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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Topic started by: Dick Forrest on September 19, 2014, 11:10:34 AM
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Ok.. starting to look around.
Still very poor and will have to go without food, power and petrol for a few months to afford everything.
Found this collecting dust in my local store...
https://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?InventoryItemID=616043&CategoryID=407
What do you guys think? I'm not up with all the magazines an what not atm. It's got lots of BUS speeds. 2x PCIe 3.0 slots..
Next will be CPU and RAM.
remember. I'm 100% Intel and Nvidia Fan boi. Don't even bother talking to me about Radeon or AMD I would rather use blackboard and chalk.
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Looks ok, however...
I'd not buy an ex-demo piece, then hunt for the rest of the pieces.
Reason(s)
Basically when you buy parts from all over the place, if something goes wrong everyone will point to another piece, it can be hard to get warranty, or even just to get it properly tested can be a nightmare (unless you've similar components lying around). If it's all from one spot, it's far easier.
Plus these things can get a bit broken if not handled carefully. A forceful installation can break an inner line and misc errors can happen that are extremely hard to trace.
All in all if you're strapped for cash, buy lower spec items. Getting the fastest is really a matter of extra money.
But also consider this; the speed differences between parts can be very misleading.
Example: you have a ram that's 10% faster.
Great, let's go for it, my computer will be 10% faster, right? Wrong. Your computer will be probably 1-2% faster, because ram operations, while significant, only a part of the picture. Worst case it'll not be faster at all, because it's bottlenecked somewhere else.
So getting good quality matching parts is probably the most important thing here, not getting the highest-specced ones. (having said that, if you got the dough, go for the bling, because in the higher-end components, they usually use higher-end parts, too!)
Sorry for the long post :)
Edit: also, I don't know PLE computers, but I really recommend going with a shop with a known good customer service. (I.e. avoid MSY and the like) - again, this can bite later in case something goes awry. Plus MSY is known for dodgey parts...
PCcasegear & mwave are well tested by me, I can recommend these. pccg is usually the cheaper.
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Looks ok, however...
I'd not buy an ex-demo piece, then hunt for the rest of the pieces.
Reason(s)
Basically when you buy parts from all over the place, if something goes wrong everyone will point to another piece, it can be hard to get warranty, or even just to get it properly tested can be a nightmare (unless you've similar components lying around). If it's all from one spot, it's far easier.
Plus these things can get a bit broken if not handled carefully. A forceful installation can break an inner line and misc errors can happen that are extremely hard to trace.
All in all if you're strapped for cash, buy lower spec items. Getting the fastest is really a matter of extra money.
But also consider this; the speed differences between parts can be very misleading.
Example: you have a ram that's 10% faster.
Great, let's go for it, my computer will be 10% faster, right? Wrong. Your computer will be probably 1-2% faster, because ram operations, while significant, only a part of the picture. Worst case it'll not be faster at all, because it's bottlenecked somewhere else.
So getting good quality matching parts is probably the most important thing here, not getting the highest-specced ones. (having said that, if you got the dough, go for the bling, because in the higher-end components, they usually use higher-end parts, too!)
Sorry for the long post :)
Edit: also, I don't know PLE computers, but I fully recommend going with a shop with a known good customer service. (I.e. avoid MSY and the like)
PCcasegear & mwave are well tested by me, I can recommend these. pccg is usually the cheaper.
Thanks Bird.
yes the warranty drama. I haven't had any bad stories so far. (except PSU's which I always buy locally as they weigh so much) Even though my PC is about 100 years old. I have built quite a few over the years. I'm pretty stupid at softwear and config but I have a IT guru friend for that.
I always seem to get parts from all over the place. I just avoid Ebay.
with this MB. I've seen it in person and it's in a nice perspex desplay case. Very little dust in the whole shop really. I'm a repeat customer and trust them to look after me if it's a dud.
I like that it can hold very fast RAM even if I can't afford very fast RAM 1st thing..
I'm prob more worried about what CPU.. i7 are still very expensive for the 4ghz ones.
I'm not even sure if they are genuine 4 cores? I think the i5s are faux cores or something? Should I care?
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MSY are dodgy as all hell. But they do have some good cheap stuff.
I have only good things to say about PLE. Austin computers are also quite well stocked with stuff but tend to be $10 dearer and hate to haggle. I'll even haggle Coles checkout chicks!!
Bird... are you a West Aussie????
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Really? I've bought nearly everything from MSY over the years and never had a problem. It's just a box of a shelf... I always buy reputable brands, not the cheapest no name thing I can find.
CPU wise, my i5 handles 24 AI in AC. You probably don't need to splash out on an i7.
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Really? I've bought nearly everything from MSY over the years and never had a problem. It's just a box of a shelf... I always buy reputable brands, not the cheapest no name thing I can find.
CPU wise, my i5 handles 24 AI in AC. You probably don't need to splash out on an i7.
Thanks Wally. MSY over here lack customer service to the point of No speak engwish! And dodgy looking plain packaging with 'Microsoft' or 'ASUS' etc hand written on the boxes.
Yeah i5 could be the go. What RAM do you guys use? You are triple screen Wally? One graphics card?
i've got a GTX660Ti. It's just hanging in there on the charts I think..
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I have 8gb ram, and triples with a single 780. In MP, I get around 60-90ish fps, with world detail on max. It's plenty playable for me, but I can't max out settings like smoke, reflections etc.
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CPU: Intel i7 930@2.80GHz
GPU: GeForceGTX670 x 2
Mem: 6GB
Res: 5850x1080, 60Hz (3x24" LG Monitors)
Op. Sys.: Win7Pro 64bit
See all that stuff there?
DON'T get that, that's what I have.
40-50fps on race night, just about all settings low.
It can't do more than around 13 AI either. :(
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Id go with PCCG but also scorptech computers are pretty good though neither have WA shops I think and both are within 5 min of my house lol. PCCG used to be a bit further but now moved closer I assume just because they want me to buy from them. ;D I can walk to scorptech and price wise they are both very close but PCCG has no real shopfront and you cant just go in to buy need to order first so its more of a hassle. If I want something I just check who has it in stock then go get it, no need to paybfor shippimg when they are so close to me.
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CPU: Intel i7 930@2.80GHz
GPU: GeForceGTX670 x 2
Mem: 6GB
Res: 5850x1080, 60Hz (3x24" LG Monitors)
Op. Sys.: Win7Pro 64bit
See all that stuff there?
DON'T get that, that's what I have.
40-50fps on race night, just about all settings low.
It can't do more than around 13 AI either. :(
That Ai limit surprises me, with an i7. But a 930 is on the older /slower end of the spectrum, isn't it?
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CPU: Intel i7 930@2.80GHz
GPU: GeForceGTX670 x 2
Mem: 6GB
Res: 5850x1080, 60Hz (3x24" LG Monitors)
Op. Sys.: Win7Pro 64bit
See all that stuff there?
