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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Topic started by: Guybrush Threepwood on April 04, 2019, 10:13:19 PM
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Hey all.
Following on from another thread, I'm seeking some feedback on what I'm thinking so I can get back into sim racing.
So my strategy is this:
Short Term - buy a new 32 inch 1440p monitor and minor upgrade of PC to play. Basically, fun on the cheap.
Long Term - buy cockpit plus 2 extra 32 inch 1440p monitors to run triples and do an overhaul of my PC - when a GPU is available that runs it and isn't rediculously priced.
My current build is:
7970 3gb
i5 3570k
8gb ddr3
Azrock Z77 Extreme 4 mobo
Fractal design define R4 case
850W PSU
Short Term I'm just looking at swapping in a GTX 1660 ti. Will this run AC and ACC at 1440p around 60 fps? And will I need to upgrade anything else? I don't need Max settings.
Monitor I'm considering is this:
https://www.dicksmith.com.au/da/buy/lg-32-qhd-ips-monitor-with-freesync-32qk500-w-lg/
Thanks for any input guys!
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For ac that would be ok although if you run background software like many in-game apps, sim hub, race engineer etc the i5 and 8gb will be the weakest link possibly causing a bit of stuttering. For acc there might be a few cpu related settings that youd need to turn down to maintain a decent frame rate. Do you have a decent cpu cooler for overclocking the cpu? getting more clock speed from the cpu will help however an i7 and 16gb ram will be much better. Try it out first before sourcing upgrades it might be be good enough for you. The 1660ti looks to be a good gpu for a single monitor but will probably struggle triple 1440p (around 11mil pixels) without turning down graphics too much, 4k=8mill.
Sounds good to me anyways and worth trying it out so to spend only what you need.
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It would be good to see you back on track Guybrush. I hope you've lost 5 seconds of pace due to lack of practice. :-X
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Thanks Wally. I'll need every bit of practice I can get!
I've been trying to calculate how long it's been since I've properly turned a wheel, and I think it's been at least 3 years???
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and I think it's been at least 3 years???
I was just about to say it's been nowhere near that long, then I looked back and found my Racer Introduction post and it was over 4 years ago! Didn't think it had been that long, so yeah probably about 3 years since you've raced with us.
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Hi GB , I have just done a rebuild and to play with triples at 1080p was an after thought.
I bought the Following.
Amd Ryzen 2600 (not overclocked but turbo boost to 4.2 ghz , I got lucky on the silicon lottery)
Radeon rx 580 8gb
NV me Drive 500 gig ( Only os is installed on this drive and is 5 times faster than an SSD)
16 gig 3200mhz ram ddr4
Asus prime b450m motherboard
3 x Lenovo Thinkvision 27inch 1920x 1080 75hz 4 Ms screens
All works well in single player on high settings , CPU runs at 50% Gpu 98% and get around 90fps on average.
In an online race the fps drops as low as 45 fps and I really notice the stutters when it does so, which effects the immersion and also the input response times. The third last turn at Okayama was horrid for some reason.
The monitors are free sync enabled ( to go with the Amd GPU ) .
I have had a lot of trouble with refresh rates not matching on all 3 monitors and getting a lot of flickering. After 1 month of research the refresh rate flickering issues is down to AMD eyefinity ( the equivalent Nvidia's surround) is not able to cope with using different Gpu outputs. i.e. using 2 HDMI outputs and 1 Display port output or the dvi-d one. Eyefinity needs to use, from what I have read and experienced is the one type of output to be able to match refresh rate across all three screens.
I have managed to fix this issue by not using eyefinity and simply letting windows handle triple screen by extending the desktop and running in windowed borderless mode , which required a few extra settings in the app.ini file and works well now.
Now I also run a 4th screen in a different room and Assetto Corsa seems to handle this ok as long as I make sure in the display settings that the 4th screen is above the three screens. I never have the 4th screen turned on when playing with the triple screens fyi.
The other problems I have had is that I also have iracing and Project Cars 2 and to use them in triple screens with out using eyefinity that 4th screen has to be disconnected physically.
If I had my time again I would make sure that the GPU had 3 outputs of the same type , ideally Display port as they are the best to use ( from what I have researched is that display ports are the only one capable to do 4k gaming above 60hz ) but also ideally make sure your screens also have display port inputs. For me personally I find 75 hz refresh pretty good I can noticed the difference to when I had it set to 60.
I'd also buy a better GPU, the Gpu I bought was best bang for buck but I would like to be able to run at least 75 fps all the time I am thinking of dropping my resolution down to 1600 x 900 for online racing as I don't really notice the difference and it is 25% less pixels the GPU needs to draw. A minimum of 75 fps keeps the image nice and smooth and matches the monitors capabilities. I haven't tested this yet to see if I get a minimum of 75fps.
