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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on November 30, 2016, 08:02:57 PM
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Choose one or more cars that you would like to drive in season 15. The poll will be open for all of December.
Ferrari F138
Ferrari's 2013 V8 Formula 1 car. Fast, fast, fast. Loads of setup options, but fairly easy to drive out of the box. Features technology like DRS and KERS.
Tatuus Formula Abarth FA01
A mid-range open wheeler, aimed at karting graduates. Very stable, lots of downforce, easy to drive. Doesn't move about much. We drove this car way back in season 2 (August 2014).
Praga R1
The Praga R1 is a full-carbon track car designed around a composite monocoque. The slowest of the three options, but moves about more than the Formula Abarth.
Category Rules
Here are the rules I'd consider for the three options, based on real life series, which might influence your vote:
F138
One long race per round (45/50/60 mins)?
No refuelling.
Out of all of the tyre compounds, each race will have 2 compounds nominated that you must use (although you can use others as well) - this implies 1 mandatory pit stop, but you can do more.
Top 10 qualifiers have to start the race on the same compound that they set their qualifying time with.
Formula Abarth
3 x sprints of varying lengths.
No pit stops.
Qualify for races 1 and 2; race 3 is in race 2 finish order with top 6 reversed.
1 bonus point for getting pole for races 1 & 2; 1 bonus point for fastest lap in each race.
Praga R1
2 x 30 min races with qually for both.
1 bonus point for getting pole; 1 bonus point for fastest lap in each race.
1 mandatory pit stop for tyres. No refuelling.
Handicap seconds time delay added to the pit stops for leaders:
- If you win a race, you get an extra 9 seconds hold in the next race's pit stop. 2nd gets +6 secs; 3rd gets +3 secs. This accumulates, so if you win a race twice in a row for example, you will be held for 9 + 9 = 18 seconds in the next race.
- If you come 4th, you get 3 seconds off your accumulated hold, 5th loses 6 secs; 6th and lower lose 9 secs.
E.g. If you win race 1, you get a 9 second hold. If you come 5th in race 2, this will be reduced to a 9 - 6 = 3 sec hold in the next race.
I like the sound of the Praga rules, with the handicap seconds added to the pit stops. That would make the race interesting, with the car handling/speed unaffected, but leaving you have to think about when you pit to allow for your handicap seconds.
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Praga : Covered wheel, covered cockpit. ::)
:P
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Praga : Covered wheel, covered cockpit. ::)
:P
So sue me ;)
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Praga : Covered wheel, covered cockpit. ::)
:P
So sue me ;)
Oh, I'm just letting people know their vision will be impaired. ;)
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I was reading about the race format that they use in the Dutch Superlight series where they race the Praga. They have a pit stop where they have to stop for a certain time. Instead of success ballast, they alter the length of time that the leaders have to stop for, so that they have to stop longer. They do that because the series has a range of different cars, and no set ballast amount would disadvantage each type of car fairly.
In theory, the PitConfig app could do something like that, by adding a delay in the pit stop before it "clicks" the button to start the stop. The pain is that you can't enforce that server-side. You'd have to set the delay yourself somewhere.
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I was reading about the race format that they use in the Dutch Superlight series where they race the Praga. They have a pit stop where they have to stop for a certain time. Instead of success ballast, they alter the length of time that the leaders have to stop for, so that they have to stop longer. They do that because the series has a range of different cars, and no set ballast amount would disadvantage each type of car fairly.
In theory, the PitConfig app could do something like that, by adding a delay in the pit stop before it "clicks" the button to start the stop. The pain is that you can't enforce that server-side. You'd have to set the delay yourself somewhere.
What if you just adjusted the amount of times the leaders would have to pit over the rest of the field? The slower guys like me would pit once and you would have to bit twice, and you would have to change tyres and perhaps add fuel to give it a decent time in the pit.
I'd prefer success ballast and you guys getting x amount added each race if you're still up the front until it slows you down enough to give others more of a fighting chance. But I think a pit system could possibly work, it would just mean a lot of pit activity and no sprint rounds..
