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Title: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 19, 2014, 10:54:52 PM
[youtube]g643_fQlu1A[/youtube]

I might try the tyre wear multiplier in race 2 again, but maybe 6x this time to make it a little more interesting. I'll do some testing.

Should be an interesting season closer, with the top 3 standings currently being:
1. Marty 136
2. Wally 130
3. Guybrush 126

If we finish the round with the same points as Monza, we'd be heading for:
1. Marty 182
2. Guybrush 176
3. Wally 173
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 20, 2014, 12:00:27 PM
I just did a full length 13 lap stint on 6x tyre wear, and it works better here because the tyres wear more evenly, with a better spread of curves compared to Monza. At Monza, you could fry your rears away while the fronts still had 97% grip, so it would be impossible not to spin. By about lap 11, pretty much all four tyres were down to 90, which is as low as the wear will go on hards, but it is still fairly drivable. It just feels like a lower-grip track surface. It might open up the window for some mistakes late in the race.

So 6x it will be for race 2.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: marty on August 20, 2014, 12:38:36 PM
Sounds interesting but that will be very setup dependant, my wear at Monza was very even with my left front and rear tyres wearing at near exact rates just the front right was about half a lap behind.

This will be a much higher wearing track then monza overall and so tyre use may have a fair impact on the last race. Still Guybrush was getting less wear then I was in the second race at Moza with mine dropping to 97% around lap 5 or 6 but his was much closer to the end. In a few l9nger runs I tried with 5x wear I never dropped below 97% there though.

Is the practice server set for 6x wear Wally as I will give it a run tonight if it is. My server will stay up with short qualy and race at 100% wear most of the week I think. I will be away from sat to Tuesday hopefully back in time for the race at least.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 20, 2014, 01:28:00 PM
I just put the practice server at 6x wear.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: marty on August 20, 2014, 01:35:42 PM
Great thanks Wally.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Bacchulum on August 20, 2014, 04:20:20 PM
It is setup dependent.
My first tyre to go 97% at Monza was my left front :o
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Bird on August 20, 2014, 04:23:23 PM
It is setup dependent.
My first tyre to go 97% at Monza was my left front :o
That would suggest you had a slightly understeery setup.

This may actually be the best test if your setup is more understeery or oversteery.  Altho I'm guessing it's also driving style; if you lock your fronts or light the rears up, there's nothing saving that tyre...
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Bacchulum on August 20, 2014, 04:53:12 PM
You call all my setups understeery Bird! ::)
But I remember you liked my wet ones. ;)
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Bird on August 20, 2014, 04:54:44 PM
You call all my setups understeery Bird! ::)
But I remember you liked my wet ones. ;)

Sorry I don't mean to say they're bad, they're nice and safe, it's just a matter of preference. 
It's really handy in the wet, though, that's for sure :)
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Bacchulum on August 20, 2014, 05:03:43 PM
I know I have a 'unique' driving style through corners, and anyone who's followed me would agree. :P
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on August 23, 2014, 01:07:14 PM
I'm an idiot.  Spent about an hour or so on the XGN server doing a setup, each time thinking that it was too "tailey" and couldn't get it right.

Then after probably an hour and a half I realised that my tyres were at 80-odd percent and remembered the accelerated tyre wear was on!

Phill and I are both saying "it feels slippery", "are you sure the track is at 100%?", "there has to be something wrong", etc.  At least Phill had an excuse...
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 23, 2014, 01:28:01 PM
Thanks for the reminder. I'll put it back to 1x later.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 23, 2014, 06:15:54 PM
I've got the tyre wear back to 1x on the practice server, so Guybrush can weave his setup magic.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on August 24, 2014, 11:19:09 AM
Setup in the usual place.  So far good for my usual 6th place in RSR and a few tenths of the WR.  Not sure how it will go on the tyres though as the front is fairly stiff with a bit extra camber.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 24, 2014, 11:25:05 AM
Thanks GB. I've got to a 1:57.648 with my setup.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: marty on August 24, 2014, 11:36:11 AM
Setup in the usual place.  So far good for my usual 6th place in RSR and a few tenths of the WR.  Not sure how it will go on the tyres though as the front is fairly stiff with a bit extra camber.

