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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on January 03, 2017, 06:19:31 PM
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RACE RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2017/01/ferrari-f138-at-hockenheimring.html)
Race 1
1. Kcender87
2. Marty
3. Diehard
Race 2
1. Marty
2. Kcender87
3. Diehard
By some kind of miracle, I put in the most consistent lap times in race 1, but even that wasn't very consistent. Mael got a much better consistency in race 2, putting in very consistent laps.
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Was a good 2 races shame Wally/Grat crashed twice on lap 1.
Here is a replay of this incident in race 1. :'(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1BDfkigvPs
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Now I have some time to practice those moves ;)
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Race results in 1st post.
Don't forget, now that we'ver raced both the Praga and the F138, I'll close the car poll tomorrow night at 6:00pm Eastern.
I think we would get good in these cars after a few rounds of practice (we have in seasons past with "difficult" cars), but it's always easy to fail big in very fast, reactive cars like this.
Once I got more used to braking points of the car in front, I managed to have a few good little duels and passes. Sorry for the hit in race 2 Seanus - I was gaining fast on you, I could see that MG (I think) was closing fast on me from behind - it was too much for my brain to handle at once and I ran into the back of you.
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Race one was a bit of a miss, I tried to stay out of trouble at the start by going to last place. From there tried to drive slowly without crashing which hilariously resulted in a 5th place.
With a bit of practice the cars certainly became easier which lead to a much more enjoyable race 2, even managed to have a good battle with Grat, thanks for the position Grat!!!
Lap one certainly did not work, there is no way 20 cars will manage a halfway decent first lap. Maybe a rolling start with 0.5 second gap between cars would be a idea?
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I did enjoy this car, I did run quite a few laps in practice as it was just fun running longer runs in it as the tyres went off.
Race 1 I put in a pretty good qualy lap, looks like the collision report is counting the 20 race starts lol as there are a lot of them Ive even got a couple yet had no contact in the race with another person ony a wall. I was at first going the regular 1 stop race but as we kept having restart I decided to go the mediums and try a 2 stop race. I think in the end with the low grip it would have been better going soft, medium hard as I was much slower then Kcender in the first stint early. I then managed to spin it exiting turn 1 and hit the wall front and rear, I limped to the pits and then stopped much earlier then planned. I went softs then hards and was way too far behind and the silly error meant the strategy had no hope.
Race 2 I opted for the traditional soft hard 1 stopper, in qualy it was a bit lower grip and I only had the one run on the SS tyres. I was just trying to avoid making a big error and Joe snuck in a good lap to snatch pole. I saw Kcender was a few spots back so I thought I should be clear of his lightning start but he got a flyer. I saw him coming and was way too late to defend, luckily my much lower aero and higher top speed allowed a pass into the hairpin. It was fairly tight and I trid to avoid doing the Rosberg on him and looking at the replay left him just enough road on exit. We managed not to have contact and so far in all the races with him its been good battles and I dont think we have rubbed panels anywhere yet with lots of close racing.
Unfortunately on about lap 3 I got a little wheelspin on the kink to the back straight which meant Kcender had to lift and put him into a spin. I then set out to chase Joe who had some good pace and running pretty much the same setup as me ;) it wasnt going to be an easy pass. He had a couple of big slides then a few laps later he lost the rear and went off. A bit of a shame as in the end both races were pretty much over in terms of battles early on.
I went to lap 7 on the softs and then a long run on the hards just trying to maintain a gap, I made a few silly cuts at t1 and into the stadium section early and needed to avoid another so I had to back off a bit. 3 laps to go I made the left hander in the stadium and came across Bacchulum facing the wrong way nearly having a head on crash. I had to run onto the grass and make sure I slowed enough to avoid another cut which I did.
I do really look forward to a season in these cars, they are a bit more of a challenge but during the season people will get the hang of it better and I will make sure to share setups publicly if we do to help out any guys that need it. It would be good if DRS rules worked properly though as the way it was its more a chore then an actual passing aid.
