Joe on February 11, 2017, 01:11:43 PM
Love a good stat!
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Wally on February 11, 2017, 01:35:07 PM
Love a good stat!
58% of people do.
Title: Re: S15R5: Red Bull Ring Race Chat
Post by: Bacchulum on February 11, 2017, 03:24:36 PM
Is that the bottom 58% or the top 58%?
I can't tell because 100% of me likes a stat. ;)
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