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Title: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Rolz on April 05, 2016, 09:46:44 PM
Sorry all - had a shocker.

I'm a menace in the car...  :-[

Will be back next season... I'm out.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: grat on April 05, 2016, 10:30:23 PM
Nah, you were no menace.

As for me: great first race battling with Phil.

RACE 2: I got hit by a yellow car who had been hit by a black one and... well, I was last. Tried to regain positions, but got involved in the Bird-Stan mayhem.

RACE 3: I had a great first two laps getting into 2nd position, but then another black car tried to pass... well, in my opinion, there was no way to pass there (you know, the last left corner in the esses). As a result, again I was last and had to try a big recovery.

Sad, because I had a really good pace and was hoping in at least one great result in Race 3. This time I feel it was not my fault (although it was my fault a hit towards the end of race 3. I apologize again: sorry). Well, will be for next week ;)
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: JamieP on April 05, 2016, 10:33:20 PM
Had a mixed night. Got the setup and the balance of the car OK but had 3 spiking pedal potentiometers and just would not accelerate at random times. Tried to keep out the way the best I could but drifted across to far in race 3 and got tagged resulting in a pretty big pile up. Happy to take whatever penalty is due. Haven't used the sim for about 6 months so have a few bugs to iron out starting with a few potentiometers and getting the microphone working on the web cam. Should be sorted for next week but if not, a reserve can race or start me from rear of grid each race.

Sorry for race 3 but it was good to be racing again
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Bird on April 05, 2016, 10:35:04 PM
Don't leave, Rolz, the more the merrier!  Chit happens, and it's great fun this reverse grid. But it means a lot more action.

My first race was a bit boring, but the others...fantastic. I was starting effectively last in both the second and the third race after those wrecks.
I think this season will be a lot of fun.  We just need to look left and right a lot, and use helicorsa to the max.  ;)

Oh, btw, here's replay of the third race (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24242159/ac/ks_toyota_gt86%40barbagallo_20160405221357.rar), Marty.

Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: marty on April 05, 2016, 10:41:01 PM
Don't leave, Rolz, the more the merrier!  Chit happens, and it's great fun this reverse grid. But it means a lot more action.

My first race was a bit boring, but the others...fantastic. I was starting effectively last in both the second and the third race after those wrecks.
I think this season will be a lot of fun.  We just need to look left and right a lot, and use helicorsa to the max.  ;)

Oh, btw, here's replay of the third race (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24242159/ac/ks_toyota_gt86%40barbagallo_20160405221357.rar), Marty.

Thanks Bird, also Rolz dont leave it happens and your not being a menace on purpose for sure. Ive reaced you plenty of times and youve always been solid and fair so maybe just a poor nite though I didnt see you on track.

Race 1 as expected was quite boring.

Race 2 was fun from the back of the pack but I let GB past again which wasnt part of the pre arranged multi 21 strategy.

Race 3 was a weird one the early crash was pure carnage and I tried my best to avoid it but ended up hit from all sides and fairly trashed my car. Then I had 2 points where my car vanished to all but I could still see everyone, I was wondering wtf Matthew was doing as he was driving as if I wasnt there but clearly thats what he saw lol.

I will take a look at Mine and Birds replay and see how weird that was.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Wally on April 05, 2016, 11:15:27 PM
RACE RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2016/04/s11r1-toyota-gt86-at-barbagallo_5.html)

Penalties
Race 1 - nothing.Race 3, lap 1: JamieP (75kg) moved across from his side of the track, cutting off Phil.8 and causing an accident.
Lap 4: Doobs (75kg) ran into the side of Grat.

There were several other incidents in race 3, but they were all side-by-side, unsighted impacts without obvious carelessness.

(I haven't seen the race 2 replay yet).

