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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on September 01, 2015, 11:19:36 PM
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8 laps and 17 laps. Race 2 fuel and tyres at 4.2x (unless it's freezing cold again, in which case I'll reduce the tyre rate).
Weather Forecast: http://www.myweather2.com/Motor-Racing/Italy/Mugello-Circuit.aspx (http://www.myweather2.com/Motor-Racing/Italy/Mugello-Circuit.aspx)
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Phil
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Rob
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Wally
Practice server is up with a couple of weathers: hot and mild, both dry.
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Had a look at RSR and WR is pretty strange: last sector is 3 seconds faster than everybody else... What should I understand?
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Had a look at RSR and WR is pretty strange: last sector is 3 seconds faster than everybody else... What should I understand?
Could be a bug. It's not unknown for RSR to have had some bugs.
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Looks like its going to be 22 degrees and sunny at Mugello. It is befitting the mankini I don for race nights.
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The car definitely feels nice around here. Was nowhere near Grat's pace last night though!
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Looks like its going to be 22 degrees and sunny at Mugello. It is befitting the mankini I don for race nights.
Are you beginning to overdress these days, a mankini is much more then nothing I think.
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mankini?
Anyone tonight for a lap or two?
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mankini?
(http://www.clothestopose.co.uk/ekmps/shops/clarke/images/luxury-leopard-mankini-thong-37-p.jpg)
You can't see Guybrush's leopard skin print racing boots in this shot.
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....yak
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It looks better from behind.
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A put together a track guide video. Not the best lap, but may be useful?
[youtube]pb3pw-2gnvI[/youtube]
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A put together a track guide video. Not the best lap, but may be useful?
[youtube]pb3pw-2gnvI[/youtube]
Excellent stuff Guybrush! Seeing the final lap was really good. Maybe you could throw some slomo in on some of the corner guides (although the replay controls are a little fiddly).
As we've seen from your telemetry in the past, it's amazing how late you brake and how early you get on the throttle. If I (and probably most of us), try to brake that late, I can't seem to pull the car up. I think you have mastered how much brake pressure to put on to get the maximum stopping effect without locking up, whereas most of us are probably too tentative on the brakes.
Also, if I get on the throttle as early as you, I seem to understeer off too easily. Maybe that comes down to setup.
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Thanks Wally. Yeah, I'm not sure the best way to put the video together. Next one instead of pausing I might just do a super slow mo through the corners. You get a much better understanding of wheel and throttle inputs with slow motion as well.
At it's most basic I think a car setup is a trade off between oversteer and understeer. If you want less understeer in some particular corners it usually means you will have more oversteer in other corners, IMO.
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First of all, thanks for posting the video.
Funny eough, I was watching the video and noticed your braking points were all a few meters earlier than mine... So I was wondering what I was doing wrong, as---and with sincere modesty: I am proud to say so---all the rest seemed to be spot on (bar, of course, the fact that I fuck it up once per lap). Then I figured it out: you're doing the same lines and the same throttle, but with half the rear wing I need for that! I don't know how you keep it on track, as your top speed is like 10km/h higher than mine. No wonder you need to brake a few meters earlier. :(
I am not too sad of where I am, but my pb on optimal conditions of 1.48.9 is still very far...
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First of all, thanks for posting the video.
Funny eough, I was watching the video and noticed your braking points were all a few meters earlier than mine... So I was wondering what I was doing wrong, as---and with sincere modesty: I am proud to say so---all the rest seemed to be spot on (bar, of course, the fact that I fuck it up once per lap). Then I figured it out: you're doing the same lines and the same throttle, but with half the rear wing I need for that! I don't know how you keep it on track, as your top speed is like 10km/h higher than mine. No wonder you need to brake a few meters earlier. :(
I am not too sad of where I am, but my pb on optimal conditions of 1.48.9 is still very far...
Thanks Grat. A 1.48 is a very good time, most of the top guys on RSR are in the 48's. Well done.
This setup may help.
EDIT: I fear for the worst on Tuesday night. I haven't had a race yet where my system has had some major stuttering and freezes. Funny thing is that the freezes only started happening since I updated RSR today.
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Thank you, Guybrush, but please notice the .9 after the .48!
For some reason I've always found Mugello somewhat more intuitive than most tracks (Silverstone is another one. Monza and Magione, for example, are two that I never get right. Maybe you can figure out what this means and suggest some sort of training?).
