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Title: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Phil.8 on March 03, 2016, 09:53:58 PM

http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=1341.0

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Phil.8 on March 03, 2016, 09:58:43 PM

Server is up. I will work out how many laps the race will be once I have done some laps :)

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: slideways on March 04, 2016, 03:07:12 PM

Well I managed 8 consecutive laps without incident so far. Now just have to figure out how to double that and go heaps faster... :o

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: gawaterman on March 04, 2016, 04:37:34 PM

Car Selection: Round 1 your choice.
Subsequent Races: As per a handicapping method, the better you do, the slower the car...

So is this still happening, or free choice?

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Bruce on March 04, 2016, 04:50:10 PM

Quote from: gawaterman on March 04, 2016, 04:37:34 PM

Car Selection: Round 1 your choice.
Subsequent Races: As per a handicapping method, the better you do, the slower the car...

So is this still happening, or free choice?

I hate it when someone finds flaws in my ideas! :)
will think about this, it may take the fun out of it, ie: one car all season should give us "yin and yan" of each car...

nice work GW.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: rooshooter on March 04, 2016, 05:40:36 PM

Quote from: Bruce on March 04, 2016, 04:50:10 PM

Quote from: gawaterman on March 04, 2016, 04:37:34 PM

Car Selection: Round 1 your choice.
Subsequent Races: As per a handicapping method, the better you do, the slower the car...

So is this still happening, or free choice?

I hate it when someone finds flaws in my ideas! :)
will think about this, it may take the fun out of it, ie: one car all season should give us "yin and yan" of each car...



nice work GW.

If gawaterman wants a slower car Bruce, give it to him, he needs some handicapping! But nobody else is allowed to swap cars.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: gawaterman on March 04, 2016, 06:24:10 PM

Looking at the practise lap times at Longford it would be pretty hard to pick the slow cars from the fast cars, cos the times didn't vary much from car to car. The Sierra was quickest but that was a Sierra track.

Driver    Vehicle    Time    Gap
slideways            ford_sierra_cosworth_rs500_dtm      02:27.6540    
-XGN-Phil.8    bmw_m3_e30_dtm                              02:27.8580       0.204
humper            ks_mercedes_190_evo2                      02:28.1920      0.538
-XGN-Phil.8    bmw_m3_e30_dtm                              02:28.2860      0.632
slideways            ford_sierra_cosworth_rs500_dtm      02:28.6020      0.948
-XGN-Phil.8    bmw_m3_e30_dtm                              02:28.8800      1.226
lenore9           ford_sierra_cosworth_rs500_dtm      02:28.9110      1.257

Also, are we going to make rolling starts the norm, if the Sierra's get on the front row every time we are going to get some chaotic starts. But then again that gives them a big advantage.

Sorry Bruce

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: slideways on March 04, 2016, 07:14:51 PM

Definitely hats off to the non sierra drivers, I couldn't get those times out of either of those other cars.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: AJ on March 04, 2016, 07:29:55 PM

If you go to about 80% clutch with the throttle pinned for the first few seconds after the lights go out, you can launch the Sierra just as fast as the other cars. Just takes a bit of practice.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: rooshooter on March 05, 2016, 09:01:34 AM

Quote from: AJ on March 04, 2016, 07:29:55 PM

If you go to about 80% clutch with the throttle pinned for the first few seconds after the lights go out, you can launch the Sierra just as fast as the other cars. Just takes a bit of practice.

Tried that idea works great, thanks AJ.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: rooshooter on March 05, 2016, 09:02:19 AM

Quote from: slideways on March 04, 2016, 07:14:51 PM

Definitely hats off to the non sierra drivers, I couldn't get those times out of either of those other cars.

+1

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: rooshooter on March 05, 2016, 09:04:15 AM

Would it be possible to run stracker on practice serve so we know if we are on the pace or not?

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Bruce on March 05, 2016, 10:16:06 AM

No need to be sorry GW, all cool.
I think we stick with the cars we have run, newbies (ie Bird :) ) and others, can leverage off the first round experiences
Would have been happy to convert to rolling start, but now with some excellent instruction for non "Sierra Hot Initiation Start"s from driving coach AJ, lets leave it as a grid start, and we will take care!

looking forward to the next round...

