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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on February 28, 2017, 10:46:36 PM
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This fun run will be to try the supercar option for the next season.
3 x 5 laps, with a 15 min qually prior to each race so you can try different cars. I chose Spa because with the OSRW pit mod [DOWNLOAD (http://www.mediafire.com/download/eduznna58n158gz/Spa_40pits_AC1.7.rar)], it has 40 pit boxes, so there are more of each car to choose from.
Ferrari 458 Italia
McLaren MP4-12C
Nissan GT-R NISMO
Porsche 911 GT3 RS
Porsche 911 R
Porsche 911 Turbo S
RUF RT12 R
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In the past running these I found the ruf to be considerably quicker then the other supercars, the 488 also would fit in ok with them but the Porsches I dont know too much how they all compares. The gt3 rs was a pretty good match to the other supercars but I didnt test the oher 2 porsches that much against the other supercars.
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please don't add any more porsche, they are disgusting to drive and about0.5 out of 10 in fun
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I would suggest adding also the Lamborghini Gallardo SL as its very close to the other supercars along with the 488. The ruf especially at a big track like Spa will dominate with its higher top speed if its chosen by any of the quicker guys I think.
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I more than likely won't be adding any cars to the mix. The Lambo and 488 are too fast. This is not going to be a definitive "choose your car" kind of race, as it's only one kind of track that favours power. It's more a "do you think these cars will be fun" kind of race.
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Lambo and 488 are both quite a bit slower then the ruf though. They always were pretty close to the other supercars when I used to run them quite a bit in pub servers. 488 only a bit quicker the the 458 and lambo seemed pretty much mid pack at most tracks.
I think having more cars that are close in performance would be better to spice the racing up a bit. But from the cars in the list the only one I have seen thats clearly outclassing the others is the ruf. Maybe rsr doesnt show this but rsr really is fairly useless in terms of stats as Im sure it wouod be quite easy to get rsr records in any of these cars at Spa for example meaning not many quick laps are done in any of them.
I will actually run some rsr laps in all the cars in the list at Spa and the lambo plus 488 to see hiw theyd stack up there.
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A quick look at RSR best pro mode times in the surpercars at Spa. The 458 seems too quick in this limited data, Ruf seems slower then I expected but again limited data. The others in this data are fairly close but I will try set a time in each to see how far off the pace many of these laps actually are as it seems to be on RSR for most combos these days as its not used by that many.
488 2:32.113
Ruf RT12R 2:34.631
458 2:34.765
911 R 2:35.214
911 Turbo S 2:35.580
Mp4 12C 2:36.253
Gallardo SL 2:36.261
911 GT3 RS 2:36.318
GTR Nismo 2:36.508
Just to show how RSR times arent a great indicator I just did a time with RSR in the Lambo of 2:34.272 and also in the GT3 rs 2:34.214 in the ruf 2:33.828 and in the other 5 cars I havent been able to get close to the records in the older builds being considerably off the pace. From past running I remember these supercars were all closer and it does seem like the latest ones to get to v10 tyres from much earlier tyre builds being older cars are considerably slower then they were. All the laps faster then mine in the other cars are set in older builds mostly 1.11.x builds which likely were a bit faster then anything in 1.12.x builds. I will try set a lap in all the cars but seems they wont be much quicker then what I did in the server. Some cars are a little quicker using tyre warmers and getting a lap in lap 1 or 2. But its not a great deal of time.
Any of those that swear by RSR times maybe should also try run some laps using it to raise the usefulness of the actual database for example the Lambo only has 17 laps at spa and only 4 laps under 2:37 while in this practice server running just this week there are already 4 laps under that which are also all under the old pro mode record. This is why RSR data is a good rough indicator but with many combos having old data and many having very little data then the times in it arent a great indicator of any cars potential.
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As always, I base my car groupings on my analysis of average top RSR times over a range of tracks, and bearing in mind that not everybody is going to be fastest in the same car. This is the car list - I'm not starting this merry-go-round every time I choose more than one car. Choose which ever car you like from the list.
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As always, I base my car groupings on my analysis of average top RSR times over a range of tracks, and bearing in mind that not everybody is going to be fastest in the same car. This is the car list - I'm not starting this merry-go-round every time I choose more than one car. Choose which ever car you like from the list.