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Wally, I don't know if this helps or not, but I host a Sim Racing LAN at my house every other month for a bunch of mates. Back in September we did a Bathurst enduro and we had one mandatory 3 minute pit stop. I got this app from the Reddit AC league (ACRL) that they use for pitstops. All it does essentially is sticks up a timer that shows how long you've been in the pit lane for and how long you've stopped for, then when you exit the pits it spits out both times into the chat (ie. AJ pit stop 20.2 seconds, pit lane time 41.3 seconds). So we just said if anybody's time was reported as shorter than 3 minutes they got a 3 minute penalty or something. Of course it doesn't have to be 3 minutes, we just chose that because it was to make sure that everybody could have a pee break mid race and people that could hold it in didn't have an advantage ;D
The app is called ACRL Pit and one file needed to be adjusted to spit the times into the chat rather than just have them recorded internally. If you like I can send you the version I have that already has the file modified (because I honestly can't remember which file and what was modified and how).
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Thanks AJ, if anything at all, I'd probably just go for something simple like success ballast. If we choose the Praga, I'd model the series after the Dutch Superlights series where they do have what is equivalent to success ballast, or I might work in an app that the server can control to add a "success" delay to the leader's pit stops via the Pit Config app. I like the sound of that, as it doesn't change the car handling with ballast, and re-shuffles the grid with varying length pit stops.
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I now have the ability to send player specific config parameters from the server to local apps when a player joins. *fist pump*. I can use this and a modified PitConfig app to enforce a "success" delay for the front runners in a pit stop, for example.
Here are the rules I'd consider for the three options, based on real life series, which might influence your vote:
F138
One long race per round (45/50/60 mins)?
No refuelling.
Out of all of the tyre compounds, each race will have 2 compounds nominated that you must use (although you can use others as well) - this implies 1 mandatory pit stop, but you can do more.
Top 10 qualifiers have to start the race on the same compound that they set their qualifying time with.
Formula Abarth
3 x sprints of varying lengths.
No pit stops.
Qualify for races 1 and 2; race 3 is in race 2 finish order with top 6 reversed.
1 bonus point for getting pole for races 1 & 2; 1 bonus point for fastest lap in each race.
Praga R1
2 x 30 min races with qually for both.
1 bonus point for getting pole; 1 bonus point for fastest lap in each race.
1 mandatory pit stop for tyres. No refuelling.
Handicap seconds time delay added to the pit stops for leaders:
- If you win a race, you get an extra 9 seconds hold in the next race's pit stop. 2nd gets +6 secs; 3rd gets +3 secs. This accumulates, so if you win a race twice in a row for example, you will be held for 9 + 9 = 18 seconds in the next race.
- If you come 4th, you get 3 seconds off your accumulated hold, 5th loses 6 secs; 6th and lower lose 9 secs.
E.g. If you win race 1, you get a 9 second hold. If you come 5th in race 2, this will be reduced to a 9 - 6 = 3 sec hold in the next race.
I like the sound of the Praga rules, with the handicap seconds added to the pit stops. That would make the race interesting, with the car handling/speed unaffected, but leaving you have to think about when you pit to allow for your handicap seconds.
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Praga : Covered wheel, covered cockpit. ::)
:P
BUT....... ;D
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Intereting formats but when you say long race for f138 I think 60 mins would be minimum classed as even close to long. ;)
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I'm not an F1 driver, I think 45mins in these cars is enough. :o
I don't foresee any race changing moments happening after that. ;)
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I'm not an F1 driver, I think 45mins in these cars is enough. :o
I don't foresee any race changing moments happening after that. ;)
I'd be happy to do at least 60 mins in the F1 car, but it might not be everybody's cup of tea.
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Id rather the f1 doesnt win next season but if its only 1 race then an hour or hour and half isnt much. The longer the race the more the tyre strategy is a focus without needing silly and overdone multipliers on tyres that pretty much would rule out the softest compounds.
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I know you're not a fan of tyre multipliers Marty :)
Tyre multipliers have their place, especially if you need them so you can't just always do a whole race on 1 set of mediums. The need for it varies from season to season.