My main problem at Mugello is that I tend to crash quite a bit. :(
I'll try your setup if I find some time tomorrow, but I am pretty sure I simply cannot handle the kind of snappiness you handle. Thanks anyway!
If it is interesting: I always get some huge freeze on Marty's servers, including xgn practice. This is not the log-in minorating issue, as it happens on my first few laps, and even if I am alone in the server. But it is usually much better on Wally's league server, so maybe you have hopes..
Happy Italian Grand Prix!
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OK, could not resist so I had two laps. The car feels a bit too uncertain to me: I do not feel confident to put the throttle down (especially exit of first corner), but maybe I should get used to it. Surely it does not seem the setup you were using in the video. It feels soft and grippy, but then oversteery mid-corner (especially on the last corner). But again: this might be just me being unable to use it, or maybe I am so used to my setup that I just don't know how to adapt to yours. Surely it is very nice on the two initial esses (the change of direction is nice) and it is a bit faster on the straight.
I had a look at the numbers, and it is incredible how different they are from mine! The only thing that encourages me is that I understand you are more of a driver than an engineer. Meaning: you do not like playing with setup for too long. Am I right?
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Cheers for the video GB, good to see that my line was pretty much the same as yours which means I've learnt something since starting AC! The speed you turn in and how soon you get on the throttle seems crazy though. I just did laps for an hour and low 1:52s are as good as I can get. Like Grat I also spin off a lot here :)
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Yes, it is the same setup Grat, although I did lower the height to 13 front and 23 back.
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Thanks so much for taking the time to do the video GB. Its great to see how it should be done. Unfortunately being a rather slow mortal it probably won't help me that much but still a great vid.
Thanks
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you are fast Guy,actually you should start to compete in iracing and try to win some money,Huttu got 10.000 us dollars last time around maybe you could beat him.
I tried your setup but i threw it in the rubbish bin,i knew it i could not handle it.Your movie motivated me and so i went for some practice but sadly i am not any near(of course) your time,maybe a 51 with some more practice is a reality.So far i had been using only the default sets(dont have time to practice) but i should start to dust off my .....skills so that i can beat you ....FAIR AND SQUARE!!!!! :-\
I love the lotuses on AC tracks,my fellow italians at Assetto Corsa did a great job.......vero grat o no? ;D
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definitely vero. And I also agree with GB that the track is really good. We just do it better ;)
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First of all, thanks for posting the video.
Funny eough, I was watching the video and noticed your braking points were all a few meters earlier than mine... So I was wondering what I was doing wrong, as---and with sincere modesty: I am proud to say so---all the rest seemed to be spot on (bar, of course, the fact that I fuck it up once per lap). Then I figured it out: you're doing the same lines and the same throttle, but with half the rear wing I need for that! I don't know how you keep it on track, as your top speed is like 10km/h higher than mine. No wonder you need to brake a few meters earlier. :(
I am not too sad of where I am, but my pb on optimal conditions of 1.48.9 is still very far...
One of the main tricks is to be able to find the setup compromise which gives the best total lap time or gives an advantage in a race. In these cars it seems lowering aero especially at the faster tracks will give the advantage and at Mugello passing on the main straight is really the best chance. Even if a higher aero setup can get a laptime not too far away you will be a sitting duck down the straight and the cornering or braking advantages are in sections where you most likely cant use this to pass others anyway. So if you end up mid pack you may just be stuck there and held up quite badly unable to pass and losing out very badly down the straight.
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The most obvious point for me from GB's video was the time taken to practice and identify braking markers in the track which in turn translate to both speed and importantly consistency. Personally I usually have just enough time to set up my car the best I can to make it feel balanced and then go "I know this track" so I turn up and push as hard as I can.
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I don't really give myself breaking and turn in markers for every corners like GB did here. Some turns where there are distance boards I do especially after the long straight at Mugello, but for the majority of other corners I just use feel and guess where and when to break and turn. That makes me more inconsistent I guess so maybe should start doing this a bit more.
The main thing I noticed is that in quite a few places in the lap I'd still on on brakes and GB is already full throttle! Watching the vid a few times has definitely helped me, especially where'd I'd sometimes coast and GB is slightly on throttle, which seems to help with keeping grip.
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First of all, thanks for posting the video.
