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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on May 08, 2016, 08:03:20 PM
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With 2 rounds of Season 11 to go, I want to throw some pre-poll suggestions up for season 12.
The last 3 seasons we've had are, in reverse:
- Toyota GT86 (street car)
- GT3
- Formula Renault (open wheeler)
We also have the AC "Jap Pack" coming May 18, but we probably need a change from cars like the Toyota 86.
To keep mixing it up, I'm thinking of the following options:
1) Mazda 787B and Merc C9 (Group C) vs. Mercedes-Benz 190E EVO II and BMW M3 E30 DTM (Group A).
Two classes from the 90's, in 1 hour races with probably a couple of pit stops. Qualifying session the first week in the Group C cars to determine who drives in which class. Within your class, you can choose either car.
2) Ford GT40 with equalising ballast to compress the field just a little.
3) Ferrari 312T/(Lotus 72D?) - It seems the Lotus 72D is slower than the Ferrari. Could be a "leading half of the field gets the slower Lotus" deal.
4) Something from the Jap Pack.
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With option 1 you can add the e30 dtm its now very competitive with the merc. I ran these 3 on my servers for a hit and though alfa is quickest it was possible to challenge in the other 2 cars. The main issue I think with forcing multiple compounds is you cant change pressures in a pit stop.
Still that would make it interesting as youd need to set pressures to favour 1 compound over the other. Over a longer race even though the Alfa is quicker over a single lap its a fair hit harder on tyres so it can equalize the cars a little.
Race formats wise youcould possibly doa 3 race format. Regular qualy for race 1 then reverse grid race 2 and race 3 could be grid set from points in first 2 races with added success ballast.
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1 thing weve never ran a season in is a fwd car, the Abarth 500 assetto corsa car is way more fun to drive then the gt86 and great in a pack.
There are also plenty of AWD cars we have not driven other then the alfa 155dtm that some used in another season.
There is the AWD ruf, the nismo gtr, r34 gtr coming in jap pack and also audi quattro. An interesting season could be if there were 3 cars that were close in performance. With an AWD, RWD and FWD with people chosing their prefered option for the season.
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Yes, the tyre compunds would really work best regarding pressures where you could choose between a soft and a med/hard of the same tyre, as the ideal pressures are the same.
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Yes, the tyre compunds would really work best regarding pressures where you could choose between a soft and a med/hard of the same tyre, as the ideal pressures are the same.
Even if ideal pressures are the same on a soft medium or hard you need fairly different start pressures as they all run at different temps, so the same pressure for a soft to get to 32 for example will be generally lower then a medium and a hard. So without changing the pressure in a stop they will be a fair way out over a longer run on 1 of the compounds.
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a car thats more exciting to drive than current season would be cool
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Supra, R34, AE86!!! Jap Pack!!!
:P
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Jap pack does look interesting
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Jap pack interest duly noted (at least for 3 people!). The timing is good, just after the end of the current season, in time for some fun runs.
We've also never had a season in the Countach, RUF or GT40, or many other current cars.The Jap Pack is just interesting because it's the newest thing. The possibilities are endless...
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Looks good to me...
Kunos Simulazioni is gearing up for the release of their Japanese Car Pack for Assetto Corsa, sharing three new teasers with us.
Planned to be released on May 18, the pack will include an unspecified number of Japanese vehicles. The teasers give us a first idea of what’s included, showing off detail shots of the Toyota Supra as well as the Nissan GT-R.
nice if they slip in the Toyota 2000GT :)
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Yes, the tyre compunds would really work best regarding pressures where you could choose between a soft and a med/hard of the same tyre, as the ideal pressures are the same.
Even if ideal pressures are the same on a soft medium or hard you need fairly different start pressures as they all run at different temps, so the same pressure for a soft to get to 32 for example will be generally lower then a medium and a hard. So without changing the pressure in a stop they will be a fair way out over a longer run on 1 of the compounds.
I just did a run in the softs and the mediums in the Alfa. The tyre pressures start off fairly much the same in the garage to get to optimal pressures.
