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Title: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 15, 2014, 08:14:05 PM
I've been tossing an idea around in my head for season 3, and I'll put it out there to see what people think. I'm thinking road cars, for less setup options, with a built-in field-levelling. I'm thinking of using the vast fleet of Lotus variants, with a car type assigned to each position on the season leader board, with the slowest Lotus for #1 etc, getting faster as you go down the current season standings (using RSR times to rank the cars).

It should lead to interesting races, and be a bit of a change from the cars we've already used.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Bacchulum on August 15, 2014, 08:22:51 PM
I've heard complaints elsewhere about the amount of Lotus in the game, but it does help for this purpose.
I think it'll work, if you can sort them all out (and if peoples CPU's can take all the car models).
Let's try. ;)
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on August 15, 2014, 08:47:58 PM
Sounds good.

I think the different Lotus Evora, Exige and Elise cars would be good (not the Evora GX or GTC though).
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on August 15, 2014, 09:21:30 PM
Sounds interesting, I will take the T125 s1  ;D

Using RSR times should be a way of leveling things out and generally most of them are fairly close with some of the slower ones having a little more top speed then the faster ones if that makes any sense lol.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 15, 2014, 09:22:35 PM
Sounds good.

I think the different Lotus Evora, Exige and Elise cars would be good (not the Evora GX or GTC though).

Yeah, I've asked the RSR guys if they'll provide a list of indicative lap times for all the car models based on their database. I wouldn't add cars that were dramatically heaps faster all of a sudden.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Gratulin on August 15, 2014, 11:19:09 PM
Sounds good. Perhaps most of the field gets a Lotus and the fast guys get the Abarth 500 ;)
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Grubbet on August 16, 2014, 12:58:57 AM
Im a fan of this idea :) I think it will keep things interesting.

Later on we could try a fixed setup series? Like everyone must use the same setup on the same car.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Bird on August 16, 2014, 08:40:45 AM
Great idea, Wally!
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on August 16, 2014, 10:44:11 AM
Great idea, Wally!

You could also look into some beamers the m3 e92 is quite close and maybe z4 but this one is orobabky the slowes also 1m standard is quite close to the performance of these cars.

On most tracks there is only a couple seconds between most of the street cars with a little adjustment for the s versions which mostly just have better suspension not any more power. Only the s3 1M is a bit more extreme with its higher boost levels.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on August 16, 2014, 01:54:52 PM
I just went through RSR and noted all Pro mode WR's in most if not all the street cars at Vallelunga.

Vallelunga WR's Pro Mode

BMW

1M 1:51.006
1M S3 1:49.472
M3 E92 1:50.885
M3 E92 S1 1:50.103
M3 e92 Drift 1:51.540
Z4 E89 1:55.532
Z4 E89 S1 1:54.188
Z4 e89 Drift 1:49.182
M3 e30 1:55.092
M3 e30 S1 1:55.512


Lotus
Elise SC 1:52.723
Elise SC S1 1:51.679
Elise SC S2 1:51.515
Evora GTC 1:32.457
Evora GTE 1:48.262
Evora GX 1:33.339
Evora S 1:50.932
Evora S S2 1:48.830
Exige 240R 1:50.496
Exige 240R s3 1:48.597
Exige S Roadster 1:49.859
Exige Scurra 1:48.994
Lotus 2 Eleven 1:44.684

KTM

X-Bow 1:43.926
Ferrari

F40 1:44.394
458 1:44.290

Mclaren
Mp4 12C 1:43.169

Fiat
Abarth 500 2:01.409
Abarth 500 S1 1:58.909

This may be of some help to see what cars are a good match up and I will try a few on my server today to see how they stack up ones that are within a couple seconds of each other.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 16, 2014, 02:13:53 PM
Let's say I'm a good 6 seconds off you guys.

so wanna try:
Evora GTE 1:48.262
v's
Z4 E89 S1 1:54.188

I'm ready to race, got a couple of hours to kill either way Marty if you about.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on August 16, 2014, 03:05:27 PM
Let's say I'm a good 6 seconds off you guys.

so wanna try:
Evora GTE 1:48.262
v's
Z4 E89 S1 1:54.188

I'm ready to race, got a couple of hours to kill either way Marty if you about.

Yea id like to race but Dodo has completly gone down so I have no ping atm. I will set up a few cars if I get back online at some point.

At least this confirms if it was ac or Dodo that has been causing the issues with my connection the last week or so. I am under contract with them still but will be looking to switch as its been giving me the chits recently if it doesnt improve over the next week.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 16, 2014, 04:03:21 PM
Thanks Marty, I'll probably go most of the Lotuses, augmenting gaps in laptimes with some BMW's.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: insomniac on August 16, 2014, 04:23:05 PM
I'm with Dodo too Marty, just got back online now... been a shit couple of days apparently the missus has said, I haven't been online much myself... otherwise the connection is rock solid. Plenty of whinging going on the whirlpool forums.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on August 16, 2014, 04:30:07 PM
I'm with Dodo too Marty, just got back online now... been a shit couple of days apparently the missus has said, I haven't been online much myself... otherwise the connection is rock solid. Plenty of whinging going on the whirlpool forums.

Well its been real solid for about a year but the last 2 weeks have been going bad to worse. I think they may be overselling their bandwidth a bit but I will see if it gets better. I used to get solid 35 to 37 pings in all local servers but now its been floating from 45 to 100+ and then the odd complete freak out. Seems mostly peak hours that it gets worse.

I will chuck a few lotuses and a couple beamers on my server either tonight or tomorrow nite as my connection is still dead as a dodo.  ;D
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 16, 2014, 05:47:45 PM
Did you see the story about routers running out of address space or something globally?

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/technology/the-internet-broke-yesterday-and-it-was-all-because-of-the-number-512/story-fnjwnzal-1227023949109?nk=a12314c7403ff56389c195470d016931
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on August 16, 2014, 08:32:09 PM
Did you see the story about routers running out of address space or something globally?