DON'T get that, that's what I have.
40-50fps on race night, just about all settings low.
It can't do more than around 13 AI either. :(
Ouch! Mr Bacchulum! I hope it's a AC thing not being optimised. Can you play other titles with all the pretty stuff turned up?
Id go with PCCG but also scorptech computers are pretty good though neither have WA shops I think and both are within 5 min of my house lol. PCCG used to be a bit further but now moved closer I assume just because they want me to buy from them. ;D I can walk to scorptech and price wise they are both very close but PCCG has no real shopfront and you cant just go in to buy need to order first so its more of a hassle. If I want something I just check who has it in stock then go get it, no need to paybfor shippimg when they are so close to me.
Would you rate this MB Marty?
https://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?InventoryItemID=616043&CategoryID=407
I'm not scared in ordering stuff from the east. Postage does add up if I buy from here and there though.
But the way i am with cash atm. It will be a bit of a slow build anyway.
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Ouch! Mr Bacchulum! I hope it's a AC thing not being optimised. Can you play other titles with all the pretty stuff turned up?
Don't know, I don't play anything else. :-\
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You don't need fast ram (see my earlier example) and you don't need an i7. It's not that much faster compared to an i5, and the hyperThreading is all you miss, really, apart from the ability to use triple-channel rams. All this adds up to a little extra, but not that much, especially not in gaming. For gaming you need higher cpu speed (GHz) not more threads, in most cases. But the most-most important thing is the gfx in most modern games. Eye candy is rampant :)
So put most of your money into that department.
As for triple screens, they aren't just 'triple screens' - you need the actual resolution to make a call. Again, example:
1920*1200*3 = 6,912,000
1920*1080*3 = 6,220,800
And this is on 3 24" screens in both cases, one 16:10 aspect ratio the other "full HD" 16:9. Imagine if you're on really higher/lower res screens...
Here's my computer I'm on the near 7mpx variant of triple screens, btw.
I haven't seen any cpu warnings - but I haven't tried nordy with a full AI grid, yet, though...hehe
Ok to be honest I haven't raced AI much at all, especially not lately.
The gfx is a bit long in the tooth, though, I need to turn down some details quite a bit.
ASUS p8z77-V Deluxe
Intel i5-3570k
Corsair Vengeance 2x8GB
2x GXT670 (Gigabyte)
SilverStone Fortress FT02B-W
Antec 850W Signature
3x24" Dell eyefinity setup (1920*1200)
Edit:
If I was strapped for cash and upgrading for a single-screen setup, I'd certainly go with a 290 (Ati).
It's far better bang for buck, and single screen + single card setups seldom have issues.
Multi-card, multi-screen...well I've tried that with Ati and I do not recommend it ;)
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PLE is great - I've always bought my parts from them. I actually doubt they would give you grief blaming other parts - they can test any piece quite quickly to identify a fault. I had a faulty RAM stick from them (1 of 4), took it in and they replaced it without even testing it.
I just recently upgraded my CPU and Motherboard - not sure on exact specs but its one of the better i5's. They were the last pieces to be upgraded and made a huge difference in AC (GPU, SSD and RAM done last xmas). If you haven't got a SSD they are great for putting windows/steam on to help with loading times. Leave media/photos and junk on an older HDD.
PLE's just opened a store in Melbourne so maybe y'all will hear about it soon.
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PLE is great - I've always bought my parts from them. I actually doubt they would give you grief blaming other parts - they can test any piece quite quickly to identify a fault. I had a faulty RAM stick from them (1 of 4), took it in and they replaced it without even testing it.
I just recently upgraded my CPU and Motherboard - not sure on exact specs but its one of the better i5's. They were the last pieces to be upgraded and made a huge difference in AC (GPU, SSD and RAM done last xmas). If you haven't got a SSD they are great for putting windows/steam on to help with loading times. Leave media/photos and junk on an older HDD.
PLE's just opened a store in Melbourne so maybe y'all will hear about it soon.
Hey Cramers! i'm sure WA computer stores are WAY better than over east!!
Yep I've got 2x small SSDs. 3 x 500gig HD's and 6-7 portable HD's all kinds of sizes.
why? Photography! and music and also gopro stuff now as well.
Which is why I want lots of fast RAM eventually. All the photo editing and crap I do takes ages sometimes waiting for the computer to work out if it wants to render or crash!
I would like triple screens but I don't really have the room for them just atm.
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Edit:
If I was strapped for cash and upgrading for a single-screen setup, I'd certainly go with a 290 (Ati).
It's far better bang for buck, and single screen + single card setups seldom have issues.
Multi-card, multi-screen...well I've tried that with Ati and I do not recommend it ;)
ATI??? GET OUT!!! :P
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Edit:
If I was strapped for cash and upgrading for a single-screen setup, I'd certainly go with a 290 (Ati).
It's far better bang for buck, and single screen + single card setups seldom have issues.
Multi-card, multi-screen...well I've tried that with Ati and I do not recommend it ;)
ATI??? GET OUT!!! :P
I'm not the one who needs to sell the kids' shoes to buy a new computer....stop whinging about your finances then, and buy a proper 780.
FFS! Sort your bloody priorities out.
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If I was strapped for cash and upgrading for a single-screen setup, I'd certainly go with a 290 (Ati).
It's far better bang for buck, and single screen + single card setups seldom have issues.
Multi-card, multi-screen...well I've tried that with Ati and I do not recommend it ;)
ATI??? GET OUT!!! :P
I'm not the one who needs to sell the kids' shoes to buy a new computer....stop whinging about your finances then, and buy a proper 780.
FFS! Sort your bloody priorities out.
Fine! I will get my priorities sorted.
More tattoos > Computer upgrade
EDIT And i'm talking thousands and thousands of dollars for my next sleeve tattoo!!
Sorry kids! No more schooling for you!!!*
*I'm single, have no children and have no interest in making children or ever getting into another relationship EVER!! Way too much trouble and crap!
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I use PC Case Gear and they have been exceptional.
I built my system with a 7970 overclocked to 1200 Mhz. It hasn't skipped a beat and is overclocked by about 25 - 30% of the original core speed! That is fan cooled.
I too was set on Nvidia when I was ordering all the parts, but at the time the overclocking ability of the ATi card was far superior and it had 3GB of video RAM so more likely to be future compatible for my uses. Especially with all the consoles having much more video memory these days.
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I use PC Case Gear and they have been exceptional.
I built my system with a 7970 overclocked to 1200 Mhz. It hasn't skipped a beat and is overclocked by about 25 - 30% of the original core speed! That is fan cooled.
I too was set on Nvidia when I was ordering all the parts, but at the time the overclocking ability of the ATi card was far superior and it had 3GB of video RAM so more likely to be future compatible for my uses. Especially with all the consoles having much more video memory these days.
I bet that 7970 doubles as room heater!??