I guess your still stuck in your ways but RSR is not a very good measure of performance if its easy to break any record set in it by a considerable margin. ;) I will still do my tests on RSR but when having supercars I think it would be good to include as many that are competitive to mix up the field especially if its only likely we will ever run them in a single season. If one car is clearly too fast then not including it would be a good idea but seems the decision has been made on not very reliable data. Sure not everyone will be as fast in any car but if some car is clearly faster for some and it cant be matched by others in any other car I dont think its a good choice. You also dont like me adding any suggestions from my many hours in AC and pub server racing in these cars in the past, using data from RSR seems to be what your stuck on so I will simply show how far out the RSR data actually is by setting laps in it. ;)
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Marty is BACK! ;D
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Marty is BACK! ;D
who gives the shit ;D
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Marty is BACK! ;D
who gives the shit ;D
The forum does. It gets lonely when hes not here..
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What we need is a 98T, that really is a super car. 8)
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Marty is BACK! ;D
who gives the shit ;D
The forum does. It gets lonely when hes not here..
I will just avoid giving suggestions in the future, some just get a bit touchy about it. I didnt think suggesting another supercar that fits fairly well within the others was that big a deal giving another option for those that may want to try something else and add some variety to the grid. Many of the cars have likely all changed a fair bit in the latest tyre model update so old data is not exactly going to be reliable then again its the only accepted method for such decisions.
It could be a good idea to possibly fix the grip and weather setting on the practice server so all can run at the same grip level to give people a chance to get a comparison between cars. Having randomized grip levels does make it quite hard to compare between different cars for those that may not have tried many of them, though that again is a suggestion and maybe I should not have made that here either. :-X
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There's 7 cars to choose from across different makes. That's already quite a variety. It's not about finding the fastest time a car is capable of, it's about sticking a bunch of different people in the cars, that represent the kind of mix of people you get in a league (which is what the RSR times give a good indication of) and seeing in the whole mixed grid of cars and capabilities, which cars are on average competitive with each other. It's not about world record alien times or capabilities; only about 10% of the league is "alien class". As I've said many times before.
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please don't add any more porsche, they are disgusting to drive and about0.5 out of 10 in fun
Hey Phil, have you spoken to anyone about your Porsche issues . . :) :) :)
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lol, maybe I need to drive them more to rid my fears
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Shameless and I have been comparing a lot of different cars over a long time. We usually test on Nords due to the vast variety of corners, straights, climbs and slopes. You will find our theme is Old vs New and surprisingly, these have been the best matches. The old (Lotus 49, Cobra and yellowbird) are fast, loose and driving style is suited for those that like it raw. The New (Mclaren 650S, BMW and the SLS) offer better handling, later braking and tighter cornering.
Lotus 49 to the McLaren 650S https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XLxksdC5zo&t=423s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XLxksdC5zo&t=423s)
RUF Yellowbird vs Mercedes SLS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJt3EXW5Pc4&t=226s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJt3EXW5Pc4&t=226s)
Cobra vs BMW M3 E92 Step 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGap0TUSGx4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGap0TUSGx4)
These matches, we think, will be worth a try in a full race environment.
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There's 7 cars to choose from across different makes. That's already quite a variety. It's not about finding the fastest time a car is capable of, it's about sticking a bunch of different people in the cars, that represent the kind of mix of people you get in a league (which is what the RSR times give a good indication of) and seeing in the whole mixed grid of cars and capabilities, which cars are on average competitive with each other. It's not about world record alien times or capabilities; only about 10% of the league is "alien class". As I've said many times before.
Its why I suggested the Lambo (its a different car brand and its not the same as 50% of the rest which are Porsches ;D) as its very close to the others, 488 probably too quick looking at RSR times so not likely worth bothering with it. My initial tests the ruf isnt that much faster around a lap, it is the fastest but also likely the trickiest car as it handles a bit like a pig. At other tracks in older builds the Ruf was 1 to 2 seconds per lap faster then all the other supercars but its not quite as far ahead at this track at least from my first few tests.
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Sorry i havent been on lately my graphics card died, im looking to get one some time next week hopefully some new cards hitting the market drop the prices of the current cards
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Sorry i havent been on lately my graphics card died, im looking to get one some time next week hopefully some new cards hitting the market drop the prices of the current cards
I just saw the 1080ti has been anounced and the 1080 cards have been cut $100USD, AMD is also due to release some new GPU's soon so its likely all current cards will get more of a price drop in the next month or so.
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Cool thats what im playing on right now hehe :)
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Had a few in last night with some fun racing, the ruf and gt3 rs are clearly ahead of the field here shame there is no Lambo as its too fast but all laps I checked vs the gt3rs on rsr its slower then it. ;) There really arent that many laps on rsr on the main official tracks in most of these cars though which makes it not the best and way to decide how they actually compare and only use that data.
