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Title: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on October 25, 2016, 10:24:53 PM
RACE RESULTS AND CHARTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2016/10/s14r3-maserati-gt4-at-brands-hatch-gp.html)
SEASON STANDINGS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2016/10/season-14-standings_11.html)

SEASON STATS (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nu52lWM6_TIRBEGCTF32BxLe8mobfsCFpd_wOeuxpXI/edit#gid=300873498)
ALL TIME STATS (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nu52lWM6_TIRBEGCTF32BxLe8mobfsCFpd_wOeuxpXI/edit#gid=8)

Penalties
None.

Round Points
Guybrush Threepwood   76
Grat   67
Phil.8   63
Marty   59
M8R   44
Wally   38
hylas   38
Bacchulum   26
nith   24
Joe   24
Mael   23
Keith   16
Rob   11
Simone   10
Freezer   9
Doobs   5
RussG   4
AJ   3
stevenngo   2
Seanus   1

Congratulations to Guybrushon pole position and the race 2 and round wins, and to Phil for the race 1 win.

Special mention to Keith, who gained 7 places in race 1 to finish 14th after qualifying in 21st.

Season Podium
1. Guybrush, 155 points
2. Grat, 146
3. Matthew, 132

Team Standings
Achilles Heels (Guybrush and Marty) lead DA Racing (Grat and Wally), 284 points to 220.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Joe on October 25, 2016, 10:36:51 PM
Was probably on track for my highest points for a single night, but had to make an unscheduled 'baby change' during the pit stop in the 2nd race costing me positions.

R1 I qualified 6th between M8R and Wally and had some good opening laps. After GB's mishap he was on my tail going side by side on the uphill right hander and we touched and I want onto grass. I then messed up the following corner and Wally got past. I thought I may get an undercut on him later on but came out of the pits just behind. I started to pick my pace up and after a few laps Wally made a mistake coming out of T4 and I got the run on him up the hill. Somewhere in there M8R spun and we both got past so I finished 5th.

R1 I started 5th, got into a groove and made a pretty decent gap. The way I was going I was confident I would have kept that position, but on lap 9 the baby who was asleep on the sofa behind me woke up just as I was coming around the final turn, so I made a dive into the pits, stopped, squeezed out of my rig, grabbed him and took him into my wife who'd actually just gone to bed (oops). I think I came out of the pits in 18th so put my head down and put in some good laps. I made a few passes then got to the back of a train where I overtook Rob into T1 then onto the back of Simone, but coming into T4 I saw whoever was in front of Simone going sideways so I braked and spun giving Rob the place back. Lap 19 Simone spun and Rob and I got past, then I tried again on T1 but couldn't get past, but did make it through the inside of T4 finishing 12th in the end I think. The latter part of the race was probably the most fun of the night :)
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Freezer on October 25, 2016, 11:00:37 PM
Well at this rate Maki Engineering my well be reconsidering their driver options for next season . . !
R1: Unfortunately due to technical issues with my PC not being able to run the game above 20fps I had to bail out as it was not driveable.
I later resolved this and was able to run some practice laps in the second half of the race.
R2: Starting from last was always going to be hard.  I had some door handle banging with Hornbag as he was trying to hold on around the outside but unfortunately he went off.  I seemed to have decent pace and started catching a few people but then did a silly spin  >:(
I decided to pit early and duly bumped the wall on entry and found after the car was very skaty . .
After a dodgy lap or so I managed to adapt to it and pushed on eventually getting home 15th.

Technical issues ruined the night but with my new setup (thanks Wally) things are looking up!
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: marty on October 25, 2016, 11:03:17 PM
Was a bit of an off night for me, in Qualy I made a pretty major stuff up and went off hit a wall with 1 min to go when well up on my current time. I had time to finish that lap and do 1 more but with damage it was pointless to run the last lap.