I have had Radeon cards before. I felt dirty and like I wasn't in the cool gang anymore. They do seem to get a lot hotter than Nvidia.. but yep they make good cards.. There, I said it.
It is totally a choice thing. Ford v Holden etc......
Holden rools btw...
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.... but yep they make good cards.. There, I said it.
It is totally a choice thing. Ford v Holden etc......
Not quite.
IMO:
ATI is cheaper (better bang for buck)
nV is better in multi-card & multi-screen setup, and have much better drivers, usually
Plus nV has the overall faster cards, usually.
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.... but yep they make good cards.. There, I said it.
It is totally a choice thing. Ford v Holden etc......
Not quite.
IMO:
ATI is cheaper (better bang for buck)
nV is better in multi-card setup, and have much better drivers, usually
Plus nV has the overall faster cards, usually.
Are you Ford or Holden though???
I'd like to see a few more enter the market. I thought Intel where going to produce some kick ass cards but I'm still waiting.
I'd like to see more heat resistant stuff produced. Instead of trying to cool CPU's etc.. why not make them heat resistant?
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Nothing you can do about that, electrons just like cold. 8)
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.... but yep they make good cards.. There, I said it.
It is totally a choice thing. Ford v Holden etc......
Not quite.
IMO:
ATI is cheaper (better bang for buck)
nV is better in multi-card setup, and have much better drivers, usually
Plus nV has the overall faster cards, usually.
Are you Ford or Holden though???
I'd like to see a few more enter the market. I thought Intel where going to produce some kick ass cards but I'm still waiting.
I'd like to see more heat resistant stuff produced. Instead of trying to cool CPU's etc.. why not make them heat resistant?
I am neither. I'm was not born here :)
As for more players entering the market; it does not matter much, it'll always boil down to two. I've read something from a mathematician, that it is the statistical necessity in these cases - just like with parties.
By heat resistant, do you mean not to generate heat? Yeah, it'd be nice, but it's not going to happen for a while...it needs to be 100% superconductive and operate without energy loss. It goes against nature, it'd make perpetuum mobile a possibility. So it's not likely to happen.
Edit: oh soz, you mean so they can have higher operating temps...well, it's a never ending circle even if they do. If you could run it at 200 degrees, you'd clock it so high that it runs near that temp, so it'd need cooling again to get higher... :) Just get a decent waterblock, there are very good all-in-one units. But be careful, with gfx cards you can't always attach them if they're not reference design. Plus, you need to put the radiator somewhere on the case...
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.... but yep they make good cards.. There, I said it.
It is totally a choice thing. Ford v Holden etc......
Not quite.
IMO:
ATI is cheaper (better bang for buck)
nV is better in multi-card & multi-screen setup, and have much better drivers, usually
Plus nV has the overall faster cards, usually.
I think it goes even further and comes down to each price point you are looking at. Some price points Ati have a better option and others Nvidia do... and not necessarily Ati being better at the cheaper end.
Best thing to do Dick is to use Tom's Hardware and look at their monthly "Best GOU for the money" ratings. They break it down for different price points as well. You can also use 3DS Max to see others using your system setup with different cards to see the performance gains.
Are you actually getting a poor frame rate though? It might be better to look at your CPU and RAM?
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Just FYI,
Yes, I'm Ford or Holden.
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Ok just some note on the strength of my CPU; it's all good up to 12 AI at Nordy. At 14 I get the 95% warning, altho it really seems to be just around 95%. At 16 it seems to run all 4 cores to max.
Remember, this is an Intel i5-3570k running at base clock. I shall look into a guide on overclocking it :) The K series can take a bit of o/c as I recall, and the multiplier isn't locked.
Edit: wait, it's already running at 4.2GHz instead of 3.4...but only under load. Still, it seems I've properly clocked this one already :)
It maybe time to get a new CPU and some beefy gfx card...hm...
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Ok just some note on the strength of my CPU; it's all good up to 12 AI at Nordy. At 14 I get the 95% warning, altho it really seems to be just around 95%. At 16 it seems to run all 4 cores to max.
Remember, this is an Intel i5-3570k running at base clock. I shall look into a guide on overclocking it :) The K series can take a bit of o/c as I recall, and the multiplier isn't locked.
Edit: wait, it's already running at 4.2GHz instead of 3.4...but only under load. Still, it seems I've properly clocked this one already :)
It maybe time to get a new CPU and some beefy gfx card...hm...
AI at nords has a fairly big hit on every cpu I think, you can turn off AI collisions and run many more there. Not sure what the issue is but also the negative side effect of doing this is that the AI away from you that go off the road end up flying through the barriers. ;D
Try to see how many AI you can run at monza with official cars as this allows up to 26 and doesnt have the same issues as the very large mod tracks.
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Ah, well, no probs at monza. Mixed field of 26 Pagani & Fezza, all cores were at around 75%.
FPS is shithouse, though. Maybe 'cause I've upped the world detail, but it was just below 30fps on avg
Time for a gtx980 or two :D
Edit:
Eh, it seems the 780 Ti is still better at high res...or is it? Anyone of you guys have gone through the reviews lately?
I'm wondering if there's anything else to consider here aside from the pixel count...3 monitors vs 1x4K I mean. (looking at reviews, they don't usually give us 3-screen results to compare, but 4K tests are run often enough.
Meh...
the question: 780Ti or 980 or 970SLI
Any input is welcome, but please link your sources.
Edit2:
(don't quote this, I've been there:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_970_SLI/20.html
based on this the 970SLI eats everything...)
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Does this help Bird:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html
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every bit helps :)
Although that article talks about the 9xx as rumours, only.
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eh, I was running the x70 SLI so far and it worked really well.
Bit the bullet & ordered two MSI 970's.
These cards are really awesome going by any review out there. :)
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I didnt read all of this but it seems the gist was spurt out specs and amount of ai cars and so on.
3570k @4.2
7970 1100Mhz core 1500Mhz mem
16 Gb 1600 Mhz
single 1080p monitor.
get about 45 average FPS with everything maxed but no AA and normal smoke effects.
got a 95% CPU warning with 31ai on blackwood but frame rates were ok most of the time dipped below 30 a couple times.
The best CPU to go for it probably the 4690(k) not the cheapest but probably the best bang for your buck Intel CPU and something along the lines of a GTX 760 or GTX 770 would do pretty well if your only going single 1080p if you don't want to spend big bucks.
Just my 2c, my opinion might be void as I'm setup in the Subaru camp.
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I didnt read all of this but it seems the gist was spurt out specs and amount of ai cars and so on.
3570k @4.2
7970 1100Mhz core 1500Mhz mem
16 Gb 1600 Mhz
single 1080p monitor.
get about 45 average FPS with everything maxed but no AA and normal smoke effects.
got a 95% CPU warning with 31ai on blackwood but frame rates were ok most of the time dipped below 30 a couple times.