In terms of racing as long as the fastest guys dont pick the 2 fastest cars then racing should be fun in a varied field. If all the fast guys take a ruf or gt3rs then only people in those cars will be able to challenge them. The rest of the field seems really evenly matched now though the lambo would have fit in nicely just below the top 2 cars.
If there is a clear top dog though it will mean if these are the cars for the next season more then half the field will be in a gt3 rs I think. The ruf is faster but its a bit tricky to drive so not likely to be favoured by that many.
http://52.65.162.16:50041/lapstat?currservers=XGN%20Tuesdays
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Just based on the fun races I had last night this choice will be getting my vote. The GT3 RS is awesome.
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There really arent that many laps on rsr on the main official tracks in most of these cars though which makes it not the best and way to decide how they actually compare and only use that data.
There are hundreds of laps. 371 laps in the top 5% of times for the GT3 RS alone.
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Yes laps in some cars are fairly high but in some of the others many of the maij official tracks there are less then one page of laps for most of the cars. Unfortunatly rsr isnt used as much these days but even if all the league guys set a lap on rsr it would more then doubke the total stats for many of the combos. Its a great resource but with the evolving engine in AC making many older laps obsolete and with so many possible combos its just unlikely to get great data sets beyond a basic starting point for many cars. Simply putting up a server with stracker will get more data then rsr has within a week in most cases.
I do really like all the work you do Wally but due to limited use of rsr these days the data is a bit hit and miss in many combos.
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I only look at the "main" tracks, not all the funny little variants. Looking just at 26 degree temps and just the top 5% of times since AC 1.11 or so, overall I collect over 17,000 laps from RSR. I'd say that's quite a bit of data!
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RSR??
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Mark, that's Radiator Springs Racing. They have a rank table here: http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&track=6&car=67
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Mark, that's Radiator Springs Racing. They have a rank table here: http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&track=6&car=67
Thank you Rob 👍.
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Just wondering whether there is an XGN server setup for practice for Tuesdays funrun?? atm all i can see are Martys pub servers and a couple of others but none are set to spa or with the proper cars....i think. One of Martys pub servers may have some of the cars but the track is Red Bull Ring ??? Or is it up to me to practice offline?? Just not sure, thats all.
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Mark if you search for xgn you should see the practice server there is always an xgn tuesday practice server with the coming race setup. From what I can tell with stracker the server is still up with kcender running some laps a little earlier. Make sure you can see empty servers in your filters.
http://52.65.162.16:50041/sessionstat
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Thanks Marty.
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(http://xgn.com.au/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1813.0;attach=988;image)
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I dont have the content for the race on Tuesday unfortunately for me and as money is tight i wont be buying it. If the Carrera Cup wins the poll i will be racing if not i will miss another series. Sorry wally.
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I dont have the content for the race on Tuesday unfortunately for me and as money is tight i wont be buying it. If the Carrera Cup wins the poll i will be racing if not i will miss another series. Sorry wally.
No worries Mark.
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I tried to join the test server yesterday, but was unsuccessful. I've never been part of the minorating ecosystem before and I'm guessing that the whitelist isn't updated every time a new person signs up, so I was out of luck. Not a huge deal, I just did some lonely laps on my own instead. I know I'm a bit of a special case on this, but thought I'd call it out anyway.
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I tried to join the test server yesterday, but was unsuccessful. I've never been part of the minorating ecosystem before and I'm guessing that the whitelist isn't updated every time a new person signs up, so I was out of luck. Not a huge deal, I just did some lonely laps on my own instead. I know I'm a bit of a special case on this, but thought I'd call it out anyway.
The whitelist will need to be updated so if you gave wally your guid he can add you or you can post it here or pm me and I can add you to it.
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The whitelist will need to be updated sonif you have wally your guid he can add you or you can give it here or pm me and I can add you to it.
PM'd. Thanks!
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The whitelist will need to be updated sonif you have wally your guid he can add you or you can give it here or pm me and I can add you to it.
PM'd. Thanks!
Done you should be able to get in to the practice servers now.
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Done you should be able to get in to the practice servers now.
Confirmed working. Thank you.
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I wonder if for a season like this rather then limiting people from car choice, could it be possible to give bonus race points for those in the slower cars. As an example it could just be the bottom 5 cars which are all fairly close within but about 2 seconds behind the top 3. So the Nismo gtr, 458, mclaren, 911r and 911 turbo would get some form of bonus points to encourage people to chose them.
