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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on February 03, 2015, 11:17:58 PM
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For the rest of the season, we'll have 1 sprint and 1 long race with a pit stop. For Imola, it will be:
Race 1: 11 laps
Race 2: 22 laps (double points)
In race 2, the fuel multiplier will be 4x. In race 1, the fuel multiplier will just be 1x. Tyre wear is normal in both races.
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Wally I ended up getting a G27 which will last me anouther year I guess then will look at whats going on with the direct drive wheels, so I will be able to do the next 2 rounds if there are spots. I will be away after that for the rest of the season.
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Wally I ended up getting a G27 which will last me anouther year I guess then will look at whats going on with the direct drive wheels, so I will be able to do the next 2 rounds if there are spots. I will be away after that for the rest of the season.
OK, great.
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Excellent Marty ;D
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New car Wally, don't forget my skin. ;)
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New car Wally, don't forget my skin. ;)
No, I've got a special case just for you now ;)
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Wally I ended up getting a G27 which will last me anouther year I guess then will look at whats going on with the direct drive wheels, so I will be able to do the next 2 rounds if there are spots. I will be away after that for the rest of the season.
Good to hear Marty! You'll like the extra buttons on the wheel - but maybe miss the sequential mode of the G25. I hope you salvaged your GTEye spring before you threw the oldie out! :)
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Wally I ended up getting a G27 which will last me anouther year I guess then will look at whats going on with the direct drive wheels, so I will be able to do the next 2 rounds if there are spots. I will be away after that for the rest of the season.
Good to hear Marty! You'll like the extra buttons on the wheel - but maybe miss the sequential mode of the G25. I hope you salvaged your GTEye spring before you threw the oldie out! :)
Funny thing is when I took apart the brake pedals on the g25 the gteye spring was broken. So stock spring atm, feels a bit different to the g25 the extra buttons are good, the leds shifter lights on the wheel are pretty useless though. ;)
I tried connecting the g25 shifter and it didnt recognize it but I rarely used the sequential mode, the shifter itself feels a bit different too a little worse but I will get used to it.
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The fuel rate will be 4x.
This means you'll get somewhere between 14 and 16 laps per tank, depending on your turbo boost level.
I've also found that any turbo boost over 70% pretty much damages your engine in every gear. It will be good for qualifying, but won't last much race distance.
The practice server is up with 4x fuel.
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Wally I ended up getting a G27 which will last me anouther year I guess then will look at whats going on with the direct drive wheels, so I will be able to do the next 2 rounds if there are spots. I will be away after that for the rest of the season.
Good to hear Marty! You'll like the extra buttons on the wheel - but maybe miss the sequential mode of the G25. I hope you salvaged your GTEye spring before you threw the oldie out! :)
Is there any difference in the newer wheel. I also have a pretty old G25.
Funny thing is when I took apart the brake pedals on the g25 the gteye spring was broken. So stock spring atm, feels a bit different to the g25 the extra buttons are good, the leds shifter lights on the wheel are pretty useless though. ;)
I tried connecting the g25 shifter and it didnt recognize it but I rarely used the sequential mode, the shifter itself feels a bit different too a little worse but I will get used to it.
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Freezer there isnt heaps between them, the FFB seems a bit more damped but it may just be my setup. My G25 did have a pretty long life and was pretty much murdererd by AC. The G25 also had lots of slack in the wheel which is what killed it in the end as it would move forward and back nearly 1cm by the end. This wheel doesnt even move 1mm and my g25 always had a little wobble there from day 1. The pedals suprisingly brake seems not as soft as it was in the g25, not sure if they changed this in the latest batches but I can probably use it without needing to get a new spring.
Shifter not having sequential is a bit of a downgrade but as I didnt use that mode much anyway not a huge loss for me. I went the g27 because I am planning to get a better wheel later, was going to be later this year but now that I got this I may wait out another year and see what else comes around. The t500 was more then double the price without a shifter and fantec is even more and I dont really want to spend that much on an interim wheel. G25/G27 are still pretty solid wheels and seeing I will get a direct drive next I didnt want to spend too much more on another wheel thats still got the same basic tech as the logitech wheels just much more evolved.
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I too am close to the end of my G25's life and have a G27 waiting in the closet...