The best CPU to go for it probably the 4690(k) not the cheapest but probably the best bang for your buck Intel CPU and something along the lines of a GTX 760 or GTX 770 would do pretty well if your only going single 1080p if you don't want to spend big bucks.
Just my 2c, my opinion might be void as I'm setup in the Subaru camp.
You should be getting way more than 45 fps. You have virtually the same system as me and I'm running around 80 - 100 FPS and that's at 1440p!
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Just FYI,
Yes, I'm Ford or Holden.
He's more Holden than Ford, I asked him which car would he save if he could only save one while his house was burning down, it was the Holden ;D
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I didnt read all of this but it seems the gist was spurt out specs and amount of ai cars and so on.
3570k @4.2
7970 1100Mhz core 1500Mhz mem
16 Gb 1600 Mhz
single 1080p monitor.
get about 45 average FPS with everything maxed but no AA and normal smoke effects.
got a 95% CPU warning with 31ai on blackwood but frame rates were ok most of the time dipped below 30 a couple times.
The best CPU to go for it probably the 4690(k) not the cheapest but probably the best bang for your buck Intel CPU and something along the lines of a GTX 760 or GTX 770 would do pretty well if your only going single 1080p if you don't want to spend big bucks.
Just my 2c, my opinion might be void as I'm setup in the Subaru camp.
You should be getting way more than 45 fps. You have virtually the same system as me and I'm running around 80 - 100 FPS and that's at 1440p!
Putting faces per frame and cube map all the way to the left has put it up to 100 with 0x AA and about 80 with 8x AA on Monza and 130/140 with no AA at Gen Track, I looked it up and some guy had 3 pictures showing the difference between high and low in those settings and I couldn't tell the difference.
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That's more noticeable while moving than in pictures. The reflections on the car won't update as often, and may look a bit jerky.
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I have my reflections turned down and don't really notice the difference much. When I turn them off the cars look horrible though.
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Gents, I'll have 2x Gigabyte GTX 670s for sale. Looking for around $200 ea. Anyone interested at all here? If not, I'll just put the up for sale somewhere else tomorrow.
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Gents, I'll have 2x Gigabyte GTX 670s for sale. Looking for around $200 ea. Anyone interested at all here? If not, I'll just put the up for sale somewhere else tomorrow.
Why the sale?
$200 each? You're dreaming. $200 the lot. I'll pay for postage.. ;)
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Sale due to upgrade - I've ordered 2x 970's.
Why does $200 sound too much? They still cost around $350 new as far as I can tell.
http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=gtx670&spos=3
I maybe wrong, tho.
But aren't you're thinking abut the 570 series? They worth around $100 ea afaik.
Edit: this is what the card looks like.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/GIGABYTE-NVIDIA-GTX670-Graphics-PCI-E/dp/B008MQYOFQ
It's a lightly factory o/c version, at 941MHz/1020Mhz boost & 1500MHz mem clock.
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Sale due to upgrade - I've ordered 2x 970's.
Why does $200 sound too much? They still cost around $350 new as far as I can tell.
http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=gtx670&spos=3
I maybe wrong, tho.
But aren't you're thinking abut the 570 series? They worth around $100 ea afaik.
Edit: this is what the card looks like.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/GIGABYTE-NVIDIA-GTX670-Graphics-PCI-E/dp/B008MQYOFQ
It's a lightly factory o/c version, at 941MHz/1020Mhz boost & 1500MHz mem clock.
Ok i've done a bit or research. $150 the lot is my last offer.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2014-vga-charts/01-3DMark-FireStrike,3593.html
They are only just a few steps up from mine. And you have been hammering them! Filling them with dust and Hungarian culture...
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Just messing with ya Bird!
They are nice cards. Bit under the curve but still acceptable. I'm surprised at their retail price actually.
Alas, GPU's are last on the shopping list as mine is still just ok... only just.
MB, CPU and RAM is what I need the most...
But I got a few other things on the list 1st. need a new rear bike tyre which is $400 bucks. Bastards!
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No worries. You understand that I had to modify your profile a trifle, to make sure I remember not to take you seriously, pretty much ever...;)
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No worries. You understand that I had to modify your profile a trifle, to make sure I remember not to take you seriously, pretty much ever...;)
Very good. You have got me sussed.
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Just messing with ya Bird!
They are nice cards. Bit under the curve but still acceptable. I'm surprised at their retail price actually.
Alas, GPU's are last on the shopping list as mine is still just ok... only just.
MB, CPU and RAM is what I need the most...
But I got a few other things on the list 1st. need a new rear bike tyre which is $400 bucks. Bastards!
Regarding your bike wheel I think your too much of a fanboy to the kitty brand. Even saying that this bike is $415 including the bike basket and both wheels.
(http://rcdn-3.fishpond.com.au/0055/426/415/112342861/6.jpeg)
http://www.fishpond.com.au/Toys/Hello-Kitty-8108-60TJ-Girls-Bike-50cm-BlackPinkWhite-Hello-Kitty/9999929980952?utm_source=googleps&utm_medium=ps&utm_campaign=AU&gclid=CIXG2Oud9sACFdclvQodz2QAbg
Regarding retail price of old computer hardware, good luck to anyone stuck with new stock 670's if you can get a 970 around that price if not cheaper. Being in retail for computer parts is a mugs game, anything you have when the next gen comes out is pretty much useless and quite likely would be dumped at cost or below.
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erm....a 970 retails above $450, the brand pieces over $500.
There's still a good gap.
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Just messing with ya Bird!
They are nice cards. Bit under the curve but still acceptable. I'm surprised at their retail price actually.
Alas, GPU's are last on the shopping list as mine is still just ok... only just.
MB, CPU and RAM is what I need the most...
But I got a few other things on the list 1st. need a new rear bike tyre which is $400 bucks. Bastards!
Regarding your bike wheel I think your too much of a fanboy to the kitty brand. Even saying that this bike is $415 including the bike basket and both wheels.
(http://rcdn-3.fishpond.com.au/0055/426/415/112342861/6.jpeg)
http://www.fishpond.com.au/Toys/Hello-Kitty-8108-60TJ-Girls-Bike-50cm-BlackPinkWhite-Hello-Kitty/9999929980952?utm_source=googleps&utm_medium=ps&utm_campaign=AU&gclid=CIXG2Oud9sACFdclvQodz2QAbg
*adds to cart.
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Got the new beauties in. Same settings as before gives me ~160 fps at castle hill, except one short part of the track where it drops to ~90.
These guys are the beast :D
If anyone wants me to do some comparative benchmarking, ask me, I may even do it :)
btw, I've run a round of the Unigine heaven, maxed out. I did this before and it started off with around 5-6fps, now around 10-12.
I'm not saying the performance is double, everywhere, but it's certainly very impressive.
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Got the new beauties in. Same settings as before gives me ~160 fps at castle hill, except one short part of the track where it drops to ~90.