Will give it a crack on the server soon, I ran a few laps a couple days ago and struggled with my setup so will see 8f it helps me or its just my driving lol.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on August 24, 2014, 11:59:41 AM
Yeah, 1.55.2 is my best so far, but there is at least another couple of tenths in it as I got a bit sloppy on a couple of corners.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: marty on August 24, 2014, 04:15:01 PM
I didnt get many qualy laps in just worked on the race setup but a bit if guys pace still ok against humans that dont use hax. We will do a 6x wear race test around 8pm on my pickup server if anyone wants to have a test race.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 24, 2014, 05:18:44 PM
I didnt get many qualy laps in just worked on the race setup but a bit if guys pace still ok against humans that dont use hax. We will do a 6x wear race test around 8pm on my pickup server if anyone wants to have a test race.
I got a very strange rash last time I was on your pick up server..
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: marty on August 24, 2014, 05:28:08 PM
I didnt get many qualy laps in just worked on the race setup but a bit if guys pace still ok against humans that dont use hax. We will do a 6x wear race test around 8pm on my pickup server if anyone wants to have a test race.
I got a very strange rash last time I was on your pick up server..

Actualy I think guybrush is taking the words pickup server a little too literal, that rash everyone else mentioned too but once you left everyone was fine and rash free.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 25, 2014, 09:48:14 AM
(http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/nurburg-map-jpg_100205221_m.jpg)


I've noticed there's a car-kicker bottoming up bump between 6 and 7 sometimes. It'd be worth checking your ride heights.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 25, 2014, 10:03:42 AM
(http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/nurburg-map-jpg_100205221_m.jpg)


I've noticed there's a car-kicker bottoming up bump between 6 and 7 sometimes. It'd be worth checking your ride heights.

Guybrush has found a even bigger kicker at turn 14
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 25, 2014, 10:14:36 AM
AKA the kerb there? That's a bumpy part of the track, that chicane.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: marty on August 25, 2014, 11:25:09 AM
That bump seams to be just on the wide line of turn 6 so best to hold a tight line which will also give you a better line into the next corner. If your too wide on 6 you hit the bump unsettle the car and are also going to be too tight for 7 losing speed on the exit.

Guybrush's bump is the big grass hill he renamed the superman jump, it really is his kriptonite as he has spent quite a bit of time trying to perfect his landing.

[youtube]DoBLPmc6Pbo[/youtube]
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 25, 2014, 11:26:02 AM
Ah, yes!
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Bruce on August 25, 2014, 02:08:07 PM
That jump deserves a:


(http://www.officetrend.com.au/pictures/resized/190x190/335%20020%20702.jpg)
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 25, 2014, 02:26:48 PM
I need to make a clip from last night. Marty in front is me. From over head I see a abarth flying over me and lands directly on top of Marty. I sail through for the victory. Even if it wasn't the last lap
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: marty on August 25, 2014, 02:35:37 PM
Did everyone see Guybrush's first race in the GP3's at Spa. At least we also know his real name now Constantine Tareschenko  ;D

[youtube]LIqOUnvTnAM[/youtube]
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: G0RGAK on August 25, 2014, 06:50:51 PM
Ahhhh, what the heck is going on, are we using formula abarth or dtm? I've been working on my setup all day for abarth, and it also looks like now i'm out of the race series?
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: marty on August 25, 2014, 06:59:33 PM
Ahhhh, what the heck is going on, are we using formula abarth or dtm? I've been working on my setup all day for abarth, and it also looks like now i'm out of the race series?

Last round of Abarth at Nurburgring tomorrow, not sure if your a reserve or main starter Wally can confirm that for you but we have only been getting 20-21 starters this season so there should be a spot on the night.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 25, 2014, 07:02:44 PM
Ahhhh, what the heck is going on, are we using formula abarth or dtm? I've been working on my setup all day for abarth, and it also looks like now i'm out of the race series?

We've been using the formula Abarth all season, and you're on the grid!
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: G0RGAK on August 25, 2014, 07:03:10 PM
Thanks wally.

As far as lap times go, what are u guys getting (roughly) with full race setup, after looking at rsr i'm well off the pace, but i have not set my car up for qualifying.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 25, 2014, 07:05:06 PM
1:57ish for me in race trim.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: G0RGAK on August 25, 2014, 07:10:55 PM
1:57ish for me in race trim.

Back to the drawing board, lol
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 26, 2014, 12:38:35 AM

[youtube]CPZagswOSI0[/youtube]
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Freezer on August 26, 2014, 07:33:58 AM
Thanks wally.

As far as lap times go, what are u guys getting (roughly) with full race setup, after looking at rsr i'm well off the pace, but i have not set my car up for qualifying.
I had my first run last night and a 1.59.1 was my best but I was having a lot of trouble stringing a clean lap together, so hopefully tonight will be better.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Glen73 on August 26, 2014, 07:44:29 AM
Thanks wally.

