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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on January 19, 2016, 11:12:24 PM
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Season 10 begins!
Format: 2 x 15 laps, 2 x fuel and tyres.
1 compulsory pit stop in each race, optional tyre change only allowed (no refuelling allowed).
Progressive grid: Race 2 start order set by race 1 finish order.
Weather: 12 Light Fog. 15 Light Clouds
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Need the heater on this round, and practice with the pit app.
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Practice server is up, Grid limit for Silverstone OSRW is 32 cars so not sure if Wally is going to open the field to that many on the race nite but practice server is up with a mix of GT3 cars to fill the 32 slots.
This should be the link to the current setup on the pracitce server in stracker, atm it still shows Vallelunga as nobody has run a lap it Silverstone but once they do this link will always show the current practice server stats.
http://52.62.71.102:50041/lapstat?currservers=acserver
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Sorry, bit unclear; "no refuelling allowed" means it's allowed not to refuel, or it's not allowed to fill anything in at the stop?
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Sorry, bit unclear; "no refuelling allowed" means it's allowed not to refuel, or it's not allowed to fill anything in at the stop?
The real-life regs don't allow refuelling in that format. So it means you can change tyres or do repairs, but you can't put any fuel in.
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Thanks!
Since the stop is compulsory, might as well change the tyres...
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Thanks!
Since the stop is compulsory, might as well change the tyres...
I reckon meds will get a bit squirmy after half an hour if you don't.
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I know I get a bit squirmy after my meds!!!
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Rules sounding good Wally!!
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Good fun tonight on the practice server
Meds are the way to go, I changed end of lap 7, but then by lap 15 I was on struggling...
Still, u get the idea
Now I need to play with the pit app - I fumbled a bit and that could save 2-3 seconds in a race...
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Same here Rolz!
:D
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Meds seem to be the way to go, if the stop wasnt compulsory then I may have gone a mclaren as this had a chance against paul in the lambo as tyres were much better in the end. The audi seems to eat tyres but at least its quick between stops so its my current choice. It actually isnt as nice to drive as the 650s but that still cant pass anything on this track so I abandoned that alternative.
At least the audi should be an ok all rounder and has a fair chance against the others, some setup work should make it better again.
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I used to drink a beer before/during the race...but you guys are on what sort of meds? :D
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I used to drink a beer before/during the race...but you guys are on what sort of meds? :D
Apparently the meds give them something in between soft and hard.
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Don't forget, you only have to stop. You don't HAVE TO change tyres. You MAY change tyres.
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Don't forget, you only have to stop. You don't HAVE TO change tyres. You MAY change tyres.
But are you also allowed to add fuel? I know the regulations say you cant but no real way to patrol this. Also if stopping mid distance with only just enough fuel the fuel will add time to the stop but also running heavy early adds time to the first stint so it does open up some nice strategy choice. Its also possibly still quickest not stopping so there must be a way to enforce all to stop and if they dont its a instant DQ I assume.
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I said it before, but I'll repeat it.
You are not allowed to add fuel (although I can't enforce it).
I will be able to check that people have pitted though, and yes, if you don't it will be a DQ.
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I used to drink a beer before/during the race...but you guys are on what sort of meds? :D
Apparently the meds give them something in between soft and hard.
Are you saying they take the med to bridge the gap between soft and hard? Blue pill? ;)
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Fellow BMW Z4 drivers, if you have a setup, I would be delighted to use it :)
I have a lot of seconds to find, and still having trouble getting it to turn in and still exit with out a very loose rear end!
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Wally: it seems like I can only do 14.5 laps on the practice servers... I do not know if I am doing something wrong, but this is what I get. With refueling not allowed, I could not finish the race.
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Wally: it seems like I can only do 14.5 laps on the practice servers... I do not know if I am doing something wrong, but this is what I get. With refueling not allowed, I could not finish the race.
Did you try a full 15 lap run and see your fuel burn or is that just the estimate given in pits which still is often wrong.
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It is the estimate after a two long stints. Yellow light turned on after 12 laps or so...
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Anyone know... does ptracker use same estimate as AC?
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Anyone know... does ptracker use same estimate as AC?
I dont know I assume it does its own calculations so this would likely make it better as it would be hard to be worse. ;D
Its a good thing to calculate fuel burn and save a setup with race distance fuel, I also ran a few races and so am fairly certain of fuel my burn but grip level and setup will still have an effect.
You will need to take into account track conditions as you burn more fuel on a grippier track being on throttle more. Also if you get damage it will burn more fuel due to a bit more drag so be aware of that.
For me in the 650s fuel burn is very close to 6l per lap but I also use dashmeter pro for my fuel calculations. This has been very accurate but for any software estimated you need to run at least 2 laps to get a reasonable figure. It will need about 90l but I always run a bit more just to be safe at least 1 lap more. This has a fairly big tank of 125l so it can do this distance fairly easily.
Where the ingame pit calculation seems to fail is if you dont do 2 laps then escape back to pits. It never really resets the calculation at times and so it will be no good.
Not sure how big the tank is in the scg003 but best to do a proper 15 lap run at least once to ensure this.
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I have done the test: I am short by a bit less than half a lap. If we do a 14 laps race I should make it...
Phil is on the same car, maybe he can confirm?
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I have done the test: I am short by a bit less than half a lap. If we do a 14 laps race I should make it...
Phil is on the same car, maybe he can confirm?
Hmmm, I didn't check the SCG 003C for fuel. All the other cars can do between 20 and 27 laps at Imola over 30 mins (which is a 17 lap race, on the schedule). Maybe the SCG burns a lot more fuel. If the SCG doesn't have the same fuel capacity as the "normal" GT3 cars, we may have to:
a) drop the SCG, or
b) allow refuelling in the stop.
I'll check as well.