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I know you're not a fan of tyre multipliers Marty :)
Tyre multipliers have their place, especially if you need them so you can't just always do a whole race on 1 set of mediums. The need for it varies from season to season.
They are good for seasons like the last one where there is only 1 choice in tyres, if you have something with 4 to 6 different compounds all the higher tyre multi does is make the softest tyres unusable.
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Just like the Ultra Soft in F1. ;)
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I trying to select one of the new Porsche but I can't seem to see it in the list . . . ? :)
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I trying to select one of the new Porsche but I can't seem to see it in the list . . . ? :)
One day...
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The poll still has a way to run, especially after some practice races in these cars, but it's interesting to see that it's a 3 way tie at the moment.
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The poll still has a way to run, especially after some practice races in these cars, but it's interesting to see that it's a 3 way tie at the moment.
Though if Marty was racing all this season the F138 would be ahead ;D
I assume he's also skewed the vote by voting for the other two.
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The poll still has a way to run, especially after some practice races in these cars, but it's interesting to see that it's a 3 way tie at the moment.
Though if Marty was racing all this season the F138 would be ahead ;D
I assume he's also skewed the vote by voting for the other two.
I assume so.
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Heh, I could be the deciding vote right now...hmhm....:D
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Heh, I could be the deciding vote right now...hmhm....:D
You can only vote if you're going to race!
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Heh, I could be the deciding vote right now...hmhm....:D
You can only vote if you're going to race!
I think I can make round 1 so that means I can vote for the series I dont mind missing out on. ;D
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Heh, I could be the deciding vote right now...hmhm.... :D
You can only vote if you're going to race!
I think I can make round 1 so that means I can vote for the series I dont mind missing out on. ;D
OK, round 2 we'll swap to another car then.
Kidding.... :)
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is there any issue or want of running a mixed car season? so that we aren't just using 1 car all season.. for example.. 1 race in the praga. next week race in the f138 .. and so on. maybe in keeping with the style/type of car but just something different either every race of ever 1-3 races.. just to mix things up ?
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is there any issue or want of running a mixed car season? so that we aren't just using 1 car all season.. for example.. 1 race in the praga. next week race in the f138 .. and so on. maybe in keeping with the style/type of car but just something different either every race of ever 1-3 races.. just to mix things up ?
Sometimes we have mixed car seasons, sometimes we have single make seasons. People in general don't like swapping cars too frequently. I usually go for a mid-season car swap.
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Sometimes we have mixed car seasons, sometimes we have single make seasons. People in general don't like swapping cars too frequently. I usually go for a mid-season car swap.
Yeah I wouldn't want to swap too many times, was thinking just these 3 cars over the season.
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is there any issue or want of running a mixed car season? so that we aren't just using 1 car all season.. for example.. 1 race in the praga. next week race in the f138 .. and so on. maybe in keeping with the style/type of car but just something different either every race of ever 1-3 races.. just to mix things up ?
I wouldn't want to swap these cars at all.
One is really fast and a great challenge to drive
One is a challenge and fun to drive
One is a bit of a pushy dog that feels like a sedan.
IMO, It's much better to swap cars that are more similar, but still have different characteristics.
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is there any issue or want of running a mixed car season? so that we aren't just using 1 car all season.. for example.. 1 race in the praga. next week race in the f138 .. and so on. maybe in keeping with the style/type of car but just something different either every race of ever 1-3 races.. just to mix things up ?
I wouldn't want to swap these cars at all.
One is really fast and a great challenge to drive
One is a challenge and fun to drive
One is a bit of a pushy dog that feels like a sedan.
IMO, It's much better to swap cars that are more similar, but still have different characteristics.
I take it that your rating the Praga as a pushy dog that feels like a sedan. I want your sedan if it handles like that thing ;) but obviously comparing to a modern f1 car and a high aero low powered open wheel car it will feel like a bus. Compare it to an actual sedan then the praga is on rails.
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Just my 2 cents worth.. I can come last in any vehicle ;D but seeing as the poll is really quite close, it would seem
there's good support for all the cars hence I would go along with Shameless with a 3 car season but maybe make
it a 9 week season with 1st 3 weeks in the Praga 2nd 3 weeks in the Tatus building up to the Ferrari for the last 3
weeks. Just a thought I'll go along with what ever is selected. Dave O.