This way the quicker guys would have a strategic choice to take the easier results in the faster car or get the bonus points in the slower cars while still unlikely to get a win but maybe a 4th place would get them as many points as winning in the faster car.
It would also ensure that most of the field simply dont pick the fastest options and give some oncentivw to picking the slower cars without needing to ballast them or force people into the choice.
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I think if this option won, what I might do is start everybody off in a middle car for a couple of rounds, then the slowest third of the field could choose from all cars including the faster cars, and the top third would be limited to the slower cars for the remainder of the season. That way you would get closer racing, rather than just a points incentive, which may not be incentive enough for some.
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Marty - according to the RSR times you posted, the lambo is one of the bottom 3 slowest cars. With what you just suggested, you want now give bonus points for the faster cars? I put out a damn good time in the Lamborghini last night (2.35.750) and all of a sudden it's bonus points for all but the one I like.
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Marty - according to the RSR times you posted, the lambo is one of the bottom 3 slowest cars. With what you just suggested, you want now give bonus points for the faster cars? I put out a damn good time in the Lamborghini last night (2.35.750) and all of a sudden it's bonus points for all but the one I like.
RSR times mean very little as many are done on older builds, I was simply going by the times on the server. For example I only did 3 laps in the lambo and is the second fastest car by some margin with only the Ruf quicker and gt3 rs not far off but then the other 5 cars are considerably slower. This is going by my laptimes but its not like others havent driven laps here, nobody has gone sub 2:36 in any car thats not of the top 3 I mentioned and those 5 just in this combo are within 1 second at 2:36.008 to 2:37.080 then there is the ruf 2:33.864 Lambo 2:34.418 and gt3 rs 2:34.725.
http://52.65.162.16:50041/lapstat?currservers=XGN%20Tuesdays
Now track will have some effect on this along with conditions as cooler temps the nismo GTR would be maybe 1 sec faster then it is and also the 911R with warmer temps would be faster as it doesnt get rears to temp while the gtr overheats fronts. The 911 GT3 rs is the slowest top speed car yet one of the quickest around a lap at Spa which is quite telling showing it will be very quick anywhere as it handles the best by a fair bit. The lambo being AWD with more power then the gtr is a good combo likely at most tracks as it handles a bit better then the gtr with more power. The ruf is 20kmh faster then the second fastest car but also worst handling of the lot, on a very small tight track it will likely struggle but any reasonable length straight it will gain big chunks of time over all the rest of the cars.
No I am not mentioning performance due to your lap times but anyone can go in the server and set laps, Im surprised nobody else has been real quick in the ruf but its a car that needs lots of patience. Of most others that have run a few cars they are quickest in the lambo or gt3 rs as expected. Phil is the only other person to go sub 2:37 in any car thats not the top 3 and 9 other laps have been set sub 2:37 by others yet these are all in the ruf, lambo or gt3 rs so I think its quite a common pattern. ;)
Also check your times in the lambo vs the cars I call the bottom 5, you are 4 seconds faster so it kind of just proves my point I think. In stracker you can also click the little plus sign to see other data like one entry per driver showing which car they are fastest in of the 30 fastest drivers only 4 are in cars that arent the top 3. Nearly everyone is fastest in either the gt3rs, the lambo or the ruf, sure some likely havent driven many of the cars but quite a few have driven a few of them.
http://52.65.162.16:50041/lapstat?track=spa&cars=ferrari_458,ks_lamborghini_gallardo_sl,mclaren_mp412c,ks_nissan_gtr,ks_porsche_911_gt3_rs,ks_porsche_911_r,ks_porsche_991_turbo_s,ks_ruf_rt12r&valid=1,2&date_from=&date_to=&ranking=1
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Just to show how RSR times really are only good for a basic guide here are my RSR laps in this combo.
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/310e/v41j4j1p9g3cmyb4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/v41j4j1p9g3cmyb/supercars_hotlaps.JPG)
This compared to the list I posted earlier regarding fastest pro mode times before. Every lap faster then mine is done on an older build mostly v 1.11.x which seems it was a fair bit quicker then current builds with some times I dont think possible to match any more. Even so in many combos there werent that many times and not that many very quick ones where I was considerably faster then the old times.