Round Points
Guybrush Threepwood    72
Marty    64
Phil.8    62
Matthew111    61
Jeremy    57
Grat    51
Bird    49
Ben    47
Bacchulum    44
Freezer    44
StanDaam    44
Mael    43
AJ    34
Bafs17    34
Dave O    34
hylas    34
Chap111    27
Rob    23
Doobs    22
Rolz    17
slideways    16
JamieP    8
Wally    7
Gratulin    5

Congratulations to Guybrush, Jeremy and Phil.8 for the race wins, and Guybrush for the round 1.

Season podium
1. Guybrush, 72
2. Marty, 64
3. Phil.8, 62
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: grat on April 05, 2016, 11:24:52 PM
Hi Wally: can you explain how the reverse grid for race 3 works? I see Phil arrived 8th in Race 2 and started 8th in race 3, while Gb arrived 2nd in Race 2 and started 21st in race 3...
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Wally on April 06, 2016, 12:02:11 AM
Hi Wally: can you explain how the reverse grid for race 3 works? I see Phil arrived 8th in Race 2 and started 8th in race 3, while Gb arrived 2nd in Race 2 and started 21st in race 3...

It's a little hard to see here, because in the results, I took out the spurious jump start penalties, but when the grids were set, there were a bunch of jump start penalties that pushed some people down the order when they got 20 second penalties. Once I get rid of those junk jump starts, it should be clearer.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: marty on April 06, 2016, 12:27:32 AM
Here is a short video showing my pop in and out race 3 along with contact from matthew when he clearly didnt see me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qtYjsmIDBM
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on April 06, 2016, 06:08:22 AM
The most disappointing thing is that Rob has pipped me for most contacts. I was sure I was going to win that award.  That'll teach me for having a clean first race.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: grat on April 06, 2016, 07:39:23 AM
Hi Wally: can you explain how the reverse grid for race 3 works? I see Phil arrived 8th in Race 2 and started 8th in race 3, while Gb arrived 2nd in Race 2 and started 21st in race 3...

It's a little hard to see here, because in the results, I took out the spurious jump start penalties, but when the grids were set, there were a bunch of jump start penalties that pushed some people down the order when they got 20 second penalties. Once I get rid of those junk jump starts, it should be clearer.
I am not sure... I mean: I know I arrived after Phil in Race 2. But I also know I started behind Phil in Race 3. I mean: I saw this live with my own eyes, not from the results ;)

No polemics here, of course. I am loving the new format. I am just wondering whether we are doing something wrong.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Bird on April 06, 2016, 07:41:10 AM
Marty, it looks really funky - but I'm not sure I'd call it a bug.  Especially coupled with the fact that you dropped out of TS as well, and could not speak - it fairly clearly indicates a network problem IMO.  A one-sided one as we talked about it.   

I'd give a big thumbs up to AC to handle it this well.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Bird on April 06, 2016, 07:43:53 AM
Hi Wally: can you explain how the reverse grid for race 3 works? I see Phil arrived 8th in Race 2 and started 8th in race 3, while Gb arrived 2nd in Race 2 and started 21st in race 3...

It's a little hard to see here, because in the results, I took out the spurious jump start penalties, but when the grids were set, there were a bunch of jump start penalties that pushed some people down the order when they got 20 second penalties. Once I get rid of those junk jump starts, it should be clearer.
I am not sure... I mean: I know I arrived after Phil in Race 2. But I also know I started behind Phil in Race 3. I mean: I saw this live with my own eyes, not from the results ;)

No polemics here, of course. I am loving the new format. I am just wondering whether we are doing something wrong.


Yes, but his finishing position was skewed in race2 by 20s penalty.  So the program thought he actually finished *after* you (with the added 20s penalty).  Hence his starting in front of you in the 3rd race.

p.s. sorry, I've edited your msg instead of reply, first.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Wally on April 06, 2016, 07:44:01 AM
A very disappointing night for me, with my brakes coming on randomly. They weren't just flickering a bit, they were coming on hard enough to slow me on full throttle. I qualified poorly and was surprised to finish 2nd last in race 1. I thought I was faster than that! That's why DaveO hit me at turn 1, surprised by my early braking.