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/technology/the-internet-broke-yesterday-and-it-was-all-because-of-the-number-512/story-fnjwnzal-1227023949109?nk=a12314c7403ff56389c195470d016931

Hadnt heard of that but maybe Dodo should be spending the time fixing the issue rather then making up such outlandish excuses.  ;D

Hope it gets sorted before tuesday nite.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Grubbet on August 18, 2014, 11:58:19 PM
I made my first ever skin for this.. (took me hours to work it out)

Id post a photo of it but i dont know how to upload photos to here lol
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on August 19, 2014, 12:08:32 AM
I made my first ever skin for this.. (took me hours to work it out)

Id post a photo of it but i dont know how to upload photos to here lol

Which car did you skin? its quite likely you will be in a different car each week assuming this will be the season 3 cars.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 19, 2014, 07:34:02 AM
Yeah, skinning will be difficult as like Marty says, you will be in a different car most weeks.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 19, 2014, 08:45:18 AM
Yeah, skinning will be difficult as like Marty says, you will be in a different car most weeks.

PINK! I'LL MAKE THEM ALL PINK!!!
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Bacchulum on August 19, 2014, 04:13:44 PM
Then we need the official list ASAP, so we can start skinning now! :o
(I already have 3 Lotus done, so I might get lucky :D)
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 19, 2014, 04:50:07 PM
Here's the list, from fastest to slowest (averaged over Vallelunga, Imola and Mugello). There will be 2 of each car. Everyone will start in the Evora S in round 1. If you want to use your own skins, make them all the same name, because I'm not going to be juggling skins every week as well as cars. That way, I only have to set your skin name once in the entry list.

Evora GTE
Exige 240R s3
Evora S S2
Exige Scura
Exige S Roadster
Evora S
Exige 240R
Elise SC S2
Elise SC S1
Elise SC
Z4 E89 S1
Z4 E89
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Grubbet on August 19, 2014, 05:02:19 PM
so how do i post an image here?
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 19, 2014, 05:04:12 PM
so how do i post an image here?

you'll need something like photobucket.com
I think there are other ways though?
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Bacchulum on August 19, 2014, 05:13:15 PM
2 skins will cover the top 10 :), but you need 2 more for top 14 :(.
I think some of the faster cars have different skins for different versions, which would add a large load. :-\
At least I can prioritise now. ;)
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Bruce on August 19, 2014, 05:40:11 PM
I'll put my hand up for this season and  I will only need to do 2 skins :)
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Bird on August 19, 2014, 06:12:48 PM
so how do i post an image here?

I'd recommend using something like
photobucket (if you want to manage your files later) or
imgur (for a quick "fire & forget" upload)

Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 19, 2014, 06:15:41 PM
Then we need the official list ASAP, so we can start skinning now! :o
(I already have 3 Lotus done, so I might get lucky :D)

I hope they are pink??

I'm sure you will be in one or two cars Mr Bacchulum...

In fact, how will it work wally? I think there is a whole bunch of you guys that are within 10'th of a second of each other quite consistently.
how do you plan to spread the cars?
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 19, 2014, 06:19:19 PM
In fact, how will it work wally? I think there is a whole bunch of you guys that are within 10'th of a second of each other quite consistently.
how do you plan to spread the cars?

The cars will be allocated by your position on the season standings.
Positions 1 and 2 will get the BMW Z4 E89
Positions 3 and 4 will get the BMW Z4 E89 step 1
Positions 5 and 6 will get the Elise SC...

etc.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 19, 2014, 06:32:14 PM
In fact, how will it work wally? I think there is a whole bunch of you guys that are within 10'th of a second of each other quite consistently.
how do you plan to spread the cars?

The cars will be allocated by your position on the season standings.
Positions 1 and 2 will get the BMW Z4 E89
Positions 3 and 4 will get the BMW Z4 E89 step 1
Positions 5 and 6 will get the Elise SC...

etc.

sweet. So i'll only need to make one skin for the Evora GTE anyway...
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on August 19, 2014, 06:55:57 PM
Dick you can get started skinning on an EXOS which is reserved for the special needs children so they dont feel excluded from the group.  ;D

I will skin up a Reliant Robbin for Guybrush and Darren.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on August 20, 2014, 01:34:58 PM
Wally regarding cars for the season, do you think it would be better to set cars on season standings or the last race? Kind of like the first season where a couple races I got the DTM due to one race with a computer issue and another where I started race 1 a lap down. Made it a little boring in the DTM even though I preffered that car driving wise it made for some lonely hotlapping races.

The tricky thing is always reserves and what car they get for the next race but either way what car will someone jumping in for their first star mid season get. Would it be the middle of the road car and what did you see as the average time spread between fastest and slowest cars over these tracks?
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 20, 2014, 01:47:17 PM
It will be better based on overall season standings. Then you can't sort of throw one race just to get a good car for the next race. It should be more "self-balancing" this way too, with more cars and not just swinging between two cars each race.

Reserves will get the middle Evora S.

The time spread is roughly 7 seconds from fastest to slowest. It will balance out.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on August 20, 2014, 02:03:12 PM
7 seconds may be a bit much, it may be good to have a practice race between seasons running cars in order of the last season standings. I do remember the z4 being quite a bit worse then all the other cars there but I was able to match some guys driving the lotus elise s2 having to fight very hard to hang on to the evora gte. But the lotus is very slow in straights its very good in corners, the z4 is very slow and also the worst car in corners so it may be a bit too far behind the others I think.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 20, 2014, 02:20:53 PM
I think it will be alright. There will be 4 guys in the Z4 variants, so they will be battling. Next week, they may not be in the Z4 any more. There is a big range of talent here. In Guybrush's (or Darren's) hands, the Z4 may still be a weapon.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Bird on August 20, 2014, 02:49:53 PM
Yeah, if you think about it; the aim is not to handicap the leaders a little, it's to make Guybrush lose ! :D