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I wouldn't want to change these cars throughout the season. Whichever one wins, wins and that's what we should stick with I feel. Certainly looking like people want the F1's this season currently.
I've actually just signed up for a F1 league in iRacing as well, looks like I might be getting A LOT of time in an F1 car for the next few months.
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There won't be any car swapping this season. Like doobs said, it only makes sense to me to swap cars in a multi-make season, like in the Jap pack season or the GT3s. Otherwise you might as well just start a new season.
To me personally, both the Praga and the Ferrari are great, and the Tatuus is pretty boring.
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I take it that your rating the Praga as a pushy dog that feels like a sedan. I want your sedan if it handles like that thing ;) but obviously comparing to a modern f1 car and a high aero low powered open wheel car it will feel like a bus. Compare it to an actual sedan then the praga is on rails.
Yeah, I compared it to the other two Marty. I drove them all with stock setup and the Praga was pushy and boring......Just like a sedan. :)
Edit: I've changed my mind. With stock setups I formed an opinion based on one track. Different track usage has led me to agree with Wally somewhat although I think the Ferrari is a long way in front of the Praga, the Tatuus is the ugly sister.
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I find the Formula Abarth to be annoyingly twitchy for something that really isn't all that powerful. I really enjoy driving the Praga, I found that after a little setup tweaking it's really easy to drive pretty close to the limit. I haven't had much experience with the F138 but I expect to probably not even be able to manage a clean lap of anything in it though and will most likely sit out a season of those.
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Seeing we have already had a season in the tatuus it seems an odd option but I think will take my vote. ;)
The f138 may be better if it would be possible to have proper drs with the 1 second rule. Or anoter option as a kind of ballast could be that everyone could use DRS except for the race leader as a kind of race leveler.
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Seeing we have already had a season in the tatuus it seems an odd option but I think will take my vote. ;)
The f138 may be better if it would be possible to have proper drs with the 1 second rule. Or anoter option as a kind of ballast could be that everyone could use DRS except for the race leader as a kind of race leveler.
The Tatuus season was literally years ago when the membership was also different.
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The f138 is quite forgiving, its the s15t that is a pain...
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I find the Formula Abarth to be annoyingly twitchy for something that really isn't all that powerful. I really enjoy driving the Praga, I found that after a little setup tweaking it's really easy to drive pretty close to the limit. I haven't had much experience with the F138 but I expect to probably not even be able to manage a clean lap of anything in it though and will most likely sit out a season of those.
You'll be able to drive it AJ. Maybe like me you won't be as fast as others, but it's not a hard car to drive and a lot of fun even if you end up by yourself. That's why I prefer the faster open wheelers, not because I think I'm a great driver, but I end up normally driving by myself a lot and trying to improve my lap times is a lot more interesting in them compared to more sedate, slower reaction cars.
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Yes the F138 is quite forgiving and stable, really. I could jump straight into it and do clean, if not necessarily the fastest, laps.
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Lotus 49 all the way :) Unforgiving, hard and no down force to hide your mistakes :D
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Lotus 49 all the way :) Unforgiving, hard and no down force to hide your mistakes :D
Next ;D
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f138 is much more accessible then you may think, its fairly similar to the 919 but for ultimate pace setup will play a reasonably big part. Setups for it will possibly be shared via stracker as always and there are possibly some to find online too. Its a car that for many tracks a good base will do fairly well with not massive changes to it needed for similar types of tracks. Going from a high speed low aero to high aero slower track will maybe need a fairly different approach.
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Yes the F138 is quite forgiving and stable, really. I could jump straight into it and do clean, if not necessarily the fastest, laps.
IMHO the F138 is not really forgiving and stable but I haven't figured this sim out yet! I can't just jump straight in and post clean laps, atm I can't even complete 1 clean lap 😜. I tried the other night without driver aids and it is very hard to drive but that's the way I like it, a challenge to get it going fast and be able to stay clean and on the island!! It sounds incredible, makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand and it's a complete animal 🚀.