If you really wanted H pattern...
http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=188&zenid=e791bbd6a0985dd49b75e802d26fbcff
While talking of Leo Bodnar (yeah a little off topic I know) does any one use this and is it noticable?
http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=187
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Funny thing is when I took apart the brake pedals on the g25 the gteye spring was broken. So stock spring atm, feels a bit different to the g25 the extra buttons are good, the leds shifter lights on the wheel are pretty useless though. ;)
Download 'FanaLEDs' and install.. now your LEDs on the wheel work in game :)
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This car is a beast,what a piece of engineering.Racing in this car you got to be ,crazy and fit no question....could you immaginig racing Alain Prost at imola for 90 min??? :o :o :o
I love the new racing formula Wally,fantastic!! Thing is I have to find out how to pit for fuel and tyres with AC...LOL :-* :-* :-*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_98T
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This car is a beast
I agree... a completely untamed wild beast at that!!
Things to look out for...
The turbo boost is mapped to the number keys for those that didn't know... and as I found out, this extends to when you are naming a set that you want to save, eg I saved a set as 'StanDaam01' and then when I left the pits my boost was on 10% (from the '1' in the name I presume). Had me scratching my head for a while on that one... now I just scratch other areas. I'm unsure how to run the boost yet, if I leave it on 100% my motor only goes for a few laps... :P
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This car is a beast,what a piece of engineering.Racing in this car you got to be ,crazy and fit no question....could you immaginig racing Alain Prost at imola for 90 min??? :o :o :o
I love the new racing formula Wally,fantastic!! Thing is I have to find out how to pit for fuel and tyres with AC...LOL :-* :-* :-*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_98T (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_98T)
It's quite easy. You just drive into pits and stop in the big white box you'll see in your pit bay. Then a pop-up window appears where you can click on fuel and tyres if you want to change them, repair if you want it, then click a big tick button. Wait, then go! You can only practice it in online race mode - maybe try it on the practice server in a race session.
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Very handy to push "0" to pass someone or to defend position :'(
thx wally !! I will try later on the server ;D
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This car is a beast
I agree... a completely untamed wild beast at that!!
Things to look out for...
The turbo boost is mapped to the number keys for those that didn't know... and as I found out, this extends to when you are naming a set that you want to save, eg I saved a set as 'StanDaam01' and then when I left the pits my boost was on 10% (from the '1' in the name I presume). Had me scratching my head for a while on that one... now I just scratch other areas. I'm unsure how to run the boost yet, if I leave it on 100% my motor only goes for a few laps... :P
I found that pretty much 70% is the max sustainable boost for your engine.
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Cheers Wally!! :D
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Although I don't think I ever blew my engine at 100%. It flashes red every gear change, but still lasts quite a while, but I don't think I'm going to risk it, other than in qually. What the hell, virtual motors are cheap, let's blow a dozen up.
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Although I don't think I ever blew my engine at 100%. It flashes red every gear change, but still lasts quite a while, but I don't think I'm going to risk it, other than in qually. What the hell, virtual motors are cheap, let's blow a dozen up.
I think the trick to this car is keeping the revs up and on boost as its pretty sluggish down low!
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Doing some practice starts wouldnt be a bad idea, I had this combo up on a public server a few weeks ago quite fun. Lots of people having issues with wheel spin off the line.
The boost is a nice extra bit of strategy, it can easily do a qualy lap at 100% boost during the race you can play around with this and try to keep the engine just alive as you finish. If the engine is still brand new it means you didnt use enough of it during the race.
With pitstops jump on the practice server and do a couple as the interface is a little clunky amd you can save yourself a couple seconds just by being familiar with it.
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This car is a beast,what a piece of engineering.Racing in this car you got to be ,crazy and fit no question....could you immaginig racing Alain Prost at imola for 90 min??? :o :o :o
I love the new racing formula Wally,fantastic!! Thing is I have to find out how to pit for fuel and tyres with AC...LOL :-* :-* :-*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_98T (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_98T)
Tried a couples of pit stops during a race today and I loved it 8) noice!!
It's quite easy. You just drive into pits and stop in the big white box you'll see in your pit bay. Then a pop-up window appears where you can click on fuel and tyres if you want to change them, repair if you want it, then click a big tick button. Wait, then go! You can only practice it in online race mode - maybe try it on the practice server in a race session.
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We need a whole season in these cars Wally, they're so much fun! ;D ;D ;D
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We need a whole season in these cars Wally, they're so much fun! ;D ;D ;D
They're intriguing actually, aren't they. Boost decisions, the handling, turbo madness...