Ruf RT12R 2:34.631 2:33.828 283kmh
458 2:34.765 2:36.028 265kmh
911 R 2:35.214 2:36.266 260kmh
911 Turbo S 2:35.580 2:35.659 267kmh
Mp4 12C 2:36.253 2:35.234 272kmh
Gallardo SL 2:36.261 2:34.272 264kmh
911 GT3 RS 2:36.318 2:34.214 260kmh
GTR Nismo 2:36.508 2:36.644 262kmh
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So the moral of the story is pick a car you enjoy from these evenly matched cars (2 secs difference over a 2:35 lap, a difference of 1.3%) and have fun.
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So the moral of the story is pick a car you enjoy from these evenly matched cars (2 secs difference over a 2:35 lap, a difference of 1.3%) and have fun.
Thanks for the summary as I gave up reading the long posts a while ago ;D
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So the moral of the story is pick a car you enjoy from these evenly matched cars (2 secs difference over a 2:35 lap, a difference of 1.3%) and have fun.
RSR hotlaps are a little different to the server though as some cars do benefit from tyre warmers more then others at least for the first couple of laps when tyres are at their best. In the server some cars take an extra lap or so to get to temp and some never quite get there or get there when the tyres have already lost their best performance by a second or so. The bottom 5 cars in the server are within 1.073 seconds which is very close but then there is a gap where the top 3 are within .861 off each other but have a bigger gap (1.282) from 3rd to the 4th car then the bottom 5 have from each other.
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/36e0/5392um2zr1ko8fz6g.jpg) (https://www.mediafire.com/view/?5392um2zr1ko8fz)
Looking at all others lap times though there arent many within 3 seconds of the 2:35 time in any of the bottom 5 cars so saying its 2 seconds between all cars when in server the best laps are 3.216 seconds from 1st to 8th is a little off I think.
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So the moral of the story is pick a car you enjoy from these evenly matched cars (2 secs difference over a 2:35 lap, a difference of 1.3%) and have fun.
Thanks for the summary as I gave up reading the long posts a while ago ;D
Post above had 1 more line then Wallys of actual text. ;)
Summary is a bit out when the difference between fastest and slowest car is considerably more then 2 seconds too. ;) the fastest and 4th fastest of 8 is actually a bigger gap then 2 seconds with 4 more cars behind that another second apart.
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why don't we just narrow the car choice down to the 458 and the MP4. Marty's best times with those cars are 2.36 - wouldn't that be a more fair choice between cars?
If we wanted to add a driver/car ranking system, then the slower guys can drive the Lambo or the GT3 RS. That way, the slower guys get a faster car, the faster guys gets a choice of 2 cars of equal times.
problem solved.
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why don't we just narrow the car choice down to the 458 and the MP4. Marty's best times with those cars are 2.36 - wouldn't that be a more fair choice between cars?
If we wanted to add a driver/car ranking system, then the slower guys can drive the Lambo or the GT3 RS. That way, the slower guys get a faster car, the faster guys gets a choice of 2 cars of equal times.
problem solved.
I think all of the bottom 5 cars are really pretty close, potentially within about .5 here most likely within 1 sec at most tracks. I dont really want to go just on my times but just going by whats fastest in the server and not all have ran laps there but I would be surprised if anyone could find that extra second or two in anything in those bottom 5. The ranking system would be fine just how is it done is the tricky bit but in the end a season with open choice is still fine as the spread isnt heaps. But anything Mclaren down would be very hard to be up front of the pack if any of the guys regularly at the front of the pack chose the others. Its still not a huge deal as people could just pick their own challenge, the surprising thing is how some cars seem to have change in the latest build and so mid season there could be more updates changing things again.
If any of the slower guys get the top 3 cars it would give them more chance of running up front which would bring the racing closer but still some may find one car easier over others so it doesnt mean always the bottom half pace wise will be fastest in those. Whichever way it goes is fine my suggestion for the ranking was based on what gzero posted earlier, and the points bonus would be more to encourage quicker guys to go for slower cars. They would be more likely to still get these cars up near the front of the pack so could take advantage of a bonus and also if one chose the faster car then they would likely need very good results every race to score enough points which is why that sort of system of encouraging slower car choice could work best.
The way of getting everyone to run in the mid pack cars early isnt always a great indicator as a bad race can mean a faster guy gets the too fast cars next race and this was kind of a problem when we ran that type of system with street cars in another season. I dont know if there is enough data to find say the guys regularly within 1.5 sec of lead pace over many seasons as that would be the only real way to limit the car choice by a type of historical handicap.
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So the moral of the story is pick a car you enjoy from these evenly matched cars (2 secs difference over a 2:35 lap, a difference of 1.3%) and have fun.