Have you tried the sf15t ;) in comparison the f138 is pretty tame and a fairly straightforward basic f1 car. You do have kers and DRS but you don't need to control all the other electronics. It also doesn't have as much torque and a bit more aero so its kind of in between the 919 and sf15t I think.
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No mate haven't tried the turbo version but I do agree it would be harder to drive with all the added electronic etc, as it is I don't have enough buttons. My point was the the F138 isn't easy for ME, I have had only 3 races with AC and they were in that weak as you know what McLaren GT3 car.
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Yes the car isnt exactly easy its just more maneagble and useable for more people I think. If you tried the Porsche 917/30 at 100% boost last week you would find the f138 fairly straight forward after that ;D. That other newer turbo f1 car is also much trickier on throttle with I think less aero and much more to manage around a lap so it takes a fair bit more to understand along with a bit more challenging to drive.
There are also the older f1 cars which I think conpared to the f138 take a bit more driving effort like lotus 72d and ferrari 312t we ran in a season earlier.
F138 wpuld be a great fun season just unfortubatly I will be having some fun in the snow on a US canada 4500km roadtrip during the season so will be missing all but maybe the first round.
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The Praga has also had a physics update in 1.11.1. It might be placebo effect, but I find it a little more lively on track now, sliding a bit more.
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Has the new tyre model now as well.
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When does the poll close? What ever car wins the poll is the car we will be using...yes? If not what's the point in having a poll!
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When does the poll close? What ever car wins the poll is the car we will be using...yes? If not what's the point in having a poll!
Very shortly after a couple of practice races in the two contenders, the Praga and the F138, on the next couple of Tuesdays. People might change their minds once they race in the cars.
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I'd actually prefer these to the Praga:
http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/rsr-formula-3.8040/ (http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/rsr-formula-3.8040/)
I know it's a mod car, but we ran the Renault 3.5, and this is very good as well. :-\
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I'd actually prefer these to the Praga:
http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/rsr-formula-3.8040/ (http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/rsr-formula-3.8040/)
I know it's a mod car, but we ran the Renault 3.5, and this is very good as well. :-\
I drove that car recently (there's a thread about it somewhere here), and I found that car very dull and boring.
I would love to try this on one of our 2 testing nights. Maybe we can have 2 cars to try on the same night in seperate short 30 minute no pit stop races then do the same the following week?? I figure if we start about 1 hour earlier than the normal time (still don't know what that is actually 😳) we could have enough time to complete both tests, although for any WA guys it could make it a touch hard but there are always compromises that can be made.
This week we do the Praga with a 20 minute practice...quail then 30 minute race then straight into the same format with the Renault 3.5, afterwards chat about them on TS.
Then the following week we do the same with the F138 and maybe the Ferrari 2015 turbo version (can't remember it's proper name)? It would be a good guide to test these two back to back! As hardly anyone has voted for the Formula Abarth I thought maybe we could try the Ferrari F1 turbo.
Just throwing some ideas around...opinion Wally??
Qualifying is always at 8:30pm eastern daylight savings time, with a long practice session before that. The server's usually up around 6:00pm. That time suits people across a range of timezones.
I'm not going to add more cars to the mix now - the poll's been running a long time already and the start of the season is drawing close. If you have ideas for a season, post them here: http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=1572.0
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I drove that car recently (there's a thread about it somewhere here), and I found that car very dull and boring.
Go faster! :P
Easy to drive, hard to drive fast.
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I drove that car recently (there's a thread about it somewhere here), and I found that car very dull and boring.
Go faster! :P
Easy to drive, hard to drive fast.
Yeah I posted recently when they updated it, and agree with you there Wally.
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I'll close the poll 6:00pm Wed Jan 4, after we've done a practice race in the F138.
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... and the Praga sneaks in front again.
Probably courtesy of some absentee votes.
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... and the Praga sneaks in front again.
Probably courtesy of some absentee votes.
Praga has a good social media campaign and following, also I think some are realizing the f138 is much harder work then the Praga. Maybe those guys should try the sf15t and then go back to the f138 and find out how much simpler the older car is then last years f1. Praga will produce closer racing but then also less passing unless there is a track with long straights so keeping the small tracks for slower cars theory will just make it more follow the leader.