Soft: 31 31, 31 30
Med: 32 31, 31 31
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I just did a run in the softs and the mediums in the Alfa. The tyre pressures start off fairly much the same in the garage to get to optimal pressures.
another tough day in the office :)
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We've also never had a season in the Countach, RUF or GT40, or many other current cars.The Jap Pack is just interesting because it's the newest thing. The possibilities are endless...
We've also never run a season in the Lotus 25, 49, 72 or 98T, just single races. ;)
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We've also never had a season in the Countach, RUF or GT40, or many other current cars.The Jap Pack is just interesting because it's the newest thing. The possibilities are endless...
We've also never run a season in the Lotus 25, 49, 72 or 98T, just single races. ;)
8)
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We've also never had a season in the Countach, RUF or GT40, or many other current cars.The Jap Pack is just interesting because it's the newest thing. The possibilities are endless...
We've also never run a season in the Lotus 25, 49, 72 or 98T, just single races. ;)
The 312 and 72 are or at least were very close when we ran the 1 race with them, I think they would be a blast to race.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wzdfsj7d3Y
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that was awesome fun, even when I spun :)
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I've updated the options in the first post.
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I wouldnt take RSR times for pace comparison, I will have those cars 312 and 72D on one server for a while and see how the times compare there and will try them both a bit too.
I havent driven them too recently but each time I have I was just as quick in the lotus as ferrari. It just doesnt quite have the top speed but could match the lap times. Thats once you made a good setup for both I think on default setups the 312 is considerably quicker but I dont think running fixed setups in 2 dofferent ow cars wpuld be a good option.
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I wouldnt take RSR times for pace comparison, I will have those cars 312 and 72D on one server for a while and see how the times compare there and will try them both a bit too.
I havent driven them too recently but each time I have I was just as quick in the lotus as ferrari. It just doesnt quite have the top speed but could match the lap times. Thats once you made a good setup for both I think on default setups the 312 is considerably quicker but I dont think running fixed setups in 2 dofferent ow cars wpuld be a good option.
And why not take RSR times for comparison? I've looked at version 1.5+ times, looking at a total of 95 lap times between the two cars, over 8 different tracks. That gives you the best feel for how, on average, two different guys in each car are going to fare against each other. The Ferrari is definitely quicker looking at those bigger sample sizes. Looking at my old AC 1.4 data, the times were closer. It could be that 1.5 has separated the cars a bit in performance.
I won't be going fixed setups for anything.
Edit: if that combo is popular, I'd end up having a couple of practice races, with everyone swapping cars in between, and seeing how the times stack up across the field.
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I prefer the idea of option 1. I'd favour the Jap Pack cars but I'm not likely to be able to buy that straight away unless I somehow manage to get a job between now and then.
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I'd prefer the 72D, even if I am slower, as I can't make the Fez 'box last more than 6 laps. :o
I haven't driven the 'dancing donkey' in a while, so it might be more lenient now.
I'll have to do some testing. ;D 8) ;D
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I wouldnt take RSR times for pace comparison, I will have those cars 312 and 72D on one server for a while and see how the times compare there and will try them both a bit too.
I havent driven them too recently but each time I have I was just as quick in the lotus as ferrari. It just doesnt quite have the top speed but could match the lap times. Thats once you made a good setup for both I think on default setups the 312 is considerably quicker but I dont think running fixed setups in 2 dofferent ow cars wpuld be a good option.
And why not take RSR times for comparison? I've looked at version 1.5+ times, looking at a total of 95 lap times between the two cars, over 8 different tracks. That gives you the best feel for how, on average, two different guys in each car are going to fare against each other. The Ferrari is definitely quicker looking at those bigger sample sizes. Looking at my old AC 1.4 data, the times were closer. It could be that 1.5 has separated the cars a bit in performance.
I won't be going fixed setups for anything.
Edit: if that combo is popular, I'd end up having a couple of practice races, with everyone swapping cars in between, and seeing how the times stack up across the field.