For 1440 resolution your going to need a top end GPU I envisage .
I haven't tested my CPU usage in an online race so can't comment on that, I did however notice that if I turned of all unneeded apps in Assetto Corsa the FPS rose, suggesting to me that the CPU was being stretched to its limits.
AMD is supposedly releasing Intel and Nvidia killing CPU and GPU's on July 7th so a few months after that the price for things will drop a lot from where it is now on bang for buck level.
As an FYI my current system with out the Hard drives, PSU and Case cost about $1800 , $660 of which was for the screens just give you an idea of the cost.
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Thanks dude awesome info and write up
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I'm about to build a new one too and was thinking about the following setup. Any ideas on my choices
Gigabyte Z490 AORUS ELITE Intel ATX Motherboard 4xDDR4 3xPCIe 2xM.2 6xSATA RAID 10th Gen LGA1200
Intel Core i9-10900 2.8Ghz 10-Core 20MB Cache LGA1200 CPU with fan
Intel i5-/ i5-10600k
Gigabyte nVidia GeForce RTX 3070 GAMING OC 8GD ATX GDDR6 PCIE
Kingston 16GB 2666MHz DDR4 CL16 DIMM (Kit of 2) HyperX FURY RGB RAM
M.2 NVMe Solid state drive Kingston KC2500 500GB
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Looks good to me GW . 16 GB of ram could be enough and I would probably go for a 3080 over the 3070 oc.
This video shows why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_bUqU9cCsM
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Yeh, I was wondering if I went a bit lower spec on the mb and cpu and spent a bit more on the video card?
btw, have installed W10 now and got AC working in 64 bit.
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My only thought is that to save a bit on the CPU, you probably don't need an i9. I recently upgraded to an i5-9600, and it's fine (for ACC anyway).
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Yeh, I was wondering if I went a bit lower spec on the mb and cpu and spent a bit more on the video card?
btw, have installed W10 now and got AC working in 64 bit.
Good work with W10 now working. As Wally said i5 9600 is good enough. You may still have a problem getting hold of a 3080 though :'(.
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Good idea Wally, the $300 I save on the cpu can go towards upgrading to a 3080.
I can keep using my 980Ti till the 3080,s become available.
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https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/594691
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Quick question how long between cpu upgrades are you planning ?
For right now , the 9600k is a slightly better option . But if you don't plan to upgrade for close to 3 years a 3600x will come more into its own as it has multi threading , 6 core 12 threads.
Another thing to contemplate is the 3080's are going to be hard to get for quite some time still , so maybe jump up to a 10600k or a 5600x the later which will have gen 4 pcie mobo. When the 3080s are actually available you may be able to stretch the budget to accommodate the better cpu's now ??
As well as I am presuming Nvidia is going to release new cards to fight back against the new amd cards.
If you upgrade every 2 years ignore my 2 cents and go for what ever you want , but if you upgrade 3+ years the amd cpu's do age better than the intel in regards to the 9600k v 3600x due to multi threading advantage.
edit: ps Prices are high atm so waiting a few months may well save you quite a bit, but i understand the i want it now factor also
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Was also considering a M.2NVMe Solid State Drive as a boot drive. Don't really know much about them, but is this a good idea?
Also noticed places like MSY and IT Warehouse don't list the 9600 anymore so assume the 10600 is better?
Quote: Quick question how long between cpu upgrades are you planning ?
At my age reckon this may be the last.
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NVme .2 is are good I have 2 x 500gig ones I use for games storage ( triple A titles), they make the games load faster no real gaming performance apart from that. For my boot drive i used a 128gig ssd drive is ample . But I am ocd and only intall apps and windows to my boot drive. Downloads go to a hard drive.
Pro tip I heard with SSD's and NVme's is you don't defrag them . It reduces their life cycle .
Also Nvme comes in different flavours , makes sure it has the .2 there is also some other things with them to look out for that i can't think of atm.
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I would opt for 1.... 1 TB SSD as the only storage, works for me.
https://www.umart.com.au/Intel-Core-i5-10600-6-Core-LGA-1200-3-30GHz-CPU-Processor_55356G.html
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Yes that would be better roo, I have 2x500 because I bought one more as un upgrade.
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What monitor/s do you use, vr? What games, only AC?
cheapish intel:
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/H4Xjvf
cheapish amd:
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/bwGrp2
not cheap:
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/yPXxTJ
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Got 3 x 27 inch. Only play AC and RF2
Previously had 4tb, 3tb, 2x2tb, 500m ssd, and 250m ssd.
When I did the Win10 install something went wrong and it stuffed my 4 Tb which had all my AC and RF2 downloads, thousands of tracks,cars and apps. Had to format it and lost it all, although I think I have a backup somewhere, just haven't had time to look for it.