In the F1 passing is never easy but with mixed strategy racing, tyre conservation and simply more tricky car to drive closer to the limit it will created more changes of position even if most of them are passing cars playing in the sand not actual moves.
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Yeah nothing to do with you telling GB to vote for it ay :)
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Yeah nothing to do with you telling GB to vote for it ay :)
Surely not but in the end the vote system means as much as the Aussie puppet democracy (AKA constituanal monarchy) give the peasants a feeling they have a say with a vote but if it disagrees with the Monarch AKA king Wally then its vote is final and the poll never existed. :)
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I'm actually tempted to change my vote as I find driving the F138 a bit boring. Will see after the race though, maybe it's more fun in a race.
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I'm actually tempted to change my vote as I find driving the F138 a bit boring. Will see after the race though, maybe it's more fun in a race.
Boring ::) maybe your driving the wrong car or not pushing it hard enough. On soft or hard tyres its far from boring as its very on edge even on corners that seem straight forward like the little left hand kink onto the back straight. It doesnt have so much aero that you can run flat in most sections and if you are running that much aero then your likely a going to be a couple seconds off the pace.
The praga is a very basic aero car in comparison and thats not as traction limited so can be easy flat in way more corners, running a race run its going to be far from boring in the f138 I think. Car will want to spit you out into a wall any moment you lose focus or get that little bit too greedy. The praga wasnt that easy near the limit either but also I think the field will be quite a bit further apart in the f138 especially on longer runs where qualy pace may bring people closer. Running long runs on softs or hards will be almost like driving in the wet as the tyres arent going to be great after a few laps and stretching them out for a single stop which is still the fastest most likely will cause a few to make errors.
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Well I'm a couple of seconds off your pace but that's normal. Been close to 19s a couple of times. I haven't touched setup as wasnt sure what to change. I've also only run a handful of laps and i didnt think much or the praga initially but it grew on me.
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Praga will produce closer racing but then also less passing unless there is a track with long straights so keeping the small tracks for slower cars theory will just make it more follow the leader.
I like to keep it as close as possible to real world series - here is the 2014 Praga schedule, so you can see the kinds of tracks they run on:
18-19-21 April Easterraces Zandvoort
23-24-25 May Acceleration Nurburgring
27-28-29 June Pirelli Superprix Zolder
12-13-14 September Brands Hatch Grand Prix Track
3-4-5 October Racing Festival Spa
17-18-19 October Acceleration Assen
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Just dropped the rear wing down 10 degrees and did an 18.8 after a couple of laps. Still seemed pretty planted though. Whst aero and you running Marty?
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I don't wanna race a Prada :( :(
Never thought a car could annoy me so much. :-\
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I don't wanna race a Prada :( :(
Never thought a car could annoy me so much. :-\
Whats so wrong with the Praga, though I think the Porsche gt3 cup car would be a much better and more fun alternative to it the praga is a fairly simple good handling high aero, low power car. Racing it on bigger tracks would make for fun draft racing but on some tracks like VIR north there just wasnt anywere to get a draft done easily enough.
The f138 is much more of a challenge but part of that challenge is setup, strategy and driving in a way to maximise tyre life and find the fastest way to complete a race in the fastest possible time. Main reason I am not sharing a setup in this openly is that if people want to run such a car they will need to sort this out and its the key to driving such cars.
During a season people will still likely share setups as I would and GB would most likely, not actually being in the season then others will need to find their own base setups to try make the car work.
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I don't wanna race a Prada :( :(
Never thought a car could annoy me so much. :-\
Agreed!
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I guess it all depends on what you prefer doing. If you prefer fighting against the car more than against other drivers, then you'd probably prefer the F138...
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I'd prefer the praga over the f138, but I with the praga, anyone who generally came off and kept it under control was back on and at race pace so quick that most of the time it made no difference to the car behind being able to catch or pass them.