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Wally: it seems like I can only do 14.5 laps on the practice servers... I do not know if I am doing something wrong, but this is what I get. With refueling not allowed, I could not finish the race.
Yes, I can verify this. The SCG chews the fuel, much, much faster than the other GT3 cars. To compensate for this -
the FUEL RATE WILL BE 1.5x for all 30 min races.
This means the SCG can now do 18 laps at Silvertone. The tyre rate remains 2x.
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Nice that Wally has made the new plp show him who is adding fuel as this way we can enforce this no fuel requirement.
Regarding the stop in the 30 minute races I take it there is no pit window? Not that one is really needed as you will want to stop if changing tyres in a way to maximize your performance.
Can PLP also show who changes tyres in the stop this would be interesting to see after the race, I will actually try a couple race runs this afternoon with and without a tyre change to see the difference in time. Seeing tyre stop may be 5 or 6 seconds this may be more then the fresh tyres will gain you. But fresh tyres at the end vs some old rubber could make for an interesting battle at the end of the race. Especially in a car like the mcalren where it doesnt want to be behind anyone at any point as passing in it is quite a challenge. ;D
The few cars I tried some youd kind of need to change tyres but some dont lose quite as much and could get away with either a late stop for tyres or just a stop and go which may end up quicker as long as you dont get held up by others.
The forced stop amd no fueling does add a fun element to the race strategy being able to easily change on the fly and stop when it works best for your current race position.
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Regarding the stop in the 30 minute races I take it there is no pit window? Not that one is really needed as you will want to stop if changing tyres in a way to maximize your performance.
No, there's no pit window. Tyres will determine when you're best of stopping anyway. Any stop would have to be around about the middle of the race for the sake of tyres.
Can PLP also show who changes tyres in the stop...
Not sure. Maybe.
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The practice server is still at 1xtires and 1xfuel I assume?
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The practice server is still at 1xtires and 1xfuel I assume?
From memory, its 1.5x fuel, 2x tyres as per round 1.
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The practice server is still at 1xtires and 1xfuel I assume?
If you check stracker it shows the current fuel rate and tyre rate, I had it at 2x fuel and tyres but Wally adjusted it to 1.5x fuel and still 2x tyres.
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The practice server is still at 1xtires and 1xfuel I assume?
If you check stracker it shows the current fuel rate and tyre rate, I had it at 2x fuel and tyres but Wally adjusted it to 1.5x fuel and still 2x tyres.
That's very useful. I was able to go back and see what the setting was for my long run a couple of nights ago. Also, could see the grip level for all the PBs. Nice.
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Can`t believe Marty has done 221 laps,i am a bit jealous of his spare time and fitness level :o
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Starting to chip away at that server best time in the McLaren Marty :p
Just need 100% grip now to see how the old girl fares ;)
I also put my Lambo setup on Stracker for anyone interested - it will be a handful though to start with.
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Starting to chip away at that server best time in the McLaren Marty :p
Just need 100% grip now to see how the old girl fares ;)
I also put my Lambo setup on Stracker for anyone interested - it will be a handful though to start with.
Good to see your chipping away at it, I had only ran 100% grip at the end of 15 lap races so there may be a bit left in the mclaren but I may need it as qualy will likely be in the 2:04's by a few.
I think the mclaren is fairly vulnerable early but it gets better over a longer run and I really havent spent much time on hotlap pace just did race runs mostly which it does quite well on. That short race last nite at 98% grip I was quite happy running 2:06's til the end.
But also main reason I picked a different car is its unlikely I can beat you in the same one, mine may be better at some tracks and worse at others. But in the same car Id be the same few tenths down everywhere. >:(
Seems my motherboard is dead atm so I am doing a full upgrade and rebuild tomorrow hope to be done in time for the race, as it would suck after picking this car mostly for this track and putting in a few hours of practice to miss the actual race. :'(
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Marty that would suck if you can't make it tomorrow with the effort and testing you have done.
I'm sending u all the positive vibes you'll have it all sorted ;D
I'm really looking forward to racing 30ppl tomorrow!
Will have to bail a JJJ hottest 100 party early to make it...
So worth it :P
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Yea should be great fun no matter the result, being punted out of the race 1 would really be not ideal but not getting a start at all would be worse.
Here are the 2 main gt3 races at silverstone last year. Seems the SVG mclaren kind of got lucky in pit strategy for the easy win in the BES race.
https://youtu.be/yq1ntBtYlkk
Here is the british gt3 championship race at Silverstone. Won by the same team but different drivers as the BES race.
https://youtu.be/_WmM5UtoBSU
Here is the pole lap for the nismo gtr at the BES race, though they do use the old pit complex and so t1 is copse corner I dont think that would have any effect on actual lap time. I dont think the AC gt3 tyres are capable of running this pace even at optimum conditions though so pole will be nearly 4 seconds slower for us especially with the lower temps.
https://youtu.be/iynbeA7ZU8w
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Sounding good Rolz!!
Plus one to your sentiments regarding the a fore mentioned predicament of this so called Marty chap!
Hope it all comes together Marty, nothing like a fresh build to cleanse the soul!!
Halayoula Brother!!
(I slay a goat for you!! Is all I can do!!)
:-X :o :-X
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Wow thanks for sharing that last video Marty!
My race line is way off on some of those corners!
Will have to review and try those lines b4 the race tomoz!!
Epic time for the Nismo... is it because I'm just a wannabe at home that my PB is about 4.5 secs off that time? Or is the track scan different to real life?
So cool to be able to count what gear he's in and where his break points where... really awesome!
Thanks again ;D
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The track itself is very acurate the gt3 tyres in AC are a bit slower now I think which is where the time difference is. Race laps they were still doing 2:02's and considering they either have a full tank with good tyres or low fuel on worn tyres this explains the pace difference between qualy and race on the same tyres mostly due to fuel load for the blancpain race.