That's why I am looking to do a new setup, think there is something crook with the motherboard as now it will only recognize a maximum of 4 hdds
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What monitor/s do you use, vr? What games, only AC?
cheapish intel:
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/H4Xjvf
cheapish amd:
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/bwGrp2
not cheap:
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/yPXxTJ
There not bad prices, even cheaper than MSY
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What monitor/s do you use, vr? What games, only AC?
cheapish intel:
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/H4Xjvf
cheapish amd:
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/bwGrp2
not cheap:
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/yPXxTJ
There not bad prices, even cheaper than MSY
Only thing, postage starts to add up when buying multiple retailers unless they have free shipping and in those lists some do it seems.
If those monitors are 1080p a 3070 should be ok, I'd think.
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If those monitors are 1080p a 3070 should be ok, I'd think.
Yeah for sure; 3080 would be total overkill if all you're playing is AC/RF2 on 1080p triples. I just told my 2070 super and that had AC maxed out and getting well over 100fps which with 60hz monitors is already overkill. ACC on High preset it would average 70fps.
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If those monitors are 1080p a 3070 should be ok, I'd think.
Yeah for sure; 3080 would be total overkill if all you're playing is AC/RF2 on 1080p triples. I just told my 2070 super and that had AC maxed out and getting well over 100fps which with 60hz monitors is already overkill. ACC on High preset it would average 70fps.
Not if he wants to go VR with one of these
https://www.skycomp.com.au/hp-windows-mixed-reality-headset-vr1000-220a-6du18aa-737587.html
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If those monitors are 1080p a 3070 should be ok, I'd think.
Yeah for sure; 3080 would be total overkill if all you're playing is AC/RF2 on 1080p triples. I just told my 2070 super and that had AC maxed out and getting well over 100fps which with 60hz monitors is already overkill. ACC on High preset it would average 70fps.
Not if he wants to go VR with one of these
https://www.skycomp.com.au/hp-windows-mixed-reality-headset-vr1000-220a-6du18aa-737587.html
Ah sorry guess I missed where he said he wanted to go VR. Thought he just said triple 27s
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No, think I will stick with the triples.
Did see a 49 inch curved screen at Harvey Normans that got me thinking though.
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No, think I will stick with the triples.
Did see a 49 inch curved screen at Harvey Normans that got me thinking though.
Those 49's are close to the same size as two 27inch monitors and will have the same pixel density as two monitors whether it be two QHD or FHD, depends on which version you're looking at (1440p or 1080p). So probably still doable with a 3070 with those games but ACC might need to be set down a notch if you're looking at the 1440p version.
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using this calculator https://www.sven.de/dpi/
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Thought it was my MB giving trouble but fixed it, so bought a 3070 today and will see how my existing setup works with that.
If it doesn't, will get the rest later.
Later: Installed it and on the in-game benchmark test, went from 134fps to 157 fps but that was with the old gpu on medium settings but the 3070 on max settings, so think I will leave the mb and cpu upgrade for later.
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Thought it was my MB giving trouble but fixed it, so bought a 3070 today and will see how my existing setup works with that.
If it doesn't, will get the rest later.
Later: Installed it and on the in-game benchmark test, went from 134fps to 157 fps but that was with the old gpu on medium settings but the 3070 on max settings, so think I will leave the mb and cpu upgrade for later.
Noice, which model did you get?
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This one
Gigabyte nVidia GeForce RTX 3070 GAMING OC 8GD ATX GDDR6 PCIE
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Sweet!
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This one
Gigabyte nVidia GeForce RTX 3070 GAMING OC 8GD ATX GDDR6 PCIE
How does it go GW? I'm tossing up whether to go a 3070 or wait for more stock to arrive and get a 3080. Reason being I've just upgraded my 10 year ord old 21inch Dell's (5760x1080) to Asus ROG 27inch but now the old RTX970 is struggling with much more than 80fps at 7680x1440. I'm sure there is a way to down grade the screens back to HD but I'm not sure I want to as it's very pretty
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Hard to tell Brad as the rest of my pc is getting on, an i7-3770K @3.g GHz, mb is 1151 pin and I think its about 8yrs old. I am using 3 Dell 27 in monitors at 5760 x 1080, but the 3070's doing a great job, just not sure how much better the 3080 would be.
Tell ya wot, buy the 3080, get it shipped to my place and I can compare them for ya ;)
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Hard to tell Brad as the rest of my pc is getting on, an i7-3770K @3.g GHz, mb is 1151 pin and I think its about 8yrs old. I am using 3 Dell 27 in monitors at 5760 x 1080, but the 3070's doing a great job, just not sure how much better the 3080 would be.