THe f138 I can see people coming off and because these cars are so quick they will lose several positions. If they are fast enough they will catch up and pass for positions. I can't get to race pace and im not used to these cars at all, I'm stuck on 1:25 - 1:26 which is massively off pace and I really don't want to spend hours practising with it. I will see how I go race wise, but it just doesn't fit with me for close enjoyable racing, but that's just me. I'm finding all the fast cars like this and the 919, 962c, while they are fun to drive, to be a spaced out races with most of the field hotlapping on their own rather than a decent amount of passing after the first handful of laps in a race.
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For me Id race anything but in a pure race a faster trickier car is much more challenging to race close to others. This makes it more rewarding and more fun in a battle, its still not so easy having a proper battle in a slower car just they give you more time to relax as they tend to be less likely to kill you on a sudden error.
The larger the field the more likely there will be people to battle at all levels, I dont think people will struggle along in too many lonely races if the average field is 24+ in any car.
The WEC fun runs and old school mixed class lmp stuff was also fun and will be something Id expect to do at some point later in the year. The next season will be fun in either car I think but the f138 is definatpy a car that needs some laps to get comfortable with it at any pace. The Praga is a car where more people will easier get closer to the cars limits and so will likely have less passing due to more clean and consistant driving by all.
The F138 is great fun on a longer race run, Im not a huge fan of hotlaping it and the main reason I have done most of my laps on long race sim runs and only 4 or 5 actual qualy runs. Getting laps out of it with the tyres going away is much more fun then I imagined it would be. Optional race strategies will also mix things up but Id much prefer people want to run them later so they can put some more test miles under their belts. Also as I will be away and Id feel better about missng a season in the Prada. ;D
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I just looked back at the race charts of the Formula Renault 3.5 series we did, and there were lots of close packs. So a faster open wheeler doesn't necessarily mean lonely racing. You can see in Shameless's video of the Tuesday fun run in the Praga that there were close battles here and there, and the season field should be even bigger.
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Prada's not an open-wheeler, it's a track day car. >:(
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Prada's not an open-wheeler, it's a track day car. >:(
I think if the Praga wins then Bacchulum will need some pink Prada sponsorship on his beast.
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Prada's not an open-wheeler, it's a track day car. >:(
Amen brother
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Yeah I agree the praga did have some close packs, but the majority of the replay showed the top 3 was the only battle lasting more than a few laps. I know after my pit i was alone for the rest of the race until the last 2 laps, but was no battle and yeah that happens, I have no doubt my car setup and tyre issues played a major part in that. I did try and capture what I could, but for a good 1/4 of that race nothing actually happened worth recording. That's not to say it was a bad race, I'd like to try the pragas on a different style of track.
I'll give the f138 a go and maybe after a few races I'll get used to it. as I said it's not something I'm used to driving and it's not impossible with a joystick. I'm going to soften the rear and see if that helps me put my foot down better out of corners where I know I'm losing time. As for close racing, I'll wait and see how it pans out after the first handful of laps and a race or 2.
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30 signups yet 33 votes between the Praga and F138... some people voting both ? :o
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You are allowed to vote for more then one and its also possible some the havent signed up yet but voted.
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I know you can vote both, thats why I ask as it does seem people have pretty strong opinions on these two. I also meant there are only 30 places in the season.
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30 signups yet 33 votes between the Praga and F138... some people voting both ? :o
I voted both, because I wouldn't mind driving either car.
I'll have to check the track pit boxes, even with the OSRW mod, to see what the hard limit is. Some OSRW mods have 36 pits, for example.
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I can't vote twice! I voted and now all it shows is the count.
Doesn't make sense to vote for 2 cars unless we are going to run both, you should be allowed only 1 vote and that's it!
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Just click the remove vote button and you can vote again. You can make votes on multiple choices which makes sense. You may not mind the f138 or praga but dont want the tatuus so vote for the other two.
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That's right. If you really don't care which car we drive, vote for all 3. If you really want to drive one car in particular, just vote for that one. That's how these polls always work.
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If you dont mind what you will drive then vote all 3 and if you would prefer one over the others just that. So far it seems of 30 signups most would like to drive the praga. This may make the campaign for the f138 a bit trickier later in the year but at some point I think we will have to do an f1 season.