As far as lap times go, what are u guys getting (roughly) with full race setup, after looking at rsr i'm well off the pace, but i have not set my car up for qualifying.
I had my first run last night and a 1.59.1 was my best but I was having a lot of trouble stringing a clean lap together, so hopefully tonight will be better.

Same, 59 after a half hour run, made a few changes to guys setup so it will absorb the bumps through the chicane.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 26, 2014, 08:52:57 AM
Thanks wally.

As far as lap times go, what are u guys getting (roughly) with full race setup, after looking at rsr i'm well off the pace, but i have not set my car up for qualifying.
I had my first run last night and a 1.59.1 was my best but I was having a lot of trouble stringing a clean lap together, so hopefully tonight will be better.

Same, 59 after a half hour run, made a few changes to guys setup so it will absorb the bumps through the chicane.

You guys need to slow down. 1.59.1 is too fast. Why do you need to go so fast?!
Guybrush has been doing 1.55's I think he needs to be swabbed!! Must be on the roids.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 26, 2014, 10:42:20 AM
Thanks wally.

As far as lap times go, what are u guys getting (roughly) with full race setup, after looking at rsr i'm well off the pace, but i have not set my car up for qualifying.
I had my first run last night and a 1.59.1 was my best but I was having a lot of trouble stringing a clean lap together, so hopefully tonight will be better.


Where were you having trouble?
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Freezer on August 26, 2014, 10:57:02 AM
Thanks wally.

As far as lap times go, what are u guys getting (roughly) with full race setup, after looking at rsr i'm well off the pace, but i have not set my car up for qualifying.
I had my first run last night and a 1.59.1 was my best but I was having a lot of trouble stringing a clean lap together, so hopefully tonight will be better.


Where were you having trouble?
Mostly in the corners . . . . . just crap driving generally, kept having spins.
I just wish some of the slower drivers would get on here and post their times to make me feel better... ;D
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: marty on August 26, 2014, 10:59:10 AM
You guys need to slow down. 1.59.1 is too fast. Why do you need to go so fast?!
Guybrush has been doing 1.55's I think he needs to be swabbed!! Must be on the roids.


(http://www.xgn.com.au/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=436.0;attach=226;image)
This is my setup.  I am playing, I am the cutest kid in the world and love sim racing, hello kitty and rainbows :)

That is a direct quote from guybrush in an earlier thread.

This shows he doesnt mind talking himself up, also note the size would be an advantage with less weight in a car. Also he hasnt learned to count too high so needs lower numbers in his lap times to understand them properly. He is also in his 30's so clearly using growth hacks and who knows what other hacks he uses so we need a thorough scrutineering check of his car after qualifying.

My pace is struggling with a best of 2:03 so will see where that ends up.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 26, 2014, 11:38:35 AM
Where were you having trouble?
Mostly in the corners . . . . . just crap driving generally, kept having spins.
I just wish some of the slower drivers would get on here and post their times to make me feel better... ;D
Well I didn't think you'd be coming off on the straights ;)


Here's my setup:


https://www.dropbox.com/s/8rrgoncby3608xv/Wally-Tatuus-Nurburgring-157648.ini?dl=0


Wings 10/8, diff power = 10%
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 26, 2014, 11:52:23 AM
Apparently, I've done a 2.01.
I know last night I found a few spots where I was making huge mistakes. I was throwing down PB's one after the other. Think I have maxed out now.

I would like XGN to recruit the 15 drivers bellow me...
http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&car=18&track=15&p=&nationality=Australia
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: marty on August 26, 2014, 12:14:16 PM
Apparently, I've done a 2.01.
I know last night I found a few spots where I was making huge mistakes. I was throwing down PB's one after the other. Think I have maxed out now.

I would like XGN to recruit the 15 drivers bellow me...
http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&car=18&track=15&p=&nationality=Australia

I noticed that both you and guy are running lower temp 22c ambient bit of a bug in game as in mp you run whatever you set it to in sp. I figured rsr pro 26c would be best until servers have control of temps. Higher temp will likely give you more grip anyway but may reduce tyre life.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 26, 2014, 12:18:30 PM
Apparently, I've done a 2.01.
I know last night I found a few spots where I was making huge mistakes. I was throwing down PB's one after the other. Think I have maxed out now.