Kidding aside, 7s is a good spread, if you also count the fact that slower guys make more mistakes - and they'll be in the cars which it's easier to make mistakes with!
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Gratulin on August 20, 2014, 03:27:20 PM
7 seconds may be a bit much, it may be good to have a practice race between seasons running cars in order of the last season standings. I do remember the z4 being quite a bit worse then all the other cars there but I was able to match some guys driving the lotus elise s2 having to fight very hard to hang on to the evora gte. But the lotus is very slow in straights its very good in corners, the z4 is very slow and also the worst car in corners so it may be a bit too far behind the others I think.
Don't worry Marty - you'll be in the same car as Guybrush so nothing will change for you :) :)
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on August 20, 2014, 03:33:45 PM
7 seconds may be a bit much, it may be good to have a practice race between seasons running cars in order of the last season standings. I do remember the z4 being quite a bit worse then all the other cars there but I was able to match some guys driving the lotus elise s2 having to fight very hard to hang on to the evora gte. But the lotus is very slow in straights its very good in corners, the z4 is very slow and also the worst car in corners so it may be a bit too far behind the others I think.
Don't worry Marty - you'll be in the same car as Guybrush so nothing will change for you :) :)

I was just thinking of Guy and Darren but now that I realize 4 people get these it will be harder for me to work my strategy, I cant beat them on equal terms as yet unless they take each other out which they were quite good at in season 1 I may add.  ;D
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 20, 2014, 03:35:38 PM
But for sure, we can have a trial run before the season starts.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on August 20, 2014, 03:58:33 PM
I have just loaded up my server with one of each of these at Imola to see how they go, I will run a few laps online tonight then at some point change to racing the Tatuus at nurburgring as I need some practice with only a couple nights I can do this before the next race.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Grubbet on August 20, 2014, 06:21:07 PM
Here we go, my first go at it:
(http://i.imgur.com/KZfDKf1.jpg)
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 20, 2014, 06:31:34 PM
Cosmic, man!
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 20, 2014, 06:48:21 PM
it's...... out of this world Grubbet! ha!
You'll catch the skinning bug in no time.
Here's a tip... All these guys here like pink!
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on August 20, 2014, 07:22:19 PM
Just ran a few races with these cars then added the 1M and e92 standard and s1. I think the only car that really should be replaced is the z4 standard as its only got street tyres where all others can run semi slicks. And the s1 is just doable but the regular on street tyres is another second and half slower which is quite a bit behind every other car. Still with dick in the GTE I was able to beat him running the z4 s1 but he is 10 seconds off wr pace and I am 1.4s off so once he stays on the track hed be 3 seconds a lap faster or more quite easily even if pushing wr times in the z4 and that would be 5 seconds or more over the standard one.

I think if you get rid of the z4 s1 one of the other beamers could take its place as they fit in quite well in the middle of the pace bracket and with the 3 lotus elise's and z4s1 this gives the 8 fastest guys considerably slower cars then everyone else still.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 20, 2014, 07:38:27 PM
But the BMW M3 E92 fits into the mid-range lap times, so that would be no good as a "slow car".
"Still with dick in the GTE I was able to beat him running the z4 s1". That says it all, doesn't it? We'll have a trial race as you suggested, and we'll see how it pans out. If the BMWs are too slow, I'd scrap them and have 3x of the slowest Elises.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on August 20, 2014, 08:23:07 PM
The z4 s1 is ok its just the standard as it only has an option for street tyres, makes it a bit out of place I think as every other car does have semi slicks including the z4 s1. So the z4 is the slowest in a straight line with the worst cornering ability and also has tyres that are far worse then all others, the s1 being on the semi's gives it a chance against some of the slower cars but at Imola the WR times Evora GTE is 2:00.185 vs Z4 standard at 2:08.246 with tyres that also will go to pieces in half the time making it even slower after about 5 laps.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 20, 2014, 09:39:55 PM
OK, the stock car may not fit.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 20, 2014, 10:37:03 PM
OK, the stock car may not fit.
Except for guybrush..
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Bird on August 21, 2014, 08:22:16 AM
Oooh, I like that milky way skin! :)
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 22, 2014, 04:23:21 PM
Based on the discussion in the personal testing thread, I have the following, which is more closely aligned to how the ballast actually worked in netKar:

Here is a range of cars that gives a good spread of average lap times (include the BMW M3 and 1M in place of the Z4s, as per Marty's suggestion). The gap shows the gap to the previous car, just to show that it's a good spacing of times, with no two cars being too similar to another (does fall off the cliff a bit with the Z4, but it doesn't matter, as we shall see). The Cumulative column shows how many seconds that car is slower than the baseline, the Exige 240R s3.

 
CarAvgGapCumulative
Exige 240R s3118.81 0.00
Evora S S2119.270.460.46
Exige Scura119.620.350.81
Exige S Roadster119.960.341.15
M3 E92 Step 1120.530.581.73
Evora S120.880.342.07
Exige 240R121.060.192.25
BMW 1M121.560.502.75
Elise SC S2122.310.753.50
Elise SC S1122.800.493.99
Elise SC123.340.554.54
Z4 E89 S1124.831.486.02
Z4 E89126.491.667.68

Now if we look at drivers' fastest race laps (this is from Monza), we can see how much slower each driver has to go to be on a par with the slowest (Gap to Slowest). Using that gap as a lookup into the table above, you can work out which car will make Guybrush roughly the same speed as Imperious - the Elise SC, which will slow him down by 4.54 seconds (actually leave him a little bit quicker than Imperious - but that's his payback for being skilled). Do this all the way down the list, and the lap times will be much closer. I would base it on the average of your fastest laps over the round. The baseline car that everyone would start in then is the fastest - the Exige 240R s3.