Ive attached the comparison between GB and my lap to show how different the mclaren 650 and lambo are. Its quite amazing the laptimes are quite close. But get a track with more straights that lambo will be way out of my reach.
My lap t2 the fast sweeping left I think I got very loose and probably cost a few tenths. Shows the 650 has the cornering edge but the lambo has some proper grunt.
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The way the guy in the Nismo takes the first couple of slow corners certainly isn't the quickest way in AC. I would like to see some other pole laps there to see if they all do that or whether it might have been due to the car/setup/track at the time.
Something more like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5nmfh4boUA
[Bird edited: no youtube tags, mate!]
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It actually looks like Alex made a mistake into that section and missed the apex for the slow right and ended up quite wide then also very narrow into the left.
Here is another driver in the Nismo also talking about his line around the lap.
https://youtu.be/qq7HTxjWpvw
Here is a few laps in the race from 2014
https://youtu.be/mUgnAIJrufU
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Here are the 2 main gt3 races at silverstone last year. Seems the SVG mclaren kind of got lucky in pit strategy for the easy win in the BES race.
Some of that driving would have one banned from the server :o Hopefully AC's contact physics would improve to allow the bumping in the future.
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Here is a few laps in the race from 2014
https://youtu.be/mUgnAIJrufU (https://youtu.be/mUgnAIJrufU)
I love how close the driving is in AC. The line's exactly the same, the gear changes are all the same. He's much smoother than I am though. I have more oversteer corrections - he only has one guick flick of the wheel that I saw. A lot of that probably comes down to having a much heavier throttle pedal in the real car, which allows more gradual application. It's much harder to apply smooth throttle on my light sim pedal, resulting in oversteer.
Good luck with your PC Marty! I hope you can get it sorted, and much more reliable, in time.
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marty, you are the master of the understatement... "...and putting in a few hours of practice..."
Watching the footage, I would love the BMW to have that sort of relaxed turn in, with minimal input, man, I don't expect to be in the low 2s, but it is such hard work get it around turns... I am running out adjustment strategies, been doing a lot of short offline runs, but I still do not have the knack.
I think I am going to be a speed hump, and will always get out of the way, but remember:
I am SLOW, I brake EARLY and I am SLOW!
ps I will exit if it gets to bad.
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marty, you are the master of the understatement... "...and putting in a few hours of practice..."
Watching the footage, I would love the BMW to have that sort of relaxed turn in, with minimal input, man, I don't expect to be in the low 2s, but it is such hard work get it around turns... I am running out adjustment strategies, been doing a lot of short offline runs, but I still do not have the knack.
I think I am going to be a speed hump, and will always get out of the way, but remember:
I am SLOW, I brake EARLY and I am SLOW!
ps I will exit if it gets to bad.
Exiting for any reason other than your house burning down around you is BANNED :)
You are out there to have the mental toughness to complete the race, no matter what happens.
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Wow thanks for sharing that last video Marty!
My race line is way off on some of those corners!
Will have to review and try those lines b4 the race tomoz!!
Epic time for the Nismo... is it because I'm just a wannabe at home that my PB is about 4.5 secs off that time? Or is the track scan different to real life?
So cool to be able to count what gear he's in and where his break points where... really awesome!
Thanks again ;D
Well, gtfo.
My pb is a 6:06 2:06 under optimal conditions.
I don't get how to drive the Nissan fast. It's a user-friendly car at my speed, but I just can't see where's the extra speed lost, especially 6 seconds. I'm doing pretty much the exact same thing he does, except - obviously - much slower. And the t3-4 tight right/left hander I maybe going too wide into the second corner - but I reckon he messed up the entry into the first part, too.
The way the guy in the Nismo takes the first couple of slow corners certainly isn't the quickest way in AC. I would like to see some other pole laps there to see if they all do that or whether it might have been due to the car/setup/track at the time.
Something more like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5nmfh4boUA
I'm with you, that's how it should be taken to get a fast exit (or any kinds, really; if I go in that tight as he did on the orig vid, the car just won't turn in)
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I think I am going to be a speed hump, and will always get out of the way, but remember:
I am SLOW, I brake EARLY and I am SLOW!
ps I will exit if it gets to bad.
Dont worry at all Bruce, look at the large fields in all real gt racing and there is a huge mix of cars and driving pace levels. In the large fields part of the challenge will be dealing with traffic. Sure those getting lapped just shouldnt defend their position but also they shouldnt worry too much about it. The faster car behind still needs to find a safe way past the car infront being lapped just shouldnt unduly delay them.
My favourite onboards are at the Nords 24hr race its pure madness there with the fast cars getting through traffic from lap 1 until the end while mid battle at one of the hardest tracks in the world to pass cars.
This is a lap at Nords showing the sort of madness with slow traffic, yellow flags and course cars on track. All this while the guy is in a big battle with the car ahead needing to be very aware of all the hazards ahead of them.
https://youtu.be/O9CBX9L_jho
I hope people dont get too scared by laptimes of anyone else and just enjoy doing their best during the season. Racing in larger fields if all are at least trying their best to not cause too much delay to cars lapping it will be great. With so many cars everyone will have someone to battle with and the races should be far from boring.
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Well said Marty.
Bird, the Nissan is clearly much slipperier in AC, maybe cos the tyres aren't hot. I immediately feel so slippery in AC after watching that vid, where his car is nearly always dead straight and predictable. And teammate, I hope your PB is better than 6:06 ;)
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That was very entertaining to watch!
It also must be rather scary in the slower cars; you're a sitting duck, nothing else...
There must be a rule, though that fast cars have the racing line most of the time; look at especially the very last few seconds; he comes up on a bunch of slow cars being overtaken it seems by a medium-speed one; he does not overtake between those cars, but goes off to the right while the mid-speed one drifts off the line.
