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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on October 18, 2016, 10:22:34 PM
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RACE RESULTS AND CHARTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2016/10/s14r2-maserati-gt4-at-monza.html)
SEASON STANDINGS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2016/10/season-14-standings.html)
SEASON STATS (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nu52lWM6_TIRBEGCTF32BxLe8mobfsCFpd_wOeuxpXI/edit#gid=300873498)
ALL TIME STATS (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nu52lWM6_TIRBEGCTF32BxLe8mobfsCFpd_wOeuxpXI/edit#gid=8)
Lap 1 Penalties
None. Opening lap T1 was a little messy with some contacts and spins, but everyone was being careful as they could, no careless mistakes.
Round Points
Guybrush Threepwood 79
Marty 70
Matthew111 62
M8R 54
Grat 48
Mael 42
Phil.8 36
Joe 30
RussG 26
Jeremy 22
hylas 18
nith 14
Wally 11
Keith 9
Bacchulum 7
Simone 5
AJ 4
Freezer 3
Seanus 2
Rob 1
Bafs17 0
Dave O 0
Doobs 0
Flattop 0
Gratulin 0
Hornbag 0
Rob LTD 0
slideways 0
stevenngo 0
Vipergod 0
Congratulations to Guybrushon pole position and the race win.
Season Podium
1. Grat + Guybrush, 79 points
2. Matthew111 + Marty, 70
3. Jeremy + M8R, 54
Team Standings
Struggle Street Racing Crew (Matthew and Jeremy) pull out a lead over Achilles Heels (Guybrush and Marty), 208 pts to 149. Struggle Street Racing Crew are off to the US to race in the NASCAR Series for three weeks, so they will slide down the team standings.
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Pretty fun race that one! Only had one little incident and had a good battle with Freezer and hylas for a few laps there in the middle. Good fun, thanks Wally :)
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That was a really great race imo, I had a ball.
My apologies to the people I bumped, I hope I didn't ruin anyone's race. Constructive feedback welcome :)
Thanks to everyone who participated, and the guys running the show.
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Hard race but fun :D
Apologies to Stevengo, I bumped him off track during a clumsy overtake. Will leave the penalties to Master Wally.
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A bit of fun having a longer race, I knew I couldnt match Guybrush he has found something in this car and being nearly 1 second a lap down to himeamt it was always going to be a battle for 2nd for me.
I was thinking of going no tyres if Guybrush stopped early for his but as he went fuel only first stop I stuck to my 1 set of tyres plan.
I had a good battle with M8R after my second stop as I was heavy with 14 laps of fuel, he had some pace so I assumed much lighter. It took a few laps to pull a big enough gap were he wasnt a threat and then I saw Guy was well clear no matter what he would do on the second stop.
Matthew was 12 seconds ahead and I wasnt sure if he did 2 short fuel stops or needed one more still. He then stopped with a few to go and I had a lonely run to the end.
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Results are up.
I decided to only change tyres once, midway, and also refuelled at that stop, with just a splash 'n dash a few laps later. In the first stint, I was consistently about half a second or so behind RussG all the way, with both of us doing pretty much identical lap times.
On lap 19, trying to hold off Simone who was attacking, something broke in my engine or gearbox, it felt like, while I was downshifting into turn 1, I reckon. After that, I seemed to spend a lot more time in 5th gear before shifting to 6th, and I lost a little bit of lap time. Then I ended up behind Bacchulum after I pitted for the second time, and we had a great battle, ducking and weaving, getting side by side, drafting and criss crossing at one stage until he shot his front tyres and I finally managed to pass at T1. That was great racing.
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Fun night. I decided to go for 2 stops for fuel and tyres, so worked out the fuel for around 11.5 laps just in case I got damage.
Qualified 8th and a few laps in got a run on Jeremy and went down the inside into T1, locked up a little and took up a little more track than I intended, but that was the only pass I made the whole race. A few laps later he made a similar pass but maybe more a divebomb as he gave the place back? I did see him appear real quick on helicorsa so gave room.
Getting towards lap 20 Jeremy was right on my tail for a few laps then he pitted. I still have enough fuel for 4 laps and a decent gap infront so I stayed out for 3 laps to try and avoid the undercut. I wast tempted to just go for fuel second stop, but I hadn't tried a long run with the tyres and had visions of struggling my way to the end losing places, so I thought better of it.