In race 2, I felt it again, and Bacchulum said he could see my brake lights flickering. I garaged the car after only a couple of laps, and the boys tried to recalibrate the pedal. It looked and felt like it was going to be OK, but early in race 3, I realised it was still happening, so I returned to the garage. I used DXTweak to calibrate the axis in Windows, and it looks and feels smooth and OK, but I'm going to have to make sure of it.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Wally on April 06, 2016, 07:48:44 AM
That video does look weird. Like Bird said, it must have been a problem in upload and not download. You were probably still receiving updates from the server, continuing to race locally, but not sending anything back to the server, and hence disappearing momentarily. I was watching you from the pits, and you did the whole ”up in the sky, then teleport back to the pits” thing before reappearing on track.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Wally on April 06, 2016, 07:50:24 AM
Sorry all - had a shocker.

I'm a menace in the car...  :-[

Will be back next season... I'm out.
Give it another go Rolz. It's  tight pack racing, in a fairly slow car where impacts don't do much damage. It's immense fun. Barbagallo is one of the shorter, more congested tracks in the season.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: grat on April 06, 2016, 07:59:07 AM
Hi Wally: can you explain how the reverse grid for race 3 works? I see Phil arrived 8th in Race 2 and started 8th in race 3, while Gb arrived 2nd in Race 2 and started 21st in race 3...

It's a little hard to see here, because in the results, I took out the spurious jump start penalties, but when the grids were set, there were a bunch of jump start penalties that pushed some people down the order when they got 20 second penalties. Once I get rid of those junk jump starts, it should be clearer.
I am not sure... I mean: I know I arrived after Phil in Race 2. But I also know I started behind Phil in Race 3. I mean: I saw this live with my own eyes, not from the results ;)

No polemics here, of course. I am loving the new format. I am just wondering whether we are doing something wrong.


Yes, but his finishing position was skewed in race2 by 20s penalty.  So the program thought he actually finished *after* you (with the added 20s penalty).  Hence his starting in front of you in the 3rd race.

p.s. sorry, I've edited your msg instead of reply, first.
Oh, I see: the grid is done automatically and therefore thought that Phil arrived, say, 14th, after taking into account a false start penalty. But actually he did not do any false start in Race 2, so you can manually get rid of that for the Race 2 results now, but could not intervene in time to reset the grid for Race 3. Makes sense now. Thank you ;)
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Gratulin on April 06, 2016, 08:24:21 AM
Wally, what happened with the rear-end on me in Race 1 on the last corner lap 6, I think? Didn't show up in he contact report?
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: StanDaam on April 06, 2016, 08:39:28 AM
Very average night for me. Busy weekend mean't I was a bit under prepped for this race and it showed. I normally love Barbagallo but I didn't have much pace here last night, still twerking tweaking with traction control and setup.
Tapped Bird in race 2, he nearly got it recovered but got cleaned up by the oncoming pack. Race over by the time that was all sorted.
Ahhh well, shit happens and I blame Marty's replays, Rolz's rage quit and GB's new head set.  :P
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Wally on April 06, 2016, 09:23:34 AM
Wally, what happened with the rear-end on me in Race 1 on the last corner lap 6, I think? Didn't show up in he contact report?
I don't know without looking at the replay.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Wally on April 06, 2016, 09:25:02 AM
Hi Wally: can you explain how the reverse grid for race 3 works? I see Phil arrived 8th in Race 2 and started 8th in race 3, while Gb arrived 2nd in Race 2 and started 21st in race 3...