Very interesting.
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Well said Marty.
Bird, the Nissan is clearly much slipperier in AC, maybe cos the tyres aren't hot. I immediately feel so slippery in AC after watching that vid, where his car is nearly always dead straight and predictable. And teammate, I hope your PB is better than 6:06 ;)
Hehe. 2:06, that is. But that was, as I said, in perfect conditions in offline praccy. Altho it was also fairly early...well, I dunno, but even the world record is in the 03's (http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&track=16&car=1205&rank_type=all&tyre_type=all&controller_type=all&community=all&friends=all) which probably indicates some pace loss, too.
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That was very entertaining to watch!
It also must be rather scary in the slower cars; you're a sitting duck, nothing else...
There must be a rule, though that fast cars have the racing line most of the time; look at especially the very last few seconds; he comes up on a bunch of slow cars being overtaken it seems by a medium-speed one; he does not overtake between those cars, but goes off to the right while the mid-speed one drifts off the line.
Very interesting.
The one key thing with this race in particular is getting a license to race in it is very strict and anyone driving badly will lose their license and be asked to leave during the race. I think Shane van gisbergan hasnt raced there yet because he hasnt ran enough vln races to qualify for the 24hr license but I think he will race this year.
Last year I think 2 guys lost their license for not obeying yellow flags and speeding in a slow zone. They got ordered into pit and had their licenses revoked on the spot. The cars were allowed to continue on if they had enough licensed drivers to complete the race.
Its such a dangerous place and with a grid of 150 cars reduced a little now I think to about 120. The pace of drivers is not a question but obeying flags and being aware in traffic is strictly monitored.
Can you imagine that at 3am in rain and fog. ??? This was just before they stopped the race one year due to very dangerous conditions.
https://youtu.be/WAvN0EzEacU
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GREAT NEWS GUYS!!!!!!!
ITS BEING RAINING HEAVY FOR THE PAST 5 MINUTES!!!!!!!!!!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :) :) :) :) :) :) you dont know how happy i am,,,yes.....i have suffered a lot with the irrigation this year
Such a relief....focking farming!!!
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Wow, two things from that Nords video:
1) That is fcking crazy. It seems completely unsafe. The passes they are making on those slower cars I wouldn't even be game to make in AC!
2) It seems so much incredibly faster than AC. No doubt somewhat related to the FOV and being able to see out the side window as well, but for some reason AC just seems so slow when you are going quick. I gave my brother a crack at AC a few months back - he does some driver training for Porsche and Audi and has raced all sorts of cars. He also couldn't believe how slow AC felt to the point where he couldn't control the car - he said the car behaviour felt realistic but it was all completely unrealistic because of the lack of sensation of speed. Knowing what pace to enter corners, where to brake and how much the tyres could handle was completely un-intuitive for him, not to mention any sort of trepidation just because everything looked so slow.
It could also be my setup though - single 27 inch monitor @ 37 FOV.
I think part of the reason AC looks so slow is because everything is so smooth. If you look at this vid there is a lot of head bobble and a rougher ride compared to AC:
[youtube]2NjLpfaUwXY[/youtube]
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And don't forget the lack of "seat of your pants” feel. The g forces pressing you into your seat and then pushing you forward into your belts must contribute to the sensation of speed.
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I tried to pit during the race on the server without making changes,but the game it wont let me go,as soon as click to add fuel or changing tyres the confirm tick is working,,,,is it normal?
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I tried to pit during the race on the server without making changes,but the game it wont let me go,as soon as click to add fuel or changing tyres the confirm tick is working,,,,is it normal?
Have you got the pit config app running also, if you do best to make the changes in that even if its not visible on screen but enabled in options. I havent tested what happens if you have that set as no changes but then try to manually adjust the stop within the normal pit window but this could be your issue.
If you dont intend to run the pit app in the race and want to do the stops manually best to disable the app in the launcher so it doesnt interfere.
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If you have no changes set in Pitconfig, the option screen appears when you pit.
You can just drive off though. ;)
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If you have no changes set in Pitconfig, the option screen appears when you pit.
You can just drive off though. ;)
That's right. That confused me as well. With no changes, you don't have to do anything. You just drive off again.
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yes i had the PCS running ....ok thx guys all good!!!
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But......what time the pits are open?
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But......what time the pits are open?
No pit window. You can do your CPS whenever you want.
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GREAT NEWS GUYS!!!!!!!
ITS BEING RAINING HEAVY FOR THE PAST 5 MINUTES!!!!!!!!!!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :) :) :) :) :) :) you dont know how happy i am,,,yes.....i have suffered a lot with the irrigation this year
Such a relief....focking farming!!!
great news for your crops! Pleased to hear, (and as i a am a vega-aquarian) :)
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But......what time the pits are open?
No pit window. You can do your CPS whenever you want.
hehehee i meant whats the race schedule :-[
yes Bruce thx huge relief as i got almost 2000 fruit trees.I got the irrigation but you cant beat the rain it was very,very dry
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But......what time the pits are open?
No pit window. You can do your CPS whenever you want.
I think in the season info it says between laps 6 and something, or is this only for the long races?
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But......what time the pits are open?
No pit window. You can do your CPS whenever you want.
hehehee i meant whats the race schedule :-[
yes Bruce thx huge relief as i got almost 2000 fruit trees.I got the irrigation but you cant beat the rain it was very,very dry
I was waiting for you to say you you had 1000 heads of cattle or something.
I saw this the other week when in South Australia having breakfast.
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I mean........................................
................................what time does the practice start?
>:(
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Wow, two things from that Nords video:
1) That is fcking crazy. It seems completely unsafe. The passes they are making on those slower cars I wouldn't even be game to make in AC!