Funny eough, I was watching the video and noticed your braking points were all a few meters earlier than mine... So I was wondering what I was doing wrong, as---and with sincere modesty: I am proud to say so---all the rest seemed to be spot on (bar, of course, the fact that I fuck it up once per lap). Then I figured it out: you're doing the same lines and the same throttle, but with half the rear wing I need for that! I don't know how you keep it on track, as your top speed is like 10km/h higher than mine. No wonder you need to brake a few meters earlier. :(
I am not too sad of where I am, but my pb on optimal conditions of 1.48.9 is still very far...
One of the main tricks is to be able to find the setup compromise which gives the best total lap time or gives an advantage in a race. In these cars it seems lowering aero especially at the faster tracks will give the advantage and at Mugello passing on the main straight is really the best chance. Even if a higher aero setup can get a laptime not too far away you will be a sitting duck down the straight and the cornering or braking advantages are in sections where you most likely cant use this to pass others anyway. So if you end up mid pack you may just be stuck there and held up quite badly unable to pass and losing out very badly down the straight.
Yes, this is an important point. Unless you can time your pitstop to get clear track, but that's never guaranteed.
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Well, I'm glad the video was at least worth while. :)
One thing you never get from watching a hotlap video are the little twitches and loss of traction, sliding, etc. For instance the two really fast right handers at the bottom of the hill - in the video hotlap I was actually sliding slightly and the rear extremely light and on edge, hence the throttle modulation, however in the video you don't get a sense of that. The same with a couple of corners where I turned in and the whole car slides and rotates so I need to touch the throttle a bit to stabilise.
Where you see some little throttle blips and very slight throttle application into/through a corner is usually just controlling a slide as opposed to finding pace.
But yes, for me personally if I was to consider what I thought were the most important things that apply to me, they would be:
* Trail-braking into a corner
* Getting to use the throttle to stabilise the rear of the car
* Getting comfortable sliding the car slightly.
* Finding the fastest line
* Mechanising this by using as many reference points as possible
I think the most important thing to do is mechanise the driving process. It's too easy to be imprecise and just think "I brake around about slightly over half way between the 100 and 150 boards".
Thanks for the advise about iRacing Simone, but I don't think I'm in the class of the Huttu's or Ben C's of the world :)
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My GTC setup if anyone wants to try,
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its awesome work GB. Thanks a lot, , Skip Barber forum in Iracing used to do similar each week, An alien and a normal person would post a lap and the alien would do a write up on each corner that you could read while watching/pausing
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As we've done before too, its relatively easy to do telemetry comparisons between two people using AIM Race Studio. But the conclusion is always the same - Guybrush brakes later and gets on the throttle earlier.
Heres some telemetry we looked at earlier:
http://www.xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=428.msg5449#msg5449
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Wally, I've decided to pull out of this current Tuesday night series, I have not been enjoying it mainly due to issues
with these cars and FFB issues with my G25.
These issues only show up with these Lotus cars, don't know why and can't be bothered to spend any more time
trying to figure it out. Turning off road effects only slightly helped.
I'm still here for Thursdays of course and will keep an eye out for the next Tuesday season and see what that is like.
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That's a shame Steve. I've tweaked the FFB a little with my G25 and I don't think it's ever felt better. if there's any thing we can do to help just give a shout.
But I know how you feel. I continue to have issues with the Caterham and in the end it just drains all the joy of the it and its just not worth the hassle.
Hope to see you back soon.
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Thanks Rob, strangely enough the only issue I have with the Caterham is downshifting.
I'll be back next series most likely anyway, see how I go in pre-season testing
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Wally, I've decided to pull out of this current Tuesday night series, I have not been enjoying it mainly due to issues
with these cars and FFB issues with my G25.
These issues only show up with these Lotus cars, don't know why and can't be bothered to spend any more time
trying to figure it out. Turning off road effects only slightly helped.
I'm still here for Thursdays of course and will keep an eye out for the next Tuesday season and see what that is like.
Have you tried adding some filtering to the FFB in the AC settings? That might smooth excessive knocking, if that's what you're experiencing.
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I'm still at work and it's unlikely I will be home in the next three hours. Hopefully see you next week.
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Anyone got a setup for the GTC they could spare for me? :D
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I'm still at work and it's unlikely I will be home in the next three hours. Hopefully see you next week.
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I'll leave you on the grid just in case.
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I'm still at work and it's unlikely I will be home in the next three hours. Hopefully see you next week.
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I'll leave you on the grid just in case.
Thanks :-)
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Server's up. It's a beautiful clear day in Mugello, sunny and 19 degrees then 22.