I would like XGN to recruit the 15 drivers bellow me...
http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&car=18&track=15&p=&nationality=Australia (http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&car=18&track=15&p=&nationality=Australia)

I noticed that both you and guy are running lower temp 22c ambient bit of a bug in game as in mp you run whatever you set it to in sp. I figured rsr pro 26c would be best until servers have control of temps. Higher temp will likely give you more grip anyway but may reduce tyre life.


I don't know if it makes a huge difference, but yes, it would be best if everyone had their temperatures set to 26, in the single player settings.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 26, 2014, 12:23:58 PM
Apparently, I've done a 2.01.
I know last night I found a few spots where I was making huge mistakes. I was throwing down PB's one after the other. Think I have maxed out now.

I would like XGN to recruit the 15 drivers bellow me...
http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&car=18&track=15&p=&nationality=Australia

I noticed that both you and guy are running lower temp 22c ambient bit of a bug in game as in mp you run whatever you set it to in sp. I figured rsr pro 26c would be best until servers have control of temps. Higher temp will likely give you more grip anyway but may reduce tyre life.

Thanks Marty.
I notice some people with 'H-shifter not used' get a pro ranking while other don't?
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 26, 2014, 12:30:41 PM
Apparently, I've done a 2.01.
I know last night I found a few spots where I was making huge mistakes. I was throwing down PB's one after the other. Think I have maxed out now.

I would like XGN to recruit the 15 drivers bellow me...
http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&car=18&track=15&p=&nationality=Australia (http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&car=18&track=15&p=&nationality=Australia)

I noticed that both you and guy are running lower temp 22c ambient bit of a bug in game as in mp you run whatever you set it to in sp. I figured rsr pro 26c would be best until servers have control of temps. Higher temp will likely give you more grip anyway but may reduce tyre life.

Thanks Marty.
I notice some people with 'H-shifter not used' get a pro ranking while other don't?


I don't think the H shifter comes into it. You have to be in "pro mode" - i.e. no assists at all, and the ambient temp has to be 26. I think that's all you need.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: marty on August 26, 2014, 12:34:25 PM
I think its still pro h shifter or not and these cars are sequential shift anyway. Some people do turn on auto blip and lift which I dont think would make a difference in these cars but ive never enabled that.

Pretty sure all sequential paddle shift cars have auto blip and lift as I flat shift these up and also dont blip down like I would with a h shifter car. The tatuus seems to be a sequential but with a shifter as there are no paddles on the incar wheel but still would have to have auto blip and lift built in as its very noticeable if it needs to be done manually.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 26, 2014, 12:41:30 PM
Apparently, I've done a 2.01.
I know last night I found a few spots where I was making huge mistakes. I was throwing down PB's one after the other. Think I have maxed out now.

I would like XGN to recruit the 15 drivers bellow me...
http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&car=18&track=15&p=&nationality=Australia (http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&car=18&track=15&p=&nationality=Australia)

I noticed that both you and guy are running lower temp 22c ambient bit of a bug in game as in mp you run whatever you set it to in sp. I figured rsr pro 26c would be best until servers have control of temps. Higher temp will likely give you more grip anyway but may reduce tyre life.

Thanks Marty.
I notice some people with 'H-shifter not used' get a pro ranking while other don't?


I don't think the H shifter comes into it. You have to be in "pro mode" - i.e. no assists at all, and the ambient temp has to be 26. I think that's all you need.

I'm sure I have all driving aids turned off. Could be onto something with the ambient temp.
I'm not too fussed about it. More curious than anything. Once I'm within a few seconds of WR times I might 'stress' about the little things more.

I think its still pro h shifter or not and these cars are sequential shift anyway. Some people do turn on auto blip and lift which I dont think would make a difference in these cars but ive never enabled that.

Pretty sure all sequential paddle shift cars have auto blip and lift as I flat shift these up and also dont blip down like I would with a h shifter car. The tatuus seems to be a sequential but with a shifter as there are no paddles on the incar wheel but still would have to have auto blip and lift built in as its very noticeable if it needs to be done manually.

Why blip anyway? What's it about? Keeping turbos spinning? Why not just flat shift?
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: marty on August 26, 2014, 12:51:39 PM
The lift is for the up shift in any car you need to lift a little to shift up, every sequential car will likely have auto lift which will cut throttle at the point of the up shift.

The blip is on the down shift where you give a little throttle to rev match and avoid compression locking the rear tyres on entry. So auto blip and shift will do this for you if running a manual shifting car using sequential shift you may want to enable these but if using a h shifter I dont think they would work properly anyway so you need to do it manually.