2) It seems so much incredibly faster than AC. No doubt somewhat related to the FOV and being able to see out the side window as well, but for some reason AC just seems so slow when you are going quick. I gave my brother a crack at AC a few months back - he does some driver training for Porsche and Audi and has raced all sorts of cars. He also couldn't believe how slow AC felt to the point where he couldn't control the car - he said the car behaviour felt realistic but it was all completely unrealistic because of the lack of sensation of speed. Knowing what pace to enter corners, where to brake and how much the tyres could handle was completely un-intuitive for him, not to mention any sort of trepidation just because everything looked so slow.
It could also be my setup though - single 27 inch monitor @ 37 FOV.
I think part of the reason AC looks so slow is because everything is so smooth. If you look at this vid there is a lot of head bobble and a rougher ride compared to AC:
[youtube]2NjLpfaUwXY[/youtube]
Funny you mentioned this, I forgot its a public holiday and shops would be closed so I couldnt get the PC parts I need to fix my main PC. I ended up getting the back up PC which has had a recent upgrade anyway but a pretty basic mobo and I couldn't fit a titan in it as the water cooling setup was touch the RAM on the motherboard. (what a stupid place to put it lol) anyway I could manage to stick an old gtx 480 in there but couldnt run 3 screens as it doesnt have 3 outputs and it barely can run 1 screen at 1080 I tried 1440 and it failed fps wise fairly bad.
I then tried running a few laps and could barely drive due to the limited visibility more then anything but im sure the FOV had quite an effect on this too. So instead of having to deal with this I ripped off the water cooling setup on the GPU and went back to the stock air cooler that doesnt have the extra cooling on the back of the GPU and now it fits.
Credit to you for running a single screen as well as you do, but once your used to triples going back to a single 28 inch I really was going to struggle. This is a pretty big part of both the immersion and driving ability/visibility in tight corners. Single screen with my FOV setup which would have been similar to yours I couldnt see the apexes of most the tight turns and racing in traffic id find that pretty brutal. Also Most of the apps I run on screen I run on the other screens so they arent in view pus at higher res they dont fill the screen as much.
Id highly suggest triples or maybe VR once that comes in but still not sure about the actual fov though you can quite easily turn your head to see more plus with it in 3d it will give proper depth perception. Lets hope the alternatives to the rift bring a bit more to the table as I cant see me ever buying the facebook product.
I really couldnt see myself racing on a single screen again after that little experiment but I guess if someone is already used to it its ok, going from triples to single is quite a shock.
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But......what time the pits are open?
No pit window. You can do your CPS whenever you want.
hehehee i meant whats the race schedule :-[
yes Bruce thx huge relief as i got almost 2000 fruit trees.I got the irrigation but you cant beat the rain it was very,very dry
Starting up the server now.... qually is at 8:30pm Eastern DST.
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But......what time the pits are open?
No pit window. You can do your CPS whenever you want.
I think in the season info it says between laps 6 and something, or is this only for the long races?
That's only for the hour long race with 2 pit stops.
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Funny you mentioned this, I forgot its a public holiday and shops would be closed so I couldnt get the PC parts I need to fix my main PC. I ended up getting the back up PC which has had a recent upgrade anyway but a pretty basic mobo and I couldn't fit a titan in it as the water cooling setup was touch the RAM on the motherboard. (what a stupid place to put it lol) anyway I could manage to stick an old gtx 480 in there but couldnt run 3 screens as it doesnt have 3 outputs and it barely can run 1 screen at 1080 I tried 1440 and it failed fps wise fairly bad.
I then tried running a few laps and could barely drive due to the limited visibility more then anything but im sure the FOV had quite an effect on this too. So instead of having to deal with this I ripped off the water cooling setup on the GPU and went back to the stock air cooler that doesnt have the extra cooling on the back of the GPU and now it fits.
Credit to you for running a single screen as well as you do, but once your used to triples going back to a single 28 inch I really was going to struggle. This is a pretty big part of both the immersion and driving ability/visibility in tight corners. Single screen with my FOV setup which would have been similar to yours I couldnt see the apexes of most the tight turns and racing in traffic id find that pretty brutal. Also Most of the apps I run on screen I run on the other screens so they arent in view pus at higher res they dont fill the screen as much.
Id highly suggest triples or maybe VR once that comes in but still not sure about the actual fov though you can quite easily turn your head to see more plus with it in 3d it will give proper depth perception. Lets hope the alternatives to the rift bring a bit more to the table as I cant see me ever buying the facebook product.
I really couldnt see myself racing on a single screen again after that little experiment but I guess if someone is already used to it its ok, going from triples to single is quite a shock.
Yeah, most hairpins and more acute corners have blind apex's until I'm on top of them. The second slow corner in Silverstone is difficult as you can't see the corner at all until you are pretty much through it due to the wide, late entry. But, I guess it's good in one way as it teaches you to learn to use markings in the road and track side to brake, turn-in, etc.
I've noticed some "ultra-wide" monitors come to the market lately. If VR isn't all it's meant to be, then I'd consider getting one of those once the new generation of GPU's hit and are accessible.
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That was fun.
Sorry I had to leave after race one. I stupidly busted my AC joint up (playing football 6 months ago) and the driving position I have irritates it.
It was a pleasure to be back racing though....thanks all
Darren
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My 40" seems enough-ish, Guy. But I wouldn't mind a 42" which is the same height just wider a tad. Maybe later. :)
I had a ball, even tho both races I've stuffed it up somewhat; run into someone on the straight (I though it was you Guybrush) in the first one, had to wait nearly the whole field to pass until I could sneak in. Edit; seems Paul clipped a curb while Matthew was on the outside, both done a pirouette right in front of me. :)
Then in the second I've tried very hard early on and nearly run into Wally's ass, and when I came back and tried to overtake on the next lap or so, coming onto the straight I've jerked the wheel too hard to the right and put the front into the wall. Interestingly the car kept going perfectly well.