Race 1 starting in 4th I had an ok start and with GB having some issues managed to get into 2nd chasing Phil, he pitted and I stayed out a couple more laps. I came out just behind him so not quite to plan but had a good little battle with him. I then had a big brain berp into t1 locking a wheel and losing about 10 seconds or more playing in the sand going back to 4th where I finished.

Race 2 starting in 4th again, GB got to the lead and that was the last we were going to see of him. Was a good little battle with Phil and Grat, I managed to get ahead of Phil then tried to chase down Grat. He has some good pace and I really wasnt making much progress on him, I pitted trying an undercut but stuffed my entry to pits and he pitted the lap after and I had lost another couple of seconds. From there I tried to push and catch up but was gaining .1 or .2 some laps then making a small error and losing .5 which continued on to the end of the race.

Im really not getting that much out of this car so it will be quite a battle to get a season podium with GB easily taking the win assuming he makes most races.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Mael on October 25, 2016, 11:29:54 PM
Well at this rate Maki Engineering my well be reconsidering their driver options for next season . . !

Should read up on your F1 history Freezer! Maki Engineering has no pretenses on winning any championships. Although I do expects some podiums in the second half of the season.

Fun races although my playtime in Brands Hatch's beaches destroyed any chance of a good finish. Had a epic battle in the second half of race 2 with Nith, Keith, Rob and a bunch other drivers. Apologies to any drivers if I was a bit too aggressive  ;D
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on October 25, 2016, 11:42:32 PM
That was my best round, points-wise, and also managing to pick up the "Most Consistent Lap Times" award in both races, which surprised me. I moved up 2 spots in the season standings.

In race 1, I was battling Joe for the most part, and as he mentioned, a little oversteer by me at T4 saw him get passed to finish that race 1 spot ahead of me, which was a fair result as Joe's best lap time was almost 1 second better than mine. I was chasing Mael on the season leaderboard, so I was keeping half an eye on when he pitted. I saw he pitted on lap 8, so I thought I'd stay out a little longer as I had clear track to try to build up a little buffer. Maybe it worked to help me finish a few spots ahead of him.

In race 2, I randomly decided for a longer first stint, hitting the lead momentarily, and pitted on lap 12, after most other people had pitted. It didn't work out all that well, as I lost one spot all up, dropping from 6th to 7th. I came out of pits in a nice big gap to Hylas in front and Bacchulum behind, and had a relatively lonely 2nd stint to the end. All of my pit strategies are just guess work :)
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Freezer on October 25, 2016, 11:54:02 PM
"Freezer squeezed Hornbag off track at turn 2 after passing on the inside: 50 kg penalty ballast next race."

Have to disagree with this one.  I was alongside on entry to the corner.  Hornbag turned in a bit tight as I hugged the inside ripple strip and we rubbed slightly.  No problem though.
Then on exit he gets on the gas to hard and kicks out the rear.  The subsequent turn in sees him hit my front (he was holding opposite lock at the time of contact). The impact bounced him out to the grass.

Here is the point of contact.  Hornbag already sideways.  Racing room to my left.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on October 26, 2016, 07:00:15 AM
"Freezer squeezed Hornbag off track at turn 2 after passing on the inside: 50 kg penalty ballast next race."

Have to disagree with this one.  I was alongside on entry to the corner.  Hornbag turned in a bit tight as I hugged the inside ripple strip and we rubbed slightly.  No problem though.
Then on exit he gets on the gas to hard and kicks out the rear.  The subsequent turn in sees him hit my front (he was holding opposite lock at the time of contact). The impact bounced him out to the grass.

Here is the point of contact.  Hornbag already sideways.  Racing room to my left.
I'll watch it again. From my view of the replay, you just appeared to keep going right after the initial pass, squeezing him off the track on your left.


Edit: Yes, you're quite right. I see how Hornbag's rear kicked out turning him into you. Sorry about that - I've removed the penalty.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Freezer on October 26, 2016, 08:05:16 AM
"Freezer squeezed Hornbag off track at turn 2 after passing on the inside: 50 kg penalty ballast next race."