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Getting a bit bored with this baby ruining all my fun, especially when at 14 months he hasn't slept through a single night. :o
Missed the start of r1 settling him to sleep, then he woke up again after 30 mins... at that point I think it was 7 laps in, i was having a bit of a slide around, not sure if it was a lower grip level. I spun off and marty went by but i rejoined and started getting some clesner laps but then had to retire. A shame as I put a fair amount of practise in and really wanted to see what a race was like in these.
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By some kind of miracle, I put in the most consistent lap times in race 1, but even that wasn't very consistent. Mael got a much better consistency in race 2, putting in very consistent laps.
The most consistant stat really needs looking at as it makes little to no sense lol. :)
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By some kind of miracle, I put in the most consistent lap times in race 1, but even that wasn't very consistent. Mael got a much better consistency in race 2, putting in very consistent laps.
The most consistant stat really needs looking at as it makes little to no sense lol. :)
Marty, Marty, Marty... go and read about standard deviation!
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I just watched the race 2 replay, and there was some really good racing!
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I just watched the race 2 replay, and there was some really good racing!
;D ;D ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d_HQPOwKtY&
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Sorry for the hit in race 2 Seanus - I was gaining fast on you, I could see that MG (I think) was closing fast on me from behind - it was too much for my brain to handle at once and I ran into the back of you.
Wasn't me closing on you Wally, I got taken out at the T4 hairpin in race 1 and I didn't feel like waiting around for 40 odd minutes for race 2 so I left the server and didn't return. The start and what I was part of in race 1 was pretty bad, people crashing everywhere and no room was given at all! I get to the hairpin and I stayed out to the left as far as I could go so that there was plenty of room on the inside of my car if drivers wanted to pass but I still got reamed by someone and pushed into about 3 other cars and that was my race done, suspension was finished, no front or rear wing, tried to get it fixed but it was no use as the car just wouldn't turn without spinning after that (I guess they couldn't replace the rear wing in the pits) Must say I was dissapointed!
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I was knackered after race 1. Pain in my wrists so sat out the 2nd race
These cars are tough to drive. I think it will take a few races before the field gets a grasp for just how hard you can push. In the mid pack i found it hard to react to other cars spearing off without crashing myself.
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Unfortunately I do not have time for a proper report. Just wanted to apologize to Seanus for race 1. I could not figure out the differences in braking points and I think I hit him like 3 times in 2 laps. Sorry!|
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LOL Marty. Nice commentary.
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Must say I was dissapointed!
I didnt see the mess in race 1 but like the video with Wally getting hit. That was simply caused by for some reason the 2 behind thinking they can pass Wally there 3 wide. Its just not going to happen, after he was spun everyone behind that ended up crashing at that corner.
People just need to leave room and make moves they have some hope of actually completing cleanly. I will take a look at the race 1 hairpin incident later but expect it was much the same if not worse then in race 2. If you dont think you can make the move clean back out and try again later, rather then ruin your race and those around you. ;)
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I learned just enough to decide that I will skip a season of these cars :)
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What I saw at the hairpin was a bunch of people outbraking themselves. :-\
Probably no consideration for low grip/full tanks/cold brakes.
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Sorry for the hit in race 2 Seanus - I was gaining fast on you, I could see that MG (I think) was closing fast on me from behind - it was too much for my brain to handle at once and I ran into the back of you.
Wasn't me closing on you Wally, I got taken out at the T4 hairpin in race 1 and I didn't feel like waiting around for 40 odd minutes for race 2 so I left the server and didn't return. The start and what I was part of in race 1 was pretty bad, people crashing everywhere and no room was given at all! I get to the hairpin and I stayed out to the left as far as I could go so that there was plenty of room on the inside of my car if drivers wanted to pass but I still got reamed by someone and pushed into about 3 other cars and that was my race done, suspension was finished, no front or rear wing, tried to get it fixed but it was no use as the car just wouldn't turn without spinning after that (I guess they couldn't replace the rear wing in the pits) Must say I was dissapointed!
you have lots to say on everything don't you
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Just to clarify, I don't mind, I like people with opinions, keeps me entertained
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Sorry for the hit in race 2 Seanus - I was gaining fast on you, I could see that MG (I think) was closing fast on me from behind - it was too much for my brain to handle at once and I ran into the back of you.