After my second stop I came out into traffic and had 7 laps close racing for the first time of the night. I can't remember the order of how things happened but at one point Jeremy got on my tail but spun, I gave the inside of that damn first lesbo a love tap which I'd done a few times in practice which let Mael past me, then Phil got past after I messed up an exit. I think it was Russ who was infront of Phil who on lap 19 out-braked himself into T1 allowing Phil and I to get another place each.
Started in 8th, finished in 8th so not too shabby.
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Fun night. I decided to go for 2 stops for fuel and tyres, so worked out the fuel for around 11.5 laps just in case I got damage.
Qualified 8th and a few laps in got a run on Jeremy and went down the inside into T1, locked up a little and took up a little more track than I intended, but that was the only pass I made the whole race. A few laps later he made a similar pass but maybe more a divebomb as he gave the place back? I did see him appear real quick on helicorsa so gave room.
Getting towards lap 20 Jeremy was right on my tail for a few laps then he pitted. I still have enough fuel for 4 laps and a decent gap infront so I stayed out for 3 laps to try and avoid the undercut. I wast tempted to just go for fuel second stop, but I hadn't tried a long run with the tyres and had visions of struggling my way to the end losing places, so I thought better of it.
After my second stop I came out into traffic and had 7 laps close racing for the first time of the night. I can't remember the order of how things happened but at one point Jeremy got on my tail but spun, I gave the inside of that damn first lesbo a love tap which I'd done a few times in practice which let Mael past me, then Phil got past after I messed up an exit. I think it was Russ who was infront of Phil who on lap 19 out-braked himself into T1 allowing Phil and I to get another place each.
Started in 8th, finished in 8th so not too shabby.
It's always good to give a lesbo a love tap.
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Well what to say. Last week was pretty average and so was this one. No matter what I change I cant seem to get speed out of these cars.
From a strategy point of view I decided to run only one set of tyres as I knew they did at least 20 laps from practice and two short fuel top ups.
Despite the tyre wear getting down pretty low I was still circulating in consistent lap times right to the end.
Unfortunately about a lap or so in I spun of a ripple strip and put myself right to the back. With my lack of speed the strategy was my only hope and I assume finishing 18th meant it did, because I didn't pass to many people.
Luckily Mael was putting on a show for the team with a top 10 finish...!
Anyone with a fast setup? I willing to pay for it $$$ :)
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Fun night. I decided to go for 2 stops for fuel and tyres, so worked out the fuel for around 11.5 laps just in case I got damage.
Qualified 8th and a few laps in got a run on Jeremy and went down the inside into T1, locked up a little and took up a little more track than I intended, but that was the only pass I made the whole race. A few laps later he made a similar pass but maybe more a divebomb as he gave the place back? I did see him appear real quick on helicorsa so gave room.
Getting towards lap 20 Jeremy was right on my tail for a few laps then he pitted. I still have enough fuel for 4 laps and a decent gap infront so I stayed out for 3 laps to try and avoid the undercut. I wast tempted to just go for fuel second stop, but I hadn't tried a long run with the tyres and had visions of struggling my way to the end losing places, so I thought better of it.
After my second stop I came out into traffic and had 7 laps close racing for the first time of the night. I can't remember the order of how things happened but at one point Jeremy got on my tail but spun, I gave the inside of that damn first lesbo a love tap which I'd done a few times in practice which let Mael past me, then Phil got past after I messed up an exit. I think it was Russ who was infront of Phil who on lap 19 out-braked himself into T1 allowing Phil and I to get another place each.
Started in 8th, finished in 8th so not too shabby.
It's always good to give a lesbo a love tap.
ya see what i did there ;)
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Not a brilliant night for me. it looked like I had the pace and a podium was feasible, but I threw it all away with the strategy. (Not going to comment about my race engineer...)
Very bad quali for me. Had only one proper lap in the first stint with low grip, but 6th was not the end of the world, so I set up for a patient race.
I managed to pass two cars in the first 2 laps and set to chase Matthew. I reached him by lap 8 when we started a beautiful battle (though I got distracted and missed my braking mark when I had the best chance at passing him for good). He pitted on lap 13 maybe a tenth ahead of me and I thought "well, all I need to do is to nail a good lap and I'll get out ahead of him." Had a very good lap (in-car delta was showing I could cut a tenth off the previous best), went for pit and... when I come out I am like 10 seconds behind him!!! It took me a while to realize I was the only one around there changing tyres. I started to get nervous and spun after 2 or 3 laps. At that point I was quite badly damaged, losing almost 2.5 tenths per straight (1 second per lap!) and all I could do was to at least recover the positions between me and the leading guys. So I did, but a possible podium ended up in a 5th place.