Thanks for the summary as I gave up reading the long posts a while ago ;D
I gave up reading them before you even showed up around here. :o
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Maybe Wally should set a world limit per post like twitter as anything bigger is too much to take in for many these days. ::)
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If any of the slower guys get the top 3 cars it would give them more chance of running up front which would bring the racing closer but still some may find one car easier over others so it doesnt mean always the bottom half pace wise will be fastest in those. Whichever way it goes is fine my suggestion for the ranking was based on what gzero posted earlier, and the points bonus would be more to encourage quicker guys to go for slower cars. They would be more likely to still get these cars up near the front of the pack so could take advantage of a bonus and also if one chose the faster car then they would likely need very good results every race to score enough points which is why that sort of system of encouraging slower car choice could work best
I don't think bonus points should be awarded then. The slower drivers even in faster cars most likely will not produce the same lap times as a fast driver, therefore the driver/car offset is already applied. Giving the bonus points to faster drivers who are more likely to be in top 8 is only going to keep fast drivers ahead in the points and harder for the rest of the pack to achieve competitive points through the season.
I say keep with the ballast system and drivers need to learn to adjust.
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So far, I'm not considering bonus points or ballast. It's all just innuendo :)
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I don't think bonus points should be awarded then. The slower drivers even in faster cars most likely will not produce the same lap times as a fast driver, therefore the driver/car offset is already applied. Giving the bonus points to faster drivers who are more likely to be in top 8 is only going to keep fast drivers ahead in the points and harder for the rest of the pack to achieve competitive points through the season.
I say keep with the ballast system and drivers need to learn to adjust.
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Not thats its likely to happen but bonus points would make racing more interesting, after all anyone could chose a car thats a bit slower and would give them the bonus points. If there is nothing like that then no reason for the quick guys not to simply pick the quickest cars and be 2 seconds or so a lap ahead of the others in the same car. ;)
As is there really isnt much incentive to chose a slower car unless someone wants more of a challenge but likely have no chance of winning races. I had a run with Kcender in the gt3 rs and me in the Nissan gtr over 5 laps I was 9.5 seconds behind and set a server best for the car and was on the limit every lap where I maybe would not possibly have gained another .2 on the run. Phil was in the 458 same race and also set a server best in the 458 that race but was unable to match the pace either. The 3 of us in the same car would be fairly close but against a quick guy in a quick car there is no hope for anyone in the slower ones so not much reason to use them.
Another option would be to simply drop the 3 fastest cars and then there is very little between the rest as its less then 1 second per lap between the other 5 cars.
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You guys make it so complicated no jokes. Just lets race and forget about.ABattle for 24th position is just as good as a battle for 1st,getting a bit annoyed over how to deal and make the faster driver slow or whatever........a question......are you guys smoking crack cocaine???????
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You guys make it so complicated no jokes. Just lets race and forget about.ABattle for 24th position is just as good as a battle for 1st,getting a bit annoyed over how to deal and make the faster driver slow or whatever........a question......are you guys smoking crack cocaine???????
I think either have all cars as close as possible in performance so everyone has a reasonable chance in any car or if there are a few considerably quicker then the others its not likely anyone will chose those unless they are simply given to the slightly slower guys to help them get a bit closer. Get a slower guy in a slower guy vs a faster guy in the faster car and the difference in laptimes at Spa will be more then 7 seconds per lap. ;) Why would the slower guy then chose to give an extra 3 or 4 seconds per lap start to the guys that are already quicker. If the faster guys chose a slower car then anyone they would normally race that choses one of the 3 faster ones they will be at least 2 seconds per lap slower so again what incentive is there to chose any of the 5 slowest cars even if they are all very close if the other 3 give you 2 seconds per lap advantage?
Sure you can run a single make series but having varied cars that are close in performance but doing it a bit differently is kind of the main point of such a series and 5 of these cars are like this as are the top 3 but all 8 combined are almost like 2 classes.
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Even though some seem annoyed with any discussions in the forum maybe they should avoid forums made for discussions ;) We will run these tonight and it should be fun but it will be fairly easy to prove my point in the races. It would be good to maybe run the races on the prac server where stracker is running to then get proper lap data for all drivers in all cars and get a good indication of how the cars match up and how far apart everyones laptimes are in each.
The main reason I am going on about this is these would be a fun mixed car season, we just either need fairly evenly matched cars or maybe use the difference between a few as a way to balance out the field.