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Does anyone know if you can map boost to buttons on the steering wheel?
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Does anyone know if you can map boost to buttons on the steering wheel?
You probably have to go via third party software to map buttons to keystrokes. It would be nice to have a Boost Up and Down buttons.
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That would be very nice, my keyboard is inaccessible while driving. >:(
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What kind of downforce are you guys trying? I've gone in the 8/10 kind of range so far. I think in the long run, it's going to be more important to keep the car on the track.
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I'm just about to start working on a setup. Hopefully will have something posted soon :) I'll jump in practice server if anyone wants to join.
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Yeah, need a break from the 12hour. ;)
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Setup in the drop box. Probably still needs some work. Could have gone with a lower downforce setup, but taking some of the medium-high speed turns so quick in this thing is too much fun.
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Hey, Wally you might want to to change the race laps info in the main sticky for this season.
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Wally you may also want to add a password to the server, also probably good to put tyre blankets on as the graining bug is a bugger.
Just started a race and grained rears to 50 before t1 due to wheelspin, if your tyres are cold and get any wheel spin they grain. More slip more grain and my start was 50% throttle at 70% boost. With graining at that level its as bad as if you lost a rear wing and a pretty huge bug that Kunos hopefully fix at some point.
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will tyre blankets make a difference in the race though? If you are sitting on the grid the temps seem to drop fairly quickly.
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will tyre blankets make a difference in the race though? If you are sitting on the grid the temps seem to drop fairly quickly.
Wont fix the bug but helps, however tyre blankets are quite buggy too and dont always work. Pretty easy to see how bad this bug is turn on the physics app and watch graining off the line or even if you go for pace straight out of the pits. Any time there is tyre slip and temps are under the optimum range they grain and in these off the line are easily the worst cars.
Knowing this you can just go very slowlyboff the line but we all know how that story ends with a full field behind on the race start.
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You're right, you cant do a start without losing at least 40% of grip to graining.
Maybe we should have a rolling start?
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Nah. You guys jus burn your tires up and let us past ;)
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Nah. You guys jus burn your tires up and let us past ;)
I can deal with a loose rear end, but there might be some who struggle to do a lap without spinning with what I would suggest is something like 95% rear grip after the first 2 corners ;)
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I haven't noticed any grip weirdness on starts in ai races or in my own practice. Good to be aware of it though. Tricky car. We'll just do a normal start, although I will raise initial grip a little. Are you using softs? They seem to last a long distance.
Who's to say the graining behaviour is a bug?
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I will enable tyre blankets on the server though.
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I am fine with the normal start
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Cool. Tyre blankets would be more realistic anyway.
I've updated my setup. Good for a 1.25.7 in qualifying trim.
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I haven't noticed any grip weirdness on starts in ai races or in my own practice. Good to be aware of it though. Tricky car. We'll just do a normal start, although I will raise initial grip a little. Are you using softs? They seem to last a long distance.
Who's to say the graining behaviour is a bug?
I agree, I haven't noticed any difference.
But tyre warmers were used in this period of F1 (although they were rudimentary).
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I haven't noticed any grip weirdness on starts in ai races or in my own practice. Good to be aware of it though. Tricky car. We'll just do a normal start, although I will raise initial grip a little. Are you using softs? They seem to last a long distance.
Who's to say the graining behaviour is a bug?
Are you practicing with damage enabled as this will only be an issue with damage on I assume. If you dont grain your rear tyres early they will be a few seconds a lap faster once they get to temp.
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Yep, 60% damage like race night.
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The grip weirdness doesnt actually effect the starts it just makes your tyres much worse because of the start. Try with tyre blankets and a slow out lap with no excess load on your tyres, any compound. Then try no blankets and a race start then compare your lap times and car balance/traction out of corners.
It took a while to figure out why some races the car felt so different with tyre wear at the same levels, same track and tyre temps. Then you open up the physics app and see your rears are grained and when you watch the app as you start you see clearly what the issue is. Regular driving on cold tyres may get a grain number of 1 or 2 points after 5 laps or so but the starts you can easily get 40 on the rears. This makes tyres feel like about 95% grip as GB says. The one race I really noticed it is when racing guy and ed and I had a very good start but then my rears were shot by the exit of t1 so the start was in fact crap. ;D
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It's an interesting discussion on the AC forums, about how realistic this level of graining is. The fact that the graining doesn't go down certainly sounds like a bug.