Note: I would have been veeeery happy with 5th 2 days ago. But after the first 10 laps I was pretty sure I would have fought for the podium, so it was a bit disappointing to miss that chance.
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Hey Grat, you only need to change tyres once, if that. Better late than never? :)
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Anyone with a fast setup? I willing to pay for it $$$ :)
Here's mine, for what it's worth. I'm not necessarily calling it fast!
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Better late than never
That's how the Italian press titled the coverage of my race :(
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The good thing was strategy wise there were a few options, many went the same way in the end with tyres + fuel and a short top up but you couod have taken any option.
I probably would rather have gone no tyres but being less then 30 seconds behind Guybrush was pretty much all I could expect. Without some traffic and diff strategy I may have finished under 20 seconds down on him but it would not have made a difference. ;)
I changed from planning no tyres on first stop once I saw guy did that as it wouldnt have given me the jump on him anyway. I knew Matthew and Grat were close to my pace so I just tried to cover them off more then attack Guy which I was no threat to anyway.
The way it was you werent sure if people are taking the agressive no tyre option as this would have given them track position. If in a close battle with someone ahead going no tyres would help jump them but then you would be slower on track so it woud have made it interesting.
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What would really make the strategies interesting is controlling tyre options - hard/medium/soft (although I know this car only has the hard).
My night was interesting. I got a migraine not long before it was all due to start so could barely see the right side of my screen for the first half of the race (I'm sure staring at a monitor for 1.5 hours helped).
I thought I'd try something different with strategy as the difference between a short stop for 5 litres fuel and no tyres, vs 50 litres and tyres saved about 20 seconds, and given I probably wasn't going to lose more than a second a lap then it could benefit me without being too much of a risk.
So I started the race with 100 litres of fuel and was surprised that I was able to pull away a bit (I figure others must have had similar fuel levels). I stopped on lap 10 when I could see a bit of a gap for 5 litres of fuel and kept going. By the time I got to lap 15/16 my tires had dropped off a bit and was probably down a second on pace, then stopped on lap 20 for some new boots and 50 litres of fuel and kept going.
Passed Matthew who was on old tyres and then kept going with the people who were getting blue flags getting out of the way nicely - well done guys.
All night I was having trouble entering the second Lesbo as its quite dark due to shading and my right hand side vision was blury, so I was a bit disappointed I couldn't get that one right as it feels good when you do.
Good fun chaps.
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So your saying it feels good when you nail the second Lesbo. ;D
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It feels better when you nail both. ;D
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The only thing I didn't really like was the "add 1 litre" pit stops (which were quite legal). For the next endurance round at Silverstone, I want to try only allowing refueling in one stop only. On your refueling stop, you can change tyres, or not. That means on the other stop, you'd have to change tyres. That should still leave enough strategic options, and make each stop a "real" one. Maybe with tyre wear at 3x - I'd have to do some trials at Silverstone first.
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The only thing I didn't really like was the "add 1 litre" pit stops (which were quite legal). For the next endurance round at Silverstone, I want to try only allowing refueling in one stop only. On your refueling stop, you can change tyres, or not. That means on the other stop, you'd have to change tyres. That should still leave enough strategic options, and make each stop a "real" one. Maybe with tyre wear at 3x - I'd have to do some trials at Silverstone first.
K`NOTH!!
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If tyre wear is too high though it just forces everyone to do 2 stops at pretty much the same time splitting the race into 3 equal segments with no real alternate options. I think tyres are ok as they are but you could maybe raise fuel to 2x also and so make people need to carry a bit more fuel and so heavier if going long and wanting to add minimum fuel.
These cars are quite a bit slower with more fuel, having an option to run on one set of tyres add an interesting option. But if you need more fuel to finish the race but not so much you cant go long enough ti have options if you choose to run heavy. Or you would just want to add more fuel in the stops.
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The fuel multiplier can't be too high, or it squeezes people towards refueling midway. At 1.7x, you could get 23 laps out of 30. If anything, the multiplier could be fractionally lower, say 1.6x, so you could get even further on one tank. That way, you can refuel anywhere between laps 5 and 25, for example.
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I think leave it. Tyre wear at the next track will be different. I only did no tyre change knowing that this track is mostly straights and I had tested 20 laps which was okay.