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Bruce on March 05, 2016, 10:17:40 AM

Quote from: rooshooter on March 05, 2016, 09:04:15 AM

Would it be possible to run stracker on practice serve so we know if we are on the pace or not?

Phil!!

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Phil.8 on March 05, 2016, 01:12:17 PM

Sorry I have inquired and Its nots possible to run stracker on the server :( 

I will try to put results from practice up every day or so

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: slideways on March 05, 2016, 04:28:24 PM

Anyone up for practice laps tonight let me know, I'm keen. Fair chance I'll be way slower though so don't expect any real competition. I'm the Rock "N" Roll racer around here. Still stuck in the '50s.... ;D

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Bruce on March 05, 2016, 04:34:39 PM

Quote from: Phil.8 on March 05, 2016, 01:12:17 PM

Sorry I have inquired and Its nots possible to run stracker on the server :( 

I will try to put results from practice up every day or so

No problems.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Bruce on March 05, 2016, 04:36:10 PM

Quote from: slideways on March 05, 2016, 04:28:24 PM

Anyone up for practice laps tonight let me know, I'm keen. Fair chance I'll be way slower though so don't expect any real competition. I'm the Rock "N" Roll racer around here. Still stuck in the '50s.... ;D

I understand slideways,  our cars house fittings are all Jump Blues/RR era!

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: slideways on March 05, 2016, 04:41:37 PM

Hehehehe, better make that clear, that's the 1:50's. If it was 50's I'd be a damn cheatin' alien.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: rooshooter on March 05, 2016, 05:15:17 PM

Quote from: Phil.8 on March 05, 2016, 01:12:17 PM

Sorry I have inquired and Its nots possible to run stracker on the server :( 

I will try to put results from practice up every day or so

Thanks Phil.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Gratulin on March 06, 2016, 08:52:53 PM

Hi,

I think we have the BAD version of Interlagos on the server. The GOOD version is "INTERLAGOS BETA – 14-03-15" by Malagoli Garage.

Phil and Bruce, download from URL below to check it out.

https://malagoligarage.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/interlagos-beta-v-14-mar-2015/ (https://malagoligarage.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/interlagos-beta-v-14-mar-2015/)

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Phil.8 on March 06, 2016, 09:56:45 PM

Looks good, I like it  I am happy to swap over to this one. If a few other do some laps let me know if any reasons why I shouldn't.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: slideways on March 07, 2016, 06:54:09 AM

Will do some laps soon. Just watching the AI going around. Visuals are night and day between the two. Had to have PP off for the other and still looked bad.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: rooshooter on March 07, 2016, 08:25:50 AM

Quote from: Phil.8 on March 06, 2016, 09:56:45 PM

Looks good, I like it  I am happy to swap over to this one. If a few other do some laps let me know if any reasons why I shouldn't.

I like it, looks much better and drives better too. Well spotted Gratulin.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Gratulin on March 07, 2016, 09:03:41 AM

Yeah. Malagoli has some good quality mods.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: slideways on March 07, 2016, 10:04:01 AM

Yep, drives better, looks better and pitstops are working fine. Didn't find any holes anywhere.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: rooshooter on March 07, 2016, 10:28:48 AM

Quote from: slideways on March 07, 2016, 10:04:01 AM

Yep, drives better, looks better and pitstops are working fine. Didn't find any holes anywhere.

No holes ,thank god for that!

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Phil.8 on March 07, 2016, 11:14:17 AM

Server is updated with new track
https://malagoligarage.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/interlagos-beta-v-14-mar-2015/
http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=1341.0

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Gratulin on March 07, 2016, 01:30:36 PM

Great! Has anyone broken 1:50s??