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Maybe Wally should set a world limit per post like twitter as anything bigger is too much to take in for many these days. ::)
Or maybe just add ballast to your posts. . . . . :) :)
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That's why I reckon use the 458 and the MP4 for group A (fast guys) and lambs and Gt3 RS for group B.
Using your lap times Marty, that's keeping a constant entity in selecting different cars of the same performance. If you use different drivers in different cars, there is too much variance in skill and drive style to be accurate.
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Maybe Wally should set a world limit per post like twitter as anything bigger is too much to take in for many these days. ::)
Or maybe just add ballast to your posts. . . . . :) :)
You want them to be heavier. ?? ;D
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Maybe Wally should set a world limit per post like twitter as anything bigger is too much to take in for many these days. ::)
It's not that it's too much.
I read your 1st post, the rest are just repeats
You may think that helps but it's 'boy who cried wolf', the more you post the less I care. :P
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Maybe Wally should set a world limit per post like twitter as anything bigger is too much to take in for many these days. ::)
It's not that it's too much.
I read your 1st post, the rest are just repeats
You may think that helps but it's 'boy who cried wolf', the more you post the less I care. :P
Like I said, he got his own way with the Lambo by repeating himself again and again until Wally caved, so he's learn that is how to get his own way. My kids do it all the time.
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I simply did the testing for this and am saying what I have seen in the interest of making the cars closer, Not many others have really tested all the cars and the initial groupings are simply off the RSR data which really isnt the greatest indicator as the actual testing has shown in the practice server.
Maybe Wally should set a world limit per post like twitter as anything bigger is too much to take in for many these days. ::)
It's not that it's too much.
I read your 1st post, the rest are just repeats
You may think that helps but it's 'boy who cried wolf', the more you post the less I care. :P
Like I said, he got his own way with the Lambo by repeating himself again and again until Wally caved, so he's learn that is how to get his own way. My kids do it all the time.
With my choice of the Lambo after testing it it is too fast and the 488 is way too fast but because there is the Ruf and GT3 rs it at least gives one more option against them with the Lambo otherwise there would only be 2 cars to chose and the ruf is too much for most so it would have been mostly the gt3s season on its own.
Looking at RSR data in all these cars at this track there are only a handful of xgn people that have set a lap in only a few of the cars, some cars have heaps of laps but lots of old outdated ones too. Some have very limited data the prac server has considerable data but still its only a few that have set laps.
I see that my input really isnt welcome anyway so in the future I will simply post to complain about others posts and in no way try to improve things or bother making suggestions that could make for a better series. That is the sort of posts the majority of posters here like as nobody has ever objected against those types of posts and maybe thats all this forum is for, which I have clearly been in the wrong so sorry to all and I will just leave you guys on your own as I think im done with trying to help here.
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Not thats its likely to happen but bonus points would make racing more interesting, after all anyone could chose a car thats a bit slower and would give them the bonus points. If there is nothing like that then no reason for the quick guys not to simply pick the quickest cars and be 2 seconds or so a lap ahead of the others in the same car. ;)
As is there really isnt much incentive to chose a slower car
Then don't make it an incentive. Make it a rule. You know who the fast drivers are from previous seasons and races. Top 8 - 10 drivers will use X car, everyone else use another car 2-3 seconds faster. DONE.
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I simply did the testing for this and am saying what I have seen in the interest of making the cars closer, Not many others have really tested all the cars and the initial groupings are simply off the RSR data which really isnt the greatest indicator as the actual testing has shown in the practice server.
Maybe Wally should set a world limit per post like twitter as anything bigger is too much to take in for many these days. ::)
It's not that it's too much.
I read your 1st post, the rest are just repeats
You may think that helps but it's 'boy who cried wolf', the more you post the less I care. :P
Like I said, he got his own way with the Lambo by repeating himself again and again until Wally caved, so he's learn that is how to get his own way. My kids do it all the time.
With my choice of the Lambo after testing it it is too fast and the 488 is way too fast but because there is the Ruf and GT3 rs it at least gives one more option against them with the Lambo otherwise there would only be 2 cars to chose and the ruf is too much for most so it would have been mostly the gt3s season on its own.
Looking at RSR data in all these cars at this track there are only a handful of xgn people that have set a lap in only a few of the cars, some cars have heaps of laps but lots of old outdated ones too. Some have very limited data the prac server has considerable data but still its only a few that have set laps.