With quite a few new people sogned upnfor thisnseason Idont think the praga is a bad choice. It is an easier car to drive and setup so will stick the large field into closer racing before going for something like LMP or f1 cars that will need some good race craft by everyone in auch a large field.
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The poll pretty much looks like the split between open wheel fans and tin top fans.
There are more tin top fans here so an open wheeler will never win against one. :-\
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Maybe if the Praga wins we should do the F138 in the Thursday league :o
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If you dont mind what you will drive then vote all 3 and if you would prefer one over the others just that. So far it seems of 30 signups most would like to drive the praga. This may make the campaign for the f138 a bit trickier later in the year but at some point I think we will have to do an f1 season.
With quite a few new people sogned upnfor thisnseason Idont think the praga is a bad choice. It is an easier car to drive and setup so will stick the large field into closer racing before going for something like LMP or f1 cars that will need some good race craft by everyone in auch a large field.
This is pretty much what changed my vote. I had been voting for the F138 only previously. Having looked at the current line up of drivers and realized that I don't know many of the drivers or their racecraft, I changed my vote to the Praga. I would prefer to find out who's who in something a little more manageable.
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After trying both i found the r1 much easier to learn and be consistent in. In the f138 i may as well be called pastor ;)
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Maybe if the Praga wins we should do the F138 in the Thursday league :o
No, I don't think so.
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If you dont mind what you will drive then vote all 3 and if you would prefer one over the others just that. So far it seems of 30 signups most would like to drive the praga. This may make the campaign for the f138 a bit trickier later in the year but at some point I think we will have to do an f1 season.
With quite a few new people sogned upnfor thisnseason Idont think the praga is a bad choice. It is an easier car to drive and setup so will stick the large field into closer racing before going for something like LMP or f1 cars that will need some good race craft by everyone in auch a large field.
This is pretty much what changed my vote. I had been voting for the F138 only previously. Having looked at the current line up of drivers and realized that I don't know many of the drivers or their racecraft, I changed my vote to the Praga. I would prefer to find out who's who in something a little more manageable.
At least you understood that typo infested phone post lol.
This is also a good reason for those that have not yet ran a season with the league to jump into the practice races like we have tonight in the f138.
The numbers will be lower then in a regular season and many of the regulars dont seem to join the mid season stuff but its good for new people to get used to racing with others here.
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Maybe if the Praga wins we should do the F138 in the Thursday league :o
No, I don't think so.
Hope you realize that was a joke. I love Thursday cars. Probably more so than Tuesday seasons.
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Maybe if the Praga wins we should do the F138 in the Thursday league :o
No, I don't think so.
Hope you realize that was a joke. I love Thursday cars. Probably more so than Tuesday seasons.
No offence taken
I sure was hoping it was a joke! :)
For me it would have to on pit speed limiter :)
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Maybe if the Praga wins we should do the F138 in the Thursday league :o
No, I don't think so.
Hope you realize that was a joke. I love Thursday cars. Probably more so than Tuesday seasons.
No offence taken
I sure was hoping it was a joke! :)
For me it would have to on pit speed limiter :)
Thursday would be perfect for the 98t, its old but I think faster and harder to drive then the f138. ;)
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Maybe if the Praga wins we should do the F138 in the Thursday league :o
No, I don't think so.
Hope you realize that was a joke. I love Thursday cars. Probably more so than Tuesday seasons.
No offence taken
I sure was hoping it was a joke! :)
For me it would have to on pit speed limiter :)
Thursday would be perfect for the 98t, its old but I think faster and harder to drive then the f138. ;)
Yeah I love driving that but it is pretty hard. When I haven't driven it for a while I usually spin coming out of the pits.
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Id rather the f1 doesnt win next season but if its only 1 race then an hour or hour and half isnt much. The longer the race the more the tyre strategy is a focus without needing silly and overdone multipliers on tyres that pretty much would rule out the softest compounds.
I know what you mean Marty,but i am sure there are few of us here that after 45 minutes racing need a scotch on rocks with a twist :)
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The Praga it is.
Anyone calling it the Prada will be docked 5 championship points :)
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The Praga it is.
Anyone calling it the Prada will be docked 5 championship points :)
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