These guys are the beast :D
If anyone wants me to do some comparative benchmarking, ask me, I may even do it :)
btw, I've run a round of the Unigine heaven, maxed out. I did this before and it started off with around 5-6fps, now around 10-12.
I'm not saying the performance is double, everywhere, but it's certainly very impressive.
What did you get in the end, Bird?
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What did you get in the end, Bird?
Ah, 2 of these:
MSI GeForce GTX 970 Gaming 4GB (https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=29086)
I think you can even o/c them a bit to gain an extra few %...
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What did you get in the end, Bird?
Ah, 2 of these:
MSI GeForce GTX 970 Gaming 4GB (https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=29086)
I think you can even o/c them a bit to gain an extra few %...
........... Bastard! :) You don't even need 2 of them!! and you want to OC?
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What did you get in the end, Bird?
Ah, 2 of these:
MSI GeForce GTX 970 Gaming 4GB (https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=29086)
I think you can even o/c them a bit to gain an extra few %...
........... Bastard! :) You don't even need 2 of them!! and you want to OC?
I do need two of them. I run 3 screens, and going to one card from two would be a bit of a step backwards.
I don't really want to o/c, just read an article where they said if you o/c these (specifically these) they stand up very well against other factory oc models, even tho the starting point is much lower.
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What did you get in the end, Bird?
Ah, 2 of these:
MSI GeForce GTX 970 Gaming 4GB (https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=29086)
I think you can even o/c them a bit to gain an extra few %...
Nice! On the leading edge.
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I found CPU to to be the major limiting factor..
I run a i5-4670? non K at stock, a slightly OCed GTX670 and 16GB DDR3, AC is on my SSD and I have everything maxxed except for smoke, reflections and mirrors and get a constant capped 101fps. This sometimes dips to around 60 with multiple cars and smoke on the track. Only running a single monitor @ 1920x1200 though.
I would get around 60fps with my old Q9550 @ 3.55Ghz.. and the same GTX670 and ram... go figure.
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Only running a single monitor @ 1920x1200 though.
That's the important bit :)
Altho it still is amazingly good.
Out of interest, do you also have the faces per frame maxed out? (and the rest of the things on that tab?)
Also full screen 8xAA, and 16x anisotropic filtering?
Are these set to be app controlled in the nV panel? (The nv control panel can override any of these!)
(btw being on an SSD makes no difference in FPS, it only affects loading/saving times, when the disk is accessed)
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Nope faces per frame is 1 I think... reflections don't bother me so I have turned them and mirrors right down, along with smoke. 8xAA and 16xAF yes and application controlled in nvcp.
Yeh I find loading times are awesome with it on the SSD compared to hdd.
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yeah I have 2x NVidia GTX670 2GB - I'm on hold upgrading my PC until I see what the DV2 Rift looks like... when I get it and when it works with AC ::)
So far I'm pretty happy with my setup, it dropped to about 50fps on a full Tues night race on the start or 1st corner... I have most of the eye candy turned down 3x Samsung 24" @5760x1080 - the rest of the time it's easy in the 90-100fps
i7 3770K @4.2GHz
2x8GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1866MHz
Though my room gets pretty warm... winter was sweet sitting in shorts and singlet, but with summer coming the fiance is gong to get annoyed if I'm going to be racing and have the AC cranked :P
Rolz ;D
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- I'm on hold upgrading my PC until I see what the DV2 Rift looks like... when I get it and when it works with AC ::)
I realise you need to check it out yourself but I have the DK2 and it is still not good enough to replace a proper triple setup. Resolution and clarity still not there yet. Great fun to play with though!
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I realise you need to check it out yourself but I have the DK2 and it is still not good enough to replace a proper triple setup. Resolution and clarity still not there yet. Great fun to play with though!
I'm after the immersion primarily... if I were to get motion sickness then it would be an even better bonus :P
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I realise you need to check it out yourself but I have the DK2 and it is still not good enough to replace a proper triple setup. Resolution and clarity still not there yet. Great fun to play with though!
I'm after the immersion primarily... if I were to get motion sickness then it would be an even better bonus :P
Immersion is immense with the Rift playing LFS.
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Immersion is immense with the Rift playing LFS.
Sweeeet ;D
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The news only gets sadder...
Today I updated to a Samsung note 4.
My phone has a faster quad core than my PC.
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The news only gets sadder...
Today I updated to a Samsung note 4.
My phone has a faster quad core than my PC.
Probably a larger and higher res colour screen too.
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Ok I've done it.....
BAM
gigabyte Z97X MB..
http://www.austin.net.au/gigabyte-ga-z97x-ud5h-bk-atx-motherboard-sock.html?___store=default
BAM
i7 4790 unlocked. think it's 3.4GHz out of the box.
http://www.austin.net.au/intel-core-i7-4790-haswell-gen2-lga1150-36ghz.html?___store=default
No turning back on those items, they are in my hot hands...
Haven't got any RAM yet..... no, not Dominatiors..
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Those abacus beads will be a positive blur.
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It would want to be better than my i7, I can't field more than 11 AI. :'(
(mines only 2.8GHz though)
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It would want to be better than my i7, I can't field more than 11 AI. :'(
(mines only 2.8GHz though)
damn... I hope mine wasn't built by angry robots on a friday too!
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Ok I've done it.....
BAM
gigabyte Z97X MB..
http://www.austin.net.au/gigabyte-ga-z97x-ud5h-bk-atx-motherboard-sock.html?___store=default
BAM
i7 4790 unlocked. think it's 3.4GHz out of the box.
http://www.austin.net.au/intel-core-i7-4790-haswell-gen2-lga1150-36ghz.html?___store=default
No turning back on those items, they are in my hot hands...
Haven't got any RAM yet..... no, not Dominatiors..
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the 4790k boosts to 4.0Ghz out of the box which should run plenty of AI and from what I've read it can be over clocked quite heavily especially on water.
My 3570k @4.2Ghz can do a full field of AI at Blackwood but I get a few CPU warnings.
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Ok I've done it.....
BAM
gigabyte Z97X MB..
http://www.austin.net.au/gigabyte-ga-z97x-ud5h-bk-atx-motherboard-sock.html?___store=default
BAM
i7 4790 unlocked. think it's 3.4GHz out of the box.
http://www.austin.net.au/intel-core-i7-4790-haswell-gen2-lga1150-36ghz.html?___store=default
No turning back on those items, they are in my hot hands...
Haven't got any RAM yet..... no, not Dominatiors..
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the 4790k boosts to 4.0Ghz out of the box which should run plenty of AI and from what I've read it can be over clocked quite heavily especially on water.
My 3570k @4.2Ghz can do a full field of AI at Blackwood but I get a few CPU warnings.