Have to disagree with this one.  I was alongside on entry to the corner.  Hornbag turned in a bit tight as I hugged the inside ripple strip and we rubbed slightly.  No problem though.
Then on exit he gets on the gas to hard and kicks out the rear.  The subsequent turn in sees him hit my front (he was holding opposite lock at the time of contact). The impact bounced him out to the grass.

Here is the point of contact.  Hornbag already sideways.  Racing room to my left.
I'll watch it again. From my view of the replay, you just appeared to keep going right after the initial pass, squeezing him off the track on your left.


Edit: Yes, you're quite right. I see how Hornbag's rear kicked out turning him into you. Sorry about that - I've removed the penalty.
All good . . thanks Wally.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on October 26, 2016, 09:05:31 AM
Overall a positive night for me.

Quali: had a good first stint, but in second stint I found traffic everywhere. On my best lap I think I lost around 3 tenths due to it. But thankfully Marty had a harder time than I had and I managed third.

NOTE TO PHIL: your quali lap has a cut in it. I think that with rolling starts it should be pretty easy to sort these kind of things... .

Race 1: opted to stay out of lead battle in first 2 laps. I think it was the wise choice, but also left me very vulnerable to Marty's attack, and indeed he passed me. After GB's off, I just tried to stay around 1 sec. behind the leading duo and postponed any further ambition to the second part of the race. I managed a good pair of fast laps before the pit stop, but re-emerged just behind Marty again. It was shaping to be a nice battle, but then GB arrived and I lost contact with the lead when we both went off at t1. Then Marty did the same, and we both gained a position on him. 3rd was more than I had hoped (4th) so I was happy :)

Race 2: GB passed Phil at the start and he was gone. I did not feel to attack Phil properly, but when he made a mistake at the last turn of the first lap, I took the chance (sorry Phil for the little bump... also, Marty: on replay I noticed I did not leave you much space there, though probably 3-wide would have been suicidal at t1). From then on, it was like an f1 race: eyes on the timing, 2 fast laps before the stop, 4 fast laps after the stop, and then when I saw I had more than 3 seconds 2 laps to go I just slowed down to keep it home safe. 2nd was the absolute best I could hope for!

All in all: Brands-Hatch is lots of fun, but 40 laps pushing on it are mentally very very tiring! I was really proud of not making mistakes and being able to judge when to push and when to let it go. In the past I screwed up so many races by pushing when I shouldn't have....
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: marty on October 26, 2016, 09:25:18 AM
"Freezer squeezed Hornbag off track at turn 2 after passing on the inside: 50 kg penalty ballast next race."

Have to disagree with this one.  I was alongside on entry to the corner.  Hornbag turned in a bit tight as I hugged the inside ripple strip and we rubbed slightly.  No problem though.
Then on exit he gets on the gas to hard and kicks out the rear.  The subsequent turn in sees him hit my front (he was holding opposite lock at the time of contact). The impact bounced him out to the grass.

Here is the point of contact.  Hornbag already sideways.  Racing room to my left.
I'll watch it again. From my view of the replay, you just appeared to keep going right after the initial pass, squeezing him off the track on your left.


Edit: Yes, you're quite right. I see how Hornbag's rear kicked out turning him into you. Sorry about that - I've removed the penalty.

Penalty removed but I made a short video last night so will put it up anyway.

https://youtu.be/FzUzom3x5Ps

My analysis of the initial contact Freezer was still with both right wheels inside the white line so I would say Hornbag squeezed him a little causing that bump. This may have unsettled him a little and the second collision was as he lost the rear. I think Freezers exit point possibly may have squeezed hornbag had he not got loose but as it was after the contact and Hornbag already off track Freezer had more room on exit by then as he was clear.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on October 26, 2016, 10:48:08 AM
Overall a positive night for me.