It's a little hard to see here, because in the results, I took out the spurious jump start penalties, but when the grids were set, there were a bunch of jump start penalties that pushed some people down the order when they got 20 second penalties. Once I get rid of those junk jump starts, it should be clearer.
I am not sure... I mean: I know I arrived after Phil in Race 2. But I also know I started behind Phil in Race 3. I mean: I saw this live with my own eyes, not from the results ;)

No polemics here, of course. I am loving the new format. I am just wondering whether we are doing something wrong.


Yes, but his finishing position was skewed in race2 by 20s penalty.  So the program thought he actually finished *after* you (with the added 20s penalty).  Hence his starting in front of you in the 3rd race.

p.s. sorry, I've edited your msg instead of reply, first.
Oh, I see: the grid is done automatically and therefore thought that Phil arrived, say, 14th, after taking into account a false start penalty. But actually he did not do any false start in Race 2, so you can manually get rid of that for the Race 2 results now, but could not intervene in time to reset the grid for Race 3. Makes sense now. Thank you ;)
Yes. I'll still try and get rid of those pesky fake jump starts from the previous session.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: grat on April 06, 2016, 09:29:14 AM
Hi Wally: can you explain how the reverse grid for race 3 works? I see Phil arrived 8th in Race 2 and started 8th in race 3, while Gb arrived 2nd in Race 2 and started 21st in race 3...
It's a little hard to see here, because in the results, I took out the spurious jump start penalties, but when the grids were set, there were a bunch of jump start penalties that pushed some people down the order when they got 20 second penalties. Once I get rid of those junk jump starts, it should be clearer.
I am not sure... I mean: I know I arrived after Phil in Race 2. But I also know I started behind Phil in Race 3. I mean: I saw this live with my own eyes, not from the results ;)

No polemics here, of course. I am loving the new format. I am just wondering whether we are doing something wrong.


Yes, but his finishing position was skewed in race2 by 20s penalty.  So the program thought he actually finished *after* you (with the added 20s penalty).  Hence his starting in front of you in the 3rd race.

p.s. sorry, I've edited your msg instead of reply, first.
Oh, I see: the grid is done automatically and therefore thought that Phil arrived, say, 14th, after taking into account a false start penalty. But actually he did not do any false start in Race 2, so you can manually get rid of that for the Race 2 results now, but could not intervene in time to reset the grid for Race 3. Makes sense now. Thank you ;)
Yes. I'll still try and get rid of those pesky fake jump starts from the previous session.
When we did some practice starts last season and you were publishing contact reports, contact reports from the practice starts were reported as in lap 1 of the actual race. So it seems that the issue might be at a deeper level than just PLP.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: marty on April 06, 2016, 10:11:07 AM
With the false jump starts maybe you can avoid those at the session change over by filteringnout the early pnes way before the actual start.

I havent really looked at the log file but assume all jumps are timecoded and all the false ones seemed to be as the session skipped over to race. Seeing the start is about 60 seconds after the race session starts maybe you could just filter out all jump starts or collisions in the report in the first 30 seconds of the race session.

Also here is a full replay from race 2, this was quite a fun race but finishing behind GB wasnt the plan. I was nearly clean except for giving freezer a little nudge as je slowed for a slower car ahead into the esses. I then gave GB a slight bump into the apex of the last turn while trying to hang on around the outside.

https://youtu.be/s5iSLOMjKb0
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Wally on April 06, 2016, 10:22:41 AM
I'll look at it. I'm well familiar with the code ;)
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Mael on April 06, 2016, 10:42:12 AM
Fun night  ;D

For so called reverse grid races I spent an extraordinary amount of time battling exactly the same people! Don't know how many times I passed/got passed by Hylas!  Results were worse than expected after being caught out in other peoples accidents in race 2 and 3 but even with those incidents the racing was a lot cleaner than I expected.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Freezer on April 06, 2016, 11:09:29 AM
Wasn't overly confident based on practice with these cars however pulled off a decent lap to qualify 10th.
Good a good start in R1 and had a very clean race to come home 8th.
R2 was an excellent race.  Started in 17th and all up got past 10 cars all of which were super clean and close, so a great race.
R3 was not so good. Started 15th but a few laps in got caught up in the big pile up having got to 13 was now in 19th.
Had a small tap from Bacculum which saw us both go round and then spent the rest of the race trying to keep with him.

p.s. having had traction control on by default I suddenly thought to turn it of in r2 and it definitely added a bit more pace.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: AJ on April 06, 2016, 11:26:05 AM
That's why DaveO hit me at turn 1, surprised by my early braking.