Wasn't me closing on you Wally, I got taken out at the T4 hairpin in race 1 and I didn't feel like waiting around for 40 odd minutes for race 2 so I left the server and didn't return. The start and what I was part of in race 1 was pretty bad, people crashing everywhere and no room was given at all! I get to the hairpin and I stayed out to the left as far as I could go so that there was plenty of room on the inside of my car if drivers wanted to pass but I still got reamed by someone and pushed into about 3 other cars and that was my race done, suspension was finished, no front or rear wing, tried to get it fixed but it was no use as the car just wouldn't turn without spinning after that (I guess they couldn't replace the rear wing in the pits) Must say I was dissapointed!
I have to point out that that was far from a typical XGN race. We always knew these cars were going to be very difficult to drive close to others. It was as much of a learning experience for everyone as anything else. The difficulty of racing without incident in these cars has to be borne in mind when we think about doing a whole season with a big field. I'm sure that in the latter stages of a season, we'd start to get really good at the F1 cars, knowing a lot more what to expect, but it would take a little blood, sweat and tears to get to that point.
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An f1 season isnt one you could really just turn up 30 min before qualy and be comfortable so it really needs some time in the car. If not it needs people to drive well within their limits and possibly leave more room then they would want. Mistakes will happen to anyone all everyone can do is try their best and not stress too much over it.
It really just exposes driver errors more and leaves much less margin for error. I think the LMP1 cars are more maneagable for the back of the field then the f1 cars in general. They have slower cornering speeds, TC and can be raced in a mixed field with gt cars ao those not comfortable in lmp1 could drive the gt field.
I still hope for a proper f1 season and possibly if there are enough people around we could even run 2 leagues on a tuesday during a f1 season. Have a lower spec car up for second division and f1 as the main series with the secondary season able to run on the practice server with another guy wanting to not run the f1 being appointed as admin.
Another possibility is as I think it was Russ suggested to run a seperate f1 league along with the real f1 season. Maybe run at each track of the real season the week prior possibly on another night. I would be glad to host this season if enough interest is there and maybe even run full length races if a suitable night could be found.
Many of the tracks tracks arent great but of the conversions normally there is at least a half decent one for each of the rounds.
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It definitely needed some practice. I put in 211 laps on the practice server, albeit only 80 of them were valid, but that's because I was mainly going for best time. Was a shame I didn't get to finish either race. Still, nowhere near the 399 laps Marty did ;D
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And I still had a silly spin lol, of the 399 laps though quite a dew were done there when the red pack first came out as I had that combo on there. ;)
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Love the vettel commentary!!!
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Must say I was dissapointed!
I didnt see the mess in race 1 but like the video with Wally getting hit. That was simply caused by for some reason the 2 behind thinking they can pass Wally there 3 wide. Its just not going to happen, after he was spun everyone behind that ended up crashing at that corner.
People just need to leave room and make moves they have some hope of actually completing cleanly. I will take a look at the race 1 hairpin incident later but expect it was much the same if not worse then in race 2. If you dont think you can make the move clean back out and try again later, rather then ruin your race and those around you. ;)
No it wasn't Marty, for me it was a lack practice and no idea where my front wing was. I wasn't trying a pass on Wally at all, just trying to stay close, and pass the guy outside me which I was in good position to do. The front end just pushed out a bit and I didn't back off enough not to spin Wally. Whoever was outside me didn't look like they were trying a pass either. Wally also had to slow mid corner for the dude in front of him which put him back into us. Racing incident, Funny Video.
This next bit isn't aimed at you Marty, it's a general comment.
Meh, it was a fun run, the first race in a car that wasn't some slow arse sedan or GT car (In comparison, hell even the pit crew were on speed). If you expected the racing to be of a normal Tuesday night standard you're dreaming. Considering it was the first time competitively in these cars I thought it was alright.