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: slideways on March 07, 2016, 02:28:02 PM

By a whisker.... ;)

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Phil.8 on March 07, 2016, 04:51:22 PM

I have finally updated the standings

ChampionShip Standings:

     

1   gawaterman                        25
2   Imperious                            18
3   XGN Gratulin                       15
4   XGN Wally Masterson          12
5   AJ                                        10
6   robin                                      8
7   Bird                                        6
8   humper                                  4
9   KuminsLapsa                          2
10 -XGN-Phil.8                            1

http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=1341.msg23522#msg23522

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Phil.8 on March 07, 2016, 05:44:17 PM

Some Practice results

http://simresults.net/160307-4Ce

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: rooshooter on March 08, 2016, 10:34:54 AM

May I suggest the strategy for this race is to find a laptime you can comfortably repeat 16 times without
spinning off the the track at some random point, while trying to shave a fraction of a second off . My best so far,
 is 10 laps without a spin, although I went very close at one point. It is also possible to end up stuck on top of a guard rail and jump back to the pits.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Phil.8 on March 08, 2016, 10:51:33 AM

I use this in practice sessions to try and get consistent
http://www.xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=1163.0

You can change the length of the time trial in the .ini for it 

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: rooshooter on March 08, 2016, 11:44:18 AM

Thanks Phil.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: slideways on March 09, 2016, 10:07:35 AM

Are we sticking to "rolling start" for this? Got no clutch atm (hopefully next week) and I don't think auto clutch is enabled.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Phil.8 on March 09, 2016, 11:08:31 AM

I am happy to do a rolling start if you like.  You could bind the clutch to a button as a temporary measure ?

Its probably fairer for the sierra drivers to do rolling starts

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: slideways on March 09, 2016, 11:16:32 AM

I've tried that but it won't let me.. :'( No bigee, if it's a standing start I'll start at the back. Rolling start, I'll have a crack at qualifying.. ;D

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: humper on March 09, 2016, 03:34:37 PM

Quote from: Phil.8 on March 09, 2016, 11:08:31 AM

You could bind the clutch to a button as a temporary measure ?

I didn't think you could do this in AC? I'm not able to get an axis to respond to key input. Are you doing this with some other software work around?

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Gratulin on March 09, 2016, 03:37:06 PM

Quote from: Phil.8 on March 09, 2016, 11:08:31 AM

I am happy to do a rolling start if you like.  You could bind the clutch to a button as a temporary measure ?

Its probably fairer for the sierra drivers to do rolling starts

Yeah. But who wants to be fair. Going past the Sierras at the start is too much fun ;)

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: slideways on March 10, 2016, 08:44:17 AM

It seems the TS server is down. Hope it's nothing serious.. :-[

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Phil.8 on March 10, 2016, 09:34:24 AM

I think Bird  has a backup TS and I have Gamevox if needed
https://www.gamevox.com/GKPX-8AB

sounds 100% better than TS

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Bird on March 10, 2016, 09:57:43 AM

I've stopped the backup TS the last time the whole server crashed :)   It seemed it has used more memory than its fair share at some point (but not sure).
I think I can start it up if the regular TS does not get back.

Gamevox: now everyone would have to d/l a client, configure it, iron out problems...not sure if we want to do that, but up to you guys.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: slideways on March 10, 2016, 10:08:53 AM

I've installed it and it appears to be working...haven't actually been on a server though.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: imperious on March 10, 2016, 06:40:48 PM

TS is working.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Freezer on March 10, 2016, 06:43:42 PM

Hi Guys,
Can I jump in for a race tonight?  Will take either the BMW or Merc.  Let me know.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: rooshooter on March 10, 2016, 07:20:33 PM

Quote from: Freezer on March 10, 2016, 06:43:42 PM

Hi Guys,
Can I jump in for a race tonight?  Will take either the BMW or Merc.  Let me know.