I have to say I think just about every single person has a slightly different approach into turn 1 at that track!
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Phil.8 on April 06, 2016, 11:35:25 AM
RACE RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2016/04/s11r1-toyota-gt86-at-barbagallo_5.html)


Congratulations to Guybrush, Jeremy and Phil.8 for the race wins, and Guybrush for the round 1.



didn't think I would ever see my name in that list :)  Thank you wallys format :)
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: grat on April 06, 2016, 12:34:06 PM
With the false jump starts maybe you can avoid those at the session change over by filteringnout the early pnes way before the actual start.

I havent really looked at the log file but assume all jumps are timecoded and all the false ones seemed to be as the session skipped over to race. Seeing the start is about 60 seconds after the race session starts maybe you could just filter out all jump starts or collisions in the report in the first 30 seconds of the race session.

Also here is a full replay from race 2, this was quite a fun race but finishing behind GB wasnt the plan. I was nearly clean except for giving freezer a little nudge as je slowed for a slower car ahead into the esses. I then gave GB a slight bump into the apex of the last turn while trying to hang on around the outside.

https://youtu.be/s5iSLOMjKb0
Man, I was really unlucky there. And really nothing I can tell to Chap and Bird: they had a minimal side-to-side contact while three-way on the straight. Nothing anybody could do about it. Maybe Bird could have given a little more way to Chap, but I soubt he knew there was a third car on the other side, so.... It just pin-balled the wrong way for me. :(

Had a very good first lap, though. Maybe I am finally getting a bit better in traffic. let's hope it's true.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: marty on April 06, 2016, 01:12:46 PM
That's why DaveO hit me at turn 1, surprised by my early braking.

I have to say I think just about every single person has a slightly different approach into turn 1 at that track!

Turn 1 there are a few lines but if someone is following you really cant go the wide entry with a late apex as anyone can dive inside brake later and still make the early apex taking yours away completly.

The outside car either gives room or causes a collision and if they give room they are forced wide of the apex making them slower and opens up for others behind so if you leave that space your unlikely to hold that position. Driving on your own the wider entry is probably similar to the tighter one but in traffic unless trying an outside pass always best to hug the inside there and its going to likely be the case in these cars all season.

This inside pass isnt exactly a dive bomb as a dive bomb is coming in way too hot and late, then pushing wide of the apex. So if the inside car then runs into the outside car the collision is clearly their fault but if the lead car is oblivious to traffic and leaves a guge gap on the inside many guys will take that as a nice place donation.  ;)
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Bird on April 06, 2016, 01:13:09 PM
Yeah, sorry about that Grat.  I thought the space was aplenty, and I've really tried to keep going straight.

P.s. I've just driven an 86 today (test drive) and it sounds better IRL, but very similar.  That pleasing grrrr is already there at pretty low revs.  And man it sticks to the road...  I think I'll have to buy one :D
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: grat on April 06, 2016, 01:14:59 PM
Turn 1 there are a few lines but if someone is following you really cant go the wide entry with a late apex as anyone can dive inside brake later and still make the early apex taking yours away completly.
Ahah. Yes, I remember you teaching me that. Ask Phil if I got that point: I closed the inside line to him for like 14 out of 16 laps in Race1 (yes: there were two laps I had actually more than 1 second advantage).
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: grat on April 06, 2016, 01:18:31 PM
Yeah, sorry about that Grat.  I thought the space was aplenty, and I've really tried to keep going straight.

