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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on September 21, 2016, 06:35:03 PM
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After our last two seasons in open wheelers then road cars, it's time for another GT season. I've picked the 3 most popular options from the "Future Season Ideas" poll.
All options would feature a mix of round formats of 1 hour long races with 2 pitstops, and 2 half hour races with 1 pitstop each, in typical GT2 or GT fashion.
GT2 - Ferrari 458 GT2, BMW M3 GT2, Corvette C7R
No ABS or TC, featuring BOP ballast. Pick a car and keep it for the season.
GT4 - Single make, Maserati GranTurismo MC GT4
This car already has no TC or ABS. The car is included in the Red Pack DLC.
GT4 - Single make, Lotus 2 Eleven GT4
No ABS or TC (if it isn't already the case!)
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cmon guys lets stop this 15 different types of cars,,,,,,lets go for a bloody SINGLE MAKE MATE!!!!! LOL I voted maserati
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cmon guys lets stop this 15 different types of cars,,,,,,lets go for a bloody SINGLE MAKE MATE!!!!! LOL I voted maserati
Multi make series do make it interesting when different cars have strengths and weaknesses.
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Need more power!
Where's the C9 option? ???
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cmon guys lets stop this 15 different types of cars,,,,,,lets go for a bloody SINGLE MAKE MATE!!!!! LOL I voted maserati
Multi make series do make it interesting when different cars have strengths and weaknesses.
I do miss the historics in GT Legends/rFactor, a mixed, diverse field where you purchase power allow some fantastic racing fellows.
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Great fun racing in the Escort at Silverstone, especially liked the opening laps of race three until I found a grass edge!
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The BMW/Ferrari/Corvette feels the same as all the other GT cars we've driven before so I voted for the other two.
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But the GT4's are so gutless it might as well be another street car season. :-\
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But the GT4's are so gutless it might as well be another street car season. :-\
Gt4 class is pretty much street cars on slicks, at least without ABS and TC in the gt2 cars it makes them more fun to drive the the gt3 cars we drove. Actually the one car we forgot about is the scg p45 but its stuck in the middle of gt2 and gt3 so likely would be hard to balance out with the other 3.
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But the GT4's are so gutless it might as well be another street car season. :-\
The Maserati, with no ABS or TC, moves around a bit when you push it, and is quite fun to drive. It only has hard tyres, if I remember correctly.
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I'll close this poll Saturday night. It's close...
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Why is there no ABS and TC for the GT2s and the Maserati? ???
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Why is there no ABS and TC for the GT2s and the Maserati? ???
It's to make them a little more error prone, so there's more chance of mistakes and catching up etc. The Maserati doesn't have any ABS or TC by default (I'm pretty sure).
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Why is there no ABS and TC for the GT2s and the Maserati? ???
As Wally said the Maserati has no aids on factory settings, the gt2 cars I think have fairly different levels of factory aids between them. I dont think any of them have ABS but TC in the bmw is very basic and much more advanced in the ferrari, I dont know what the c7 has but other then making them a bit more of a challenge to drive taking off aids balances them all out a bit better too.
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A big swing in the poll!
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A big swing in the poll!
Thank god
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I guess people prefer street cars over gt cars, gt4 is a just street car roll cage and slicks..
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Fight, fight, fight! ;D
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I guess people prefer street cars over gt cars, gt4 is a just street car roll cage and slicks..
Isn't GT2/GT3 as well (apart from the performance balancing changes)?
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GT3's are factory built, street legal, racecars.
GT2 are pure built, street illegal, racecars.
I don't think there's BoP in GT2. :-\
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GT3's are factory built, street legal, racecars.
GT2 are pure built, street illegal, racecars.
I don't think there's BoP in GT2. :-\
We have gt2 and gte though with the c7 being gte so lemans gt endurance spec. Gt2 is the older spec car which gte has evolved from. GTE has BOP and this was a big issue at the last lemans race. ;)
http://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsport/le-mans-a-question-of-balance-as-porsche-cries-foul-over-ford-gt-on-eve-of-race/news-story/4db82d44656209bfafa33a46b5f054f7
GT3 and GT2 are both nothing to do with the street cars other then basic body shape. You cant buy a rwd r35 gtr, you cant buy a bentleigh even close to the gt3 car, in japan they have a gt3 prius which is nothing like the road car other then basic shape and name.
GT4 is generally a factory prepared ready to race class, basic road cars with minimal modifications other then for safety.
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The Porsche GT3 is road legal (my old boss bought one), basically a stripped down road car with roll cage.
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The Porsche GT3 is road legal (my old boss bought one), basically a stripped down road car with roll cage.
But its not even close to the gt3 spec car its just gt3 in the name like the lotus evora gte which is a road car and has no relevance to the fia gte races spec.
Im sure when the Porsche packs come many will be confused by their car naming. They have road cars named gr2 gt3 and gt4 yet they arent in any way the same as their race spec gt cars.