Tough beasts these Nissans :D
Thanks for the fun, Gents, and sorry for the few stupid moves.
The view you don't want to see (race 1) :D
(http://i.imgur.com/ecf4Zfi.jpg?1)
And from the outside:
(http://i.imgur.com/P9y0AHB.png)
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I am addicted to Wally's graphs... can't go to bed until I see them ;)
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I am addicted to Wally's graphs... can't go to bed until I see them ;)
They're up :)
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thank you! now I can sleep :)
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Was some fun racing, my car had pretty good lap pace all nite'race 1 qualy I put in a real good lap but Stan just pipped me by a tiny margin. The race the mcalren doesnt like the standing start much and so I lost a bit of ground off the line then chased Stan who drove very well and he just pulled a gap with me closing it back a little as I tried to posh a bit more later in the first stint. Guybrush did a great job undercutting me in race 1 putting in some quick laps before and after his earlier pit stop and nearly got Stan too as we played a little game of chicken to see who pits first.
I saw GB's laptimes as I was following Stan and saw it was going to be real close as we come out of the pits. I went a few laps longer then stan having already realised I was behind both GB and Stan if I stopped at the same time as Stan and hoped fresher tyres at the end I may be able to do something against them. Was a great finish with only just over 1 second between the 3 of us with Stan driving very well all race to hold back team Achilles Heal.
Here are some pics from race 1, no contact around us so not as much action as Birds shots.
Start of the race.
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/6b12/b4c6igooxym2pyi4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/b4c6igooxym2pyi/Screenshot_ks_mclaren_650_gt3_silverstone_26-1-116-23-12-6.jpg)
Last Turn with Stan in the lead and GB just ahead of me as we just caught Bruce at the end.
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/bd33/jc8bkba7kk70rub4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/jc8bkba7kk70rub/Screenshot_ks_mclaren_650_gt3_silverstone_26-1-116-23-13-57.jpg)
At the line Stan gets the W.
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/6900/35u9xy77xrw4ew14g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/35u9xy77xrw4ew1/Screenshot_ks_mclaren_650_gt3_silverstone_26-1-116-23-18-47.jpg)
Race 2 I put in an ok qualy lap after getting stuck in traffic on my first flyer I had to abandong, I then waited for some track space late and got in a fairly clean lap to get on pole. Again I got smashed off the line by GB this time and Freezer was also putting some presher on me. I hung on to GB early then he put the hammer down and put in some laps I couldnt match. He pulled around a 3 second gap coming into the pits. I hoped to maybe try something different as pitting at the same time I was unlikely to beat him, I intended to go a little longer and not get tyres but his pace was too good and after a couple laps I was already going to be behind even if I stopped without tyres. I stayed out longer hoping his pace may drop off but it didnt and mine fell away a bit. I then saw Freezer was very close on my pitstop time but tried to stay out til the 2nd last lap. Had I lost too much ground I would have gone no tyres to maintain track position to stay second but hoped to have enough time to change to softs and go for the fastest lap on the last lap. I had 26 seconds to Freezer and thought a stop was around 24 so changed tyres and popped out just ahead of him.
With the unscrubbed softs they were a bit sketchy early but luckily I stayed ahead then as the tyres scrubbed a little I just tried to get in a clean final lap to grab the fastest lap bonus which I managed with a 2:04.5.
Good fun and lots of guys had some proper pace, shame Paul had some internet issues and not sure what happened to Stan in race 2 as he was flying in race 1.
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Tough and really enjoyable racing.
Was chuffed with my race 2 strategy. In effort not to cause any accidents in the first lap I had to run off track, ending up at the back of the pack :( Passed a couple of drivers but knew any overtake was extremely risky as all the other cars appeared to be quicker in corners. So went with the undercut which worked to perfection :D
now to start working on plans on how to steal Wally's Nissan setup.
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I had to abandong,
Isn't that something reserved for female gyms and lesbians?
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Very good racing night and one bad mistake:
race 1: I go into quali with some hope for a decent position, but I was sincerely surprised to see myself 3rd. I guess some of the fast ones did not have time to practice enough during the week. At the start, I manage to keep my position (with even a bit of a look at Marty's spot ahead) and I try to calm down. Problem: I calm down too much, with the result that I get a bit distracted and I screw up badly at maggots and drift into the wall. I managed to get back in a gap between Wally and Mael in 8th, but I am damaged and lapping in the 2:10s, with Mael trying to pass me. I decide to pit early (5th lap) and repair the damages. I am now much faster, but in 19th position. After a few passes and the main round of pit stops, I am just Behind Mael, in 10th position, a few laps to the end. He's much faster in the straights, but I can get very close through Abbey, but my first attempt at passing ends up in contact. I redress. Two laps to the end I manage a more precise attack at T3 to end 9th.
race 2: I only manage one decent lap in quali for an ok 6th position. Start is not bad and I am 5th behind Rolz and ahead of Phil. This time I decide to take the first 3 or so laps slowly, but I can't get too relaxed because Phil behind me is of a different opinion. He also has a good run towards Vale, but I manage to keep the inside line to Copse and then start to get a bit of a gap. I do not want to engage an early duel with teammate Rolz, so I try to keep myself at around 2 seconds, but then I see Stan arriving behind me at a faster pace than ours. I think of trying an undercut, but both Rolz and Stan pit at the lap I was planning, so my only chance is to pit later, do the fastest lap I can, and hope they find some traffic after their stop. I do not know if they did find traffic, but I manage my best lap of the night and go to pit. When I get out of the pit lane, Rolz's white car is just behind me! At this point I just have to keep the concentration and bring the 4th place at home. In this I am helped by Rolz and Stan starting to fight behind me, with Stan managing a last lap overtake at Stowe... We often comment that a race is not fun without many overtakes and with only pit stops and pace duels. I have to say: from the driver point of view, it is still a very very enjoyable experience!