 
DriverFastest LapGap to slowestCar
Guybrush Threepwood [Achilles Heels]
112.324
5.66
Elise SC
Marty [Achilles Heels]
113.235
4.75
Elise SC
StanDaam [XGN]
114.332
3.66
Elise SC S2
Wally [TKO Racing]
114.469
3.52
BMW 1M
Ysu [TKO Racing]
114.611
3.38
BMW 1M
Freezer [XGN]
114.800
3.19
BMW 1M
Rob [Team MRT]
114.863
3.13
BMW 1M
cramjet [CramDick Racing]
115.277
2.71
Exige 240R
Glen73 [Projekt Rennesport]
115.294
2.69
Exige 240R
Rolz [XGN]
115.321
2.67
Exige 240R
Bacchulum [Aleph Null Ltd]
115.327
2.66
Exige 240R
Gratulin [XGN]
115.487
2.50
Exige 240R
Crimespree [XGN]
115.649
2.34
Exige 240R
Grubbet [XGN]
115.749
2.24
Evora S
Dave O [XGN]
115.956
2.03
M3 E92 Step 1
Vipergod [Team MRT]
116.236
1.75
M3 E92 Step 2
Dick Forrest [CramDick Racing]
117.784
0.20
Exige 240R s3
Imperious [XGN]
117.988
0.00
Exige 240R s3
Fine print: you have to scale this by the track's lap time - e.g. just because Guybrush was 5.66 secs faster at a long track like Monza, doesn't mean he would be 5.66 secs faster at Tsukuba, or some other much shorter track. If the next track was Tsukuba, Guybrush wouldn't have to be slowed down as much. This is what I did with the netKar ballast too.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Bacchulum on August 22, 2014, 05:16:30 PM
Now I'm confused. ???
What car should I be skinning?

Tongue in cheek.
It looks like this discussion is getting us closer to what we're after, ie. close laptimes. ;D
(but I suck under pressure :()
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 22, 2014, 05:23:36 PM
Now I'm confused. ???
What car should I be skinning?

Tongue in cheek.
It looks like this discussion is getting us closer to what we're after, ie. close laptimes. ;D
(but I suck under pressure :( )

Take a punt on the 240R ;)
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on August 22, 2014, 05:56:29 PM
I think what you've posted just above is much better Wally.

At the end of the day the fastest guys should be nearer the front and the slower guys nearer the back but have it bunched up a lot more, which I think would be better achieved with the car combo and allocation method above.

Would it work, instead of swapping cars every race, to have only one "mid-season" reallocation?

I also really like the idea of the purchasing option Bird mentioned, although not sure how this would go in practice with shorter seasons.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on August 22, 2014, 06:01:27 PM
I agree with Guy as the point is not to have a complete artificial polar shift where the slower guys win and faster guys lose. Its just best to get all much closer together but still give all a fair chance for all not completly take the faster guys out of it and force them to battle at the back of the pack. Simply taking away a couple seconds from the quicler guys and giving a bit to the slower ones will make for a more competitive racing throughout.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 22, 2014, 06:37:35 PM
Yep, the goal was always just to bunch the field up more. These things work best if you change after every round, rather than just once. It gives everything more time to level out and fall into balance.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Bacchulum on August 22, 2014, 06:49:50 PM
Having a bunched up field based on laptime will shift the focus to racecraft, which isn't a bad thing. ;)
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Bacchulum on August 22, 2014, 09:32:52 PM
I think Marty is onto something.
Studies show the average is more populated than the extremes, resulting in a bell curve:
(http://www.mathsisfun.com/data/images/normal-distrubution-large.gif)
The focus should be on a tight group of cars with larger deviation at the limits.
Maybe including unused cars as yet, room for expansion (if more aliens show up).
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 22, 2014, 11:15:40 PM
You see this too in the RSR graphs, once you get enough laps.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 27, 2014, 11:23:15 AM
Candidate tracks and indicative lap times:


Gentrack 1 (1:44)
Nurburgring (2:20)
Castle Hill Long (1:13)
Imola (2:10)
Silverstone International (1:18)
Mugello (2:16)


Maybe throw in Spa, assuming we get it, even though a lap may be the other side of 3:00. I'd throw it in instead of another long lapper, such as Nurburgring.


I want to go for three sprints this season, each of about 15 mins duration, with 3 x 10 min qualifying sessions. That makes the overall night about the same length, and regroups the field more often for more action. You'd stay in the same car for all three races.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 27, 2014, 11:26:43 AM
Candidate tracks and indicative lap times:


Gentrack 1 (1:44)
Nurburgring (2:20)
Castle Hill Long (1:13)
Imola (2:10)
Silverstone International (1:18)
Mugello (2:16)


Maybe throw in Spa, assuming we get it, even though a lap may be the other side of 3:00. I'd throw it in instead of another long lapper, such as Nurburgring.


I want to go for three sprints this season, each of about 15 mins duration, with 3 x 10 min qualifying sessions. That makes the overall night about the same length, and regroups the field more often for more action. You'd stay in the same car for all three races.

Didn't we agree to have 5 rounds of Monza?
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 27, 2014, 11:37:49 AM
That's a private season, just for you Dick.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Bird on August 27, 2014, 12:13:09 PM
Vallelunga?  We haven't had too many races there...I certainly don't remember them! ;)
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 27, 2014, 12:20:09 PM
Vallelunga?  We haven't had too many races there...I certainly don't remember them! ;)

Vallelunga gives me nightmares. I think it's one of the tracks with about 16 grid positions only. I think that's why we haven't seen it yet.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: G0RGAK on August 27, 2014, 12:58:56 PM
Candidate tracks and indicative lap times:


Gentrack 1 (1:44)
Nurburgring (2:20)
Castle Hill Long (1:13)
Imola (2:10)
Silverstone International (1:18)
Mugello (2:16)


Maybe throw in Spa, assuming we get it, even though a lap may be the other side of 3:00. I'd throw it in instead of another long lapper, such as Nurburgring.


I want to go for three sprints this season, each of about 15 mins duration, with 3 x 10 min qualifying sessions. That makes the overall night about the same length, and regroups the field more often for more action. You'd stay in the same car for all three races.