I didn't do much practice of the circuit because of the fact it was Christmas and I had better shit to do. Come the season proper I certainly would, because as slow as I am I don't like to make a dick of myself and spoil others races, when they're official.
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Lack of practice will be an issue, those cars changed quite a bit from qualy to race fuel. Then add lap 1 being the first lap many have even driven a lap close to anyone its never going to happen. For normal seasons its always good for people to try jump in the prac server not necessarily to just tune the car and find lines but to get some practice in traffic even racing others. Some seem to shy away from wanting to run close to others in practice but its one of the main benefits of the practice server if after all its easy to setup offline if thats what your trying.
In the server you can do that but also see others driving the car, share setups and practice racing others or simply driving close to them. I dont think anyone is hitting anyone on purpose, I have never seen that in even a fun run yet thats reserved for the pub servers lol. Everyone is trying their best just at times with lack of practice it may mean either putting in an extra hour or so or being a bit more cautious early in the race if your not too comfortable. Thats tricky too mid pack though as if you back off too much you will get hit in the rear more often then not in the lower half of the field.
The point of fun runs is we can try some other cars and its not as serious, accidents happen in real racing all the time take the Vettel video I posted earlier and forecast an outcome for Wally much the same. :)
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Lack of practice will be an issue, those cars changed quite a bit from qualy to race fuel. Then add lap 1 being the first lap many have even driven a lap close to anyone its never going to happen. For normal seasons its always good for people to try jump in the prac server not necessarily to just tune the car and find lines but to get some practice in traffic even racing others. Some seem to shy away from wanting to run close to others in practice but its one of the main benefits of the practice server if after all its easy to setup offline if thats what your trying.
In the server you can do that but also see others driving the car, share setups and practice racing others or simply driving close to them. I dont think anyone is hitting anyone on purpose, I have never seen that in even a fun run yet thats reserved for the pub servers lol. Everyone is trying their best just at times with lack of practice it may mean either putting in an extra hour or so or being a bit more cautious early in the race if your not too comfortable. Thats tricky too mid pack though as if you back off too much you will get hit in the rear more often then not in the lower half of the field.
The point of fun runs is we can try some other cars and its not as serious, accidents happen in real racing all the time take the Vettel video I posted earlier and forecast an outcome for Wally much the same. :)
agree 100% :) It certainly didn't help me doing practice by myself thinking I was on the server; I must have been concentrating hard on trying to learn the track. I still couldn't get some of it right and didn't have time to even attempt making the setup faster. I blame HTC Vive, Micrsoft Surface Pro and my phone....all of which I broke in a three day period. It seems that trying to organise repair is really difficult over New Year.
Anyway, I"m looking forward to driving the Prada next season and this in another later.
:)
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Just to see how the Pro's handled these cars in the 2013 season.
https://youtu.be/6lSANlgvxS8
Well not all pros as Pastor was on the grid so that accounts for most of the crashes. The other things I got from this video is we really need rain and to race these on street circuits with full damage. ;D
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Maybe they should try turning damage down to 0%.
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Sorry for the hit in race 2 Seanus - I was gaining fast on you, I could see that MG (I think) was closing fast on me from behind - it was too much for my brain to handle at once and I ran into the back of you.
Wasn't me closing on you Wally, I got taken out at the T4 hairpin in race 1 and I didn't feel like waiting around for 40 odd minutes for race 2 so I left the server and didn't return. The start and what I was part of in race 1 was pretty bad, people crashing everywhere and no room was given at all! I get to the hairpin and I stayed out to the left as far as I could go so that there was plenty of room on the inside of my car if drivers wanted to pass but I still got reamed by someone and pushed into about 3 other cars and that was my race done, suspension was finished, no front or rear wing, tried to get it fixed but it was no use as the car just wouldn't turn without spinning after that (I guess they couldn't replace the rear wing in the pits) Must say I was dissapointed!
you have lots to say on everything don't you
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Just to clarify, I don't mind, I like people with opinions, keeps me entertained
I was making a comment on what happened to me on what turned out to be a very short race, if you have a problem with my comments here I don't really care, iam not here to entertain you!