NOTE TO PHIL: your quali lap has a cut in it. I think that with rolling starts it should be pretty easy to sort these kind of things... .


Yes, i lost time as i went wide in the fast corners part of the track, but am happy top take any points penalty the Wally review system deems necessary 
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Joe on October 26, 2016, 10:52:09 AM
Overall a positive night for me.


NOTE TO PHIL: your quali lap has a cut in it. I think that with rolling starts it should be pretty easy to sort these kind of things... .


Yes, i lost time as i went wide in the fast corners part of the track, but am happy top take any points penalty the Wally review system deems necessary

Mine was also a cut, but a slow lap due to other mistakes. I also didn't realize during the lap as I was focused on track and only saw it in the results page. I think if you clearly know you made a cut that would give you an advantage you should slow down, otherwise does it really matter?
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on October 26, 2016, 10:58:11 AM
I slow down even when practicing if i make a cut that gains time as not to mess my delta
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: marty on October 26, 2016, 10:58:49 AM
Overall a positive night for me.


NOTE TO PHIL: your quali lap has a cut in it. I think that with rolling starts it should be pretty easy to sort these kind of things... .


Yes, i lost time as i went wide in the fast corners part of the track, but am happy top take any points penalty the Wally review system deems necessary

Its a shame we cant set ingame penalties by session, the cut detection lap invalidation works well in practice and qualy but for races in the league using just plp for track cuts is a much better option then the forced slowdown penalty. My qualy was killed as I ran wide then hit the wall lol so clearly no time gain but I also abandoned the session at that point.

I think I will need to suggest this again at the forums, I dont think it would be so hard to code different penalty levels for each session.

As is I think there should be some set penalty for people setting a qualy lap on an invalid lap. Maybe just a points penalty or a grid penalty for race 2 of the next round. So possibly all that set their best lap with an invalid lap they should get a 5 place grid penalty at the next round.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on October 26, 2016, 11:05:15 AM
even if you lose time?,  I just learned track limits from watching F1 .

anyway just to save people saying I won cause I cheated I will take a  disqualify  for the race please Wally
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on October 26, 2016, 11:18:37 AM
even if you lose time?,  I just learned track limits from watching F1 .

anyway just to save people saying I won cause I cheated I will take a  disqualify  for the race please Wally
No, come on, Phil! I am sorry it sounded like I was suggesting you were cheating or something. I completely believe that you deserved that win, and any penalty now would be unfair, too late, and in all cases inappropriate.

I know as well as you do that not all cuts are the same. I just remember that when I accidentally set a lap time with a cut (at the moment was my best, but then I did much better in the second stint) at Misano, I said it on teamspeak and said that I could redress position if needed during formation lap.

Please let's not turn this into a personal thing. It was not meant to be. I just thought it would be good to open up a little discussion among us so that we can clarify what we all intend the rule to be and what could be an appropriate procedure in case one of us feels he has gained any advantage from an involuntary cut.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on October 26, 2016, 11:29:59 AM
@Phil:

sorry---I realize my comment put you on the spot. I did not mean to identify you as a culprit, but only to highlight a small glitch we might be having in our procedures and perhaps suggest a way to solve it. The tone was meant to be cheeky and a little sarcastic, I admit it. But in no way it was meant to be a request to either you or Wally to do anything about last night's race. Although unintentionally, I see very well that my comment might have hurt you and I would like to apologize.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Phil.8 on October 26, 2016, 11:38:41 AM
its all cool Grat, nothing personal at all :), I know you were not picking me out, just making an observation, But I really dont ,mind if I get a penalty for it :)
Maybe could get a grid penalty for next race or something with qualify laps set with a cut in it, I am happy to be the first victim
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: marty on October 26, 2016, 11:42:39 AM
even if you lose time?,  I just learned track limits from watching F1 .

anyway just to save people saying I won cause I cheated I will take a  disqualify  for the race please Wally

Not saying that at all Phil, there is no actual penalty set aside for this anyway and Im sure you didnt gain time as you say. Its the reason why I think it would be easiest if game just invalidated laps so its not up to drivers and that would make it the easiest for all.