Just my 2 cents, can we not use the custom made maps tracks they are just not up to scratch imo, even Castle Hill which is fairly high quality just does not have the surface variation, and turns what is a awesome simulator into more of a 'arcade' experience. I understand that playing the same maps tracks again does not appeal to some people, but at the end of the day its the racing experience, not the layout of the circuit that's determines the enjoyment (for me anyway).

So my track requests are :- Mugello, Imola, Monza, Nurburgring, Silvestone (Int or GP) and Spa if we get it.

Shame we can't use Vallelunga as it only has 22 spot's :(
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 27, 2014, 01:06:31 PM
Vallelunga?  We haven't had too many races there...I certainly don't remember them! ;)


It's a candidate, but the thing is it only has 22 pit boxes as opposed to the 24 of the other tracks. Magione is also ruled out by only having 18. I'd love to work these tracks in somehow.


The Vallelunga could be a short notice kind of thing if I know I'm only going to get 22 runners one week.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 27, 2014, 01:16:42 PM
Candidate tracks and indicative lap times:


Gentrack 1 (1:44)
Nurburgring (2:20)
Castle Hill Long (1:13)
Imola (2:10)
Silverstone International (1:18)
Mugello (2:16)


Maybe throw in Spa, assuming we get it, even though a lap may be the other side of 3:00. I'd throw it in instead of another long lapper, such as Nurburgring.


I want to go for three sprints this season, each of about 15 mins duration, with 3 x 10 min qualifying sessions. That makes the overall night about the same length, and regroups the field more often for more action. You'd stay in the same car for all three races.

Just my 2 cents, can we not use the custom made maps they are just not up to scratch imo, even Castle Hill which is fairly high quality just does not have the surface variation, and turns what is a awesome simulator into more of a 'arcade' experience. I understand that playing the same maps again does not appeal to some people, but at the end of the day its the racing experience, not the layout of the circuit that's determines the enjoyment (for me anyway).

So my track requests are :- Mugello, Imola, Monza, Nurburgring, Silvestone (Int or GP) and Spa if we get it.

Shame we can't use Vallelunga as it only has 22 spot's :(

I'm with GORGAK on this. There are indeed some very nice custom tracks! Great to see. But I really don't like to settle for anything less than 110% awesome.
Even more so. real life tracks. Part of the biggest appeal of AC to me is getting to race on real world tracks with extremely life like details.

I also understand Wally wanting to give us variety.
It's a tough situation atm.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on August 27, 2014, 01:34:48 PM
I'm happy with a mix of high quality mods and official tracks.  Gentrack1 is as good as any of the official tracks IMO.

Having bumps, etc on the road doesn't bother me.  It makes no difference to the racing.  There are a lot of circuits which don't have bumps anyway due to resurfacing, such as Donnington.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 27, 2014, 01:37:33 PM
Yeah, there's a balance to be struck. It was the same with netKar and addon tracks, in it's more limited way.
I don't want to just run the same 5 tracks over and over, which limits a season length, and there's also lap time to consider in some of the slower cars.
A pretty track might be great for hotlapping/practice, but when it comes down to the heat of battle, hopefully the track layout will become more important than the subtleties. I'll throw in only 1 or 2 custom tracks, if they're of "good enough" quality. I haven't seen too many that do the sim justice yet.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 27, 2014, 01:47:48 PM
I'm being over critical about tracks. AC is trying to take SIM to the next level. Let's support that and push the developers and modders to push maximum effort.
  And there are some that are very very close.

If I was big player at KUNOS. I'd be quite anti-mod. I can imagine someone new coming along. Unwittingly use a mod track, mod car and come away absolutely disappointed and wondering what all the fuss is about.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on August 27, 2014, 02:09:10 PM
Vallelunga?  We haven't had too many races there...I certainly don't remember them! ;)


It's a candidate, but the thing is it only has 22 pit boxes as opposed to the 24 of the other tracks. Magione is also ruled out by only having 18. I'd love to work these tracks in somehow.


The Vallelunga could be a short notice kind of thing if I know I'm only going to get 22 runners one week.

Maybe we need to start another official thread team spam asking for more grid spots on those 2 tracks. After all they have much larger fields at all tracks in some races with 100+ at spa and Nurburgring so surely fitting in 24 at magione and Vallelunga wouldnt be such a stretch.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 27, 2014, 03:07:43 PM
I'm being over critical about tracks. AC is trying to take SIM to the next level. Let's support that and push the developers and modders to push maximum effort.
  And there are some that are very very close.

If I was big player at KUNOS. I'd be quite anti-mod. I can imagine someone new coming along. Unwittingly use a mod track, mod car and come away absolutely disappointed and wondering what all the fuss is about.


It's a two edged sword. On the one hand, you get questionable quality, and also the problem of never being able to join an online pickup race because you never have the car and/or track mod. But on the other hand, good mods can prolong the life of your game considerably, like rFactor 1, or even netKar. We would never have raced on it that long if every race was on a variation of Aosta.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Gratulin on August 27, 2014, 03:36:08 PM
Perhaps in the meantime we can work a way to use Vallelunga and Magione. One way is to make those rounds single points rounds and ballot a few people to sit one of the races out.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 27, 2014, 03:48:04 PM
Perhaps in the meantime we can work a way to use Vallelunga and Magione. One way is to make those rounds single points rounds and ballot a few people to sit one of the races out.
I don't know if it's worth kicking some people out, just to use a different track. And then there's the question of the points those people miss out on. I'd rather try to work those tracks in if we're down on numbers at some stage.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Gratulin on August 27, 2014, 04:03:33 PM
Have to agree. The racing league is working really well at present. I for one, have more than enough to still learn with the existing set of cars and tracks. Just a pity that 2 of the AC tracks cannot be used.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 27, 2014, 06:46:05 PM
Let's kick Guybrush out of the 1st 4 races of the season. and Marty the last 4.
Wally and Bachulum should be kicked every second race.

it's only fair.