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I stuffed up qual 1 a bit by thinking I didn't have enough time for an outlap and a hotlap on Softs at the end of the session, forgetting that I would have been able to finish my hotlap after the flag fell. I possibly would have got a spot in the top 10, so forfeited a handful of points.
Race 1 turned into a ”Chase Phil, defend Jeremy” scenario. Jeremy kept huge pressure on me, helped by the ominous growl of his Merc letting me know he was close. We banged panels a bit on the last lap, but he couldn't make a pass stick.
Race 2 started exciting, in a close pack between Bird and Stan. Bird, I was trying not to drill the back of Stan - that's why I was braking a bit earlier surprising you. After my stop, it was a pretty lonely affair.
From an admin point of view, sorry about the grid for race 2 not working properly (especially Jeremy who didn't re-qualify), but I've got that fixed.
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I enjoyed the single race, 1, sorry all I was absolutely knackered! BUT very happy with my challenge to race with "the big boys" and in the GT3s, an exciting race.
Picked up some great places in the first laps due to others' mishaps and realised that it was only temporary. I hope I got out of the way in a timely fashion for the faster cars as they came up on me.
Well Rob and battled it out, putting in consistent laps for the most part, and swapping places on individual mistakes rather than out driving each other, close match! Well my pit strategy saw Rob exit well ahead of me, in hindsight, with my driving I may have made it on one set of mediums??? With Rob's last mistake, i noted I was gaining on DaveO and surprise in the stats a "2:12:792" on the last lap!
Thanks all, great night.
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PS: I didn't get lapped! 8)
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I had to abandong,
Isn't that something reserved for female gyms and lesbians?
I dont know but seeing your a lesbian I will just take your word for it. ;D
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Great online competition last night!! FANTASTIC!! Less fantastic my performance on the track,never been fast enough and out of pace,,,completely. I got a lot of work to do with that BMW
I was a bit overloaded with expectations assuming that i had a decent sort of speed but it was`n the case and i had to change strategy during race 1 and opting not to change tyres at all,and even this choice did not help much except in race 2 where i managed to beat bafs,,,but just.
During practice i scored a 7.5 which is a semi decent time but then in qual and in race due probably to track temp and weather changes i was very slow.I have to say though the field is strong and very competitive and i am happy about it no questions.One positive side is that i fought hard,i was respectful of other drivers(like everybody) and i did not put too many wheels in the wrong...soooooo as i said i have a lot of work to do because my aim is to get in the final 10.
ps: Beating WALLY and BIRD is a priority................................................................................. 8) 8) 8) 8) >:( >:( >:( :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
THX GUYS!!!!!
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Well after qualifying 11th and getting away cleanly I got punted twice in the first two laps. Once Bacchulum (I think) overshot the brake marker and slid through the corner collecting me on the way. And then one of the mercs tapped me in the rear sending me around half a lap later.
Now in 24th (slightly unhappy, but motivated) I had a great run coming back through the field to get back to 11th.
R2: Thanks to the extra qualifying I grabbed 3rd. Clean start and was benind GB & Marty. I pushed along but they had a littlle bit more a managed to inch ahead as the laps unfolded. Kept it clean all race without much action, tucking in behind Marty as he exited from a late pit and ran my fastest lap but not enough to pressure him. Home for 3rd.
Pretty happy with the BMW as its pretty agile through the corners, allowing for some good challenges.
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Pit strategy is interesting, race 1 had I stopped the same lap as GB I think we both would have jumped stan if he stayed out to the same lap. I just didnt want to risk pitting earlier and getting stuck behind someone going long so went the safer option but hoped my fresher rubber at the end wpuld have some pace to battle GB and Stan. They were too quick and I only hust caught them half way through the last lap.
Race 2 I planned to undercut GB with an earlier stop but he was flying and from lap 5 he was pulling a second per lap on me and by lap 6 or 7 where I planned to stop the gap was too bug for me to undercut him. I decided to try no tyres and just stop as late as possible but seeing the gap this was done too and by lap 8 had I stopped for no tyres I would still have been behind him on much slower tyres.
At that point I was just watching the gap to freezer and was either going to do no tyres if he was inside my stop time or go for a quick dash on softs if I had enough time to change tyres which I just did.
Net result though my race vs gb was already done stopping with 2 to go and getting softs was probably the same as stopping there for no tyres. I was doing 2:07.5 just before the stop and did 2:04.5 last lap. So tyres take about 6 seconds and pace on soft tyres were about 3 seconds per lap quicker and maybe even more on the outlap for a similar net result.
Stopping mid race net speed would probably be quicker gaining 1 second or more per lap from half distance over the worn tyres so this makes up for the 6 second tyre stop. A no stop would still have been faster though not allowed lol.
Good fun and I really didnt make many mistakes with just a couple errors running wide at copse race 2. But race 2 hanging on to GB early my rear got rather loose and so I had to back off a little as I simply couldnt match that speed.
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Great piccys Marty! (is that a star filter! looks purdy!!)
Rolz and I posted here!!
http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=1310.msg22910;topicseen#new
with stuff like this!!:
I agree Rolz, great first race of the season, excellent driving standards from what I saw.
I done gots a winned I did!!!
Race 1, sitting behind Marty for the last minute soft tyre dash in qually, managed to get pole by a tiny bee's penus, awesome fun.
Got a great start and ended up with Marty catching me and GB a little ways back in 3rd. After the pits, Marty got gazumped and so I ended up with GB on my bumper... he got level with me a few times but I was lucky enough to hold him off and I gots a winned!!! Very happy wid dat!!