It would also be very hard for anyone to check in replays and be a pita. Thats why I suggest a next race grid penalty rather then effect the results of that race. Its not like people are cutting on purpose on qualy but its possible to set a lap on invalid laps so some sort of minor grid penalty for a future race would be a sifficiant penalty I think for anyone setting a qualy lap with plp.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on October 26, 2016, 12:33:42 PM
I don't think it's worth worrying about. Long races tend to equalise out into fair results.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Mael on October 26, 2016, 12:44:42 PM
"Freezer squeezed Hornbag off track at turn 2 after passing on the inside: 50 kg penalty ballast next race."

Have to keep a eye on the stewards, team DA Racing has undue influence on them  ;D
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: marty on October 26, 2016, 01:16:19 PM
I don't think it's worth worrying about. Long races tend to equalise out into fair results.

Looking at qualy there were a few that set their fastest lap on a plp cut. Phil, Joe, Nith and Hornbag though Hornbag only ran one lap and was likely an outlap.

If there is no penalty at all for getting a cut on a qualy lap then it means there is no reason not to cut or abandon a lap if you have gone invalid.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Simone on October 26, 2016, 01:16:52 PM
Great fun ;D ;D,good racing,close and tough.Shame  in the second race  i blew everytyhing away...too bad!!! i am getting better and my qual lap was not too shabby.My aim for this championship is to grab a final position into the 10ths but i see it hard but also possible,definately it wont happen if i drive like in the 2nd race...lesson learnt,,,but  ye....i am excited to challenge again some of you on the track.
Congrats to the podium!!!!  good job!!   I remember a couples years ago i could easily make Phil eat my dust........not anymore.....dannazione!!!!!

Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Simone on October 26, 2016, 01:19:43 PM
I don't think it's worth worrying about. Long races tend to equalise out into fair results.

Looking at qualy there were a few that set their fastest lap on a plp cut. Phil, Joe, Nith and Hornbag though Hornbag only ran one lap and was likely an outlap.

If there is no penalty at all for getting a cut on a qualy lap then it means there is no reason not to cut or abandon a lap if you have gone invalid.

I have to say that the penalty sistem is not up tp the lovely season ,,,you can cut and get away with it,
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on October 26, 2016, 01:43:48 PM
I don't think it's worth worrying about. Long races tend to equalise out into fair results.

Looking at qualy there were a few that set their fastest lap on a plp cut. Phil, Joe, Nith and Hornbag though Hornbag only ran one lap and was likely an outlap.

If there is no penalty at all for getting a cut on a qualy lap then it means there is no reason not to cut or abandon a lap if you have gone invalid.
Yeah, but you can't enforce every little thing. You have to rely on honesty at some point.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on October 26, 2016, 02:01:59 PM
I don't think it's worth worrying about. Long races tend to equalise out into fair results.

Looking at qualy there were a few that set their fastest lap on a plp cut. Phil, Joe, Nith and Hornbag though Hornbag only ran one lap and was likely an outlap.

If there is no penalty at all for getting a cut on a qualy lap then it means there is no reason not to cut or abandon a lap if you have gone invalid.
Yeah, but you can't enforce every little thing. You have to rely on honesty at some point.
I think a reminder of the rule at the beginning of each season is more than sufficient. We are all gentlemen, nobody is going to abuse of it.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on October 26, 2016, 02:12:12 PM
I don't think it's worth worrying about. Long races tend to equalise out into fair results.

Looking at qualy there were a few that set their fastest lap on a plp cut. Phil, Joe, Nith and Hornbag though Hornbag only ran one lap and was likely an outlap.

