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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on October 05, 2016, 07:24:22 PM
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Welcome to the inaugural round of the Maserati MC GT4 season.
This round is two 30 minute sprint races (17 laps each), with qualifying for race 1, and race 2 start order set by race 1 finish order.
Each race has a compulsory pit stop, where tyres must be changed, but refuelling is not allowed. There's no pit window.
Fuel is 1x.
Tyre wear is 2x.
See the sign up thread for track download and weather conditions.
We will not be using the rolling start app , but we will be doing rolling starts for each race.
The leader has to do about 100 kmh approaching the final turn, and can go anytime between exiting the last turn and the start line, at his discretion, with an announcement on TS. There is no overtaking before the start line.
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The practice server is up and called XGN.COM.AU Tues League Practice server (MR AB) +XGN If anyone is registered in the season and cant get in let me know in pm and I will make sure I add you to the xgn whitelist. In these servers always do your best to try not cause too much carnage, I will also add people with custom skins to the entry list so people should be able to get their skin if they join the server.
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with rolling starts why are we not doing double file
i found the single file a pain
Oh i am a nascar fan :)
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Yeah, I watch NASCAR.
I dream of tapping Danica in the arse. ;)
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Yeah, I watch NASCAR.
I dream of tapping Danica in the arse. ;)
Ok, let me see if I understand what you mean...
single file fun: Gratulin thinks he's going to qualify just behind Wally
double file fun: Gratulin thinks he's going to qualify two spots behind Wally
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with rolling starts why are we not doing double file
i found the single file a pain
Oh i am a nascar fan :)
I saw no issue with the double file start race 2 in the practice run, only issue was contact before t1 but that also happened in the single file start and regularly happens in most race series. It is what it is though but seeing we are following the blancpain style racing they must be starting single file too. :)
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People don't like opening lap accidents. Single file rolling starts are to reduce opening lap incidents.
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Single file just makes it less likely to have an incident but its driver awareness of those around them that avoid incidents. Both starts in the practice race had t1 incidents and it was luck more then anything else that made the single file one involve less people then the double file. Being side by side into t1 of the first lap is really no different to being side by side at any other point of the track, I dont like incidents at any point and so try to avoid hitting others at all times.
I actually think forcing people to be more aware of others around them on the formation lap will help them in race battles possibly. Trying to keep people out of combat will just make it take longer for them to learn to deal with other cars and also feel more uncomfortable side by side with others when they get to the situation. A formation lap is a great way to get people to run side by side at slower pace and so get more comfortable with this, they may even learn that to run side by side in the race you need to actually go slower then if your on your own.
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A AUD0.02 comment: we are 30!
Single file might mean 300 meters (it's important the leader announces also when he reaches the straight, because the last guy might have no idea).
Double file might be impossible for the last rows in tracks that have a tight corner before the start/finish line (it's important the leader knows this and waits for very late in the grid before starting)
I do not mind any decision, but take this into consideration.
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Real racing can start double file or single file with 100+ cars at any track. Just because the race has started and if your entering the last turn or mid turn doesnt mean you have to floor it. ;)
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Real racing can start double file or single file with 100+ cars at any track. Just because the race has started and if your entering the last turn or mid turn doesnt mean you have to floor it. ;)
Sure, but the race director takes the shape of the last turns into consideration when choosing when to give the start. All I am saying is we should do the same. That's it.
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I've already made the decision for single file. It's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other, and I'm not changing things just for the sake of change.
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The practice server I have changed up to random grip levels. I also shortened the qualy and race but left a long practice session if people just want to run laps but can easily be skipped if a few want some race practice.
If people would prefer fixed grip levels I can change it back later.
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So with the formation lap are we confirming that there will be a penalty if there is overlap before the start line?
Oh, btw, I'm not going to be able to make it Tuesday night - away for work again.
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Who are you expecting to be ABLE to overlap Guy? ???
Like there'll be anyone in front of you.....
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So with the formation lap are we confirming that there will be a penalty if there is overlap before the start line?
Oh, btw, I'm not going to be able to make it Tuesday night - away for work again.
No, I'm not going to bother with penalties for overlapping before the start line - too much work. It will have to be an honour system. Collisions in the formation lap will be penalised though.
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So with the formation lap are we confirming that there will be a penalty if there is overlap before the start line?
Oh, btw, I'm not going to be able to make it Tuesday night - away for work again.
I thought it was just not permitted to gain a postion before the start of the lap. Not allowing any overlap would be a good rule but would mean Wally needs to check the start which I think he does anyway for lap 1 penalties. If it is single file then I guess that no overlap should happen between the last turn and start line.
Bummer your missing another round too.
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Yeah, I would expect no overlap until after the start line.
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See how they did all those single file rolling starts at Bathurst? That's how well be starting.
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I see the sheep stations are on the table again. :P
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I think we've discussed the rolling starts to death, but just wanted to ask if we are after realism, would it not be more true to life if there was no "Go Go Go" over TeamSpeak?
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I think we've discussed the rolling starts to death, but just wanted to ask if we are after realism, would it not be more true to life if there was no "Go Go Go" over TeamSpeak?
In Blancpain GT3 series that we are loosely basing this on they have a rolling formation with the race started by a green light, its not like a race restart that is up to the lead driver to control the race start.
Technically you would want the green light to be set by someone else other then the leader, but being single file I really dont think it makes any difference as we arent meant to pass before the line anyway. Leader can set the start which is much easier to do rather then someone that cant even see the lead or then be able to say in a replay at what point they called go.
The start format should just keep cars in single file until all cross the line and that in itself may cause issues if someone checks up ahead and the rest of the pack piles in. There really is no perfect way to start a race and at some point it has to go down to the drivers trying their best to avoid causing a collision with anyone else at any point. Accidents will happen even if people do their best especially in cars like this that will have cold tyres and no ABS into t1 with a tight pack into t1.
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Luckily we dont have a safety car ahead of the pack to cause this sort of chaos. Even in this series they have a rolling start with green lights starting the race.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u8jOBDoKho
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Yes, like Marty said, as there is no passing before the start line we don't really need someone to say go. The leader can go anytime he likes from exiting the final corner to the start line.
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Luckily we dont have a safety car ahead of the pack to cause this sort of chaos. Even in this series they have a rolling start with green lights starting the race.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u8jOBDoKho
Wow, what a disaster.
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Yes, like Marty said, as there is no passing before the start line we don't really need someone to say go. The leader can go anytime he likes from exiting the final corner to the start line.
I think it is safer to have a "go" being shout. Before the "go", while the leader will try to keep a constant speed, there will still be the inevitable speed adjustments and the following cars will expect them. After the "go", we will all safely expect the leader to increase his speed at full throttle.
Without a "go" message, we would all be left guessing whether the last acceleration is the definitive one or just a speed adjustment. It seems a bit too complicated to me.
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True, it might be a bit safer. We'll try a "Go" call and see.
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True, it might be a bit safer. We'll try a "Go" call and see.
It is true,in iracing there is a "go,go,go" voice signalling the start of hostilities,it is a bit safer.
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Server's up.
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Server's up.
Hi Wally: both hornbug and I cannot join the server. It gives us a checksum error. Most likely it is a matter of track versions?
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Server's up.
Hi Wally: both hornbug and I cannot join the server. It gives us a checksum error. Most likely it is a matter of track versions?
Bugger. I'll check in a moment.
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I intend on being there but the baby hasn't long woken up, so depends when he falls asleep again. Probably safe to say I intend to be at every race, but if I'm not, the baby is why! :)