P.s. I've just driven an 86 today (test drive) and it sounds better IRL, but very similar.  That pleasing grrrr is already there at pretty low revs.  And man it sticks to the road...  I think I'll have to buy one :D
You should! I saw a track-prepped used one at the shop close to home like a month ago. It looked cool, with its adjustable front suspensions (don't ask me what it was adjustable, it was a +/- thing on top of the dumpers/springs) and big cross-bars reinforced engine casing. It was much cheaper (25K?) than the fancy Abarth595 (35K?) they had there, and both probably had a crash at some point anyway ;)
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: trackmeister on April 06, 2016, 01:27:08 PM
With the false jump starts maybe you can avoid those at the session change over by filteringnout the early pnes way before the actual start.

I havent really looked at the log file but assume all jumps are timecoded and all the false ones seemed to be as the session skipped over to race. Seeing the start is about 60 seconds after the race session starts maybe you could just filter out all jump starts or collisions in the report in the first 30 seconds of the race session.

Also here is a full replay from race 2, this was quite a fun race but finishing behind GB wasnt the plan. I was nearly clean except for giving freezer a little nudge as je slowed for a slower car ahead into the esses. I then gave GB a slight bump into the apex of the last turn while trying to hang on around the outside.

https://youtu.be/s5iSLOMjKb0

Bacchulum did well to hold you off. Bacch and I got great starts and we're pretty much near each other the whole race until I got a mirror full of pace setters on my tail. For best starts award Bacchulum probably takes the trophy. Great races and great vids! Thanks for posting the vids.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: marty on April 06, 2016, 01:32:30 PM
That collision with Grat, Chap and Bird is not exactly easy to see from the high angle in the video. Grat hasnt done anything wrong but was pretty much done out wide there on entry and had there been no contact would likely have lost both spots I think. 3 wide outside there wpuld be very slow but also Grat may not have known hew was 3 wide and if the contact hadnt happened there it likely would have near the apex.

The way I see the actual collision Chap saw he was very close to Grat and so kind of half panicked and went more right only to find Bird there. Bird has slightly moved outside on entry while Chap was moving inside a bit and they both ended up going for the same bit of track amd made contact in a racing incident hard to lay any blame. Not sure if Grat or Bird saw they were 3 wide and this will always be tricky and why I was a bit amazed all the times I was 3 wide turned out with no contacts.

The collision itself didnt look like any weird netcode pinball and pretty much the cars reacted as you would expect I think.

Yeah, sorry about that Grat.  I thought the space was aplenty, and I've really tried to keep going straight.

P.s. I've just driven an 86 today (test drive) and it sounds better IRL, but very similar.  That pleasing grrrr is already there at pretty low revs.  And man it sticks to the road...  I think I'll have to buy one :D

Nice I took a new gtr for a spin a few weeks ago and am looking at getting a couple years old one in from Japan. I will be in Japan for a few weeks later in the year so will try get one on a track there and see what I can find as the local prices are insane and importing one from Japan works out much cheaper then buying a second hand one here.

Its possible 2017 I could spend mostly in Japan so Im not in a huge hurry to get a car until then where I could buy a car have it there 12 months and bring it back to Australia with no duty. That way I could get a brand new one have it for a year and it would still be worth way more then I paid for it in Australia thanks to our 100% luxury car tax rate.  ;)
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Bird on April 06, 2016, 01:38:27 PM
The only trouble with gray imports is servicing - but I'm sure you know it already.  I've looked at it a while ago, too, but to me it looked like too much hassles.  And recently a friend has got a gray import japanese, and he needs to fix it himself, basically, as no-one is willing to touch it.  That gets a "hell no" from me ;)
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: grat on April 06, 2016, 01:43:15 PM
That collision with Grat, Chap and Bird is not exactly easy to see from the high angle in the video. Grat hasnt done anything wrong but was pretty much done out wide there on entry and had there been no contact would likely have lost both spots I think. 3 wide outside there wpuld be very slow but also Grat may not have known hew was 3 wide and if the contact hadnt happened there it likely would have near the apex.