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Everyone's entitled to their opinions here, and everyone should feel they are!
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Sorry for the hit in race 2 Seanus - I was gaining fast on you, I could see that MG (I think) was closing fast on me from behind - it was too much for my brain to handle at once and I ran into the back of you.
Wasn't me closing on you Wally, I got taken out at the T4 hairpin in race 1 and I didn't feel like waiting around for 40 odd minutes for race 2 so I left the server and didn't return. The start and what I was part of in race 1 was pretty bad, people crashing everywhere and no room was given at all! I get to the hairpin and I stayed out to the left as far as I could go so that there was plenty of room on the inside of my car if drivers wanted to pass but I still got reamed by someone and pushed into about 3 other cars and that was my race done, suspension was finished, no front or rear wing, tried to get it fixed but it was no use as the car just wouldn't turn without spinning after that (I guess they couldn't replace the rear wing in the pits) Must say I was dissapointed!
you have lots to say on everything don't you
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Just to clarify, I don't mind, I like people with opinions, keeps me entertained
I was making a comment on what happened to me on what turned out to be a very short race, if you have a problem with my comments here I don't really care, iam not here to entertain you!
awwwww, but you keep doing it, entertaining me
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Sorry for the hit in race 2 Seanus - I was gaining fast on you, I could see that MG (I think) was closing fast on me from behind - it was too much for my brain to handle at once and I ran into the back of you.
Wasn't me closing on you Wally, I got taken out at the T4 hairpin in race 1 and I didn't feel like waiting around for 40 odd minutes for race 2 so I left the server and didn't return. The start and what I was part of in race 1 was pretty bad, people crashing everywhere and no room was given at all! I get to the hairpin and I stayed out to the left as far as I could go so that there was plenty of room on the inside of my car if drivers wanted to pass but I still got reamed by someone and pushed into about 3 other cars and that was my race done, suspension was finished, no front or rear wing, tried to get it fixed but it was no use as the car just wouldn't turn without spinning after that (I guess they couldn't replace the rear wing in the pits) Must say I was dissapointed!
you have lots to say on everything don't you
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Just to clarify, I don't mind, I like people with opinions, keeps me entertained
I was making a comment on what happened to me on what turned out to be a very short race, if you have a problem with my comments here I don't really care, iam not here to entertain you!
awwwww, but you keep doing it, entertaining me
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Sorry for the hit in race 2 Seanus - I was gaining fast on you, I could see that MG (I think) was closing fast on me from behind - it was too much for my brain to handle at once and I ran into the back of you.
Wasn't me closing on you Wally, I got taken out at the T4 hairpin in race 1 and I didn't feel like waiting around for 40 odd minutes for race 2 so I left the server and didn't return. The start and what I was part of in race 1 was pretty bad, people crashing everywhere and no room was given at all! I get to the hairpin and I stayed out to the left as far as I could go so that there was plenty of room on the inside of my car if drivers wanted to pass but I still got reamed by someone and pushed into about 3 other cars and that was my race done, suspension was finished, no front or rear wing, tried to get it fixed but it was no use as the car just wouldn't turn without spinning after that (I guess they couldn't replace the rear wing in the pits) Must say I was dissapointed!
you have lots to say on everything don't you
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Just to clarify, I don't mind, I like people with opinions, keeps me entertained
I was making a comment on what happened to me on what turned out to be a very short race, if you have a problem with my comments here I don't really care, iam not here to entertain you!
awwwww, but you keep doing it, entertaining me
You must be easily entertained!! As the old saying goes "small things amuse small minds"!!! Iam done with this thread!!
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Geez you really are as much as a douche as I first thought. Just my opinion of course.
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Geez you really are as much as a douche as I first thought. Just my opinion of course.
Cool it everyone. Everyone's here to have FUN. Remember what your mother told you - "If you haven't got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."
I'm not going to tolerate insults and slanging matches. This is supposed to be a friendly place. I'm locking this thread.