Mine is just the plain jane 4790. no K.. But I was reading somewhere these are unlocked....... hmmm....... I will find out soon enough. Not too fussed either way. My bottle neck will be back where it should be. at my aging GTX660Ti Which I hope to get another 5-7 years out of...
I don't know what GPU to get anyway atm... All I know is it will be NVIDIA
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If it was a year down the track and Oculus Rift was released I could give you my 7970 as I will be upgrading. But it isn't.
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...My bottle neck will be back where it should be. at my aging GTX660Ti Which I hope to get another 5-7 years out of...
I don't know what GPU to get anyway atm... All I know is it will be NVIDIA
It should NOT be there. This is a really gfx intensive program, you should really get a decent card, mate. 970 is the one I'd buy (and have bought). Pretty good bang for buck and stellar performance. It would round out that computer well and it's also future-proofing it much better. Anything less and you'll be left behind in a year or two, and will have to fork out again, or put up with half-decent performance.
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...My bottle neck will be back where it should be. at my aging GTX660Ti Which I hope to get another 5-7 years out of...
I don't know what GPU to get anyway atm... All I know is it will be NVIDIA
It should NOT be there. This is a really gfx intensive program, you should really get a decent card, mate. 970 is the one I'd buy (and have bought). Pretty good bang for buck and stellar performance. It would round out that computer well and it's also future-proofing it much better. Anything less and you'll be left behind in a year or two, and will have to fork out again, or put up with half-decent performance.
Yeah the 970..... Not this week! still a tad expensive for something that gets changed out quicker than any other part.
Honestly I can't complain about performance too much since 1.0.... ok dropping frames here and there. I'm sure I won't notice much if any improvement there.. But!!! I think my GTX660 is being under-utilized in it's current MB which is getting on 700 years old...
edit.. in saying all that.. A new GPU is certainly something I'll be getting... lets say after xmas to see if i can pick up any deals...
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Mine is just the plain jane 4790. no K.. But I was reading somewhere these are unlocked....... hmmm....... I will find out soon enough. Not too fussed either way. My bottle neck will be back where it should be. at my aging GTX660Ti Which I hope to get another 5-7 years out of...
I don't know what GPU to get anyway atm... All I know is it will be NVIDIA
Ahh, ok I just thought since you wrote "4790 unlocked" you were referring to the K series. Looking on the Intel website I thought it stated weather the processors were lock or not in the chart but I cant find it. but still with 3.6 base and 4.0 boost the standard 4790 is still going to perform very well, just need that GPU upgrade to take full advantage of it.
What is with the aversion to AMD gear, from what I have read the 380x and 390x which will hopefully be here in Feb look like they are going to blow the 970 and 980 out of the water on raw GPU performance.
From what I have seem from the recent Ubisoft games raw GPU performance doesn't mean anything if the devs don't take advantage of it.
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He's not an AMD fan, let's put it that way :)
Me neither, btw. I'll never touch one again, with a pole. Their drivers are rubbish, and what do you do with all the performance if you're plagued with problems? Besides, even when their performance is up, sometimes it comes with the price of micro-stuttering. And that's all driver error. xfire problems. Driver error. You can't use different monitors in surround and have bezel correction; even if they're the same manufacturer and same resolution. Driver error.
Altho I know there are a lot of people out there who are happy with it. Let them use it, I don't mind.
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He's not an AMD fan, let's put it that way :)
Me neither, btw. I'll never touch one again, with a pole. Their drivers are rubbish, and what do you do with all the performance if you're plagued with problems? Besides, even when their performance is up, sometimes it comes with the price of micro-stuttering. And that's all driver error. xfire problems. Driver error. You can't use different monitors in surround and have bezel correction; even if they're the same manufacturer and same resolution. Driver error.
Altho I know there are a lot of people out there who are happy with it. Let them use it, I don't mind.
Bird has hit the nail on the head. AMD have let me down more times then NVIDIA. especially with drivers and the head-fuck of removing said drivers.. Their cards also seem to run so-so much hotter.
But really it's a personal preference thing. They both produce great stuff...... except NVIDIA's is better ;) and green > red
And Guybrush is a AMD fan-boi so I just cant make myself buy anything AMD
yeah my 'unlocked' 4790.. I can't find it now, could have been Tom's, I'm sure I read if there is a X in the serial number it's unlocked. But then that would kill your 4790K market. And every chip seems to have a X in it's serial number... So I'm not sure.. Not too worried. Though I've got the MB and now some tridents as RAM It's just asking to be clocked. Maybe once 5th generation comes out and is settled. I'll get a 'K' of something 4th gen...
I swear downloading games onto SSD is a lot faster than onto HDD. I didn't think it would make much difference when my download speed is around 300kbs max!
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Dick it's easy to test if it's unlocked, change the multiplier, then check it with cpu-z.
Just be mindful that when idling, these cpu's will usually slow down. Eg here's mine, first idle, then while running furMark burn-in test.
See the core speed at ~1600 on the first one, and ~4200 on the second.
(http://i.imgur.com/raMMahC.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/N4oUxQ6.jpg)
Although, I've read that you can overclock even the locked CPU's somewhat, but it's a slight bit trickier.
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yeah I'm pretty excited just to finally have a PC faster then my phone again!
I think the 1.0 driver for my MB sends too many volts to the CPU. so I might see something straight up.
Won't be doing it till Sunday though. when I've got more time and my IT guru is on hand cause I'm pretty stupid at the config stuff if it goes wrong. But these days it's getting simpler. This MB has two BIOS's though... so I'm already scared.
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Nice to see your upgrades Dick, should be much better just needs a new gpu. Can your current one play far cry 1 and you already want 4. At least I remember that was always the saying but I havent played any far cry even though I got some free with computer bits in the past.
I checked the trailer for the game and it just doesnt interest me, it looks pretty but I hate war and murder so not really into murder sims as they just seem so stupid to me.
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Nice to see your upgrades Dick, should be much better just needs a new gpu. Can your current one play far cry 1 and you already want 4. At least I remember that was always the saying but I havent played any far cry even though I got some free with computer bits in the past.
I checked the trailer for the game and it just doesnt interest me, it looks pretty but I hate war and murder so not really into murder sims as they just seem so stupid to me.
Well, that surprises me. I mistook you as man full of anger and hate.. :D
Nothing wrong with a bit of mindless violence. All the kids are doing it these days.....
I like computer games full stop. But I'm super casual. Like you guys are very hard-core SIM racers and are far more into it then i'll ever be.
I've never ever 'finished' a game of any genre. Lucky to get through 50% in most cases. I just lose interest or move onto the next thing.
I liked Farcry 1. Farcry 2 did my head in. Farcry 3 is my favorite. it's comical, great characters, open world, enemy that isn't hell bent on tracking you down if you spook them.. in fact the AI is blind if your sneaking around. Current PC build runs Fracry3 flawlessly pretty much.
Crysis on the other hand...
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Crysis on the other hand...