Is anyone else trying to skin a lotus? sounds freaky..  I'm not having much luck. the template seems to keep a red tinge I can't seem to get rid of.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Bruce on August 27, 2014, 07:13:19 PM
Is anyone else trying to skin a lotus? sounds freaky..
Not to me Dick,  I have a heram maid that skins my grapes.  :)

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Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Bacchulum on August 27, 2014, 08:31:38 PM
I've skinned an Exige, it worked out fine.
Apart from the fact the wire mesh doesn't line up, making a straight line a nightmare. >:(
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 27, 2014, 10:12:08 PM
Room for a SLS AMG on this list?
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on August 27, 2014, 11:01:02 PM
Room for a SLS AMG on this list?

This one is perfect for you Johnathon.

(http://www.netcarshow.com/Mercedes-Benz-SLS_AMG_GT_F1_Safety_Car-2013-wallpaper.jpg)
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 29, 2014, 11:03:48 AM

Elise variants are done. Guybrush's skins though, so he might throw a hissy fit if he has to share..
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n497/mogwai101/Showroom_lotus_elise_sc_29-8-2014-8-53-38.jpg)




This one is perfect for you Mr John.

(http://www.netcarshow.com/Mercedes-Benz-SLS_AMG_GT_F1_Safety_Car-2013-wallpaper.jpg)

Lot of skin real estate on these. Looking forward to having a SIM drive of one of my RL favorites.. except for the wanky gull doors.
Lets hope it is indeed what they give us this weekend.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on August 29, 2014, 12:28:14 PM
Can I reserve Hello Kitty for next season?  I feel I have grown attached, like a protective mother of her child.  A mother that also abuses her child and throws it 20 feet in the air at other children.

Dick, have you figured out how to animate rainbow tyres yet?  Hurry up! ;)
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 29, 2014, 01:25:05 PM
Can I reserve Hello Kitty for next season?  I feel I have grown attached, like a protective mother of her child.  A mother that also abuses her child and throws it 20 feet in the air at other children.

Dick, have you figured out how to animate rainbow tyres yet?  Hurry up! ;)

Reserving skins might be up to Mr Wally to decide that. He might throw a gasket having to assign skins too often?

I also think he is on the edge of a major SSD melt down.

 Now, a minutes silence for all unsaved work lost.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 29, 2014, 01:28:53 PM
I mentioned that I'm not going to be swapping skins around every week. You're right - that will blow up my SSD!
All I have to do server side is name your skin (and car model).


E.g.
MODEL=lotus_scura
SKIN=Forrest


So if you want to use a different skin for a different car each week, all you have to do is always give it the same name e.g. Forrest. That way I don't have to keep juggling who's got what skin this week.


And of course everyone will have to download all your variants.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Gratulin on August 29, 2014, 01:58:43 PM
Wally, I'm away for the next 3 Tuesdays (back for Tuesday Sept 23) so will most likely miss the start of Season 3 - not sure the planned start date however?
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 29, 2014, 02:08:01 PM
I mentioned that I'm not going to be swapping skins around every week. You're right - that will blow up my SSD!
All I have to do server side is name your skin (and car model).


E.g.
MODEL=lotus_scura
SKIN=Forrest


So if you want to use a different skin for a different car each week, all you have to do is always give it the same name e.g. Forrest. That way I don't have to keep juggling who's got what skin this week.


And of course everyone will have to download all your variants.

ok still need to dumb it down a little...

So let's say Guybrush wants his Hello Kitty skin on any car he drives.
I assume I would need to make as many skins as necessary in the event he is in all different cars. Which is a lot of bloody skins but luckily Guybrushes skin is very much cut and paste. something like birds would take some time to position correctly.

anyway.. so

I'd need to make all of guybrush's skins folders, for any model say:  'Guybrush' and that will assist you Wally?

I'll keep these skins quite simple (won't worry about driver skins) to help keep size down.
 
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Glen73 on August 29, 2014, 02:19:39 PM
Vallelunga?  We haven't had too many races there...I certainly don't remember them! ;)


It's a candidate, but the thing is it only has 22 pit boxes as opposed to the 24 of the other tracks. Magione is also ruled out by only having 18. I'd love to work these tracks in somehow.


The Vallelunga could be a short notice kind of thing if I know I'm only going to get 22 runners one week.

Maybe we need to start another official thread team spam asking for more grid spots on those 2 tracks. After all they have much larger fields at all tracks in some races with 100+ at spa and Nurburgring so surely fitting in 24 at magione and Vallelunga wouldnt be such a stretch.

Im happy to get the Germans on board again, maybe chuck in some Japanese too...
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Bacchulum on August 29, 2014, 02:40:41 PM
For Guybrush, Dick, just skin the slowest car. ::)
He probably won't get to drive any other.

I've skinned an Aleph Null Exige and the next fastest (I suck in tin-tops :-[) but both folders are named the same so Wally won't have to change anything. ;)
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 29, 2014, 03:01:21 PM
Wally, I'm away for the next 3 Tuesdays (back for Tuesday Sept 23) so will most likely miss the start of Season 3 - not sure the planned start date however?
Probably looking at a couple of fun/trial runs and then kick off the season Sep 16.

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So let's say Guybrush wants his Hello Kitty skin on any car he drives.
I assume I would need to make as many skins as necessary in the event he is in all different cars. Which is a lot of bloody skins but luckily Guybrushes skin is very much cut and paste. something like birds would take some time to position correctly.

anyway.. so

I'd need to make all of guybrush's skins folders, for any model say:  'Guybrush' and that will assist you Wally?

I'll keep these skins quite simple (won't worry about driver skins) to help keep size down.
 
Yep, if you just name all his skin folders "Guybrush", the same for each car, under that car's skins folder, that's all I'll need - that they all have the same name. Then for the whole season, his skin will just be "Guybrush", regardless of what car he's in.
Title: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Gratulin on August 29, 2014, 04:01:12 PM
Don't want to over complicate this but how do other drivers know what car a skin will be for? I realise we can look up the week's list of cars, then work out which folder to copy a particular driver's skin into, then go look for the specific skin for that driver and car combo for the week. Just saying it might get a tad messy?
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 29, 2014, 04:16:40 PM
Don't want to over complicate this but how do other drivers know what car a skin will be for? I realise we can look up the week's list of cars, then work out which folder to copy a particular driver's skin into, then go look for the specific skin for that driver and car combo for the week. Just saying it might get a tad messy?