I see that my input really isnt welcome anyway so in the future I will simply post to complain about others posts and in no way try to improve things or bother making suggestions that could make for a better series. That is the sort of posts the majority of posters here like as nobody has ever objected against those types of posts and maybe thats all this forum is for, which I have clearly been in the wrong so sorry to all and I will just leave you guys on your own as I think im done with trying to help here.
I'm just jesting really, don't take it to heart. The repetition is getting a little thin but you do a lot of good for the league.
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Yeah Marty, like Joe said. I read it all and take everything in.
And then still do what I think is best :D
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Server's up.
Run RSR Rank if you can - the temp is a balmy 26 degrees, good for PRO times.
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You guys make it so complicated no jokes. Just lets race and forget about.ABattle for 24th position is just as good as a battle for 1st,getting a bit annoyed over how to deal and make the faster driver slow or whatever........a question......are you guys smoking crack cocaine???????
I think either have all cars as close as possible in performance so everyone has a reasonable chance in any car or if there are a few considerably quicker then the others its not likely anyone will chose those unless they are simply given to the slightly slower guys to help them get a bit closer. Get a slower guy in a slower guy vs a faster guy in the faster car and the difference in laptimes at Spa will be more then 7 seconds per lap. ;) Why would the slower guy then chose to give an extra 3 or 4 seconds per lap start to the guys that are already quicker. If the faster guys chose a slower car then anyone they would normally race that choses one of the 3 faster ones they will be at least 2 seconds per lap slower so again what incentive is there to chose any of the 5 slowest cars even if they are all very close if the other 3 give you 2 seconds per lap advantage?
Sure you can run a single make series but having varied cars that are close in performance but doing it a bit differently is kind of the main point of such a series and 5 of these cars are like this as are the top 3 but all 8 combined are almost like 2 classes.
https://youtu.be/vNVp5IwQcYc
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Dont worry Simone I am following your lead, never again will I try to help the league or give any productive posts or at least have a discussion regarding how things can be improved. I am simply going to post negative troll type posts as there has never been an issue with these here. I also am not going to be paying for the leagues practice servers any more so maybe you can get out some money and put that where your mouth is. ;)
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Don't have a tantrum.
No one is saying you can't have your say.
It's just 6 or 7 posts about the same thing gets old, that's all. ::)
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Don't have a tantrum.
No one is saying you can't have your say.
It's just 6 or 7 posts about the same thing gets old, that's all. ::)
Multiple posts from the same people contributing nothing but silly digs doesn't get old though, they didn't add anything to the thread beyond those and thats what pissed me off the most. Anyway as I said im done here in terms of all but racing, thanks to the amazing input by a few with some that had no interest in the cars at all, didn't do a single lap in the prac server and didnt turn up for the practice race yet put in their few little digs at someone simply trying to help and test to see how the cars stacked up. Thats why I have no more interest helping the league in any way beyond simply turning up to race. I will still run my own public servers but the xgn servers will need to be organized by others.
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If you mean me, you can say it.
I'm a big man, I won't cry. ;)
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Don't have a tantrum.
No one is saying you can't have your say.
It's just 6 or 7 posts about the same thing gets old, that's all. ::)
Multiple posts from the same people contributing nothing but silly digs doesn't get old though, they didn't add anything to the thread beyond those and thats what pissed me off the most. Anyway as I said im done here in terms of all but racing, thanks to the amazing input by a few with some that had no interest in the cars at all, didn't do a single lap in the prac server and didnt turn up for the practice race yet put in their few little digs at someone simply trying to help and test to see how the cars stacked up. Thats why I have no more interest helping the league in any way beyond simply turning up to race. I will still run my own public servers but the xgn servers will need to be organized by others.
As I said any comment I made wasn't serious, usually you give as good as you take. I wasn't going to tell you that you were right as it was kinda funny to see you keep posting the same thing whenever anybody said anything about it, but again I thought it was a bit of banter. As soon as I saw you were actually put out by the posts I said so and stopped posting. If you are genuinely offended by any of it then that was in no way the intention.
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@Marty: I am sure you know (almost) all of us appreciate a lot both your efforts for the league and the discussion. I for one have praised the discussions, the analysis, and the videos many times. Joe was clearly just making jokes, and I am sure you noticed that. Probably somebody has gone maybe a tad far in the jokes and perhaps you two can clarify this in private, but I think you should not at all feel that the vast majority of us does not appreciate. I am convinced you know it all too well already, but if it helps, here is my bid (others can follow):
"I appreciate your contribution. I can make some humor and take your humor. But I appreciate it." ;)
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I'm only being quite about this because I've had private conversations, just so anyone knows.....