Regarding ambient temps not a big deal in terms of records but as in mp the server cant set this yet its best if there is an agreed temp. Track temps have quite a big effect on grip levels so it would be nice to have server set temps in the next update as many people would be running different temps without even realising. I think you and guy would actually be quicker at 26c instead of 22c with a little higher temps to get some more temps into the tyres.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: G0RGAK on August 26, 2014, 01:09:25 PM
You guys need to slow down. 1.59.1 is too fast. Why do you need to go so fast?!
Guybrush has been doing 1.55's I think he needs to be swabbed!! Must be on the roids.

lol, yeh something ain't right with those times :)

 IMO u should be racing real cars, u obviously have some real talent
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: G0RGAK on August 26, 2014, 01:52:25 PM
Hey do u guys cut corners or stay with both wheels on the black top in corners 14/15, mainly 15?
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 26, 2014, 01:55:53 PM
Hey do u guys cut corners or stay with both wheels on the black top in corners 14/15, mainly 15?
I don't take too much kerb there at all. It unsettles the car too much. I think I clip the kerb a little on the left on entry, but avoid it on exit, trying to get the power down.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 26, 2014, 02:03:13 PM
Hey do u guys cut corners or stay with both wheels on the black top in corners 14/15, mainly 15?

Well, Guybrush might not admit it's a cut. But he comes through 14-15 here pretty quick. His racing line is questionable. I'm pretty new to racing so I might be wrong. He does come past on the left. I'm not sure this is a legitimate overtake.
[youtube]CPZagswOSI0[/youtube]
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: marty on August 26, 2014, 02:07:00 PM
Hey do u guys cut corners or stay with both wheels on the black top in corners 14/15, mainly 15?

On that chicane I avoid hitting too much of it just use the lower kerbs but stay inside the big ones. Too much kerb and it unsettles these cars and you will lose time, and Im pretty sure we all are using the slower left chicane not the faster one to the right.  ;)
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on August 26, 2014, 03:10:52 PM
Hey do u guys cut corners or stay with both wheels on the black top in corners 14/15, mainly 15?

Well, Guybrush might not admit it's a cut. But he comes through 14-15 here pretty quick. His racing line is questionable. I'm pretty new to racing so I might be wrong. He does come past on the left. I'm not sure this is a legitimate overtake.
[youtube]CPZagswOSI0[/youtube]

I think I took a bit too much curb and it unsettled the car.

I take a lot of the first curb and try to keep away from the second, only running across the really shallow curb.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: marty on August 26, 2014, 04:36:42 PM
Hey do u guys cut corners or stay with both wheels on the black top in corners 14/15, mainly 15?

Well, Guybrush might not admit it's a cut. But he comes through 14-15 here pretty quick. His racing line is questionable. I'm pretty new to racing so I might be wrong. He does come past on the left. I'm not sure this is a legitimate overtake.
[youtube]CPZagswOSI0[/youtube]

I think I took a bit too much curb and it unsettled the car.

I take a lot of the first curb and try to keep away from the second, only running across the really shallow curb.

I think your confusing the grass hill with a kerb, kerbs are the red and white painted bits the green bit is a hill which is a little different and not used by many as it unsettles the car a bit.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 26, 2014, 06:10:04 PM
Server is UP.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: crimespree on August 26, 2014, 06:21:36 PM
I'm gonna miss this one sorry. Stars have aligned and my wife is home and our 3 babies are away. This NEVER happens so we will be enjoying our night!
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 26, 2014, 06:22:54 PM
Hey do u guys cut corners or stay with both wheels on the black top in corners 14/15, mainly 15?

Well, Guybrush might not admit it's a cut. But he comes through 14-15 here pretty quick. His racing line is questionable. I'm pretty new to racing so I might be wrong. He does come past on the left. I'm not sure this is a legitimate overtake.
[youtube]CPZagswOSI0[/youtube]

I think I took a bit too much curb and it unsettled the car.

I take a lot of the first curb and try to keep away from the second, only running across the really shallow curb.

I think your confusing the grass hill with a kerb, kerbs are the red and white painted bits the green bit is a hill which is a little different and not used by many as it unsettles the car a bit.