If there is no penalty at all for getting a cut on a qualy lap then it means there is no reason not to cut or abandon a lap if you have gone invalid.
Yeah, but you can't enforce every little thing. You have to rely on honesty at some point.
I think a reminder of the rule at the beginning of each season is more than sufficient. We are all gentlemen, nobody is going to abuse of it.

PLP already flashes up "Invalid lap, slow down".
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on October 26, 2016, 04:41:47 PM
I had an OK night.

Accelerator is giving me the sh!#@!  Was cutting out at some points and then getting half stuck on during some corners.  I think I went off 4 times in the first race before giving it a belting with my foot and trying to drive around it as best I could.  It seemed to get better for race 2 after blowing in it and wasn't sticking as much, although was still cutting out somewhat.

Race 1 was fun being back in the pack a bit.  Had a good battle with a couple of people and tried to run long in clean air to make up some time.  Came out of the pits behind 4 others (i think).  Sorry Joe if there was any contact when we were side by side through the fast right hander at the end of the back straight - I didn't feel/hear anything and thought you must have slipped off yourself, otherwise I would have slowed down.  Marty was kind enough to let me by in T1 and then I was trying to chase Phil down but couldn't get him.  Well done on the race win Phil - well deserved.

Race 2 I managed to get the jump on Phil during lap 1 (or is that 2...) and then was able to keep a little distance between myself and second place to the end.

Good times.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on October 26, 2016, 07:04:44 PM
was able to keep a little distance
you were 7 seconds ahead after 7 laps :(
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on October 26, 2016, 07:29:40 PM
I can probably add a 10 second post-race time penalty if you set a best qualifying lap with a cut in it. The onus will be on the driver to slow down if they cut during a hot lap.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on October 26, 2016, 07:45:10 PM
I can probably add a 10 second post-race time penalty if you set a best qualifying lap with a cut in it. The onus will be on the driver to slow down if they cut during a hot lap.
You could, but it would anyway require some flexibility. For example, one might set their best lap with a cut even if they slow down, simply because they then do not manage a clean lap after that. In that case they should perhaps be forgiven, or at leave given the chance to redress (i.e. go to the spot they would have been in with their best no-cut lap) during formation lap if we have running starts.

All in all, it seems to be a very hard thing to police, so maybe the best thing is to leave it to a gentlemen agreement and have the threat that a 10 seconds penalty after the race will apply in the very unlikely case that one says nothing and does nothing about it. The gentlemen agreement could be of the type:

1. if you have a cut, you should try your best to slow down and set a time that is not at all competitive, at least compared to your average laptimes.
2. if then it happens that the cut is on the last corner and you do not react in time (or you do not want to jeopardize what might be your last lap) then you should say this over teamspeak and Wally will tell you how to redress (perhaps staying a few seconds in the pit after tyres are changed or redressing during formation lap when this is a thing).
3. if you do not repsect either 1 or 2 and Wally notices it at the end, then you get some harsh punishment (time, or gridballast if DNF).
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Simone on October 26, 2016, 07:55:50 PM
But i do not understand sorry.Is the game giving you the invalid lap warning when you cut the track?Can we use it during the qual time? 
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on October 26, 2016, 08:03:02 PM
But i do not understand sorry.Is the game giving you the invalid lap warning when you cut the track?Can we use it during the qual time?
Yes, if you cut during qualifying, PLP will flash a yellow message that says "Invalid lap, slow down". Everyone should be able to notice that.

3. if you do not repsect either 1 or 2 and Wally notices it at the end, then you get some harsh punishment (time, or gridballast if DNF).
I don't want to do any "noticing" :)
I just want it to be fully automated. I think you should be able to lift if you cut during a qualifying lap and "discard" that lap yourself, knowing that if you set a qualifying time with that lap, you'll be penalised at the end of the race.