I am sure nobody will mind.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Phil.8 on March 10, 2016, 07:24:51 PM

Quote from: Freezer on March 10, 2016, 06:43:42 PM

Hi Guys,
Can I jump in for a race tonight?  Will take either the BMW or Merc.  Let me know.

of course

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Phil.8 on March 10, 2016, 09:36:02 PM

Results

http://simresults.net/160310-x2m

http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=1341.0

1    gawaterman                 25
2    humper                        18
3    -XGN-Phil.8                  15
4    Marty                           12
5    Bird                              10
6    Glenn Frost                    8
7    XGN Gratulin                  6
8    Imperious                       4
9   robin                               2
10    lenore9                         1


ChampionShip Standings:


1  gawaterman             50   
2  Imperious              22   
3  humper                 22   
4  XGN Gratulin           21
5  -XGN-Phil.8            16   
6  Bird                   16   
7  XGN Wally Masterson    12   
8  AJ                     10   
9  Marty                  12   
10 robin                  10   
11 Glenn Frost             8
12 lenore9                 1

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Bird on March 10, 2016, 10:09:41 PM

Great race, good fun. 
The merc was a bit shitty on worn tyres, so I pitted instead of continuing, I was skidding everywhere.  Interestingly, the new tyres started deteriorating fairly quickly, too.   I've managed to put in my fastest lap - a 1:47 - after the pit, but in 5 or so laps I was back to the previous pace - altho it still wasn't the drifto-tyre mode it was after 15 laps :D

WD guys, good run!

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Phil.8 on March 10, 2016, 10:13:26 PM

Yes well done everyone for doing a one hour race

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: imperious on March 10, 2016, 10:42:07 PM

Well, I screwed up big time tonight. The 1st start was all good, but then at the restart I wasn't paying proper attention and
forgot to click to enter the race. As a result I started from the pit lane.
I had a bit of fun swapping positions with Glenn a couple of times, I'm convinced I was quicker behind than in front though.
Changed tyres at 2/3 distance but was too far behind, also my in lap and out lap were woeful.

I will endeavour to pay more attention at the start next week

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Freezer on March 11, 2016, 07:56:41 AM

Good nights racing.  I got a decent start at the first attempt and grabbed a spot of two however on the second restart I was spun around at T1 and found myself facing backward and last.
From their I had a hard fought battle with a BMW (cant remember name) but unfortunately on two occassions he decided to move across on me when I got a run alongside.  The first hit we survived, the second occurrence saw him spin and I pushed on.
Pushed hard trying to make up time and pitted for tyres at lap 17.  After that had a battle with Bird, although he was a touch quicker and eventually got past.  I did have 10 sec penalty mainly from putting a wheel over the median strip on exiting T3 a couple of times but in the end I think I finished around 5th or so. 

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Wally on March 11, 2016, 07:57:24 AM

I had a spin early on in the race which saw me go through a barrier and back into pits. It refuelled me and changed tyres, but I was a lap down. I didn't want to pit again, so I trundled around on tyres on 95 wear for the last half of the race. I did have a bit of a run with Bird for a while, but after that it was pretty lonely. I couldn't catch bradc who was about 8 seconds up the road.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Bruce on March 11, 2016, 09:06:54 AM

great to see the field growing on the Thursday night, and wow GW, did you shine on the night, great driving!
Pleased to see BradC was able to join in and being so new to AC put some good laps in, it's all the "little bits" of a sim that can make it easier, but ie the pitconfig app (http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=1302.0) we now use, will make all the difference.
and talking of the pitapp, I clicked the "no fill/med tyres" in the first change and the second clicked "no fill/softs" and put some good times in, made up for being 1 lap down! :)

Interlargos is a really good track, we used it often in rFactor, certainly good for the sprints or the longer races. 
Thanks Phil for the managing a great night again...

Well the first laps on was on the main group after successfully getting through the first little incidents and found once again, I am faster following, and was on the bumper of Rob and having a ball, until I got too much of Rob's bumper, I know you say all okay, but I was annoyed I did it.  Enjoyed the night, was very stuffed but happy.... (and happy I didn't use the main straight run off, which I used heavily in practice nights :) )

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Bird on March 11, 2016, 09:53:45 AM

I've humped the back of humper at least on 3 occasions.  :D   I really wanted to get around, but as I was trying to gather momentum through the corner I ended up nudging him.  At least no-one was the worse for it - the collision model held up all right. 

I have a feeling that our billiard-ball tuesdays are more of a lag problem. 