Been a few laps run on one of my servers in these and times are rather close, for me Ferrari has more potential but its very hard to drive and its quite a bit worse in the slow corners so here its losing a fair bit of time just in the last chicane.
http://52.62.170.191:50041/lapstat?currservers=acserver2
A track like Monza you would expect the ferrari to be a bit quicker, but have full damage and you need to turn down the engine on the ferrari where the lotus can be run max for a full race. So no damage Ferrari would be much quicker and also over a single lap where you could run it max do a hotlap then change engine and gearbox but to even last 7 laps I need to run engine at 103% in the Ferrari but 107% or whatever max is in the Lotus.
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Good info, thanks Marty.
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The 2 class season could also be quite fun and it would be a logical step up from reverse grids to dealing with slower or faster traffic. That also being in cars that are much more fun to drive then the current season so really any of the current options sound like fun.
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The 312T should be quicker than the 72D.
It was the class of the field in its time and the Lotus was 4 years old by then.
I guess you know my choice by now Wally. ;)
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Fitting into option 3. Ferrari/Lotus is this car http://assettocorsa.club/mods/auto/mclaren-m23.html#en (http://assettocorsa.club/mods/auto/mclaren-m23.html#en)
The Maclaren M23-5 has very similar specs to the Lotus and would expand the choice.
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Fitting into option 3. Ferrari/Lotus is this car http://assettocorsa.club/mods/auto/mclaren-m23.html#en (http://assettocorsa.club/mods/auto/mclaren-m23.html#en)
The Maclaren M23-5 has very similar specs to the Lotus and would expand the choice.
Thanks Freezer, I'll give it a go.
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The 312T should be quicker than the 72D.
It was the class of the field in its time and the Lotus was 4 years old by then.
I guess you know my choice by now Wally. ;)
I see a few guys got in laps in the server still the lotus is quickest though.
Fitting into option 3. Ferrari/Lotus is this car http://assettocorsa.club/mods/auto/mclaren-m23.html#en (http://assettocorsa.club/mods/auto/mclaren-m23.html#en)
The Maclaren M23-5 has very similar specs to the Lotus and would expand the choice.
I will load those into the server tomorrow and see how it competes with the other 2.
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Don't forget you've only got a small number of drivers at one track. On RSR, the 312 is faster on most tracks.
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Don't forget you've only got a small number of drivers at one track. On RSR, the 312 is faster on most tracks.
This is a small sample size yes but a few reasonable drivers and I will try a different track later. All my past experience at multiple tracks in these cars has shown them to be fairly close, at least on the server we know all are using the same settings too as turning off damage for example will greatly effect the speed of the ferrari.
Any xgn guys that want to run laps there can also see how they compare, for me personally the ferrari is much trickier to set a quick lap in and be consistant so even if it can be a little quicker it may be a better option to let people choose. I will keep these at Barca until next week as its an F1 weekend and nice to have some f1 cars at this rounds track for some racing.
This track there is clearly an advantage on slow corners to the lotus but at a faster track with not many slow corners the ferrari will likely have more advantage and this would be more the styke of track that was driven back in the era these cars raced. Modern f1 circuits tend to have many more slow corners compared to the historic tracks so the track selection would also likely have a fair impact on the cars relative performance.
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Brands GP is a good track. 8)
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I tried that Mclaren mod car and I wouldnt run it with the other 2 if thats what we ended up with, the mclaren is a bit off the pace about 2 seconds at Barca GP, it also has the old tyre issues not heating fronts the other 2 cars dont suffer from. There have been quite a few more laps on that server and nobody has managed to set the quickest lap in a ferrari yet. ;)
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Yeah, the Macca's way off the pace, in need of an update.
Wally, with the improvements in collisions with recent updates, maybe we can trial 100% damage now?
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Yeah, the Macca's way off the pace, in need of an update.
Wally, with the improvements in collisions with recent updates, maybe we can trial 100% damage now?
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Ive run 100% on all my servers since day 1 only the xgn practice server is at a lower rate. It really doesnt make a huge difference but does make you need to have more care on shifting in some cars like the 312t.