...is the best game of all times ! ;)
I love the original crysis game, even tho it's fairly straight, it's good. If that does not run well for you...that's a serious issue. It used to run well on my computer 2 generations ago. But then you might talk about crysis 2-3-4 dunno how many there are currently, they all have been watered down, compressed into smaller spaces and thus lost appeal to me.
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Crysis on the other hand...
...is the best game of all times ! ;)
I love the original crysis game, even tho it's fairly straight, it's good. If that does not run well for you...that's a serious issue. It used to run well on my computer 2 generations ago. But then you might talk about crysis 2-3-4 dunno how many there are currently, they all have been watered down, compressed into smaller spaces and thus lost appeal to me.
Was a few years ago now, steam is telling me i only have the original. i'm sure I've got 2... Pretty sure it was when I had a Radeon HD space-heater of some sort. Just horrid frame rates.
I notice you've got X3 Terran Conflict. Bird. Have you played much of it? Huge learning curve, I keep going back to it now and then. but get bogged down and hopelessly lost..
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I notice you've got X3 Terran Conflict. Bird. Have you played much of it? Huge learning curve, I keep going back to it now and then. but get bogged down and hopelessly lost..
Yeah, same. I've tried to get into it twice but just could not dedicate enough time. It's not so much the learning curve for me, but to get anywhere beyond the basics. Mapping out huge spaces, amassing wealth, building stations... It's a lifestyle, not a game.
I've played an early incarnation of it, though, and for quite a while; that maybe why the learning curve doesn't seem that steep for me.
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Unreal Tournament 3 was the last FPS I played. Pan and scan is all my brain can handle. I used to like the non-stop action. Stand still and die. I still fire it up from time to time.
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Unreal Tournament 3 was the last FPS I played. Pan and scan is all my brain can handle. I used to like the non-stop action. Stand still and die. I still fire it up from time to time.
Ah the nostalgia.. and Quake.. Groundbreaking stuff right there. I remember starting off with the obligatory Doom And Heretic, which was way better than Doom.
Incidentally, 8gigs of DDR3 RAM is pretty much the norm? Or are you guys filling all your slots?
And Windows 7 uses whatever you put in, but won't show it in device manager or something?
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My computer:
ASUS p8z77-V Deluxe,
Intel i5-3570k,
Corsair Vengeance 2x8GB
2x GXT970
With the ram, speed makes little difference. But it's cheap as, so you might as well future-proof with 2 modules of 8.
Windows shows it and uses it.
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Unreal Tournament 3 was the last FPS I played. Pan and scan is all my brain can handle. I used to like the non-stop action. Stand still and die. I still fire it up from time to time.
Ah the nostalgia.. and Quake.. Groundbreaking stuff right there. I remember starting off with the obligatory Doom And Heretic, which was way better than Doom.
Incidentally, 8gigs of DDR3 RAM is pretty much the norm? Or are you guys filling all your slots?
And Windows 7 uses whatever you put in, but won't show it in device manager or something?
If running 64 bit windows it uses whatever it has and shows it too, surely your not going to be sticking with an old version of windows 3.1 you have on floppy disks.
For General use gaming etc 8GB should be more then enough and most games are still only 32bit so limited to 4GB for the application. Still in a 64bit OS it means that it can dedicate the full 4GB to the 32 bit app and use the remaining ram for other uses, its only for heavy video editing etc where more ram is of benefit and my 32GB comes in handy in that but for AC maxed out the most I have seen used all up is around 7GB and turning off Win 7 aero is about 5.2GB total. I dont think I have any 64GB games so not sure what they would use, actually RF2 is now 64 bit but it ran like crap last time I tried still a big fail in SLI for whatever reasons.
I have just done a full OS reinstall as Ive had some issues the last couple weeks, was planning to race but had issues with the logitech drivers. Which I have now sorted but to late to race the Cobra's/
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You mean there is a update to Windows 3.1??
*checks google
Wow..
Ok yeah windows 7.. 64bit.
I'll just get the 8gigs of RAM to start with. better off putting the change towards a GPU atm.
But nice to know about win7 64bit using whatever the MB can take.
You guys and your stinking SLI... :P Run hot? Yours are only a few weeks old (Bird) I remember now.. All good? Happy with them? Have you played anything other than AC and Skyrim? (There's a game I didn't like / understand hype.. but prob should give it a better go)
Marty has water cooling. CPU and GPUs? I'm still very spooked by liquids and electronics being so close. What makes you confident it wont fail? Did it cost stupid money?* Are you convinced it is better than fans?.... I'm not sold on water cooling. So really just asking.
*stupid money, to me, is for cooling a clocked CPU I'll say starts at $100
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Water cooling is much quieter and runs way cooler then stock fans, Fully loaded and overclocked my GPU's don't get above 50c with about 40% OC on stock air the top card was getting very close to thermal throttle limits 80-90c even at stock speeds. CPU is also running much cooler then stock air cooler with a healthy OC.
Most of the Watercooling setup can be re used when you upgrade bits at most you just need a new waterblock for new GPU's and it takes much less space inside the system. Getting better air flow inside the case and keeping everything cooler even when running well above spec so you can skip a generation or 2 of upgrades with the performance boost.
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It was expensive though wasn't it? But you make a good case Marty...
Ok, after 700 hours Farcry 4 is installed. Just talking about computer performance here.
It runs silky smooth on ultra settings at 3750x3000...... Well, that's how I imagine it would run on your guys machines. :) Not so well on mine.
It's not too bad really, remember I haven't upgraded anything yet. still old system. I am dropping frames like a bastard here and there but not chugging. totally playable. maybe not so in massive scale fire fight. I have it at high settings at 1400x1050
Will be interesting to see what changing everything except the graphics card does for performance. I'm not expecting a great deal. I'm expecting it to make me shop for said graphics card sooner than later.
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FC4 is running 50 - 60 FPS on high settings @ 1440p for me. Pretty happy with it.
Dick we'll have to have some co-op action.
As far as graphics cards go I'd just get the best available for the price. That's what I did with my 7970 and I haven't had any problems with it. Thought a driver update caused some stuttering last night but it turned out to either be the Ubisoft launcher or Fraps.
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RAM; windows and a few running programs can easily chew up 6-7GB. Don't ask me how. My "idle" (i.e. mail client, skype, browser running but only one tab) ram usage is 4.9GB.
As you install crap that runs in the background, it'll always grow a bit.
16GB is not waste, believe me. It ensures that windows won't force stuff on that stupid ramdisk/cachefile (what was it called?).
Playing on SLI; I've had SLI before, just not 970 - I was using 2x670. And something else before that. But SLI for long generations now, I've even done it with Ati cards :) The first card always runs a bit hotter, and if your mobo layout puts the two cards side-by-side with no gap, that can further increase the heat. Some cards can overheat that way. Some gets hot but can tolerate it.