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: rooshooter on March 11, 2016, 10:29:50 AM

Well after completing my longest race ever I was glad to finish and sad it was over! I take my hat off to GW, I am driving
the same car, I do not know how you do it. ( what diff ratio and brake balance are you using?). I was glad the field was large
as I was never really lonely, I do not know how I held off slideways, in our practice sessions he was faster than me. It does not take
much of a difference in lap time, over 28 laps, to be down the back of the field.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: slideways on March 11, 2016, 10:35:58 AM

Best laid plans and all that. I worked out that I couldn't do it without pitting going any quicker than mid to high 1:50's. At 1:48 pace I could only get about halfway in practice. My goal was to finish 8th from the back but the soft tyre option threw me so just concentrated on finishing without dramas. Apologies to whoever I had the big doorslammer with, didn't even know you were there. Think I lost about 20secs so came off worse I think.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: humper on March 11, 2016, 11:43:37 AM

All the chatter about tires had me worried. I was running around up front for a bit at the start but was quite happy to surrender so I could work on saving rubber. There was no way I was pitting! I've never used the pits in AC and have no software addons telling me anything.

So I just ran around quite lonely for most of the race trying not to slide the car anywhere. It started to get a little interesting toward the end as Marty's tires were dying and he get past then slip off the track, repeat and repeat. Then right in the final laps it started getting real interesting as Bruce was catching fast with Bird on the radio talking up the "fast times" Bruce was ticking off. I was desperately slip sliding around the track trying to stay ahead. Of coarse having no idea he was a lap down but it made for an exciting finish none the less.

Great track, really glad we switched to updated graphics version.
Not so sure about my strategy of nursing the car round, probably would have been better if I knew something about pitting and could have let merc rip.

In saying that it probably wouldn't have helped as GW's pace was awsome. WD all.

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Phil.8 on March 11, 2016, 11:51:09 AM

http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=1302.0 pitconfig app (http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=1302.0 pitconfig app)

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Bird on March 11, 2016, 12:27:17 PM

Humper, try pitting in one of the practice races - maybe a number of times, even. (you can reverse back to the box after leaving and stop again).  This is just to get to know what's there.

It's ok-ish, but slow to click it all together.

Next: if you want quick stops, download the pitconfig app (as above) - then you can set the required changes before (or while) driving and all you need is to nail the stop :)

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Gratulin on March 11, 2016, 01:01:52 PM

Had a mixed night fighting concentration. My biggest contribution was causing the restart after hitting someone from behind and then mounting the guard rail ;)

I then was in the middle of the T1 bingle at the restart. Found it really difficult to keep up with car in front but not hit it through T1 in the restart. I then had a few offs towards the end. Head-butted fence once and then did a full 360 taking out Bird. Both times I lost concentration watching cars coming up behind and forgot to drive around the corners!!??

Happy with a 7th however. Couldn't have done any better I reckon given the BMW switching to softs. Was that legal?I'll get my lawyers onto it!!??

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: gawaterman on March 11, 2016, 01:29:08 PM

Well that was a huge surprise. After Bruce said to stick with the same car I was apprehensive. Only intended to use the Siera at Longford cos that track had long straights and few corners.
 Then after 10 or so practice laps at Interlargos I was horrified, kept spinning 3 or 4 times every lap.
Then the more laps I did, seemed to gell with the car. Driving it at 8 tenths seems the best attack, plus it looks like somewhere in the coding the Sierra looks after its tyres much better, cos I didn't change tyres and was still doing 1.48s near the end
Looks like the car I didn't want, turns out to be the best one
Used a 2.92 final ratio and 67% brake balance rooshooter.

btw,what was the name of that tyre app everyone is using. I used to use OV1info but that hasn't worked for me after one of the AC upgrades?

Title: Re: Round 2? - Date: March 10th Interlargos
Post by: Bird on March 11, 2016, 03:35:36 PM

I'm using Danny Giusa's tyre temp app (shows dirt & temp, and optimal temp, coloured) as well as Wally's tyre pressure engineer (although it makes no difference here)
Mind you, I don't think everyone uses the same apps :)

Wally's:
http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=1244.0

Giusa's
http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/danny-giusas-tyre-temperatures.3507/

Tyre temp app discussion:
http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=331.0