 I could put 'guybrush' in a sub folder of the car make. Then just take it out of that car make folder once unzipped?
or I could post them separately. I'm sure I can name the zip file different to it's contents?
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Grubbet on August 29, 2014, 04:53:53 PM
Skinning the 240 and 240 s3 is pretty simple. you only have to skin one and the copy that skin folder to the other car skins. I guess its the same for the other cars that have s2 s3 etc?
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 29, 2014, 05:09:37 PM
Skinning the 240 and 240 s3 is pretty simple. you only have to skin one and the copy that skin folder to the other car skins. I guess its the same for the other cars that have s2 s3 etc?
I'm no skin expert, but I reckon it would be.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 29, 2014, 05:20:56 PM
Skinning the 240 and 240 s3 is pretty simple. you only have to skin one and the copy that skin folder to the other car skins. I guess its the same for the other cars that have s2 s3 etc?

for sure there are a few that have the same car shape. the 240's and the Elise SC variants. but the other lotususus don't
so the Exige's 240's and Elises..

at a glance i think the
the rest have different skin names in the templates

Exige Scura
Exige S Roadster   
M3 E92 Step 1   
Evora S   
BMW 1M   
Z4 E89 S1   
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on August 29, 2014, 07:14:08 PM
There might be some cars I'm less likely to be in Dick, so you might not have to do all of them???
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 29, 2014, 07:39:25 PM
There might be some cars I'm less likely to be in Dick, so you might not have to do all of them???
Guy is most likely going to be in an Elise SC variant.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 31, 2014, 08:22:07 AM
There might be some cars I'm less likely to be in Dick, so you might not have to do all of them???
Guy is most likely going to be in an Elise SC variant.

Ok.
Just say, All the stars align and the SIM gods smile upon Dick Forrest and he brings home a win..

Would I go from the fastest car, into the slowest car next week? Or would I Just drop down to the next slowest?

I'm getting there with skins. Trying other semi-traditional skins. The Lotusuess have a lot of panels though which spoil big designs cause they are hard to match up lines.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 31, 2014, 09:04:39 AM
No, it all just goes on fastest lap times. If you won by being faster than anyone else in your particular car, you may get a slightly slower car next week (not the slowest). It all depends how much faster you were, looking at fastest lap times.

If everyone's lap times end up being really close, then no ones car would change at all. It all balances out. Its not an exact science though, because everyone drives a bit differently of course, but it should be pretty close
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on August 31, 2014, 09:07:31 AM
No, it all just goes on fastest lap times. If you won by being faster than anyone else in your particular car, you may get a slightly slower car next week (not the slowest). It all depends how much faster you were, looking at fastest lap times.

If everyone's lap times end up being really close, then no ones car would change at all. It all balances out. Its not an exact science though, because everyone drives a bit differently of course, but it should be pretty close

Thanks Wally. i'm glad you are using your brain and not mine.

any chance of sandbagging? I know one or two let's say, morally questionable, members who might look for loopholes..
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on August 31, 2014, 10:05:16 AM
This might be over-kill Wally, but it would be good to take the average of each player's 2 fastest laps per race.  This is in case someone inadvertently cuts a corner, runs wide, or gets bumped past a corner, etc. and puts in a lap a bit faster than normal.

The other thing I was thinking - just as a throw-away idea - is that you could have a 13 minute qualifying session and then the top 5 (or 4, etc.) could do a hotlap each on clear track.  Kinda like in the V8 Supercars at some races.

So after the first session everyone's qual position bar the top 5 would be locked in, and then each car in the top 5 goes out on their own with the next car coming out when the preceding car is half-way through its hotlap.  It would give people the opportunity to watch each hotlap from the driver's seat and might add some excitement with everything on the line for one lap.  It would only take a few extra minutes if the next car is starting their hotlap not long after the first car finishes theirs.

Just a thought anyway.  Some people would probably find this boring if they weren't in the top 5.  I know I'd enjoy watching it unfold if I weren't involved in the shoot-out.  If I were in the top 5 I probably wouldn't fare as well, as hot-lapping consistency is a weakness for me.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 31, 2014, 12:28:50 PM
Thanks Wally. i'm glad you are using your brain and not mine.

any chance of sandbagging? I know one or two let's say, morally questionable, members who might look for loopholes..

Done it all before :)

Sure, there can be sandbagging. Like say, a certain team throwing a race in the M3 E30's to get the DTMs for Monza ;)
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Bird on August 31, 2014, 12:30:07 PM
[in response to Guybrush]
It's not technically viable - but I'd also vote against it.  I'd hate to just sit and watch 5 others go a lap one-by-one.  I'd probably just go and grab a beer or something :)  Some rF online series had this sort and it was boring as batshit, to be honest, xcuse my language :)

On the two laps avg; I don't see a reason, really.  I cannot see any real serious accidents where one gets too much of a bonus.  If there's the occasional occurrence, it can be raised as an individual case.
On the other hand if someone cuts and gains some, he'll just pay the price next race :) Nothing wrong with that, IMO.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 31, 2014, 12:32:49 PM
This might be over-kill Wally, but it would be good to take the average of each player's 2 fastest laps per race.  This is in case someone inadvertently cuts a corner, runs wide, or gets bumped past a corner, etc. and puts in a lap a bit faster than normal.

That's not a bad idea. It's easy enough to do... it's all automated.