On a side note. It took about 6 weeks to upload that 16 second vid. 16MB total. I'm not sure if I'm exporting from premiere at best size. Marty? any advice?
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: marty on August 26, 2014, 06:35:49 PM
6 weeks seems a stretch seeing it only happened a few days ago  ;D what size was the file after you encoded it in premiere. Even at 50Mbps that should only be 6.25MB per second so 16 seconds would be 375MB. Which is still overkill at 1080p and you could do 20Mbps would be 93.75MB. Make sure you dont confuse megabits Mb and megabytes MB as there are 1MB=8Mb
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Vipergod on August 26, 2014, 06:49:19 PM
Sorry guys i'm out tonight
I have had the rotten flu thats going around for a week and i feel like shite
Have fun and will catch you next race
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 26, 2014, 07:03:41 PM
Sorry guys i'm out tonight
I have had the rotten flu thats going around for a week and i feel like shite
Have fun and will catch you next race

No worries Crimespree and Viper. Crimespree, I'm sure your wife would like to just sit there and watch you race ;)
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Mopz on August 26, 2014, 08:12:23 PM
I'm out again tonight also.. Unexpected guests arrived and they waantr to play ac.. Probably not suitable to throw them in the league.. Me being so unreliable this season I think I'll go as a reserve for the next
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 26, 2014, 11:04:31 PM
Race Results (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/s2r5-formula-abarth-at-nurburgring.html)
Season Standings (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/season-2-standings.html)
Season Statistics (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnDaDoQGyFTddEZVTzRoZ0ZOR3NtNnNjcl8xVGpPSUE&usp=sharing#gid=34)

Congratulations to Guybrush on the race wins and the overall round win.

Round Points
Guybrush Threepwood   50
Marty   46
Wally   44
Bacchulum   42
cramjet   36
Gratulin   36
Ysu   35
Rob   32
Freezer   31
Phil   29
Grubbet   28
Insomniac   27
Rolz   26
Imperious   25
GWyar   19
Dave O   19
Schmittez   14
G0RGAK   12
Dick Forrest   8

Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 27, 2014, 09:05:38 AM
Had a great 1st race. Came 17th I think. As I've said. Just bringing it home on the lead lap without any spins is a win for me.

Unfortunately, that concentration took it out of me and I felt very drained for race two. Was having troubles looking at the screen, eyes had enough. Had a few moments. Managed to push GORGAK off track on the back straight. So I was happy with that. Spun out and went to the pits and tried to re-start the session. But no takers.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 27, 2014, 09:42:54 AM
They were pretty uneventful races for me. Qualified 3rd, started 3rd, finished 3rd.
*Bangs knife and fork on table*
Ballast! Ballast! Ballast!


The race 2 lap times are interesting, as expected, when you click on a driver's name in the race 2 results. You can really see how lap times plummeted from lap 11/12 as the tyres fell off the cliff.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: cramjet on August 27, 2014, 09:49:31 AM
I didn't set a decent qualy in the first race so started 12th or so. Made it up to 7th or so in the first couple laps and then had a good battle with Gratulin - I felt like I caught up through the twisties thanks to  my super high downforce but even if I was right on his sphincter leading onto a straight he seemed to pull away (or atleast out run my draft) once we grabbed 6th gear. I didn't want to ruin either of our races so didn't make any big moves. Made for many laps of tight racing :D

Second was much the same except I qualified 4th. Coming out of the first corner Bird in front of me had a spin and I couldn't avoid it without hitting someone else so I made a juicy t-bone out of him. My tyres turned to jelly around lap 11 (fronts 93ish, rear 90) - it felt like driving the cobra. I had a terrible lap adjusting to it which is when Gratulin flew past again but the next lap his too fell off the cliff. We had a great battle for the line, both sliding all over the place. I saw he had a funny line around the final corner so set myself up for a good exit resulting in a drag for the line. Probably one of the most enjoyable races I've had - thanks Gratulin!
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Gratulin on August 27, 2014, 10:11:22 AM
Yes cramjet - great fun! Totally drained me though - after the races I needed a cuppa tea, a BEX and a little lie down :)

I would also like to lodge a formal protest against your team. It scared the living daylights out of me when I saw this huge CRAMDICK overtake me on the finish line in Race 2. :) :)

EDIT: Here's the photo to prove it  ;D ;)


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Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Glen73 on August 27, 2014, 10:15:05 AM
Report,

Qualify, got a 58.1 in my first stint, couldn't quite grab a 57 in my second 3 lap stint I couldn't time my run in traffic.

Race 1, got smashed, resumed 1 minute behind the field blah blah blah  ;D
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: marty on August 27, 2014, 10:16:22 AM
Thanks all was an interesting season, fun in its own way but very deja vu with me chasing guybrush the last few races which I think Wally was following me home in all those too. I knew guy had at least .5 oer lap on me and he always puoled a bit more of a gap the first few laps then just managed the gap. If I got a little closer he just dug into the reservers and found another half second.