The current mobo I'm using has a gap between just for this reason.
The current case I'm using (Thermaltake Fortress ft02) was also selected for best airflow & positive air-pressure (plus to reduce dust).
I'm also sporting a h80i watercooler on the cpu; The main advantage is that it takes the heat out of the case, so other components (gfx cards & mobo chipset) can breathe easier. Otherwise the water does not cool too much better, compared to a good air cooler (it's a common misconception - and true if compared to the shitty default coolers).
As for noise: a big fanless cooler or one with a nice big low-rev fan inside the case will be actually more quiet to you than the WC's fan right outside the case.
But for a good air-cooler, you'll have to fork out nearly the same amount of money! And it's a big hunk of sharp metal, that can even damage a motherboard in extreme cases, being too heavy; and it blocks access to other parts, too, it can restrict your choices of ram (space constraints)...etc.
However, if you never plan to overclock, you can fairly safely stick to the stock one. As long as the case have a decent airflow it'll be ok, unless your cpu dissipates an unusual amount of heat. (there were a few models that were good for cooking eggs...)
Now as for the cost benefit; if you're buying a low-ish cpu, then it's sometimes indeed cheaper to upgrade that instead of buying fancy coolers and o/c. From the mid-range up, it's borderline, high-end will definitely be more cost effective to overclock with goood cooling.
Plus the wc has the added benefit of keeping other components cooler, as I said.
But again, with one good (as in not running hot) gfx card, and a non-oc cpu you need not worry about wc. Hence my recommendation of a 970 :) It's not too power hungry, runs cool and has power to serve you well for years. Sound investment IMO ;)
Edit: fark, this got long. Sorry, hehe.
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It's all great info thanks Bird!
Looks like once you go SLI you never go back!
What if I found another GTX 660Ti? Waste of money? Quite naively, I've been hedging all my bets on my 660ti being able to keep up for a few more months. I haven't had a huge look. 970s are all around the $500 mark which make me screw my face up a little.
Would like to be on the short side of $350 for a GPU. $500 dollars will get me very close to a 20mm Nikkor lens I've been wanting for ages. Oh it will also buy food and water for a month and a half.
I've got a massive thermaltake tower as well. About 70 fans in it. Will be replacing a couple of them on sunday... noisy bastards! shut up!
Yeah Guybrush! Looks interesting the co-op. Wonder if it saves as progress in single player. So far I've only completed the 1st prequel and had a bit of a explore. It's got a huge farcry 3 feel to it. Not sure about my characters story line / history though. Farcry 3 did that very well, established who the character is and his background story in the 1st few minutes of game play.... Here I'm not sure. I think I'm meant to be some TV star or something?
edit.. looking at Toms hardware charts there is little point me getting something in the 700 series unless it's a Ti model. Then it's only a few dollars short of 900 series in that case. Remember, I'm totally ignoring the well positioned, over-powered, under priced AMD crap.
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You're the son of a lady who was involved in the factions but escaped to America. You've returned to spread her ashes, but unaware of all the unrest.
You're right though, there isn't much fleshed out for the story, at least not in the short time I've played it. The cinematics that are there are really well done though.
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You're the son of a lady who was involved in the factions but escaped to America. You've returned to spread her ashes, but unaware of all the unrest.
You're right though, there isn't much fleshed out for the story, at least not in the short time I've played it. The cinematics that are there are really well done though.
Ah that's right. I forgot about the ashes. There are radio towers too yeah? I haven't seen any.
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edit.. looking at Toms hardware charts there is little point me getting something in the 700 series unless it's a Ti model. Then it's only a few dollars short of 900 series in that case. Remember, I'm totally ignoring the well positioned, over-powered, under priced AMD crap.
Well, SLI has its own problems. You're far better off with one capable card. But! Getting another 660Ti will get you a bit of a boost. Not double, mind you. It depends on the game, some will not benefit at all(!) some will get you 50%-70% extra. The only things double are your electricity bill and the heat & noise :)
My main reason for SLI is the triple screens.
Also: it's not feasible to go for top cards, as they're often extremely expensive and up on the top the $/performance ratio is really not in favour of the customer. So two cards somewhat off the top will usually net me better performance.
But there's also the fact that the latest 9xx series cards are extremely cheap compared to the usual new release cards, and they're a nice jump in performance over even the last gen top cards (ask Marty :) )
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Ok been playing a bit more FarCry 4. i'm downgrading my PC performance to kinda choppy. Still playable. Huge fire fights I get a bit of chug.
Watching my cores in my old 2.4 quad they are all hanging around 90% one at least is topping out a fair bit. So will pick up some performance there I hope. RAM is about 57%
So looks like I'm going to be pulling my hair out till I replace my old GTX 660ti...
Edit.. I know AC hammers my CPU so will see some performance jump there.... maybe.
for sale: GTX 660 Ti. Never raced.
found a cheapish 970. hmmm Am I tempted. I want to wait for some magical xmas specials... Or do I just get all over and done with..
http://www.msy.com.au/wa/balcatta/graphics-card/14597-gigabyte-n970wf3oc-4gd-4g-gtx-970-oc-pci-e-vga-card.html
further research I find a handful of cheaper, faster AMD cards. This is where brand loyalty sux lol.
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edit.. looking at Toms hardware charts there is little point me getting something in the 700 series unless it's a Ti model. Then it's only a few dollars short of 900 series in that case. Remember, I'm totally ignoring the well positioned, over-powered, under priced AMD crap.
Well, SLI has its own problems. You're far better off with one capable card. But! Getting another 660Ti will get you a bit of a boost. Not double, mind you. It depends on the game, some will not benefit at all(!) some will get you 50%-70% extra. The only things double are your electricity bill and the heat & noise :)
My main reason for SLI is the triple screens.
Also: it's not feasible to go for top cards, as they're often extremely expensive and up on the top the $/performance ratio is really not in favour of the customer. So two cards somewhat off the top will usually net me better performance.
But there's also the fact that the latest 9xx series cards are extremely cheap compared to the usual new release cards, and they're a nice jump in performance over even the last gen top cards (ask Marty :) )
Do you really need SLI for triples? My single 780 already copes with triples, so 1 980 would do even better.
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Dick, check the prices on staticice (http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=gtx970&spos=3), I reckon with a bit of fishing around, or hunting for a xmas sale, you might be able to find something closer to $400. And maybe not from MSY if you want to avoid potential support issues...
My fave shop is pccasegear (http://search.pccasegear.com/search#w=gtx970) But they only have noname (or shit-name) cards around that price point.
Wally; I maybe able to run w/o, but don't forget that I run an extra MP on you with 5760x1200. I'd love to be able to compare it; however, I do not have an extra 980 for testing :D If I had been adventurous enough, I could have bought one 980 to start with, and maybe another later, but I didn't. And the price is steep enough on the 980 that I could easily chuck in a third 970 for the price of 2x980 :)