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Yeah, definitely a 72D/312T season Wally. ;)
We can go back to tin-tops with the Jap Pack. :-X
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Wally regarding why I say RSR isnt really a great indicator, here is the 72d at Barca GP on
http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&track=2732&car=2265&rank_type=all&tyre_type=all&controller_type=all&community=all&friends=all
The Ferrari times
http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&track=2732&car=78&rank_type=all&tyre_type=all&controller_type=all&community=all&friends=all (http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&track=2732&car=78&rank_type=all&tyre_type=all&controller_type=all&community=all&friends=all)
Then compare those to the times on the server and thats not at optimal conditions with 100% damage. Only 2 times on RSR are faster (1 in each car) then those on my server and that includes the time set by Miyja in the ferrari both on my server and rsr today, This is showing how much quicker its possible to go in optimum conditions and damage off in the 312t.
http://52.62.170.191:50041/lapstat?currservers=acserver2 (http://52.62.170.191:50041/lapstat?currservers=acserver2)
So the ferrari can be considerably quicker with damage off, but turn it on and race pace its actually slower then the lotus. In a single qualy lap you could turn up the power but I simply ran a race setup in it in the server for both cars.
http://52.62.170.191:50041/lapstat?currservers=acserver2 (http://52.62.170.191:50041/lapstat?currservers=acserver2)
I will change the combo to Brands GP next week and Im fairly sure the end result will be much the same, in race pace the cars are fairly even. Turning up the engine too high in the ferrari for a race would be a huge risk and its easier to get a laptime from the lotus I think.
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One of the main reasons I turned damage down a while back was because of how easy it was to smash your windscreen, but we can try upping it and see what happens.
The Ferrari/Lotus is just one of the options for the upcoming poll for the silent majority to consider. I wouldn't get too excited yet :)
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Ive had a server with option 1 and option 3 both up since the same time, 1 hasnt had a single lap in it yet so decision made. ;D
I will put up a server with option 2 also and if anyone is keen for any of these combos jump into the server and it only takes a couple people in them to get a few more then it may get reasonably busy. I dont know how the mixed class thing will work in a pub server but they are all AB only but xgn guys are also whitelisted incase your grade may have slipped. ;)
I will probably keep these up for a while and let people give them all a run to make a decision. Any suggestions for tracks to put the others up at, the dtm LMP combo is currently at Spa and there is no gt40 yet. Next week the f1 cars will go to Brands Hatch GP but the others will just be my guess unless someone has a suggestion.
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1's really a league-only option, you'd think. The whole point of it is longer enduro type races with pit stops and class points. I wouldn't expect that to be popular on a pub server.
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I did have a server up once with all open wheel cars, from lotus 25 to 98t and all others in between. This was really quite popular and pretty hectice so I think it could still work. Main issue really with it not getting that much running is the 787B is a mod car and these are much less used especailly in the high filtered MR AB servers.
If it was a fully open server it would still get a few more but have it AB is the only way to really run sketchy type combos in a pub server. The 312t and 78d are quite tricky cars and with lower grip, no tyre warmers and full damage its still been fairly popular with some very good racing at the front of the pack.
If it wasnt for minorating though pretty much all these combos couldnt be run in a pub server as the general public really is quite bad.
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open wheelers :)
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The plan is to wait and see what the Jap Pack brings, select an "un-86" like car from it, then put up a poll.
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Maybe it's best not to use the jap pack this time round, give people time to buy it.
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My 2 cents: I would love to race with the Mazda and the Merc, but I would not do it now. We know the Mazda will come official, and therefore with tyre model and so on all matched with the Merc. I would definitely wait for then. It is a great idea for a season, so we can wait a little for it.
Racing the '70s F1 would be amazing, although I really fear I won't be able to handle them. I'm enjoying this season as there is little setup to do and you can race well with a few mistakes here and there. A '70s F1 season will be a major endeavour.
I have no idea what's in the Japanese pack. I understand miatas and like the group C Mazda and the gt86 was a pleasant discovery, but the other cars.... I have no idea: they sound like passwords to me: Toyota Xj367nF...?
All in all: you know that whatever you choose I'll race it. I'll spin it, I'll crash it, I'll probably flip it over. But I'll be there ;)
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@grat I read that the 787B is coming ”later this year”. Or in other words, not for some time.
This is what voting means, people will get to vite for their choice :)
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@wally: yes, but seasons last months, so "later this year might mean season 13 or 14 at the latest."