The way I see the actual collision Chap saw he was very close to Grat and so kind of half panicked and went more right only to find Bird there. Bird has slightly moved outside on entry while Chap was moving inside a bit and they both ended up going for the same bit of track amd made contact in a racing incident hard to lay any blame. Not sure if Grat or Bird saw they were 3 wide and this will always be tricky and why I was a bit amazed all the times I was 3 wide turned out with no contacts.

The collision itself didnt look like any weird netcode pinball and pretty much the cars reacted as you would expect I think.
100% agree. And yes, I had no idea Bird was so close. Exiting previous corner I had to lift not to bump into Chap. I had a glimpse in the mirrors then and saw that Bird was coming, but had no idea of how faster he would have been. I had a little space on the outside and went for it, but I knew (as you said) I could not make a pass. From that moment on my eyes were only on the distance between me and Chap and the grass on my left, as it was very narrow in there. Everything else... I did not care about. I was just thinking of braking early and nicely and choose a decent exit for next straight, as I did a few times yesterday (it worked... half of the time?). So when I got the bump, I did not think of Bird being there at all. That's why I asked on TS "what was that?" because I wondered how did Chap's car move so suddenly.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: slideways on April 06, 2016, 02:16:06 PM
Tried to watch my replay of race 3 but I'm doing something wrong. I have a replay but missing the first 5mins or so...What size should I allow replays? Mine doesn't start til after my incident... :-\
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Bird on April 06, 2016, 02:26:05 PM
I think it was a slight bit exaggerated, still. (the crash) - the bodies of the cars still react rather rigidly.  But it's not as bad as it was before.

However, I've noticed that some people's cars sortof move back-and-forth a bit.   It's not a big movement, but it's unsettling, still.  The car seems to have a bad exit of a corner, then suddenly jerks forwards, then back a bit again.  About half-meter to meter movements, that can't be explained, but chalked up to a bit of a connection problem not handled really properly.  It makes close racing with a few ppl rather precarious.

Slideways: set it to maximum, it'll save the whole replay.

I've already upped my 3rd race replay here (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24242159/ac/ks_toyota_gt86%40barbagallo_20160405221357.rar) - while it's not yours it still contains the race...enjoy.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: grat on April 06, 2016, 02:38:10 PM
Have you seen this?!?

Stefano Casillo ‏@KunosStefano  7h7 hours ago
Good feedback from testers about new code to improve collisions in MP.. hope to be able to release AC 1.5.5 with it tomorrow.


 Stefano Casillo ‏@KunosStefano  7h7 hours ago
Night coding, rewrote the entire #golang UDP socket layer to avoid locks.Regretting not going C++ for the AC server :(
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: marty on April 06, 2016, 02:43:41 PM
Have you seen this?!?

Have now.  ;)
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on April 06, 2016, 03:23:09 PM
I've noticed lots of surging lately - basically what Bird is talking about.  Cars appear to speed up and slow down fractionally over a short distance.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: slideways on April 06, 2016, 03:39:45 PM
I've already upped my 3rd race replay here (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24242159/ac/ks_toyota_gt86%40barbagallo_20160405221357.rar) - while it's not yours it still contains the race...enjoy.

Cheers mate.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Wally on April 06, 2016, 04:16:42 PM
I've noticed lots of surging lately - basically what Bird is talking about.  Cars appear to speed up and slow down fractionally over a short distance.
I think that's the whole smoothing algorithm that's been in place for a while now, to get rid of the bigger jumps that cars used to do.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on April 06, 2016, 05:25:20 PM
Marty, you must have thought I was wider on the last turn for the couple of contacts we had there.  You can see from the attached screenshot using your video that I was on the apex.  It was the same in race 3.