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As far as I'm aware, and I could be wrong, but graining usually occurs more so as a result of lateral forces on a cold tyre rather than spinning them off the start.
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Lots of detail here: http://insideracingtechnology.com/tirebkexerpt3.htm
”A requirement for the development of an abrasion pattern is "unidirectional sliding." Sliding in random directions does not produce these patterns.”
”Unfortunately, once a graining pattern is worn into the surface of a tire it's difficult to wear the pattern away. The ridges tend to perpetuate as wear continues. Even worse, since the tread is not evenly loaded after it has been grained, the tire loses grip. It's just another way for a driver to mess up. That's why experienced drivers are so valuable.”
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Lots of detail here: http://insideracingtechnology.com/tirebkexerpt3.htm
”A requirement for the development of an abrasion pattern is "unidirectional sliding." Sliding in random directions does not produce these patterns.”
”Unfortunately, once a graining pattern is worn into the surface of a tire it's difficult to wear the pattern away. The ridges tend to perpetuate as wear continues. Even worse, since the tread is not evenly loaded after it has been grained, the tire loses grip. It's just another way for a driver to mess up. That's why experienced drivers are so valuable.”
"Unidirectional sliding" vs. "random directions" doesn't make sense to me. You either slide in one direction or the other??? Is spinning the wheels classified as sliding? If spinning the wheels alone caused gaining I gather you would see a gaining pattern going across the tyre?
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Spinning the wheels would be the same as sliding. Either way, it results in abrasion between the road surface and the tyre. I guess he's saying by unidirectional, that it's a severe slide, such as spinning wheels or a long lateral slide, rather than general cornering giving abrasion in a number of different directions and not leading to a graining pattern.
Some other commentary I read calls into doubt the accuracy of that website. Nothing to back up their claims of doubtfulness, of course. As always with tyres... the truth is out there somewhere...
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I'll enable tyre blankets (which pre-warm the tyres) on the server for the races, but I'm not sure if you still have to enable them yourself in your offline assists as well. Also, it may be that you only get the tyre blankets taking effect after you return and leave from the pits, but in the race session they should work.
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IMO:
If the tyres are locked up, the surface will get a lot of "sliding" in one spot, in one direction. Spinning tyres will get a lot of that, too, longitudinally. I think these classify as unidirectional sliding.
If you're cornering and the tyres spin AND slide, the tyre surface will get somewhat different sliding direction each time around.
But I'm just musing around :)
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Ello guys. I'm sort of back. I'm wondering if you have a spot at the end of tonight's grid, I might come and wreak some havoc. I haven't driven the car since it came out, and it wasn't easy to tame that much I remember :)
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IMO:
If the tyres are locked up, the surface will get a lot of "sliding" in one spot, in one direction. Spinning tyres will get a lot of that, too, longitudinally. I think these classify as unidirectional sliding.
If you're cornering and the tyres spin AND slide, the tyre surface will get somewhat different sliding direction each time around.
But I'm just musing around :)
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Ello guys. I'm sort of back. I'm wondering if you have a spot at the end of tonight's grid, I might come and wreak some havoc. I haven't driven the car since it came out, and it wasn't easy to tame that much I remember :)
Sure, you're in! It's an interesting car.
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It's an interesting car.
It's a turbo Monster!!
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It's a pussy-cat.
A big, man-eating, lion of a pussy-cat. :P
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Taking this thing with qualifying tyres and 100 boost around piratella is what dreams are made of.
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Just tried it with tyre blankets and the graining issue is completly gone with them when pulling out of the pits, with them off you had to go so slow exiting pits just to avoid graining. Race start should also be fine with the tyre blankets on, it still doesnt help the fact I am slow in the car but will see how many kill engines and gearboxes in the race. ;D
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Do you know if you have to enable tyre blankets in your own offline settings for them to work on the server?
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Shouldn't take much to find out should it? I have them enabled offline but there has been no evidence of pre-heating on the server over the last few days...
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Im assuming Wally hasnt enabled tyre blankets in practice server, they do work offline so no reason why it shouldn't online as they have been working on my servers when enabled.
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I think Wally's question is do they need to enabled at both ends, server AND client? ???
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I had them enabled on the practice server only for the last couple of days, I think. Anyway, we'll see what's what.
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Sorry guys. Not well this evening so will sit this one out.
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Sorry guys. Not well this evening so will sit this one out.
OK, bad luck.