Note to GB: Its great to know that your 30 seconds ahead of everyone else . . . WITH A MIGRANE!! :)
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Anyone with a fast setup? I willing to pay for it $$$ :)
Here's mine, for what it's worth. I'm not necessarily calling it fast!
Thanks Wally will give it a go...
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Thanks from me for the setup as well Wally, will also try. I think my times might need more than a
setup to fix though :-[ Don't think there were many people that didn't lap me last night ::) Dave O.
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Thanks from me for the setup as well Wally, will also try. I think my times might need more than a
setup to fix though :-[ Don't think there were many people that didn't lap me last night ::) Dave O.
The ballast wouldn't have helped!
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Setup wise I have put my setups in the practice server, so if anyone jumps on with ptracker they should be able to get my current setup. I havent ran any laps at Brands yet so no setup there as yet but I will put one up as soon as I get a reasonable setup there.
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Here is a little video showing just the first few laps of the race.
https://youtu.be/ywLFl1ccFHY
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Thank you, Marty.
Small request to the leader (usually GB): could you please say "GO! GO! GO!" loud and clear? I was pretty confused at the start as I was not sure about what was said, and as you can see from the video, I had almost lost my position by the start/finish line.
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I'm pretty sure I was passed before the start line as well. :-X
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Yes, a reminder to all that you're not allowed to pass before the start line.
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It was interesting that the start line could have been taken as two different points - either the true start line at the front of the grid, or the timing line at the back of the grid. I yelled "GO" when I got to the first start line in case people decided to take off - it's important for people to be quiet and listen though.
Now, if I was being my mischievious self and was back in the pack I'd be temped to yell "GO" before the leader did... that would be funny.
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I was 21st and, yes, there was concertinaing in the back straight but I never dropped below 100kph out of parabolica.
Sure, I had to wait 4-5 sec before I could go full throttle (or I would have passed the car in front) but I never had to brake at all.
The only reason you would need to brake is if you just floored it on go, instead of looking at the car ahead. ???
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I think the no passing rule is fine. It might help to try and maintain a constant speed all the way around the track, say 150, before we slow to bunch up. There's a wild variety of speeds on the formation lap, and it all sends ripples through the gaps in the field.
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I can't see how it's unworkable, we just need to check 1 lap placings against qually order. ;)
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...It might help to try and maintain a constant speed all the way around the track, say 150...
That speed would need to be at least equal to the slowest speed in the final corner or even the slowest corner of the track.
A maximum of 150, slowing appropriately for corners.
The no passing rule is common in real life, so it's clearly workable.
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...It might help to try and maintain a constant speed all the way around the track, say 150...
That speed would need to be at least equal to the slowest speed in the final corner or even the slowest corner of the track.
A maximum of 150, slowing appropriately for corners.
The no passing rule is common in real life, so it's clearly workable.
The front of the pack was pretty slow and I dont think we would have been much over 150 for very long if at all on the formation lap. The thing is with lots of people dodging and weaving you want to not be too close to others that may end up hitting you. I didnt really bother doing much weaving but see some getting right into it. This isnt a huge problem but it can cause big gaos in the pack which come to the last turn and put straight can cause issues as people rush to catch back up.
In terms of positions gained before the line there werent that many if you look at the lap 1 gains. The actual timing line was just out of parabolica and I think only a couple people gained a spot at this point.
If there is no passing before the line then it may as well be the race doesnt start until you have crossed the line. We really shouldnt make it sonthe guys ahead are vulnerable to people behind backing off for a run up which is why leader should still call go.
Not passing til the line is manageable but its not really helping those at the back to either stay in touch with those ahead or get a clean start if there is lits of stop gontype stuff happening.
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Sorry guys, I did not want to start such a big discussion. I think the procedure is mostly fine and we dealt with it decently well. I just wanted to ask to say "Go" loudly, as GB said something like "Ok, we can go" or at least that's how it sounded to me, and I remained confused for like 2 seconds.
As for passing before the line: I think we can just enforce it very loosely as we did till now. But I hear that at the back of the field it was a bit more problematic because they were still on the last corner. Perhaps we can say that if you are before the last corner at the "GO" moment, then you can pass at any time after that corner, and that's it.
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Nothing wrong with discussions, I didnt look too closely at the back of pack pretty much just saw the video as I recorded it. Overall it didnt look too bad with 27 drivers starting a race at Monza I thought it was ok without really watching anyone in particular.