Race 2 I hoped I had a bit more chance as we were both trying to limit tyre load but then any time I pushed a little harder he just pushed that bit more slowly pulling away again. I hoped to stay close enough to be able to take advantage of his tyres going off but mine went a lap before his and were completly shot the last 2 laps. I had a couple big drifts as I tried to push on but seeing the gap get larger I just had to back off to make sure I stayed on track.

Though trying to keep guys car from getting much smaller was fun and chalenging in its own way I enjoyed my bad races more. Those where I started from the pits at silverstone charging back through the pack and race 2 getting a bump putting me at the back of the pack again only to come second by a very small margin. Also battling through the pack at mugello after my car ate a kerb was quite fun but that also made me avoid most kerbs in every race after that which probabaly cost me a couple tenths a lap using a little less track.

Next season should be fun with a mixed grid and sadly me winning the season means I will end up in the same car as guybrush probably and Im having trouble beating him that way lol. If Darren was around to battle with him Id have more chance as they may slow eachother down racing so I may be able to keep up.

Should be for some more interesting racing though just as long as it doesnt turn around 180 for the quicker guys being stuck at the back of the field with the field shrinking in the distance in cars we cant keep up with. Ideally it would give all drivers a fair chance of winning and not just turn the racing upside down.

Thanks Wally for all the work and the results timing is great to see how you do lapwise during the race compared to all others.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 27, 2014, 10:30:21 AM
...Ideally it would give all drivers a fair chance of winning and not just turn the racing upside down...


That's exactly what it will do. It's not about reversing the field, or anything like that. It's about bunching the field up and giving others a sniff at a chance to win. We've had years of experience with ballast systems, don't forget ;)
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Freezer on August 27, 2014, 12:20:53 PM
Qual: Managed to set a PB so was happy with 9th.
R1: "You cant win it at T1 they say" - well that didn't stop someone slamming into the back of me and sending me through the air.  The game then put me back to the pits!   From there the fun began trying to put some passes on and get back.  Unfortunately as I got a run on Schmittez down the last straight he moved over and we both ended up in the grass.  Pushed on after that to come home 14th.
Q2  Improved one spot albeit with a slower time for 8th.
R2:  This was a much higher intensity race as I managed to grab three on the limit passes to get into 5th.  I was slowly catching Grattulin but by the second last lap the rears fell down to 90% so although he was in sight the last lap was all about keeping it on the track.
Well done to all and thanks Wally for another well run season... 
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Glen73 on August 27, 2014, 02:03:11 PM
So is there any chance these T1 smashes are going to get cleaned up, clearly myself and Freezer both got the rotten end last night, both launched into the stratosphere


(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/glen73/a5555035-1897-4655-8b7a-7ec887924ac0.png)



At least Freezer's pit box must have been closer to pit exit as I had to pretty much do the whole straight under pit speed limit, by the time I got back out it would have been 20 minutes of hot lapping....... hence I quit.
Title: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Gratulin on August 27, 2014, 02:38:41 PM
I saw your two cars fly in the corner of my screen. You can see my car in the picture. I had a car warp severely in front of me at the end of the straight. It disappeared and reappeared so I slowed down cause I didn't t really know where it was. I think it was Cramjet so I will add it to my protest against CRAMDICK RACING :D :D
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 27, 2014, 03:06:31 PM
I saw your two cars fly in the corner of my screen. You can see my car in the picture. I had a car warp severely in front of me at the end of the straight. It disappeared and reappeared so I slowed down cause I didn't t really know where it was. I think it was Cramjet so I will add it to my protest against CRAMDICK RACING :D :D

If it was CramDick Racing I'm disappointed. Our plan was to wipe 70% of the field out.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: marty on August 27, 2014, 03:51:04 PM
Race 2 I have just missed the start the last 2 rounds in my replay but thats because I hung around in the pits a bit after the race before exiting.

To trim a replay file is very easy, you just view the replay file in game and then drag the start and end points to the bits you want to trim. Then press save and name this new trimed file and you have a short snip of whatever you want to show. Then if you compress the fike with winrar or similar you can compress it again nearly 5 times. The race replays I saved for a full 500MB file in a rar are about 100MB. If you trim to just 30 seconds then these files would only be a few MB in size.