Race 2, stuffed up qually (decided to come in for some softs but way too late in the session) so started 8th I think. Settled in and had some schweet racing with Phil and Wally (very tight!!). Then at the end I managed to steal 5th spot off Rolz :D
Excelllent start to the season!! Love the GT3's!!!
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Qual: For some reason I just couldn't get the pace in qual. I figure it was the drop in temps and also my setup being configured around race instead of single lap performance. Anyway, put a reasonable lap together and qualfied 8th I think, which wasn't so bad as I was looking forward to a few battles.
Race 1: Got a nice start thanks to the Lambo's grunt and low camber and got past 1 or 2 before the first corner, then it was side by side with Paul and a couple of others for the rest of the first lap. I think Paul may have inadvertently clipped the sausage kerb on the last corner which sent him into the other car that was pressuring me. It was great racing up until then. I put caught Rolz (I think) and managed to pass him after a couple of laps of trying to find a gap. Then I put the hammer down to see what I could do to catch Stan and Marty. I could see I was getting closer, got to around 4 or 5 seconds behind and could see they didn't pit, so made my move and put on some fresh boots. I came out on fresh tyres and was very surprised to see them both still not pitting for another couple of laps or so which gave me enough time to belt out some quicker laps and get the undercut on Marty, with Stan coming out just metres in front of me. From then on, for the last 4 or so laps it was The Great Goat vs. The GB. We sliced and diced, and bumped and grinded all the way to the flag. It was a great battle, but despite heaping on the pressure I just couldn't find a way past Stanley and came home second with Marty bearing down on us both. A great race - one of the most enjoyable and eventful I've had.
Race 2. Qualified second and got Marty at the start in his Flinstones mobile. I thought it a good opportunity to put in some quick laps with no one in front of me and managed some pretty decent times, including a PB. It was all pretty straight forward, but as far as pace and consistency goes this was one of my best races to date. Isn't it funny that you (me) almost always find the quickest way around a track when you are racing on it and driving lap after lap trying little different things, as opposed to just a couple of consecutive hotlaps in practice.
All in all a very enjoyable night. I wonder whether we could look at skipping the 15 min practice session between races, and to end the first practice session as soon as the flag drops as opposed to waiting for people to finish their laps? The only reason I ask is that it starts to get a bit late in the night otherwise.
Also, I think there were only 24 people on track. Did we have 8 apologies? A bit dissapointing that quite a few didn't turn up, but for good reasons no doubt. I would have loved to have seen 32 cars lapping around.
And a mention to newcomer Paul who had great pace and was racing very well, but was unfortunate in both races - espeically Race 2 with the internet drop out. Nothing more frustrating. Anyway, I'm sure you'll be up and about over the rest of the season putting pressure on us all.
There were also some great results from others with Rolz, Phil, Freezer and Grat getting some good finishes in. Well done guys.
Cheers.
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Yes 24 starters of 32 was a bit dissapointing and I am trying to see if a few more may want to join from the regulars on my servers. But the last few seasons with 24 booked I dont think we got 24 starters very often if at all. Id hope to see more then 24 runners each round as otherwise there is little point in running the extra grid variants beyond allowing for the no shows that dont advise of this before the race nite.
Good idea bout skipping the first prac session as soon as time runs out, will just need wally to skip to next session as soon as time is out. For race 2 we dont need 15 min but 5 or say 7 minutes should get enough time for all to join and people to run a couple laps to judge fuel burn and tyre pressures seeing it will be different between race 1 and 2 temp wise.
The qualy could actually be 13 minutes too which would end up around 15 minutes total allowing for the people to finish their lap rather then 15 min plus 2. Really the early part of qualy isnt very important as track grip keeps building its pretty much last across the line gets the most grips. ;D
So you just need to wait for a gap in traffic and leave enough time for your outlap to make the line before the flag drops.
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I'll look at shortening some sessions a bit. Will post more tonight.
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Last night's racing was pretty exhilarating! The GT3s, especially the BMW Z4, are so easy to drive and yet challenging to get a good lap time that it frees you up to concentrate on the racing. I was way better at lasting the 2 races than last season where I rarely got past lap 1. Really enjoyed some close racing in the mid field and the different pit strategies really made it interesting where I was overtaken by some cars only to overtake them later when I was on fresh tires and ( I think ) they were on worn tires.
The highlight of my evening was, of course, overtaking Simone after he had been pushed out of the way by overtaking cars - not once but TWICE!
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Quote of the night:
Simone: ~ "I qualified 15th. The BMW is slow compared to the other cars"
Wally: "Freezer qualified 3rd [in the BMW]"
Simone: "F#ck Freezer"
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Penalty to me Wally for taking out Freezer, lap 1 @ Club. :-[
Sorry Freezer, I lost my brake marker up behind a Merc.
Then I lost all interweb for the rest of the night. :(
At least I didn't hit anyone else. :-[
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Penalty to me Wally for taking out Freezer, lap 1 @ Club. :-[
Sorry Freezer, I lost my brake marker up behind a Merc.
Then I lost all interweb for the rest of the night. :(
At least I didn't hit anyone else. :-[
No problem Bacchulum, it happens....
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Quote of the night:
Simone: ~ "I qualified 15th. The BMW is slow compared to the other cars"
Wally: "Freezer qualified 3rd [in the BMW]"
Simone: "F#ck Freezer"
Funny!!
:P ;D :P
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Quote of the night:
Simone: ~ "I qualified 15th. The BMW is slow compared to the other cars"
Wally: "Freezer qualified 3rd [in the BMW]"
Simone: "F#ck Freezer"
Funny!!
:P ;D :P
And here is me thinking the mclaren was the slowest in the field almost grabbing 2 poles if it wasnt for that darn green and gold goat lover. :)
At least I pretty much confirmed its the slowest off the line and didnt pass a single car in any session, I hit a couple in practice which was as close as I got.