It's not that I think people are cutting deliberately to set a qual time - my overall goal is to make the race night just stressful enough, as that's part of racing in my opinion - e.g. that added mental pressure to not cut during a qualifying hot lap. That's why I'd love to have pit lane speed limits enforced too, with a manual pit limiter. Just that little bit more to think about. Racing is all about finding the edge.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Gratulin on October 26, 2016, 09:32:54 PM
On another topic:

Someone mentioned last night that AC was taking longer to load recently. I had noticed the same thing. So I uninstalled RSRlivetiming ( specifically assettocorsa\launcher\themes\default\modules\RSRLiveWeb ) and AC is loading as normal again. May not work for everyone but it did for me.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on October 26, 2016, 09:52:38 PM
But i do not understand sorry.Is the game giving you the invalid lap warning when you cut the track?Can we use it during the qual time?
Yes, if you cut during qualifying, PLP will flash a yellow message that says "Invalid lap, slow down". Everyone should be able to notice that.

3. if you do not repsect either 1 or 2 and Wally notices it at the end, then you get some harsh punishment (time, or gridballast if DNF).
I don't want to do any "noticing" :)
I just want it to be fully automated. I think you should be able to lift if you cut during a qualifying lap and "discard" that lap yourself, knowing that if you set a qualifying time with that lap, you'll be penalised at the end of the race.

It's not that I think people are cutting deliberately to set a qual time - my overall goal is to make the race night just stressful enough, as that's part of racing in my opinion - e.g. that added mental pressure to not cut during a qualifying hot lap. That's why I'd love to have pit lane speed limits enforced too, with a manual pit limiter. Just that little bit more to think about. Racing is all about finding the edge.
Oh, yes, sorry, automated. I forgot you like it automated ;) I am starting to think GB does not actually exist in real life and he's just one of your apps. It automatically goes 1 second per lap faster than the fastest of the humans.... to make the race night just stressful enough ;)
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on October 26, 2016, 11:14:40 PM
Damn, you're onto me and my bots...
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Freezer on October 27, 2016, 12:13:20 AM
On another topic:

Someone mentioned last night that AC was taking longer to load recently. I had noticed the same thing. So I uninstalled RSRlivetiming ( specifically assettocorsa\launcher\themes\default\modules\RSRLiveWeb ) and AC is loading as normal again. May not work for everyone but it did for me.
Just tried this and it made a big difference to navigating the menus........ thanks Gratulin.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: marty on October 27, 2016, 01:19:07 AM
But i do not understand sorry.Is the game giving you the invalid lap warning when you cut the track?Can we use it during the qual time?

PLP gives the warning but the game doesn't invalidate the lap if penalties are set to off as we have on race server. If we have in game penalties on and lap invalidation in qualy then it would also have the stupid slowdown penalties in race, so we have to go by the plp app flashing and saying lap invalid with people needing to slow to avoid that being their fastest lap.

In some cases someone may do a very slow invalid lap for example hornbag who only did one qualy lap of 3 minutes something, at that point there is no need to add any time penalty to their race. When backing off on an earlier cut lap you should ensure you go slow enough that you will easily be able to beat this on a half decent clean lap by a fair margin to avoid risking a penalty post race.

Its not that people are exploiting the rule but its a big part of qualy to get some clean track and set a clean valid lap. If there is no penalty for qualifying invalid then some may be less gentlemen about it then others. Many already do abort cut laps but some maybe didnt know they had to or simply think they have not gained so it should be valid. As PLP isnt corner specific then we just need to use the track limits as it sets them and these are fairly soft overall. If some push limits more then others it just gives them a little less margin so if they run wide or cut its just bad luck and that lap should be abandoned.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: keithsgillan on October 27, 2016, 09:34:03 PM
Thanks for the special mention Wally  :)

I've always liked Brands Hatch with its undulations and blinds corners, but never seemed to perform well here. With no practice prior to the Tuesday evening my thoughts were resigned to that of another poor performance. With the qualifying result in this was looking to be another one of those nights.