Race 1 was OK.  Got the handy pole position on the outside of the track so Marty overtook on the inside of T1 but I managed to get back past on the back straight.  From there it was just trying to decrease then stabilise lap times.

Race 2 and 3 are a mix for me.  I can't remember what events occurred in which race!  Anyway it was a hell of a lot of fun.  A few times in Race 3 I had to throw on the anchors to avoid hitting people that had spun, but it was all good fun.  I think we all ended up with damage after the catastrophe coming out of T1 in Race 3.

All in all it was a great few races, especially the last 2.  I like the new format, I think it is well suited to these cars and sprint races.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: marty on April 06, 2016, 05:47:16 PM
Guybrush I saw in the video that I squeezed you more then I thought, I hadnt looked at the same contact the other race but seeing you say it was the same Im sure it was. The actual collisions werent anything silly but did just push my car off the track. I thought at the time you must have missed the apex but clearly you didnt in the video so contact would actually have been my fault there entirely even though it was quite minor but enough to cost me the place so a fair result I think.

Clearly we were both trying as hard as we could to not take eachother out but also not let eachother past. I suspect there will be a few small rubs here and there and I also had a little chuckle one lap where you clearly defended early against my last turn dive bomb that I showed you in one of the practice races.  ;D
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: rob on April 06, 2016, 07:52:59 PM
The most disappointing thing is that Rob has pipped me for most contacts. I was sure I was going to win that award.  That'll teach me for having a clean first race.

Hey GB, you're disappointed? How do think I feel?

I had one slight rub with Bafs that was my mistake. With every other contact I was an innocent bystander getting involved in other peoples accidents or getting hit by someone else!

All in all a very disappointing night for me.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Wally on April 06, 2016, 09:21:07 PM
My pedals seem to be silky smooth and linear in response again. It seems just a Windows restart fixed the glitched calibration.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: rob on April 06, 2016, 09:30:01 PM
That's good Wally
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on April 06, 2016, 09:36:28 PM
My pedals seem to be silky smooth and linear in response again. It seems just a Windows restart fixed the glitched calibration.

Famous last words!
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: marty on April 06, 2016, 10:52:52 PM
The most disappointing thing is that Rob has pipped me for most contacts. I was sure I was going to win that award.  That'll teach me for having a clean first race.

Hey GB, you're disappointed? How do think I feel?

I had one slight rub with Bafs that was my mistake. With every other contact I was an innocent bystander getting involved in other peoples accidents or getting hit by someone else!

All in all a very disappointing night for me.

I had 6 contacts for the nite and half of those were with my team mate. :) only other person I hit was freezer 2x and Matthew once, GB and I there will likely be some rubbing unless he gets too far ahead of me. Freezer was just unlucky as we got caught up in the race 2 pile up and the other touch was when he had to check up for a slower car ahead that caught me out a touch and I gave him a slight tap. Not sure where Matthew and I touched but Im amazed we only touched once as we were rather close quite a few times, next to each through many corners and part of a a few 3 wide sections.

I think there should be awards for team mates that have most contacts during the season, I really am shocked Achilles heal are behind the struggle street crew. Maybe they can make up for it but Jeremy was well clear of everyone race 2 so we need to see them get into more battles to challenge us for that honour.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Wally on April 06, 2016, 11:21:18 PM
My pedals seem to be silky smooth and linear in response again. It seems just a Windows restart fixed the glitched calibration.

Famous last words!
That's what I'm scared of. I gave it a go tonight, and all was good though.
Title: Re: S11R1: Barbagallo post-race chat
Post by: Bird on April 07, 2016, 07:48:24 AM
My pedals seem to be silky smooth and linear in response again. It seems just a Windows restart fixed the glitched calibration.

Famous last words!
That's what I'm scared of. I gave it a go tonight, and all was good though.
Yeah but it's not race night...
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