I am pretty confident I got what voting means ;) but i also know what agenda setting means, and that debate and sharing information before voting is important :))))
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There will likely be a big update with all cars and tracks going to console to also hit the pc version along with the console launch. This has been delayed again so not sure when exactly it will come and seeing the 787b only needs a physics tune up there hould be no reason for this not to make the console launch.
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Wally regarding why I say RSR isnt really a great indicator, here is the 72d at Barca GP on
http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&track=2732&car=2265&rank_type=all&tyre_type=all&controller_type=all&community=all&friends=all (http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&track=2732&car=2265&rank_type=all&tyre_type=all&controller_type=all&community=all&friends=all)
The Ferrari times
http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&track=2732&car=78&rank_type=all&tyre_type=all&controller_type=all&community=all&friends=all (http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&track=2732&car=78&rank_type=all&tyre_type=all&controller_type=all&community=all&friends=all)
Then compare those to the times on the server and thats not at optimal conditions with 100% damage. Only 2 times on RSR are faster (1 in each car) then those on my server and that includes the time set by Miyja in the ferrari both on my server and rsr today, This is showing how much quicker its possible to go in optimum conditions and damage off in the 312t.
http://52.62.170.191:50041/lapstat?currservers=acserver2 (http://52.62.170.191:50041/lapstat?currservers=acserver2)
So the ferrari can be considerably quicker with damage off, but turn it on and race pace its actually slower then the lotus. In a single qualy lap you could turn up the power but I simply ran a race setup in it in the server for both cars.
http://52.62.170.191:50041/lapstat?currservers=acserver2 (http://52.62.170.191:50041/lapstat?currservers=acserver2)
I will change the combo to Brands GP next week and Im fairly sure the end result will be much the same, in race pace the cars are fairly even. Turning up the engine too high in the ferrari for a race would be a huge risk and its easier to get a laptime from the lotus I think.
When my program looks at RSR laps, it only considers those set in AC 1.5+, so it can be a bit misleading just eyeballing the rank.
I just ran some laps at Mugello on both the Ferrari and the Lotus at 100% damage, with the engine limiter cranked to full in both, and even with an H shifter, I got virtually no engine or gearbox damage. I was a little bit quicker in the Ferrari, without any effort to tune up either cars' setup. So I think the damage level is irrelevant.
The cars are cerainly close enough to put in together in a season. And we should be able to have a mix of tracks where one or the other car has the slight edge.
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With engine cranked up were you running a race run or just a single lap to set a time, the ferrari can do a lap at full easy enough but you must be doing well if you could run 7 laps or more in the ferrari with the engine cranked to the max.
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With engine cranked up were you running a race run or just a single lap to set a time, the ferrari can do a lap at full easy enough but you must be doing well if you could run 7 laps or more in the ferrari with the engine cranked to the max that is unless you have your ingame damage turned down or off but make sure you test it at 100%. ;)
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With engine cranked up were you running a race run or just a single lap to set a time, the ferrari can do a lap at full easy enough but you must be doing well if you could run 7 laps or more in the ferrari with the engine cranked to the max.
I did ”several” laps. 8 or so? Are you finding you're blowing the engine easily? I was using the Race Essentials HUD and just shifting as soon as the RPM went red. I didn't notice any difference in the longevity of either engine.
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Doesn't 'turning the engine up' just give more revs?
If you don't use them it makes no difference. ;)
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Doesn't 'turning the engine up' just give more revs?
If you don't use them it makes no difference. ;)
Or does it shift the redline? I wonder if it changes the behaviour of HUD apps that have a shift indicator. Maybe you're right - maybe I was still just shifting at the same RPM.
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I managed to blow an engine before the lights at a race start earlier by gassing it before the green a little. Main issue is one miss shift on the way down can kill it but it does give you more rpm if you raise the limit. If you dont use them your fine but at max damage and 107% in the ferrari it takes about 1 to 1.5 seconds on the rev limit to blow the gearbox. The lotus has no issues at all at max RPM and redlining it pretty much for any distance.