Race 1 was very much still a learning endeavour for me, lap by lap scouting out the tarmac and lines. Not much overtaking per se more so capitilising on other peoples errors saw me picking my way up the leaderboard. Then a few own goals towards the end (due to some distractions outside the immersion) dropped me back a couple of spots to finish 14th.

Race 2 on the other hand was great! I had seemed have got my eye in during R1 and I was following Bacchulum closely for a number of laps after the start. I few slip ups saw me fall away from the pack to I took the opportunity to pit. I came out circulating for a while then Nith and Mael jumped out of the pits which led to a great stoush till pretty much the end and some point along the way Seanus joined the pack. Kudos to Nith, I was a bit nervous going side by side through a few turns given the chatter around round 1, but very gentlemanly leaving racing room and if my memory serves me correctly not even a touch. Mael, great racing as well, a few elbows between us but redressed were necessary thank you. My apologies for almost turning you in turn one I did not realise we had the slightest of overlaps.

Can't wait to tidy up my race and be more consistent to see where it lands me in the placings.

See you next week.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on October 27, 2016, 10:34:19 PM
Damn, you're onto me and my bots...

When am I?
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: marty on October 27, 2016, 10:41:39 PM
Damn, you're onto me and my bots...

When am I?

Are you one of Wally's bots.   :o
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on October 27, 2016, 10:50:21 PM
Damn, you're onto me and my bots...

When am I?

Are you one of Wally's bots.   :o
Marty! Don't start the test before the time! Are you a blade runner?
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on October 28, 2016, 07:43:30 AM
0xfe4c826b Guybot activate$enable.

When he scans this with his eyeballs, he'll be even faster.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on October 28, 2016, 08:56:34 AM
I'm looking for John Connor.
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: marty on October 28, 2016, 11:04:31 AM
0xfe4c826b Guybot activate$enable.

When he scans this with his eyeballs, he'll be even faster.

Nice how you pretend its real. Its just a wally code adventure, maybe you should pass your code to Stefano for AI but then nobody will bloody keep up with them. At least the bot can then race other bots and they can have a battle without going into sleep mode mid race like when it races with us.  ;D
Title: Re: S14R3: Brands Hatch GP Post-Race Chat
Post by: nith on October 28, 2016, 02:19:17 PM
Thanks for the special mention Wally  :)

I've always liked Brands Hatch with its undulations and blinds corners, but never seemed to perform well here. With no practice prior to the Tuesday evening my thoughts were resigned to that of another poor performance. With the qualifying result in this was looking to be another one of those nights.

Race 1 was very much still a learning endeavour for me, lap by lap scouting out the tarmac and lines. Not much overtaking per se more so capitilising on other peoples errors saw me picking my way up the leaderboard. Then a few own goals towards the end (due to some distractions outside the immersion) dropped me back a couple of spots to finish 14th.

Race 2 on the other hand was great! I had seemed have got my eye in during R1 and I was following Bacchulum closely for a number of laps after the start. I few slip ups saw me fall away from the pack to I took the opportunity to pit. I came out circulating for a while then Nith and Mael jumped out of the pits which led to a great stoush till pretty much the end and some point along the way Seanus joined the pack. Kudos to Nith, I was a bit nervous going side by side through a few turns given the chatter around round 1, but very gentlemanly leaving racing room and if my memory serves me correctly not even a touch. Mael, great racing as well, a few elbows between us but redressed were necessary thank you. My apologies for almost turning you in turn one I did not realise we had the slightest of overlaps.

Can't wait to tidy up my race and be more consistent to see where it lands me in the placings.

See you next week.

Thanks Keith

I had another great night of racing. I like how no matter how fast you are in this league you can manage to find a good race between a few people.

Exactly my expectations of the series and of my real motorsport experiences in the past.

Hopefully we have some close action again in the future.

Cheers
Glenn
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