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Yes, right. The Maserati MC4 is also specced as a racecar - it's not a road car.
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Marty: as far as I understand, GTE cars must have the same chassis platform as the roadgoing car, and the same suspension geometry (if not, they must have double wishbone everywhere). Engine can be different, but must be based on road vehicle of the same manufacturer. And also anything other than RWD is forbidden. If I am not wrong (please correct me if so) then saying that they only have the body shape of the roadgoing car is a bit unfair (it makes it sound like they are like the Australian supercars). I think that very similar rules apply to GT3, but with different rules about engine restrictions, electronic aids, aerodynamic appendices, but I still do not remember them having to be road-legal. Am I wrong?
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Group GT3
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Group GT3, known technically as Cup Grand Touring Cars[1] and commonly referred to as simply GT3, is a set of regulations maintained by the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) for grand tourer racing cars designed for use in various auto racing series throughout the world. The GT3 category was initially created in 2005 by the SRO Group as a third rung in the ladder of grand touring motorsport, below the Group GT1 and Group GT2 categories which were utilized in the SRO's FIA GT Championship, and launched its own series in 2006, the FIA GT3 European Championship. Since then, Group GT3 has expanded to become the de facto category for many national and international grand touring series, although some series modify the ruleset from the FIA standard. By 2013, nearly 20 automobile manufacturers have built or been represented with GT3 machines.
Group GT3 allows for a wide variety of car types to be homologated with almost no limit on engine sizes and configurations or chassis construction or layout. GT3 cars must be based on production road car models in mass production. Performance of all the Group GT3 cars are regulated, either by the GT Bureau of the FIA or by a series' specific ruling body, through a Balance of Performance that adjusts limits on horsepower, weight, engine management, and aerodynamics to prevent a single manufacturer from becoming dominant in the class. The cars in GT3 are designed to have a weight between 1200kg and 1300kg with horsepower between 500hp and 600hp. All cars have a very similar power to weight ratio but achieved either by high power and high weight such as the Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG[2] or low power and low weight such as the Porsche 911 GT3.[3] GT3 cars also have traction control, ABS and built in air jacks for quick pit stops.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_GT3
GT4 European Series
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The GT4 European Series, formerly known as both GT4 European Cup is a sports car championship created by the Stéphane Ratel Organisation (SRO) and organised by GT-Future GmbH. It is an amateur championship which followed a formula similar to the FIA GT3 European Championship, which was itself derived from the FIA GT Championship which utilized the GT1 and GT2 classes. The GT4 class cars are the least powerful of the four classes, yet are equalised in order to allow driving skill to become key.
Vehicles
GT4 class cars are mostly what can be referred to as track day cars, which are factory-built race cars available to the public. However, custom-built cars based on production models can also be built by teams. All cars are test driven by the FIA and then modified so that they all have near identical performance levels. Once a car has been approved by the FIA, it cannot be modified by the teams, eliminating continual development costs for constructors. All cars run on regulated Pirelli tires and Continental tires to further equalize performance.
The following cars are currently homologated for GT4:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GT4_European_Series
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Some GT3 cars compared to their original road cars.
(http://autoguide.com.vsassets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/bentley-continental-gt3-2.jpg)
(http://www.drive.com.au/content/dam/images/g/m/k/k/0/b/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.gmkjpz.png/1454549315652.jpg)
Even the Maserati has fairly modified aero bits.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3JS-OSsZ-GY/VnMvqiaQNzI/AAAAAAAAfOE/VcU8h4iLnsc/s1600/maserati-participation-2016-gt4-events-6.jpg)
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--lUfOloy1--/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_center,h_450,q_80,w_800/18ay4h5vep1jkjpg.jpg)
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Marty: thank you. But I have always found those paragraphs very vague: "based on"? "almost no limitation"? So I tried to read this: http://www.fia.com/fia-wec-technical-regulations-grand-touring-cars-lmgte-2016 . What I wrote is what I thought I understood from that. But since I am quite ignorant of these things, I m not sure I understood.
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In a nutshell:
GT4 is what GT3 used to be, before manufacturers got involved. ;)
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By the looks of it gt4 will become gt3, gt3 will become more like the old gt1 and they will make a new GT5 or is that GT autosport as I think thats the next gran tourismo game. ;D
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I'm confused. Does this mean the Reliant Robin is GT2 or GT3?
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It seems that what I wrote is kind of right for GTE but that gt3 cars have very little regulations... http://gt3europe.com/faq.php
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All I meant was its nice to do a single make series
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Hello guys,i did few laps with the maserati but the brake is not working(only the maserati) do you think i am missing something??
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Same for me, not my favorite car the Maserati. Voted for the Lotus myself.
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Hello guys,i did few laps with the maserati but the brake is not working(only the maserati) do you think i am missing something??