It would also be best to see both peoples replay of an incident as lag may cause it to look quite different from both peoples cars. Points penalties or even grid penalties for next race may help especialy with t1 incidents if its clear someone is at fault.


For comparison here is how the pros start a race, Grosjean did get a race ban for this one though.
[youtube]XUwJUxkpCV4[/youtube]
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 27, 2014, 03:58:27 PM
Race 2 I have just missed the start the last 2 rounds in my replay but thats because I hung around in the pits a bit after the race before exiting.

To trim a replay file is very easy, you just view the replay file in game and then drag the start and end points to the bits you want to trim. Then press save and name this new trimed file and you have a short snip of whatever you want to show. Then if you compress the fike with winrar or similar you can compress it again nearly 5 times. The race replays I saved for a full 500MB file in a rar are about 100MB. If you trim to just 30 seconds then these files would only be a few MB in size.

It would also be best to see both peoples replay of an incident as lag may cause it to look quite different from both peoples cars. Points penalties or even grid penalties for next race may help especialy with t1 incidents if its clear someone is at fault.


For comparison here is how the pros start a race, Grosjean did get a race ban for this one though.
[youtube]XUwJUxkpCV4[/youtube]

Looks like your pubic server Marty. Just needed 'Guybrush's' name floating over the top of Grosjean's car..

I can't wait to see this kinda damage in AC.
That will also, i imagine, cause people to go a bit slower.

I have no doubt it will be warping that caused last night's accident.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 27, 2014, 04:06:17 PM
Ah, good to know - I didn't know about the replay trimming in-game.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: insomniac on August 27, 2014, 05:10:24 PM

I have no doubt it will be warping that caused last night's accident.

Yep I noticed Freezer warping infront of me very severely during second qual. Also noticed cramjet warping a little while I followed in race1.

Not having turned a single lap at Nurburgring GP I am pretty happy with my qual and race results. Unfortunately had a little incident with Bird that lost us both a few spots... sorry mate. Race 2 was a crapshoot on the hards, went higher df to combat sliding etc and this probbaly meant I went a bit harder into the corners and wore my tyres down to 95% by lap 8 or so, then they magically dropped to 90% within half a lap of that and it was over for me so just cruised around.

Bring on the tin tops!
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: marty on August 27, 2014, 05:10:51 PM
I think having realistic damage in a game doesnt deter crashes but encourages them, I have beam ng and have not done a single lap anywhere but crashed into everything I could imagine and thrown it off many cliffs. Mostly due to driving physics being rubbish and crash physics pretty amazing.

If you get cool looking damage people will join a public server trying to make the coolest crash from the back of the pack. No point starting in pole if you want to wreck the entire field.  :D

For league racing though people just need to avoid hitting the car ahead into t1 and that may mean entering slower then you would in a hotlap. If you can gain a position or 2 but if you take yourself and others out of the race your not going to have a good result.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Grubbet on August 27, 2014, 09:31:31 PM
Wasn't me with the bad connection for once! Made my race better too :D

Only made one mistake to finish 10th in the first race.

2nd race started in 9th and made my way to 7th.. then over taken to become 8th. Suddenly my tires gave up and i fell back to 12th :(. the 6X tire wear may have been one too many lol.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 27, 2014, 10:04:52 PM
I thought the 6x wear worked well. The 5x was barely noticeable, and the car was still quite drivable at 90, just a bit more slippery in the last couple of laps.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Bird on August 28, 2014, 10:05:59 AM
I thought the 6x wear worked well. The 5x was barely noticeable, and the car was still quite drivable at 90, just a bit more slippery in the last couple of laps.
yeah, but the funny wear-curve of the tyre made things a bit even, for most of the race.   If it was more linear it'd have been even more interesting :)
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Wally on August 28, 2014, 10:25:37 AM
It's probably fairly realistic though, from what I gather. The real life hards last for ages (several races on one set, in fact), then go off rapidly.
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: Rolz on August 28, 2014, 12:35:59 PM
Mixed bag racing Tuesday night... absolute shocker the first round... and then stayed out of trouble the second round and did ok...

I haven't been putting in the practice the last few weeks, like I should have been, and it's been showing...

Bloody real life getting in the way of my gaming...

Hope this gives you all a laugh like it did for me... thank goodness we can't do this in our sim  :P

[youtube]YBsYzSXxkB4[/youtube]
Title: Re: Round 5: Nurburgring race chat
Post by: marty on August 28, 2014, 03:06:56 PM
I think many people wouldnt even notice if they lost a mirror.  ;D
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