I like "top 10" style shootouts. The pressure of having to do one clean hotlap is good fun (especially when everyone's watching). However, it does take quite a while, and it needs more stuffing around on the night, so I'm unlikely to introduce it any time soon. I'd like the game to enforce a limit on the number of qualifying laps you can do. I sort of fake it by having 10 minute qually sessions after the first one.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 31, 2014, 12:36:26 PM
On the two laps avg; I don't see a reason, really.
It'll make it a tiny bit more accurate. Like you might get a killer lap because you got lucky with drafting or something. No harm in averaging your top two. It all then gets averaged out over the whole round (3 sprints) as well.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Wally on August 31, 2014, 12:40:15 PM
Actually looking at the code, it needs a bit more of a change, so I won't do it after all (the averaging, I mean).
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on August 31, 2014, 07:56:46 PM
The thing with race laps is that if your battling you will generally be quite a bit slower then running on your own. But in the end best laps and first qualy times seem quite a similar order of drivers. Especially over the last few races of the last season which is what made the races a bit boring with everyone just that bit slower then the guy ahead most of the race.

Reverse grid would have been fun and Ive had some fun starting at the back on the public server. Which held up real well with 24 players at 10hz and flow control off on the little amazon server.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Bruce on September 01, 2014, 08:10:45 AM
I think I have only been in a top '#' shoot out once, but have enjoyed watching them,  with only 5 I think most would enjoy 'sitting in'.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: G0RGAK on September 01, 2014, 12:28:10 PM
And the winner of the top 5 shootout has to upload his setup so that we can see how he tuned his car :)
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Bird on September 01, 2014, 12:31:16 PM
And the winner of the top 5 shootout has to upload his setup so that we can see how he tuned his car :)


You already got that one - he's called Guybrush :)
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on September 01, 2014, 12:36:12 PM
And the winner of the top 5 shootout has to upload his setup so that we can see how he tuned his car :)


You already got that one - he's called Guybrush :)

Yeah.. But we want his REAL set up. NO MORE LAWNMOWERS
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on September 01, 2014, 03:26:46 PM
And the winner of the top 5 shootout has to upload his setup so that we can see how he tuned his car :)


You already got that one - he's called Guybrush :)

Yeah.. But we want his REAL set up. NO MORE LAWNMOWERS

Achiles heel is happy to help and share setups, just most of the "help" likely shouldnt be taken too literally and the setups shared are not likely used by the team drivers either.   :D
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on September 01, 2014, 05:36:56 PM
The setups in my dropbox are the exact same as what I've used during qualifying and race.

The only time I've used any different was for last weeks race 2 - I softened the front suspension a little and raised the ride height so the tyres would cope a bit better.  In hind-sight I don't think it really made much of a difference though.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on September 01, 2014, 06:43:38 PM
The setups in my dropbox are the exact same as what I've used during qualifying and race.

The only time I've used any different was for last weeks race 2 - I softened the front suspension a little and raised the ride height so the tyres would cope a bit better.  In hind-sight I don't think it really made much of a difference though.

So.. You're saying they are exactly the same except for the differences?
You where also very quick to defend yourself. Explain? Was it out of guilt?
And id you, or did you not have your fingers crossed when you wrote this quoted post?
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on September 08, 2014, 09:29:13 AM
Not having a great deal of fun with skinning lotusesess. Too many panels! lol
I've been working on a few though. Nothing too fancy as there isn't enough room. The BMW might have big panels though.
  I've got Guybrushes done though. And could do Mary's My Little Pony as well.

I'm not sure if anyone else want's me to try and duplicate their cobra skins onto Lotussues?
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on September 08, 2014, 11:36:20 AM
Not having a great deal of fun with skinning lotusesess. Too many panels! lol
I've been working on a few though. Nothing too fancy as there isn't enough room. The BMW might have big panels though.
  I've got Guybrushes done though. And could do Mary's My Little Pony as well.

I'm not sure if anyone else want's me to try and duplicate their cobra skins onto Lotussues?

I dont remember asking for any skins Dick, you can drive the pony skin if you like.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on September 08, 2014, 11:56:27 AM
Not having a great deal of fun with skinning lotusesess. Too many panels! lol
I've been working on a few though. Nothing too fancy as there isn't enough room. The BMW might have big panels though.
  I've got Guybrushes done though. And could do Mary's My Little Pony as well.

I'm not sure if anyone else want's me to try and duplicate their cobra skins onto Lotussues?

I dont remember asking for any skins Dick, you can drive the pony skin if you like.

You are delusional Marty! get some rest. You have been harrasing me for the last two weeks to make sure you get your My Little Pony skins.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on September 08, 2014, 07:17:34 PM
It's OK Dick, remember our special friend is not the same as before his head injury, so you have to show a little patience now.

Don't nod your head and ignore it though, approach him calmly and politely explain what has happened.  If he starts to get frustrated then change the topic and come back to it later.  Remember, it's not his fault he is like this now.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on September 08, 2014, 10:12:29 PM
I may have banged my head but I dont think Im the delusional one. To stop Dick from getting all upset I think we need to continue pretending that we asked for these skins and also that we like them.  ;D
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on September 09, 2014, 09:42:54 AM
I may have banged my head but I dont think Im the delusional one. To stop Dick from getting all upset I think we need to continue pretending that we asked for these skins and also that we like them.  ;D

Have you found your pace again Marty?
I've still got this damn flu but I'll be there.

I'm hoping it will be a nice bunched up race.. till the 1st chicane  :D
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on September 09, 2014, 09:50:57 AM
I havent ran many laps been getting an annoying headache the last few days, I will give it a crack tonight though as it should be an interesting race in the mixed cars.
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: Dick Forrest on September 09, 2014, 10:45:36 AM
I havent ran many laps been getting an annoying headache the last few days, I will give it a crack tonight though as it should be an interesting race in the mixed cars.

Are you working buddy? Or taking it easy? Don't practice too much before tonight. Two reasons. Your head is still broken (normal really) and I don't need the extra competition...
Bad enough with all these ring-ins Wally keeps finding!! lol
Title: Re: Season 3 thoughts
Post by: marty on September 09, 2014, 11:36:49 AM
Not working taking a few days off, I only ran AC on Sunday was ok but got a little dizzy after a bit. Seems to be a few new guys coming for this season so may be a good turnout for the practice race.
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