What do you mean the brake is not working? it has very sensitive brakes and no abs so needs even more care then the Gt2 cars with no ABS. People should possibly try all the cars to see what they want to vote for. I dont really mind what we are running but of the 3 I picked the GT2 cars as the mix of cars will add a bit to it rather then a single make. With the ballasts as Wally set in last tests they are all very close yet all have a different feel to them and different strengths and weaknesses. Picking any of the 3 would give you as good a chance as the others if you get the most out of the car you choose.
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I actually didn't mind the Maserati too much once I got used to it. The brakes are quite sensitive and weak though but it's just a matter of getting used to them. At least it feels a little bit different to a lot of the other other GT cars.
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I still choose the C9. 8)
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Hello guys,i did few laps with the maserati but the brake is not working(only the maserati) do you think i am missing something??
BLOODY HELL!! I MEANT THE CLUTCH......geeezz i am getting older,ye the clutch is not working,,,anyone?
That 458 GT2 ferrari is great!!!!
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Why is there no ABS and TC for the GT2s and the Maserati? ???
It's to make them a little more error prone, so there's more chance of mistakes and catching up etc.
I'm already error prone enough as it is :-\
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Hello guys,i did few laps with the maserati but the brake is not working(only the maserati) do you think i am missing something??
BLOODY HELL!! I MEANT THE CLUTCH......geeezz i am getting older,ye the clutch is not working,,,anyone?
That 458 GT2 ferrari is great!!!!
Simone: it's fully auto-clutch. For race starts (or for turning it around after a spin), just rev it up in neutral and then put it in first. For leaving the pits, just put it in first and go.
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Hello guys,i did few laps with the maserati but the brake is not working(only the maserati) do you think i am missing something??
BLOODY HELL!! I MEANT THE CLUTCH......geeezz i am getting older,ye the clutch is not working,,,anyone?
That 458 GT2 ferrari is great!!!!
Simone: it's fully auto-clutch. For race starts (or for turning it around after a spin), just rev it up in neutral and then put it in first. For leaving the pits, just put it in first and go.
ok grazie
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...aaaaand it's neck and neck again. This is as entertaining as watching the Clinton/Trump polls.
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So,when do we know which car????? i can start practice you know what i mean?!! ;D
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Somebody changed his mind about the GT4 (one vote less than this morning)...
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So,when do we know which car????? i can start practice you know what i mean?!! ;D
The deadline is Saturday night. Then there's a practice week before the season starts, so plenty of time.
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Seeing as my primary choice of the Lotus isn't gonna go anywhere I've moved my vote
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It looks like a 2 horse race, the lotus project has been abandoned by most. You are able to vote for more then 1 choice however so no need to abandon your lotus vote just yet. Let the jockey keep beating it all the way to the glue factory. ;D
You never know some dirt may be leaked on the other candidates and people will flock back to the lotus to either help it out or make sure its properly killed at least.
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Maserati auto clutch???? what the???!!!
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Maserati auto clutch???? what the???!!!
Paddle shifting sequential with no clutch I guess or at least thats what this version of the car is.
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Looks like it will be a gt2 season... Honestly, I was warming up to the Maserati... :(
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I'm still praying for a late charge (and addition to the list) of the C9. ;)
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The seesawing poll has closed, and ended up in a tie*. I've cast the deciding vote and gone for the Maserati (I had voted for both the tied options originally).
* I suspect someone was taking the piss, changing their votes all the time to swing the poll and tie it :)
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Actually, I changed my vote a couple of times at the end there. Originally I was for the Maserati after racing it on a server which was ok and the car was a bit different, then I hotlapped it on the practice server and though it was a bit boring so went back to GT2, but then I came to the conclusion that it would probably promote closer racing and I prefer single make series so I changed back again last night :)
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Yeah, both options have pros and cons.
- Diversity of cars (with strengths and weaknesses at different tracks) vs single make (everyone in the same boat)
- More setup options vs less setup options
- Tyre compound choice for pit stop strategies vs single compound
- Having to choose a car vs no choice
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mmm what to vote for, as the lotus is going no where what do I do :)
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mmm what to vote for, as the lotus is going no where what do I do :)
You are too late... the poll was taken as of last night.
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mmm what to vote for, as the lotus is going no where what do I do :)
You are too late... the poll was taken as of last night.
Wasnt gt2 leading the poll? I will be surprised if we get 20 after a few rounds in the maserati with 29 signed up but its supposedly what the majority wanted so we will see.
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mmm what to vote for, as the lotus is going no where what do I do :)
You are too late... the poll was taken as of last night.
Wasnt gt2 leading the poll? I will be surprised if we get 20 after a few rounds in the maserati with 29 signed up but its supposedly what the majority wanted so we will see.
Poll was tied as of this morning. The Maserati's fun to drive, moving around more and being more lively than the GT2s, in my opinion.
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I've been running the Maserati a bit yesterday and today. It's actually pretty fun. I voted for it mainly due to Marty's ranting. ;D