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Fitting into option 3. Ferrari/Lotus is this car http://assettocorsa.club/mods/auto/mclaren-m23.html#en (http://assettocorsa.club/mods/auto/mclaren-m23.html#en)
The Maclaren M23-5 has very similar specs to the Lotus and would expand the choice.
Has anyone played with this one?
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Fitting into option 3. Ferrari/Lotus is this car http://assettocorsa.club/mods/auto/mclaren-m23.html#en (http://assettocorsa.club/mods/auto/mclaren-m23.html#en)
The Maclaren M23-5 has very similar specs to the Lotus and would expand the choice.
Has anyone played with this one?
Yeah, Marty had a go and found the car too slow. It also has older tyre model heating problems. There's an earlier post.
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Fitting into option 3. Ferrari/Lotus is this car http://assettocorsa.club/mods/auto/mclaren-m23.html#en (http://assettocorsa.club/mods/auto/mclaren-m23.html#en)
The Maclaren M23-5 has very similar specs to the Lotus and would expand the choice.
Has anyone played with this one?
Yeah, Marty had a go and found the car too slow. It also has older tyre model heating problems. There's an earlier post.
Cheers!! I sees them ... now :P
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Fitting into option 3. Ferrari/Lotus is this car http://assettocorsa.club/mods/auto/mclaren-m23.html#en (http://assettocorsa.club/mods/auto/mclaren-m23.html#en)
The Maclaren M23-5 has very similar specs to the Lotus and would expand the choice.
Has anyone played with this one?
Its quite a tricky one with mods mixed with official content, as updates hit AC many mods may be left behind. So these may have been closer when first released but even though the car wast too bad to drive was about 2 seconds slower the the other 2. I had a couple other guys also try them when in the server and they struggled in it even more. I didnt find it much harder to drive but it was clearly slower and front tyres werent getting up to temp properly like in 1.5 AC build.
I moved the practice server of these cars to Brands and stracker already had some older laps in it. In both cars I was considerably quicker then in the older build by around 2 seconds so that kind of explains the mod not being quite up to it now. Ive got to say the Lotus there is great fun I was slightly quicker in the ferrari but nowhere near the same confidence in that as in the lotus which I prefer.
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Wally I think along with the regular pre season polling option it may be a good idea to also have a poll to set race format.
Some possible suggestions I can think of such as regular qualy and races. Some forced stops for multiple compounds, a single longer race per round. 3 race weekend with 1 qualy, race 2 reversed and race 3 on combined round points start order.
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Yeah, the format is always a decision to be made. Maybe I should put up a poll if we want more polls ;)
The format is usually dictated by the car(s) too.
E.g.
C9/787B vs DTM cars - one long race with qual with probably 2 pitstops (depending on fuel loads per class etc).
GT40 - maybe qual, 1 sprint, longer reverse grid race (longer race gives people time to work through the field).
Ferrari 312/Lotus 72 - one long race with qual with probably 2 pitstops
Japanese car - 3 reverse grid races like the GT86
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Any plans for what you want to run next week Wally? maybe a fun run in the Jap pack or a test for one of the season options? I will be away next week so I wont be able to race tues nite but will put up whatever on the prac server and give it a run before then. I think Jap pack should hit us some time tonight and I will make a trackday server with all the new cars I think on one of the other servers, I also currently have a server with all the season options up.
Brands hatch with 312T 72D awesome fun
Bathurst with ford gt40, this is a little brutal to say the least :)
Spa in the 787B, C9, 190E and M3 DTM cars.
The xgn server still just had the last round prac server up as I didnt know what to put up there.
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Any plans for what you want to run next week Wally? maybe a fun run in the Jap pack or a test for one of the season options? I will be away next week so I wont be able to race tues nite but will put up whatever on the prac server and give it a run before then. I think Jap pack should hit us some time tonight and I will make a trackday server with all the new cars I think on one of the other servers, I also currently have a server with all the season options up.
Brands hatch with 312T 72D awesome fun
Bathurst with ford gt40, this is a little brutal to say the least :)
Spa in the 787B, C9, 190E and M3 DTM cars.
The xgn server still just had the last round prac server up as I didnt know what to put up there.
I was just about to put up a post about a Ferrari 312/Lotus 72D fun run at Silverstone.