Tell ya wot, buy the 3080, get it shipped to my place and I can compare them for ya ;)
yeah, nah......I'm just in the early stages of getting my new machine running and with old the settings on my GTX970 I was getting 80fps on 5760x1080 and on my first with the GTX3080 test i got 218fps ave....I then turned E V E R T H I N G up to 11 and got 175fps on 7680x1440, so i think that is a good improvement...just need to sort out my simucube issues and then ill be back on track and hopefully a little bit quicker lol !
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yeah, nah......I'm just in the early stages of getting my new machine running and with old the settings on my GTX970 I was getting 80fps on 5760x1080 and on my first with the GTX3080 test i got 218fps ave....I then turned E V E R T H I N G up to 11 and got 175fps on 7680x1440, so i think that is a good improvement...just need to sort out my simucube issues and then ill be back on track and hopefully a little bit quicker lol !
What refresh rate are your monitors? Just remember any fps higher than the refresh rate aren't even rendered so not point going for max FPS if you can't use em ;) In regular AC however even maxed out I'm over 200fps; I just know they're being thrown away on my cheapy 60hz monitors. ACC totally maxed out is around 70-80fps so that's pretty good for me.
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Yep, on my 60 Hz monitors, I've always just capped FPS at 60. No point the GPU rendering frames it can't display.
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There's some minor benefits in input lag from the higher frames, check out some of the videos from battlenonsense on yootoob, it might be worth while trying out fast sync in the nvidia control panel with those big frame rates and no cap since vsync is introduces too much lag.
From memory, use fastsync when super high frames above the monitors refresh. Frame cap when frame rate just above the refresh rate.
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yeah, nah......I'm just in the early stages of getting my new machine running and with old the settings on my GTX970 I was getting 80fps on 5760x1080 and on my first with the GTX3080 test i got 218fps ave....I then turned E V E R T H I N G up to 11 and got 175fps on 7680x1440, so i think that is a good improvement...just need to sort out my simucube issues and then ill be back on track and hopefully a little bit quicker lol !
What refresh rate are your monitors? Just remember any fps higher than the refresh rate aren't even rendered so not point going for max FPS if you can't use em ;) In regular AC however even maxed out I'm over 200fps; I just know they're being thrown away on my cheapy 60hz monitors. ACC totally maxed out is around 70-80fps so that's pretty good for me.
I've just got a set of three Asus ROG XG279Q which are 144hz, but boosted can go up to 170hz but I'm yet to even scratch the surface of their capabilities.
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I've just got a set of three Asus ROG XG279Q which are 144hz, but boosted can go up to 170hz but I'm yet to even scratch the surface of their capabilities.
Oooh very nice, should be so smoooooth. My sim monitors are wasted on my 3090, but for other gaming I use a 43" 4k 120hz monitor and that pushes it pretty hard. You were lucky to get a 3080 they're so hard to get at the moment!
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it might be worth while trying out fast sync in the nvidia control panel
Yeah i've always used fast sync I don't cap my FPS. With fast sync the GPU still renders the frames, it just throws them away. Always found it better than v-sync or frame capping
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I've got a new one, too. Altho in hindsight what for did I get a 3070 card I've no idea, but it runs RDR2 damn well in 4k I tells ya :)
Looks like xmas, too, hehe.
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Jealous Joe? ;D. Nice one Bird AMD or Intel?
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Jealous Joe? ;D. Nice one Bird AMD or Intel?
Intel 10700, I've had a couple of bad runs with AMD stuff in the past, I'll wait a bit more before I dare change.
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Jealous Joe? ;D. Nice one Bird AMD or Intel?
Jealous? I think not... ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/JzIRhDg_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
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Nice, that's lit up like xmas, too ;)
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Finally upgraded to a Gigabyte Z590 AORUS Elite , Intel i5-10600K, Kingston 16GB 2666MHz DDR4 and a Samsung 970 EVO Plus /NVMe 1Tb
AC fps went from 90 fps to 200 plus, so very happy. Wasn't expecting such an improvement from mb and cpu upgrade.
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Finally upgraded to a Gigabyte Z590 AORUS Elite , Intel i5-10600K, Kingston 16GB 2666MHz DDR4 and a Samsung 970 EVO Plus /NVMe 1Tb
AC fps went from 90 fps to 200 plus, so very happy. Wasn't expecting such an improvement from mb and cpu upgrade.
Yes, that increase is surprising without a GPU upgrade.
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Well I had done the gpu upgrade several months ago (3070) so maybe the old mb/cpu wasn't allowing the gpu to perform as it should.
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Well I had done the gpu upgrade several months ago (3070) so maybe the old mb/cpu wasn't allowing the gpu to perform as it should.
Ah mate that's guaranteed. The 3070 is one mighty beast.
But could it also be part of the equation that the physics need to be calculated for every frame? I.e. without that, there's no next frame, regardless how powerful your gfx card might be....